Winter Meetings: Want/Have
Despite the nihilism (or is it crafty gamesmanship?) of the front office, we know the Reds are at least pretending at pursuing a Leadoffman - or, failing that, a coxswain. The player in question will have to man LF or SS, since those are really the only openings in the starting lineup at present (It would be weird - and so Walt - if it ended up being a pitcher.) So here's a quick and dirty inventory as the Reds shape their Opening Day 2011 roster. Or maybe they're using some kind of new age educational approach and just, like, letting it shape itself.
From a payroll perspective, last year's Opening Day outlay (major league salaries plus pro-rated bonuses) was $76M. By my count, the Reds are at around that figure currently (by including estimated arbitration raises). The amount committed could come down based on trades, contract extensions or more details on Arroyo's deferred salary (I've got him down tentatively for $11.5M). So if the payroll is raised to $80M, or a bit above, they've got roughly $5M to spend. That puts a distinct limit on what moves can be made, though I think it provides room for several interesting trade scenarios.
Looking at the 25-man roster, I see about as many as 6 spots that are "open" (that is, not a lock to be occupied by someone currently under contract to the Reds):
- 1 OF (Assuming Chris Heisey stays on as 4th OF)
- 2 IF (Miguel Cairo is likely to take one of these spots)
- 3 spots in the 'pen (Highly likely to be filled internally, with Rhodes, Chapman or Willis taking at least one of the lefty spots; I've got Cordero, Masset, Bray and Ondrusek down as locks)
We don't know exactly who will be in the starting rotation, but unless there's a trade, it's a lock to be comprised of arms already in the organization. All of these openings could be filled internally, for league minimum. But if they want to venture outside the cocoon, here's a list of players in whom the Reds figure to be interested - based on a garbled John Fay tweet and some napkin scrawling - and who they could be willing to deal:
Want:
Zach Greinke
Curtis Granderson - no indication yet that he's available
Josh Willingham - doesn't fit their leadoff mold, but would be a significant upgrade in LF
Scott Podsednik - Still "stealing" myself against this one, though there are plenty of reasons why it wouldn't happen
J.J. Hardy - No interest has been indicated in a SS; Both Hardy and Bartlett are not overwhelmingly clear upgrades over Janish
Have:
Juan Francisco - Continues to display nino-destructing power, but I think his biggest perceived liability is lack of position, rather than free-swinging. Would an AL team be interested?
Yonder Alonso - Smart money says he stays at least one more season.
Francisco Cordero - Could be moved as a strict salary dump to enable a trade/signing, but I still don't see it.
Chris Heisey
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Scott Podsednik

"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson
Are they.....
Jack Brussel Terriers?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, Brussels Griffons
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
/throws rotten fruit
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
His dogs love rotten fruit
They’re Rottenweilers.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Swing and a miss
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
*Swine and a miss.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
/throws rotten vegetables
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
My golden retrieved them.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
And who doesn't love brocolli?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
People who grow broccoli.
And other people, too.
by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
black people
oh wait, it’s the other way around
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
because black people voted for Bush in droves!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
pork!
it’s the other white meat!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I hate brocolli.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
what about broccoli?
Do you like that?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
No. Fuck it too.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
what about e. coli?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Meh.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
but it's Italian
Like Joey Votto!
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So was Mussolini ...
LET’S DRAG JOEY’S CADAVER THROUGH THE STREETS!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
And kick him about the cranium.
The day after the execution, the bodies of Mussolini and his mistress were found hung upside down on meat hooks in Piazzale Loreto (Milan), along with those of 15 other fascists, to show the population that the dictator was dead. The corpse of the deposed leader became subject to ridicule and abuse by many. His body was then taken down and the crowd was allowed to kick his corpse. Many chose to kick him in the head…

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
I'm down as long as JCH brings the beer ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/throws rotten dictator
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Mussolini made the trains run on time!
What did Joey Votto ever do?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
could Mussolini hit .300 in the show?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
If I make a player named Mussolini in MLB The Show, he will
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for that.
