Arroyo's Deferred Money
We still don't know how much he's getting in 2011, but John Fay reports he'll be paid until 2021, suggesting it could be well under $13M. It also suggests things are more austere than they seem. Jocketty sez: "If he hadn’t [deferred the money], we’d be way, way over budget."
I can only guess that Jocketty is factoring in offers to Rhodes and Cairo here. I still see a couple million left over - even in the event of bringing both veterans back, but we won't have a clear picture until the arbitration-eligible guys settle up. Expect the Reds to wait out the market.
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This worked GREAT the first time with Griffey...
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
First thing I thought of too
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Are there even success cases for this?
It only makes this deal more palatable if it allows them do something in 2011, besides just maintain the status quo. I think it hurts them every year after. Everything Jocketty said suggests it’s only going to keep the band together.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I guess the assumption is that the Reds are going to grow into a money-making franchise.
To be fair, the few million the Reds are paying the Kid every year aren’t handicapping this team. But it seems like basically what this is is the Reds taking out a loan on Arroyo’s services, paying him interest later on. So yeah, I guess it only works right if it’ll mean the Reds are saw-toothed killers in 2011/2
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Reds are already a money-making franchise
the budget is to make sure they keep clearing a healthy profit.
I get a bad feeling about Bronson going forward. The kind of feeling when you have a hot streak at the black jack table and know you should walk away but think what the hell I will take another couple hands.
The deal really only makes sense if they now trade a Wood/Bailey for a major position piece in LF or SS. Otherwise I just dont see Bronson outperforming the Reds younger and cheaper starting pitchers.
I agree with all of this.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 8, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree with all of this
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Better plan was to add one year to his option tops
Not sure he should have been extended beyond the option year he had coming, but if we were going to do it, it should have been for one extra year only for a total value of maybe $24 mil. Hard to justify what we have now invested in a pitcher who is likely to be viewed as no better than a 4th starter by the end of the year. I am glad Bronson is here, but I wish it were for less money and years.
people said that in 2007 though
i guess since he proved me wrong once, i am more gun shy to criticize this deal.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
We also don't know how it affects his '12 and '13 salary
So it’s hard to pass to judgment. But it doesn’t seem worthwhile to pay his base salary and kick a multi-million dollar can down the road if you can’t do anything with the flexibility. And a three-year deal to a pitcher in his mid-30s isn’t really a growth investment. I’d be glad to have Arroyo for the next TWO seasons at anywhere south of $11M, but it’s possible this contract is, at the least, an annoyance for years to come.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm so glad there are smart people on this blog
who will say exactly what I’m thinking so I don’t have to, and can just reply with “this” or “I agree with this” and save me the time. Thanks KRP et al!
Also, I agree with this.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Thanks for the vote of confidence
I’m not sure I’ve been entirely consistent with what I think about the deal, but what I don’t like about it is, basically, the guaranteed third year and fact that it basically exists to get us more Arroyo. But maybe the latter won’t hold true.
As ken points out, the deferred money is probably negligible.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I've gone on record here with mixed feelings as well (since there's no delete option)
but I think the point is that the deal w/the deferred money doesn’t really make sense unless Walt does something with the flexibility it allows. I have to think he will.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Griffey's salary shouldn't be considered a part of current player salaries
Consider it overhead, or SG&A
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
We're gettin' the band back together
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
never realized how young Akroyd looked in that
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Bobby Bonilla heartily approves
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
by btcoop71 on Dec 8, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
And Albert Belle
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Steve Phillips can't here you over the screams of ectasy from fat Anthony Kiedis!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
They'll be paying Chapman until 2020 also
Ideally, Chapman would get an extension that wipes most of that out – but these two contracts could also amount to paying a non-existent 26th player $3M-$4M for the last half of this decade.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions
eh, rampant inflation will take care of that
Maybe rather than overpay for a shitty LF or SS, the Reds should buy gold and an oil field so we’ll have 2013 purchasing power.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2010 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not really seeing the rampant inflation right now
But, you’re right, it’s likely to be an annoyance rather than a hindrance.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
depends on what you consider money
Personally, I think debt should be considered money, and if you include debt, there’s not a lot of inflation. All those bad mortgages, all those credit cards written off as uncollectable, all those credit default swaps and other highly leveraged “assets” that actually worthless…that is all money that has vanished. More than offsetting QE2, 3, 4, etc.
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We're only really concerned about the latter as it amounts to an increase in the former
right? At least in a discussion about the price of MLB contracts.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mind this at all
I make no claim of having even a smidgen of competence as far as money and business go, but it seems to me that $2-3M a year is small potatoes in the grand scheme of running a ballclub.
The brass has every reason to expect the Reds to remain competitive and keep increasing the numbers of butts in the seats.
What it really means to me is they’re banking on winning and I like that.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM EST reply actions
It's not the $2-3M so much
as the $2-$3M added to the base salary of Arroyo for 3 years – all in the service of bringing back Cairo, Rhodes and Arroyo himself and calling it a day. It doesn’t seem like a great return to sink $35M into Arroyo just to hang on to a group of guys whose average age is like 37. I don’t mind these moves in isolation, but it doesn’t have the appearance of a team that’s planning well for the future.
Jocketty could be playing coy here.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
But let’s be realistic. We have a lot of good young players, all around the same age. We’re not going to be able to keep all of them, or even most of them, starting after next year.
Our window of opportunity is right now.
If Walt thinks keeping Cairo and Rhodes gives this team a better chance of winning a championship than a couple young, cheap replacements, fine.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm getting the feeling more and more
that old man Rhodes won’t be back. He seems to be in high demand, and coveted by big money teams. Sad, but I wouldn’t get in a bidding war over him, unless he’ll give us a discount, which I doubt. I guess he probably would’ve accepted arbitration had we offered, but it sure woulda been nice to get a draft pick for him….
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
not if he wanted to be in a bidding war
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I would not be surprised to see someone offer him at least $3M
Not sure if we can/should match that.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
No way we should match that
I love the BAMF as much as anyone, but he was old and busted by the end of the year.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I gotta disagree, brah...
Mr. Rhodes held the oppositiion scoreless in 26 of his final 30 games, and allowed only 2 HR in his final 20+ innings.
Sure he had plantar fasciitis, but he was tremendously effective whilst pitching through that injury and flipping the bird to Father Time.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
What got me was when he was limping back and forth to the mound
What’s he going to be like this September, a year older?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
The limping was due to the plantar faciitis.
He should be healed by now.
Besides, I’d rather have a BAMF who limped to the mound to gun you down than a long-haired sissy jogging to and from the hill with glowing locks bouncing along. Holy crap, Bronson looks like a fancy lad.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
I'm sure he had several offers for that amount
Great defensive player, walks a lot, probably will be north of the mendoza line, probably will hit 30+ dingers.
It’s a one year deal, not a huge investment.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I don't get it.
He does this: .196/.325/.407 in his age 32 season, and he is worth 10m/y?
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
He's certainly been trending downward, but I don't think he's washed up
I hope I’m wrong, though!
Stupid Cubs.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I like Carlos Pena, but good god
$10 million?!?! He was a disaster last year, and he’s not exactly young.
$10 million? Really?
GOD DAMMIT I PAID THE CAR INSURANCE AND I DON'T FUCK PROSTITUTES WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
he hit almost as well as Gomes did last season
despite a BABIP nearly 100 points lower. For the upside Pena represents, I don’t think $10 million is a crazy amount, especially for the Cubs who need a 1B, a LH, and someone with power. He’s all three.
Though as I have been saying lately, the market is kinda insane this winter, so far.
i agree with this. stupid cubs, yes. but i also don't think he's washed up.
i don’t think it’s that bad of a deal either. at age 31 he OPS’d .893 and had 39 HR. while his slashes tanked last year, he still hit 28. i wouldn’t cast him out to sea just yet.
$10 mil is a drop in the bucket for the cubs. it’s not like they’re giving him 4 years $50 million. it’s not a bad deal by any means.
he could totally blow ass (which would be great) but he could also be adrian beltre.
yeah, its not like he's Soriano or anything
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I think it's a bad deal for the Cubs
but as I was told on another thread, his BABIP was like .220 last year. Still seems like a high price to pay for a 3 true outcomes guy with a good glove (albeit at 1B).
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
ouch, yeah he's due to bounce back.
i mean, i wouldn’t want the reds to pay $10mm for a guy coming off a 1 WAR season… but that’s not a lot of money for the Cubs. he’ll probably hit a lot better (and for more power) playing in this division too. pitching isn’t as good, parks are more hitter-friendly… i don’t think it’s as bad as it seems.
this also tells me the cubs are getting serious about the 2011 offseason when they’ll have a shit ton of money to play with.
also: Reds are pretty set at 1b
and dudes who can’t play LF but will be out there anyways.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
How weird would it be to see Pujols as a Cub......
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Will Leitch would commit seppuku
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
he had a good run for a few years
but its worth remembering he wasn’t that great before, either.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Adam Dunn'd
/ducks
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Good move
The extension was essentially for 2 years and $22M because they picked up the $13M option. I wasn’t crazy about the extension but thought it was defensible. The true cost of the extension is now a bit less, though we can’t say by how much without knowing the payouts. The present value of a $1M payout in 2021 is probably between $600k and $700k depending on the interest rate.
Plus, this frees up some payroll (though I’m pretty meh on this if it’s just to re-sign Rhodes/Cairo).
That's my main problem with it
All these acrobatics and 3 guaranteed years to Arroyo (2 of them no-trade), just to add two veterans teetering on the cliff.