I didn’t want to be the spellcheck bitch, but it was starting to drive my crazy.
by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
there is always one.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
FTFY
Their is all ways won.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
but Eugene Levy dog is somewhat interested:

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know we've been over this, but I need to double check:
Does that $76 million amount count on Arroyo’s deferred money? Because apparently there is a fair bit of it that is deferred.
Fay is supposedly checking on how much Bronson gets paid this year, but it could mean a fair bit of savings.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I've got him down for $11.5M
Maybe his contract knocks him down another million or two.
I’m ballparking it, but I think $5M in spending power is a reasonable estimate.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, prob. But Fay says there's a chance he could be making as little as $8 mil this season
And, given the nature of this year’s FAs, etc., there’s a big difference between 5 mil and 8 mil in salary space.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I got the impression that he was getting about 8.5 mil this year.
Of course, I also got the impression that Fay’s tweet was in pig latin, so who knows.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
x

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
If that's the case
then I’m kinda impressed. I guess I should check, twitter is it?, more often.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
itter tway, I think.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I see in his latest post that all he knows is it's less than $13M
I’d be surprised if it was less than $10M, but if the Reds are working with $8M, that’s nothing to sneeze at – though $4M could go to Cairo and Rhodes.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember who I heard it from (maybe Erardi)
But I heard at Redsfest that he’d make $8.5M next year.
Follow on Twitter: @redreporter. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
by Slyde on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If they have around $8M
I’m not sure I’d give 1/3 or 1/2 of it to Cairo and Rhodes, especially if they’re considering putting Chapman in the bullpen.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. 8 mil can get you a real player
Like, get the Royals to send 5 mil over with Greinke. Or the Mets to send 3 mil over with Reyes. Or Willingham. Or Ellsbury (easily).
8 million leaves a ton of possibilities. It’d be a shame if that’s the case, but that number drops to 5 because of signing Cairo and Rhodes.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
There's no reason to give Cairo $1M
if it precludes a deal. Rhodes, Bray and Chapman could all occupy the same ’pen, but the Willis signing makes throwing $3-4M at Rhodes a little less necessary.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
or more necessary....
We have no Idea what we have in Willis.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 7, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
O rly?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors
says the Reds will have to outbid the Red Sox and Phillies if they want Rhodes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
no wonder Dusty wants Chapman in the 'pen.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I say stay away
as much as I’m all for some rhodes, that is not a bidding war I’m interested in.
although if it means chapman to the pen if they dont get him, then I’d say its worth it.
the Reds do need some left handed relief pitching
Right now it seems that the depth chart is:
Bray, DRH, Vallquette, and Willis.
Unless there are some people who aren’t on the 40 man I don’t know about or forgot.
I guess Maloney could be a left handed reliever. I know he made his first few relief appearances this year, I honestly can’t remember if he was effective or not, but the sample size was too small to fairly judge his ability as a relief pitcher.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
did Cincinnati lose Jukich?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't it Korea?
“Seoul Sucker” and all that?
by Brendanukkah on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Scratch that. 'Twas Korea.
Obligatory “that’s racist” or maybe “nobody reads fanshots.”
by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I hope it was South Korea ...

Just sayin’
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
That pic
was my facebook profile shot for a while. A better snap has yet to grace my eyes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
It's gorgeous. Fitting of only Dear Leader.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
any chance Walt takes a flier on Johnny Damon if his price falls enough? Dude’s not dead yet, and I can think of a lot of worse ideas than having him platoon in left with Gomes.
The Reds could think up so many “Johnny & Johnny” marketing campaigns…
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions
I could see Walt going after him
But Damon’s always seemed a bit of a fame whore to me. Not sure he’d want to come to Cincy unless no one else is offering.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
he went to Detroit
and turned down Boston when they tried to trade for him.
Johnny Damon is by all accounts a great guy. I admit, I was prepared to hate him, because he was a Red Sock, and because he took Bubba Crosby’s spot in the lineup and even his jersey number. But he won me over, and everyone from the t-shirt vendors and groundskeepers to Yankee brass ended up loving him.
However, I really think he’s reached the DH stage of his career. His arm is terrible, his legs aren’t so great, either. And he can’t stay healthy when he plays the OF.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, if we end up with Damon in some strange turn of events, I think some apologizing to the VEB about Berkman would be in order
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least Damon has played outfield in the past year though
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Did people troll over there when they signed Berkman?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
No, but you know those guys will be back if it were to happen
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
they can suck my dick
-Lou Pinella
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That's a rec
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I don't understand why this is Alonso's last option year
Is it because he was put on the 40-man when he signed?
He only has a few months of MLB service time.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions
it's not his last year
But yes, the clock is ticking because he signed a big league contract. Every spring training, when he didn’t make the active roster, an option was burned when he was assigned to the minors.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
GOD I hate when they do that
it doesn’t even seem like it helps the prospects that much, it’s just kinda a status symbol. If I were a player or agent, I’d just ask for more guaranteed $$ and forgo the ML deal. Also, I’m not a player or agent.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I hate it, too
It’s a waste of a roster spot. I suppose it helps the player, in that he can’t be kept in the minors as long, but it sucks for the team.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
but in the case of Alonso
he is totally blocked at the ML level. So now the team is scrambling to figure out what to do with him. I’m worried that down the line the same thing will happen with Grandal and Mesoraco (which would be a good problem to have, mind you). In this case, at least, it seems to be hurting Yonder’s development a little bit, especially since he missed time with an injury.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
yeah
But he would probably rather be traded to a team who would play him in the big leagues, or be used as a bench player by the Reds, than spend more years in the minors.
It may well hurt his development, but players always think they’re ready, and don’t need more development.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
They're not really scrambling. They have until 2013 to keep him on the roster.
The bigger issue is he’s pretty much MLB ready, and there’s not much reason to leave him in AAA.
Agreed, though, that MLB contracts are the suck. But it’s not just a status symbol for the player. Players get paid MLB money their entire time in the minors, which is a huge difference.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
i think it can hurt the player too
look at Willy Mo Pena. He was dead weight on an MLB roster for 2 years because of his contract. The Reds didn’t want to DFA him because they would lose him on the waiver wire, but yet they didn’t want to play him, I argue that spending time on the MLB bench rather than refining his skills in AA or AAA hurt his development.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Well, yeah. The idea is you only give one to players who are already very developed and polished
which decidedly did NOT apply to WMP.
That was a Bowden special, right there.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
actually that was a Yankee special
Bowden was dumb enough to trade for him.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
March 21, 2001: Traded by the New York Yankees to the Cincinnati Reds for Michael Coleman and Drew Henson.
Post-trade:
Wily Mo Pena 1.7 bref WAR
Drew Henson -0.1 bref WAR
Michael Coleman -0.5 bref WAR
Good trade by leatherpants
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Was Drew Henson the one who played football at Michigan?
If so, he was also in that recent non-conversation I had about where Adam Dunn played college football.
by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
He was supposed to be Tom Brady’s backup, but ended up playing more than Brady.
He’s only 30 years old. I bet he never imagined his career in sports would be over by now.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I saw him play with the Clippers.
He was batting .067 (or something close to that)
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
He's in Columbus? That sucks
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
This was a few years ago
probably 03 or 04
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
must have been
when Henson was a Yankee, and the Clippers were the Yanks’ AAA team.
Did you see Neon Deion in Columbus? (Another Yankee/Cowboy.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I wish
Coolest thing I ever saw at a Clippers game was someone hitting for the cycle (I forget who)
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
I saw Michael Tucker in Columbus in 2006 playing
for the Norfolk Tides.
Dude was still rocking the long-sleeve undershirt.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Michael Tucker is the most 2002 player in the world
along with Jeff Hammonds and Preston Wilson
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Pops is not a fan of Arroyo
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
WMP is living large these days, bro.