If it’s a $1M payout per year after the contract ends, it does look pretty good. That could mean:
2010: $8M
2011: $9M
2012: $9M
$1m/yr until 2021
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
We might not sign either Rhodes nor Cairo...
…instead using the money to land us a LF.
Also, it is noteworthy that Arroyo is still a tradeable commodity, even at these prices.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Cairo deal done: 2 years.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Luke Scott
is a birther
Should this affect his “Hot Stove League Ranking?” I’m guessing teams generally try to keep politics out of the clubhouse, but I wonder how a player like that would coexist with Dusty, who prays for Barack Obama at the Cathedral downtown.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I skimmed that article and I can state with conviction that Luke Scott is a fucking moron
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
The two first names are a dead giveaway.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
D'oh!
I take it back! I take it back!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
He's also a white, Southern gun nut that went to college in Stillwater.
Really, this should just have been assumed from the get-go.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Highlifeman?
KIDDING KIDDING.
But yeah, let’s stay away. I don’t want Luke Scott going all “Aww shit man, I just shot Marvin Janish in the face!”
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Wait, what?
I’m White, from the Midwest, and went to college multiple places.
I got dragged into this how?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
by casting aspersions on Obama's birth certificate is my guess ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
this is what i was referring to
but all in good fun. If I offended, my apologies.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I forgot I made fun of Obama's birth certificate before
b/c today I posted Luke Scott’s comments to my facebook, and then I saw you mention me
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
the reason I asked is b/c I posted Luke Scott's comments to my facebook
and then I saw UncleWeez tee me up
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
you and i are just a like!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
JUST alike
although I’m older than you, and my liver’s more abused
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
He got into a back and forth with another player
on celebrations and whether it was appropriate and approved by Zeus, Thor, Beelzebub, The Big Cheese.
I've met you, and I know you're a fucking moron
Luke Scott was just speakin’ his mind, man
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
If someone is dumb enough to imply that Barack Obama is not a US citizen, they're not speaking their mind. They're being a fucking moron, and willfully so.
Your first point stands, however.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
You have a nice house though!
but still, Luke Scott for Prez!
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahaha
Lance? Lance is awesome. He’s what I call “A fellow American.” He’s a good man.
ok, what would you call Milton Bradley?
I'll give you one guess what this Redneck calls a black man.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I'm sure that's one happy outfield.
/sarcasm’d
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
You have to be kidding me.
What a dumbass.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Richard Justice is a dubious source at best
But he said that the Astros’ clubhouse was never happier than the day Scott was traded away.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Luke Scott's car... i think its a pontiac....
Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?
by Corky's Stache on Dec 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh,
this stuff is pretty run of the mill. Luke Scott should just come have Thanksgiving dinner with my grandparents.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
by andromache on Dec 8, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Luke Scott is a smart guy.
I look at Ted Nugent and … he’s an American. He has the core beliefs of what it means to be an American in his heart. He lives by those beliefs and those principles. It’s the same beliefs that our forefathers, who fought for our country, have. I’d be real interested in meeting him one day.
That’s exactly what I feel when I look at Ted Nugent as well. I’m convinced Luke Scott is a real life version of Stephen Colbert’s character.
Ted Nugent has the same beliefs as our forefathers... he thinks:
-taxation without representation is ridiculous.
-those blimey brits are slimy bastards
-Ben Franklin’s really kind of a jerk.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Also, few people realize but the original words to the Declaration of Independence
were actually the lyrics to Wango Tango.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ted is like a male version of Sarah Palin except he's even stupider
This is the kind of stuff Ted brings to the world of art and music..creepy misogynist prick
I like to have one week a year declared “Hunt Ted Week” and we could all go into the Michigan wilderness with 65- 70 lbs bows and go ‘Ted Hunting’ …he gets a Tri-corn hat and a loin cloth.
"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
that said, I'm a huge Nugent fan
has anyone here seen him on No Reservations? Because that was kind of fantastic.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Yes I did. Bourdain didn't seem to know if he wanted to hug the Nuge or punch him.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
that was a great episode
remember when The Motor City Madman had his own reality show?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
diamondbacks want Heisey
Stephen drew please!
by jsl413 on Dec 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It does bother me that so many teams chose or switched to a red color scheme
It was ours first, dagnabbit! Get your own!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 8, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It was like the Rockies, Marlins, Devil Rays, and Diamondbacks were trying to out-90s each other with their unis
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
It would take a Baker's dozen of Heiseys to make that happen
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
It would be interesting to see a whole lineup of Heiseys.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Heisey I little silhoutte-oh of a man
by Brendanukkah on Dec 8, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
corky's stasch, corky's stasch
Can you do the fanshotdango?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 8, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no
that is against my core beliefs.
Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?
by Corky's Stache on Dec 8, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thuderbolts and lightning
Chapman’s pitching frightens ME!
as a hitter
AS A HITTER
as a hitter
fast it goes
Magnifico-o-o-o-o
He is a lanzallama, and a lefty
He’s just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare hitters from his slider – NASTY!
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
I'm aware! but who else would we want from them
Especially with a deal around Heisey. I just don’t want to see him given up for trash.
by jsl413 on Dec 8, 2010 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
One-stop shopping
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/1/1229943/arizona-diamondbacks-top-20
I can’t see us giving up Heisey unless he’s a small part of a big deal. We don’t have a lot of needs at the big league level and our farm system is in good shape.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
certainly a deal can be made there, Heisey is going nowhere with this club, 4th outfielders grow on trees.
a couple of A ball players should do the trick.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Sheesh
I thought I was the one who valued Heisey least!
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 8, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Right there with you too.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, Hesiey doesn't strikeout nearly enough to play in Arizona
After they signed Wily Mo, I figured they were going for 1500 strikeouts this year.
The D-backs do have a bunch of people going into Arb, and they will see a big payrol bump if they don’t move somene.
I’ll take Stephen Drew.
GOD DAMMIT I PAID THE CAR INSURANCE AND I DON'T FUCK PROSTITUTES WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 8, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
three team deal!
Arizona gets Chris and Station Castro
Cincinnati gets Drew
Chicago gets Edmonds
by jsl413 on Dec 8, 2010 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ever realized that according to 90% of the labels in your insect collection (due on Friday)
that your middle initial is “M” instead of “W”?
It sucks.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
That's why I take the Calvin approach
And just gather the bugs on the bus ride
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
"Look, who's giving the report? You chowderheads, or me?!"
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
why include your middle initial?
Alex Gonzalez got away with the “no middle name” story for years, even though every Tom, Dick, and Harry is named Alex Gonzalez.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
It might be easier to change your middle name...
but honestly, do you think anyone will catch that? The labels are sooo tiny…
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
I changed a bunch of them- screw the rest
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
why is he getting a two year deal?
the last time he had a season with production close to 2010 levels was 2004. He is 36 and had a had fluky year. I am pretty sure he will be a waste of a roster spot by 2012.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
from the fay
Jocketty on Cario:
"He had a very good very.
Well I guess considering his very good very, he is worth two years!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
This isn’t the first time fay has dropped the “very good very” bomb.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
It's as if he's not getting paid enough to spell correctly, so he protests.
"I love this team and I love Cincinnati." - Dusty Baker on Clinchmas Day
but he had a very good very!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I suppose I overlooked that small detail.
Any 36-year-old who has a very good very is worth 2 years. My mistake.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Do you guys believe me now about Jocketty...
too many years, too much money to mediocre vets. He’ll do it again and again.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
If you mean he'll dick over the Cardinals again and again
I’m all for it.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 8, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but the very good very
we don’t think his every move is golden.
He has made some terrible moves; extending Lincoln, signing Taveras, are the first two I can think off.
But like field managers, I have a hard time finding a GM who hasn’t made terrible moves. I think on the whole things like the Chapman signing, letting the farm system develop, and what not out weigh the bad things.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Multiple years to Cairo...
and throwing huge money at Arroyo has to rank up there. He’s really starting to rack up the bad moves. And Chapman’s deal seems pretty bloated as well – that could end up being worth $40 or $50 million at the end of the five years.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I'll take Arroyo/Chapman over Theriot/Berkman.
Just sayin’
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think even if Chapman's a "bust"
(i.e. he doesn’t develop into an Ace), he’s at least a financial neutral contract as any overpayment is made up by Butts in seats and national/worldwide attention at having the world’s fastest fireballer possibly ever. 105 MPH puts butts in seats and gets people excited to see a baseball game, because you get to say, I saw Aroldis Chapman throw 103, 104, 105 MPH.
and its not like Cairo can't be cut at his salary
like Lincoln and Taveras, it’s stupid, but not life-threatening.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Yes and he also helped bring a WS to STL and since he's been gone that franchise has
declined.
He’s completely shitty at his job. Just terrible. He should be burned as a witch.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He turned me into a newt!
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
x
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
Kill it!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Oh Cleveland.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I still contend
that Kucinich and Paul are the two most honest and principled members of the House.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 8, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, we just won the division for the first time in forever because of him.
Give him a break on a couple moves like this.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Amen...
But I think it really is a combination of Bob Castellini and Walt Jockety, because Walt couldn’t have made some of the riskier moves (Chapman signing, Rolen trade, letting Bruce and Stubbs play out of slumps) if the owner was cheap and/or a control freak.
Oh, no doubt.
An owner who’s willing to spend some money is crucial to any sports team these days.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'm just saying...
the same thing happened to us… He built us up, people started blogs with names like “God Bless Walt Jocketty” and then he committed all kinds of sins that brought us down. He was ahead of his time in the early 2000s when the rest of baseball was in the dark ages in terms of valuing players. The league has since caught and passed him in a big way.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
And where have the Cards been since he left?
They’re worst off without him.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I get people have tasted the winning this year...
And now think we should be trying to win the World Series this year, but what would you want him to do? Should they vastly overpay for Greinke, Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford, etc., and pray that they can perform up to their salary level for at least half of their contract?
Until the fans show up for a full season, the smart business move is to put together an above average team that is #1 or #2 prospect to win the division year-in and year-out. If/when the fans start selling out every important game and at least make a decent showing for the weekday games, then, you start going committing the big bucks, because you know you’re not the short-stack at the table and can afford to take some bigger risks.
Jocketty claims...
the Reds are on the razor’s edge in terms of payroll. He dedicates big money to Arroyo for 2012 and 2013 to save a little in 2011, then he goes multiple years for utility infielder who can’t play shortstop. His moves are just weird.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
you don't know if he dedicated big money for 2012 and 2013
there will be deferred money until 2021. i think the most likely scenario would be
2011: $8 mil
2012: $9 mil
2013: $9 mil
and then $1 mil a year til 2021 as someone layed out before somewhere in here. that is certainly not big money and i think its a fair deal that won’t hamstring the organization for the next three years or the many after
Where do you get this stuff from?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think Farney is asking you to attribute your "razor's edge" verbiage.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Here it is...
A good portion of Bronson Arroyo’s salary for the 2011 is deferred. Arroyo was set to make $13 million under the option that the club picked up. However, his new 3-year, $35 million contract has deferred money and will pay him all the way to 2021.
But don’t expect the Reds to go on a spending spree with the money saved.
"It helps us maintain what we have," Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. "If he hadn’t done that, we’d be way, way over budget."
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
So reducing his salary from $13M to $7M...
or whatever it is prevents the team from being “way, way over budget.” Ok, then get your utility guy tomorrow in the rule 5 draft or send out some non-guaranteed ST invites.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I just don't think $2MM for 2 years
is that much to get worked up about. Yeah, Cairo isn’t this good, but he’s versatile and he contributes. If he has a career-ending injury in ST, it’s still only $2M lost over 2 years. Whoopdeefuckingdoo
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
As much as you'd like to make fun here
The $6 million saved will likely be used in arbitration to pay OUR National League Most Valuable Player Winning First Baseman.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
How am I the first to rec this?
Is the shine off the MVP so soon?
by the finest muffins on Dec 9, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
if he doesn't hit 3 home runs on opening day he is garbage
and we should trade him for Carlos Pena.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Not only were obc and I were at the Votto 3 HR game
But I’m pretty sure we were both being paid to attend. I miss those days.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I think this says that the amount that Bronson deferred was instrumental and requisite.
But since the deferred money could be around $6MM, the “razor’s edge” phrase editorializes to some degree of exaggeration.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Remember they were saying this stuff last year
And then we signed Chapman…
Not saying that’s happening this year, but I guess my question is, what do you want Walt to do? Do you want him to go for the “big kill”? I just don’t think it makes sense long-term to overpay in this free agent market. Bob, Walt, & Dusty have brought this team out of the depths and regardless of my early apprehensions, they’ve earned my trust until they prove otherwise.
It seems to me like they have a clear vision for what they would like to do… maintain the status quo this year, make the beginning efforts of signing Votto and/or Bruce to longer term deals, and be ready to hear trade offers, but not be too desperate.
This is a nice view
I am not sure I agree with their vision, but this is about the best optimistic outlook I see.
And "way, way over budget" could change midway through the
season if the Reds are having a big year at the gate. Your assumptions are all based on the here-and-now. There’s no scope to your argument.
Hell that could change in three days. If there’s one thing that Walt has done since getting here it’s surprising the shit out of everyone.
Perhaps Bob gave him a starting line of $X. Then, perhaps, something comes up (like Greinke) and that line is pushed to $XX.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Cairo can play SS
At least as well as Slo-Cab.
His probably is that he wears out if he plays too much. Come to think of it, that’s kind of a problem with Cabrera, too.
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Whew, I don't know
I don’t think he’d be as good at SS as Cabrera even. Even if you say their range is equal, I’d have to give Cabbie the edge in instincts and in making errors as well. The thought of Cairo at SS is pretty scary.
Cairo is a stop-gap
For Rolen if/when he falls apart and if Francisco continues to provide the best ventilation in the Major Leagues.
And/or for Votto, if Votto gets “dizzy” again.
THIS
Is there anyone else to play 3B when (not if) Scotty Ballgame goes down?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
welp, Janish is rangy
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I wish I could FTFY by saying
welp, Janish is rmangy, but alas he’s no Jayson Werth
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I remember Cairo as having pretty decent range at SS
Of course, he was younger then, and I was comparing him to Jeter.