He’s in the D-Backs minor league system.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I think you should include the Nasty Hook in this as well.
Not only did Wily Mo Pena include a positive WAR over Henson and Coleman, but the Reds were able to flip him for Arroyo in a hugely lopsided trade for the Red Stockings over the Red Socks.
6-2, 185
Yeah. So there. In your face, elbow patches! :P
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Except it didn't.
There was a false perception at that time being propaganda’d by Marty, Hal, and Bob Boone that Wily Mo was causing the Reds to lose because he was on the roster. It was bullshit fanned by lazy local and national media. Wily Mo wasn’t getting the chance to play in the majors. Boone kept him on the bench in favor of established garbage. The only opportunities Pena got were after sitting for several days, pinch hitting in the ninth inning of the other team’s closer. He was thrown under the bus. But when he eventually did begin starting he magically played well.
So don’t say he wasn’t ready.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well he made it to the big leagues in 2002 as a September call up
in 2001 in Dayton (low a ball), Pena put up a slash line off .264/.327/.485. In 2002 at AA he put up a slash line of .255/.330/.405. So in his last full minor league season he put up an OPS of .735.
In 2003 his MLB slash line was .218/.283/.358. None of those numbers are confidence inspiring.
Even after he got regular playing time starting in 2004 he struggles to keep his OBP above .300.
I think he would have benefited from more time in the minors. He was out of options by the time he was 21. Yeah he had 2 serviceable seasons, but he never really did much with his talent.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
What I was so angry about back then is that his development was ruined by being forced to the bench and not given regular at bats.
You can’t do that to someone and expect him to instantly turn the switch on. They should have played him. The didn’t. And then they blamed him.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was more complicated than what you are claiming.
But then again on the depth chart the Reds had Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, Guillen, and Pena. Griffey missed some time early in the year, which allowed Guillen to play, and he put up monster stats, when he was traded to Oakland at the deadline he had an OPS over 1.000.
So when Griffey went down in April, the Reds had an outfield still of Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen, where does Pena fit?
Austin Kearns last game was was July 8th, Griffey’s was July 17th. Wily Mo Pena went on the DL with a strained hamstring on July 5th, and he returned on July 30th, with a little less than 3 weeks of rehab. Prior to Pena’s injury he had 35 at bats. He played 14 games in AAA and OPS’d over 1.000 on AAA pitching.
When Pena returned to the big leagues on July 31st, Boone and Bowden were gone. Griffey and Kearns were out for the year and Guillen was an Athletic. Pena played in 45 of the remaining 54 games, he put up a pedestrian slash line of .254/.326/.752 over 145 PA’s.
So what happened was for the first half of the season Pena was 5th on the depth chart behind Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen. I can’t really consider any of those players in 2003 established garbage, Griffey was the only veteran, Kearns was just a second year player, and Dunn was a 3rd year player. Guillen was hardly established and he had a monster year.
During Boone and Bowden’s time at the helm in 2003 where does Pena fit? Also keep in mind that as late as July 2nd, 2003 the Reds were 2 games under .500 and were 2.5 games out of first. Bowden and Boone were in hot water and needed to stay in contention to save their jobs, they weren’t about to replace Griffey, Kearns, Dunn, or Guillen with a project for the future.
The problem was simply that Pena needed more minor league at bats. He was up in the big leagues and out of options by 2003, when he 21 years old, and just his 5th professional season. Further prior to 2003 he had only 454 plate appearances above A ball.
I don’t really see a major problem in how the Reds treated Pena in 2003.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
furthermore
there was 24 starts given to outfielders not named, Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, or Guillen between opening day and July 4th, when Pena strained his hamstring.
11 went to Reggie Taylor, 11 went to Ruben Mateo, and 2 went to Pena. (This was all done by checking the number of starts given to every outfielder on the Reds between March 31 and July 4th, using the game log feature of baseball reference. Freel may have gotten a few outfield starts, given that he was an infield/outfield utility man, but I don’t really want to go through every game Freel started prior to July 4th to see if he played in the outfield).