Cabrera’s range is horrible. He’s got the mobility of a brick.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And did you ever stop to think that maybe ... JUST MAYBE ... the egomaniac
managing the Birds couldn’t have been responsible for backing for some of those awful decisions?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
"The league has since caught and passed him in a big way."
Everywhere except in the standings?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Losing ...faith..in Jocketty
I wasn’t the biggest believer to begin with. Come one man – this same roster is not going to improve on the best-case-scenario season that we got last year. Too many regressions coming. Hope Bruce busts out BIG – it might be enough to offset the Rolen decline.
Is anyone going to enjoy the Arroyo contract or the Cairo contract by the time we are halfway through 2011?
We have clear needs, and he is addressing everything EXCEPT those.
Yes because there's no chance at all he doesn't have something else in mind.
None. It’s over.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Unless those plans involve trading Cairo, I'm pissed
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
They might. Nothing is out of line with that dude.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i tend to agree
i mean Cairo isn’t a huge deal, if the contract isn’t for more than $1.5M total. It could just be some small dead weight. Lets face it, I don’t think Walt expects Cairo to do anything more than he did last year, which is PH, spot start, and “play the game right”.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I'm personally pretty happy with Walt right now...
I think it’s pretty clear everyone is severely overpaying for “marquee” players. I think Walt knows that he’s got a cupboard full of prospects that will be a lot more valuable in getting us over the top in 2011 or 2012 when we’re competing for the division mid-season with a 0.5-2 year rental without hamstringing us for the next 5-10 years (see Griffey Jr., Ken and Milton, Eric) with high-risk contracts.
Also, my gut instinct is that this team is basically guaranteed to play .500 ball unless a handful of key players get season-ruining injuries and could win as many as 95 games if the younger players continue to progress.
Me too. The only thing I would've liked was to see a AAA prospect get this job.
But I also didn’t like the idea of counting on a rookie to do a 36 year old’s job.
"I love this team and I love Cincinnati." - Dusty Baker on Clinchmas Day
It sounds like from Dusty's soundbyte earlier...
…that Francisco probably will get the majority of backup starts for Rolen (approx. 30-40 if Rolen starts 100-120) so long as he doesn’t completely suck.
So, in my mind, Cairo is there to serve primarily as a PH and a stop-gap if we Votto/Rolen get hit by the injury bug so we don’t have Ramon playing 1B.
I'd like to know the difference between Eric Milton and Bronson Arroyo
as far as their respective contracts go.
Anyway, I don’t think it is too hard to imagine that Bronson ‘11-’13 looks a lot like Milton ‘04-’06.
I think there's probably some good arguments to be made against Arroyo's contract
But comparing him to Milton is not a good one.
Milton was considerably younger… started out extremely hot, cooled off, then had a “contract year” where the Reds way overpaid for him.
Arroyo’s been the definition of consistency the last 6 years and far exceeded Milton’s WAR for that “contract year”.
I would like to add
that when the Reds signed Milton, they desperately needed any competent pitching they could find. The Reds right now have a surplus of good and young and cheap pitching. At least the rationale for the Milton signing was more clear. Arroyo keeps Chapman in the pen or the minors, or keeps Leake in the pen or minors, or keeps Wood in the minors, or moves someone else to the ‘pen. We don’t need Arroyo, and I don’t think he will outpitch any of those guys, actually.
I’m down on the Arroyo signing, as you can tell. But it is only one piece of the puzzle that is taking shape.
Didn't Milton lead the league in HR allowed the year before signing his deal to pitch in GABP?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Arroyo isn't an ace...
But he’s the “stopper” for the Reds if/when we have a bad run of starting pitching from our younger pitchers. The only pitcher (besides Arroyo) that I feel relatively confident gives us a good chance to win every 5th start is Cueto. Volquez, Bailey, Wood, Leake, Chapman could all be #1/#2-type material next year, but they could also blow up and then, where are we?
Except my money is on Bronson as the one to blow up
bet 4 of those guys pitch better than Bronson next year.
I think WAR is probably the best bet for a singular stat
Despite it’s flaws.
End of the season, you have to make TLR your profile pic for the entire off-season.
you should use wins!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
ugh
I’m probably Cairo’s biggest fan here, but two years is too much. He’d probably be happy to get a big league deal of any sort. Was anyone else going to offer him two years? At his age?
He has been a solid utility guy, who somehow always manages to make his way to the big league roster even when signed to minor league deals, but I seriously doubt there were many teams clamoring to sign him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Let's wait to see what kind of money we're talking...
It sounds like Walt was really happy with his dealmanship from his comments.
Just guessing, but I’m thinking it’s about what we would have been happy paying him for one year with a ton of small performance incentives in it.
good point
Except with performance incentives, you don’t have to pay if he sucks.
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Bartlett
MLBFanHouse
Steve Phillips: Source says the Reds are in on Jason Bartlett, but that money is an issue
"I love this team and I love Cincinnati." - Dusty Baker on Clinchmas Day
Free tacos aren't as cheap as they used to be.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
a younger but just as shitty version of Ocab
ever since Felipe Lopez was traded to Washington, this organization keeps singing overrated, expensive, shitty garbage to play short.
Just fuckin let Janish play.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Hard to argue with that...
I don’t think Janish is the answer, but I definitely would like a Cozart/Janish competition this year, rather than a Janish/Bartlett competition.
exactly
yeah it is unfortunate that Janish is the best answer we have, but I would rather not waste resources on lateral moves like Bartlett.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
The good news is...
It seems like the Reds have been linked (by varying degrees of truthiness) to just about every free agent out there, so maybe this is just a ruse while we work out that 5-way trade for Hanley.
I think they're afraid Janish won't work out
Either he’ll be exposed if he plays every day, or he’ll be injured or something, and they’ll have no backup. (I would be willing to take a flyer on Negron or Cozart, but I have a feeling Walt wouldn’t be. Not with a possible WS on the line.)
Probably the best solution would be to sign a veteran guy who wouldn’t mind being the backup, not the starter, but I don’t if there’s anyone out there like that. And if there were, I’m afraid he’d become the starter if Janish hit a one week slump (or even a one game slump).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position
it would be cheaper and have better range.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
We give each other a lot of shit, but damn I lol'd
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Ronnie Cedeno?
I mean if the backup is someone willing to be relegated behind Janish…I just don’t think Dusty would play Janish at all if there were someone else on the roster who has played even 1 full season of SS at any point in the past. Dusty is going to play that other guy. It happened just this past season.
yeah
Of course, the reason Cabrera came to Cincinnati rather than going elsewhere was that they promised him he’d be the starting SS.
Probably would have happened even if they hadn’t, though.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
than and i are eagerly awaiting 500 janish ABs....
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'mall for Janish starting
but then, who’s the backup?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Don't worry about Bartlett
Padres have traded for him, according to Corey Brock at mlb.com
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Wtih Gonzalez gone, he'll probably be the best hitter in that lineup
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
You know this team is legit when they start mentioning us on ESPN.
ESPN only talks about teams if they’re good or if they’re in a big media market.
That’s part of the reason ESPN sucks, but it also makes me happy when the Reds start getting recognition from them.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
we are screwed if Kruk thinks the Reds are a lock to win the central.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Oh noez
OH NOEEZZZZZ, The Krukster always fails….
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
Kruk law
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
who plays the Brewers last?
Isn’t that the rule for the last few years?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Oh shit
Their last series is the Pirates. If the Pirates pick up OCab AND play the Brewers last, there’s no way they don’t make the playoffs.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I would consider having the Reds only get the wildcard
if this would happen. Mostly because it would make Slyde cry.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
into his mountains of dollars
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
somebody has to keep an eye on that neighbors
By the way, you would be shocked at what you find when you GIS hot girl lawn mower.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
rawr
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
As i walk around this froozen city
I long for baseball.
I miss getting excited every night about an hour before game time. Hopefully last year was just a taste of what is to come, but it was just so fuckin exciting, every night. Especially when the Reds got really hot after the August St. Louis series. Most exciting couple of weeks of Reds baseball. I was so use to the Reds folding their tents at that point not erupting. It will be one of the more memorable seasons even though it ended on a disappointing note.
I hope on opening day, Joey Votto and Scott Rolen hit back to back home runs in the 9th to win the game after Coco blows the save.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Orioles in talks for JJ Hardy for 2 Minor League pitchers...
Seems like a good buy-low opportunity where we have ample supply… does Maloney/Klinker and an A or AA player make sense?
how much of an upgrade is he over Janish?
His career slash line is .262/.328/.425.
I guess he would give the Reds depth at shortstop, and he plays decent defense. I mean I guess if the choice is having a 1-2 punch of Hardy and Janish or that piece of shit mentioned up thread and Janish, i’ll take Hardy.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Jesus
Did Jason Bartlett kill your family?
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
yes
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
when will the violence end????
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
When Jason Bartlett is killed by the brotherhood of assassins known as something or other.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
after christmas
i just recieved a letter from him threatening me.
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
The Romans killed Jesus, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't read RR after some of the objects Mads has placed him on over the years
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
hubcup, crutch,
because of madville i started saying christ on a hubcap and people around me thought i was weird.
I was perfectly normal before I had ever encountered madville.
Can i say i encountered him, considering we have never actually met?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
... Holy crud.
I just realized that I’ve been saying that too…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
thirded
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
you don't encounter Mads
Mads encounters you
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hey KRP.
I brought this up a long time ago and never got an answer. Any thoughts as to why the logo for our beloved blog is an asian George Michael?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Come on, you know how many of us have been caught making self love in public bathrooms.