So there were 24 starts for 3 players, even if Pena had received 8 starts, I don’t think that would have made that much of a difference. You also have to keep in mind that Taylor and Mateo more than likely played much better defense than Wily Mo.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's just it though
During the time he wasn’t playing, he was getting blamed for sandbagging the team because of his contract. And he still is.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't remember him being blamed
as much as I remember the media talking about the Reds trying to make the best out of an unfortunate contract situation. Pena was signed as a 17 year old out of the Dominican, I assume he had an agent who was trying to get Pena the most money. A guaranteed MLB contract provided Pena with league minimum salary on top of whatever signing bonus he received. I assume that being 17 and from the Dominican Pena had no way of really understanding the potential negative consequences of a major league contract.
There was nothing the Reds or Pena could do to change the situation in 2003, Pena’s options were gone, and he was the 4th, 5th, or 6th best active outfielder on a major league roster that usually for most of the first half of the season had 3 or 4 good outfielders on it already.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Pena was roasted daily
for being terrible. With more playing time in the majors at that level, he would have been fine. I hate to say it, but the media does not treat latin ball players who don’t speak english well very, uh, well unless they walk around with a giant smile.
I’m in a dead zone on the train, so I apologize if this posts twice.
by Brian B on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure how Pena would have turned out had he played regularly for the Reds
However, you’re correct that the media does not favor non-White players who do not speak English well
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dunn was the token
citation to whomever originally said that on RR.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
The outfield was a revolving door that year, as Griffey and Kearns barely played.
And Guillen was dealt, as you mentioned. So it wasn’t a matter of moving him ahead of those guys on the depth chart. Reggie Taylor was playing OF, as were Branyan, and Ruben Mateo. Pena needed more at bats period, minors or majors. Instead they let him rot.
Also, Pena’s injury was not real. They used it as an excuse to send him down.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think you ignored something
The outfield was not a true revolving door until Kearns and Griffey were both hurt at the same time, which did not happen until July 17th.
Prior to July 17th at least 3 out of Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen were available to play. So again please tell me where Pena fit in.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think trying to assign fault re: playing time decisions by the manager is missing the larger point...
…that Pena being in a logjam when he needed AB’s is the real problem here. Maybe the contract was bad for his development, but he had that contract when the Reds traded for him. So it was the Reds’ responsibility to get him those AB’s, and they didn’t – because Leatherpants collected outfielders like baseball cards instead of bolstering the pitching staff with his budget and resources. Trading for Pena as a commodity was a good idea, and worked out well for the Reds in the end. But some of that was at the expense of Pena’s career development. And that was a choice made by Leatherpants when he acquired a player who didn’t have any options and put him on a roster where he wouldn’t get any playing time REGARDLESS of who was manager.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
that is completely reasonable
I always thought it was a shame that Pena didn’t go to some place like Pittsburgh or Kansas City, where he would have been almost guaranteed playing time.
I have no idea what made Bowden think, despite having a glut of young talented big league ready outfielders and Ken Griffey Jr, that he needed Wily Mo Pena.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Too good a price to pass up, methinks...
I would have jumped on that trade, and as I recall Henson was being a dickcheese and spouting that he would give up baseball if he wasn’t a Yankee or some horseshit that smelled similar to that…but it was unreasonable not to showcase him and then flip him (or other players INSTEAD of him) for pitching/prospects.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I barely even remember Hanson
2002 was really the first season I followed critically. I mean I had followed the Reds and understood baseball since 1995, but 2002 was the first season I really watched every game, tracked the roster, and what not.
The only thing I remember about Hanson was he was booed in Columbus.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
i rec'd this for the term "dickcheese"
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
He should reconstruct his contract!
Like we always used to beg of Wily Mo Pena
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
as we
discussed yesterday, this isn’t Alonso’s last option year. He has two more left.