Oh, and are Asian.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you have to bring Madville into this?
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
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by Highlifeman21 on Dec 9, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not by the authorities at least ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 9, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Who is hotter?
Joey Votto or Sidney Crosby?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
ur mom
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
i mean she isn't bad for pushing 60
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I said?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Have to admit: it would be Crosby if his smile weren't so goddamn creepy.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
No, this face gives me the willies.
And by “willies” I mean Willy Taveras and Wily Mo Pena, so you know it’s not a good thing.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
I had this Christmas idea for myself
but I’m not sure if it’s dumb or not. Help me out, folks. Is a Team Canada hockey sweater with “Votto 19” on the back really stupid or really killa sweet?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Our boy's a basketball fan
He doesn’t like hockey.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Team Canada so I'm again' it!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 10, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Really stupid
b/c Canada is really stupid.
Joey Votto is awesome, however Canada is really stupid
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if you think it's stupid
then it must be cool as hell. I think I’m gonna do it!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Impeccable, inscrutable
Tomato, tomato.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 11, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
serious question
I’m trying to find an EPL jersey for a buddy for his birthday, and I’m not sure what to really look for in terms of authentic vs. replica (do they do futbol jerseys like that?)
Any suggestions?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 11, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
worldsoccershop.com
is American (so you don’t get hosed on shipping) and well-labled as to whats authentic, what’s replica.
Authentic’ll be expensive of course, but its better than trying your luck on the e-bays
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Replica is usually just as good as authentic, too
It might be missing a patch or two, but that’s generally about it.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 12, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
ty sir
good to know, b/c I never would have known that
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
ty sir
tryin’ to find a Henry Arsenal jersey
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 12, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
At least it's not a Henry Red Bulls jersey
Also check out www.whoareyadesigns.com. They don’t have jerseys, but they do have some cool shirts.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 12, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Dude's two favorite players are Henry and Pires from Arsenal
so far I’ve been outbid on 3 jerseys on eBay….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 13, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps I'm reading too much into this
but would the Reds really have been way, way over budget if they hadn’t restructured Arroyo’s contract for this season? I remember most of the figures people coming up being anywhere from slightly below to slightly above and that included the slight raise in budget and increase in salaries due to arb and resigning Cairo and Rhodes. So why would they be way, way over as Jocketty said? Perhaps a FA signing or trade is on the horizon? Or maybe not
Jocketty is mental
but we love him, so thats all that matters. Just sit back, and relax. Enjoy our amazing farm system and our future.
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
Well looky what Boston just got ...
Boston has agreed to a seven-year, $142MM deal with Carl Crawford, according to Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe
source: MLBTradeRumors
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions
At least he's not a Yankee
Lesser of two evils, though.
So I guess this means Cliff Lee is going to the Yankees. I’ll guess 6 years, $150 million
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 8, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
still could go to Texas
they seem serious about it
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
They aren't fuckin' around, are they?
Him and Gonzalez had 13 WAR last year
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
I guess
they don’t want to be fighting the Jays for the third place again next year.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
For those wondering, here's the MLBTR link that keeps getting info added to it about every 3 minutes
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best place for Cairo
… is on one of Joe Torre’s recent teams. Lots of big name starters making lots of money playing 150+ games at their positions. Cairo sits next to Joe on the bench serving more as a coach than a player. I don’t know what is funnier, the thoughts above on Cairo’s range and playing SS, or Dusty putting him into the 4 or 5 hole 40 or 50 times next year with the expectation that he will repeat his successful 2010 campaign.
Give him credit, he had a nice year, but how many more years should we pay him for it? We’ll probably be looking at something like .240/.290/.350 from a 37 year old mascarading as our primary back up at 1B/3B with a bunch of PH AB’s. Is that the kind of line we want from a guy playing these postions? And two years?
THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
- The problem with Griffey’s contract wasn’t that there was a bunch of deferred money; it’s that in Seattle he averaged 608 PA/yr, had an OPS+ of 149, and won 10 straight Gold Gloves, while in Cinci he averaged 450 PA/yr with an OPS+ of 121 and became an embarassment in the outfield, all mostly because he was constantly injured. If he’d played anywhere near what or as often as expected, no one would be bitching.
- As such, there’s no reason to think Arroyo’s deferred money will be a bad investment; if Arroyo pitches like he has the past 5 years, no one (including Bob’s bean counters) will care.
- Cairo is getting $2M over 2 years – big whoop. That should be an amount of money that the Reds can easily bury if he completely stinks up the place.
I’ll be shocked if Jockety’s done. I think he’s saving money where he can now because he knows there’s a piece out there he can get, but he’ll need a bit more cash than he currently has to get it. I can’t imagine he thinks this team, as constructed, looks like an improvement over last year.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
is your sig line a butthole surfers reference?
i love electriclarryland
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
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