And while Granderson is probably available for the right price, the Yankees don’t seem to be actively shopping him. The NY media is reporting that the Yanks are worried about outfield depth, and are actually looking to add another OFer, not get rid of one.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I suppose I should have looked for an answer to my question yesterday
Instead of asking it again today.
Thanks for the info.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
it's super confusing
I’m glad you brought it up again, as I was still slightly unsure of what the deal was. Also, yesterday there was a lot of tl;dr stuff
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Complicated
I didn’t know about that “rare fourth option year.” My innocence is lost.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
same here
I had never heard of that.
Every time I think I’m starting to understand baseball transactions, I’m proved wrong.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
indeed

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
kill it
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
am I the only one who doesn't get why he gets so much hate?
He’s just an Avett Brother who can smack the ball around the yard.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Just funnin
I don’t like the way he wears his beard; too angry.
"When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it." - Bob Bratkowski
Yeah but he's most like Scott Avett who is, like, totally, my least favorite Avette brother, like, you know.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
I figured if they added Crawford, Granderson might be available
But are they even in on Crawford?
Granderson seems like a pretty good to me – he’s fits the leadoff type, could be within their budget window and wouldn’t require the farm to get. And he pairs up well with Gomes.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Gardner, honestly
unless the Yanks kicked in a ton of $$ for Curtis
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Gardner seems like he'd be even less available
though I’d welcome Bubba’s input. And his bat doesn’t play that well in left. He’d be a really nice player to add – and cheap – but that’s exactly why he’d be off limits.
Pairing Granderson and Gomes would give you better offensive output. They’d have to pick up some salary – say $5M to make his contract more like $6/7M per year – and I don’t think it’s likely for that reason alone. But his stock is low and his platoon splits make him more valuable to the Reds than the Yanks (that, and the fact that the Reds are in the NL Central).
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, platooning Granderson with Gomes would be a nice LF situation
Granderson is the snacks against righties, and would play a mean LF defense.
On the days he’s in (about 70% of the time), that would be a sick defensive OF.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
The big hang-up
aside from the Yanks not wanting to trade him, would be the money. But when the next step down is Scott Podsednik, you’d have to try to figure a way to swing this kind of deal.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think with the power Stubbs has in CF
we could afford a high avg/obp/speed no power guy in left. But I do think you’re right about him being less available than Granderson, assuming the Yanks sign Crawford
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
With Granderson going 70% of the time against lefties
You’d get those skills (though Granderson’s speed translates to less SBs and more legging out doubles and triples) plus a lot more power. I think their defense would run roughly even in LF.
Gardner’s the better value for sure, but you’re buying marginal wins to stay ahead of the Cardinals.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I owe you $7,000,000
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
OK, so count me in for $20 towards Cliff Lee then
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I haven't heard anything about Crawford
though MLB Trade Rumors think the Yankees are the only ones who can afford him. Currently, the Yankees have only three OFers: Granderson, Gardner, and Swisher. The rest are youngsters who likely won’t stick in the big leagues, at least not with the Yankees. Kearns, Thames, and Berkman are gone. I think they’re likely to keep Grandy, even if they get Crawford.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Of the have's:
Juan Francisco – Roberto Petagine and D.T. Cromer got together and had a baby. They raised him in the D.R. and gave him a fun nickname. He’ll be great in Japan.
Yonder Alonso – As confidence in the dollar sinks globally, consumers have begun to seek out the age old monetary unit: gold. The theory goes that since our money is only backed by consumer confidence (make-believe and play-pretend) then people seek out something they know has tangible value. Something they can hold in their hands. So, gold reasserts itself as a global monetary unit and returns nations to pre-Nixonian style currency backing. Therfore, I see Yonder Alonso, Juan Francisco, Homer Bailey, and Matt Maloney as the dollar and Zach Greinke as gold. I hope Walt returns us to the gold standard.
Homer Bailey: See Alonso, Yonder….Sorry Hoss, I was always in your corner, but once you’re gone I can feel free to loathe your Redneck ass. Arrow tattoo, indeed.
Travis Wood: In the rotation.
Mike Leake: He would be in my rotation. Why? Fuck Bronson Arroyo and the contract he rode in on. That’s why.
Francisco Cordero – Remember that barge full of hot garbage that was floating around outside of harbor between New York and New Jersey in the late ‘80s. Nobody would let the damned thing dock because nobody wanted the garbage and there was no place to put it. Yeah, Cordero’s that.
Chris Heisey- 4th outfielder at best. But, like him better than a guy like Nix, for sure.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Pops, you may well be the gold of the RR commentors.
Oil, at the least.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent.
The one about Alonso is top shelf.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Nix>Heisey
Truthiness.
"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
by Madville on Dec 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why gold, though?
I get it that paper money is a sham. But you can’t eat gold. You can’t throw it over you and keep warm. It does make for some nice non-corroding electrical contacts, but I don’t think that’s real high on most people’s wish lists.
In my future dystopia world, a bunch of people hoard gold for the post-apocalypse, then everyone decides gold is pretty stupid anyway, and it’s the guys with a couple of cans of Dinty Moore and a Danny Ray Herrera jersey that have to defend the homestead with the last ammunition in the state.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Due to golds low melting point....
In Dystopia, gold may be the only metal you can manage to craft into item.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Gold is also the most malleable and ductile of all known metals.
A single ounce of gold can be beaten into a sheet measuring roughly 5 meters on a side. Thin sheets of gold, known as gold leaf, can be as thin as 0.000127 millimeters, or about 400 times thinner than a human hair. Gold is a good conductor of heat and electricity and can be used to make electrical connectors. It has been estimated that all of the gold that has currently been refined could be placed in a cube measuring 20 meters on a side…and would fit in the space beneath the Eiffel Tower.
It’s in France, you know.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Here's a nice article
It explains why gold was the only choice.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
did you read that Wikileak cable
where Ramzan Kadyrov gave a Daghestani couple a 6-pound block of gold as a wedding present?
Because that was pretty cool.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Re: LF
I’ve been so excited about what we could get in return for Alonso for so long that I never really considered the possibility of his being on the team in ’11.
Walt has mentioned playing him in LF, even though it seemed last year that the experiment had ended unsuccessfully.
The fact that they’re considering it suggests he must not be that terrible. Perhaps we already have the answer to our LF problem.
It doesn’t help the top of the order, but the thought of Alonso and Joey in the lineup at the same time it titillating.
by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions
agreed
except for the fact that all reports seem to say that Alonso is truly, truly atrocious in left. Sure hope I’m wrong, but for now, it worries me.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
i cant imagine him being that much worse than Gomes
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be fine with it
until that first horribly misplayed ball drops. But, I guess if you can’t get anything significant for Alonzo now, you have to drive up his value or use him somehow.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
I've been fine with this idea all year
It should have happened as soon as yonder started raking. He could rip righties up and leave Jonny to hit poorly as a pinch hitter.
by jsl413 on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or Dunn for that matter
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
But see, I think he might be. I think his arm is weaker than Gomes, and he's easily slower than both Gomes Dunn
Plus, he’s played a total of fewer than 20 games out there in his career, so it’s not like he’s going to have great instincts either.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I mean, having said all that, I'd be willing to give it a try, as a plan D
Plans A-C being a trade or FA signing.
As long as we don’t move on to plan E, which is Gomes being the everyday LFer.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I don't know, really. I'd kind of forgotten about him, since he doesn't seem to be in the starting plans
I’d rather see him platoon with someone, but I think the Gomes re-sign effectively ruled that out.
I’d also rather see him be the everyday player than Gomes. He may not hit much better, but he’d definitely play better defense.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I feel the same as you
I think Heisey is going to have to play his way onto the field. Which isn’t the worst problem to have, I suppose. I’d put him as D(1)
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
The first ball off the wall/into the corner could be hilarious to watch though
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
yeah, it'd be entertaining for sure.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I imagine it being something like....
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I think Dunn would have helped this team more than Arroyo at about the same cost.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Too late ...
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Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait for when he introduces himself to Ozzie
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I imagine a "guys from King of the Hill meet Kahn for the first time" scenario
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
that's a pretty sweet shirt, tie, jacket combo
I just can’t bring myself to buy a Dunn White Sox jersey though….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Cincinnati still has Willy Bloomquist
they don’t need to worry about left field.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
For those scoring with us at home, Bloomquist is a FA.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
Maybe if everyone on RR throws in some money we can get enough together to get Cliff Lee.
Worth a shot, right?
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'll throw in $20.
Slyde, with his massive book sales, could probably swing a couple million.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I've got $3.50
Plus, a half a bag of ballpark peanuts and a Paul Janish autographed baseball card valued at ten cents plus whatever the autograph is worth??
Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?
by Corky's Stache on Dec 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the Nats want him now.
And we all know how they’ve gotten with spending…
Step up, RR! We have to outbid the Yankees and Nats.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
Of the wants:
Justin Upton: I would tongue Pauly Shore’s naughty parts for this one.
Jose Reyes: You know that girl who you always thought was really, really fine, but hooked up with a real dirtbag that you heard made her to do all kinds of vile shit in bed. And your thoughts ran to: “I can’t believe she lets that filthy fucking asshole fuck her. She ruined.”……That’s how I feel about Reyes.
Zach Greinke: See Yonder Alsonso entry from “Haves”
Matt Kemp: Just too many kids with too many women. He could have been one of the best ever if he could hit a jumpshot outside of 6 feet. He did have some monster dunks though. I always thought he looked equal parts pot-head, mugger and retard.
Stephen Drew- In the spirit of Stephen Baldwin, Frank Stallone and Roger Clinton, I say thanks but, nah.
Curtis Granderson – I heard J.Crew is set to launch a line of clothing bearing his name. It’s lots of plaids and wool blends. Looks just like the Shin-Soo Choo stuff at Banana Republic, but not quite as well made or sturdy.
Josh Willingham – Meh.
Brandon Webb – Ruined shoulder meet poking stick. Poking stick meet ruined shoulder.
Scott Podsednik – At this point he’s become a poor man’s Scott Podsednik.
J.J. Hardy – He hasn’t been the same since that knife wound he took in South Milwaukee. A sad story really.
Jeremy Hermida- Used to be you could just take a hard-core anti-biotic, but this one’s built up a resistance to it.
Jason Bartlett- I got nothing.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions 15 recs
This needs to be made into a feature
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
I take offense to the next to last one, but I'll rec anyway
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Pops, did i say gold?
Ft. fucking Knox man.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're a son of a bitch, you know that?
She bought her first new car and You hit her with a drunk driver. What? Was that supposed to be funny? “You can’t conceive, nor can I, the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God,” says Graham Greene. I don’t know whose ass he was kissing there, ‘cause I think You’re just vindictive. What was Josh Lyman – a warning shot? That was my son. What did I ever do to Yours but praise His glory and praise His Name?
There’s a tropical storm that’s gaining speed and power. They say we haven’t had a storm this bad since You took out that tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last year. Sixty-eight crew. You know what a tender ship does? Fixes the other ships. It doesn’t even carry guns. It just goes around, fixes the other ships and delivers the mail. That’s all it can do. Gratias tibi ago, Domine. Yes, I lied. It was a sin. I’ve committed many sins. Have I displeased You, You feckless thug? 3.8 million new jobs, that wasn’t good?
Bailed out Mexico. Increased foreign trade. Thirty million new acres of land for conservation. Put Mendoza on the bench. We’re not fighting a war. I’ve raised three children. That’s not enough to buy me out of the doghouse? Haec credam a Deo pio, a Deo iusto, a Deo scito? Cruciatus in crucem. Trus in terra servus, nuntius fui, officium perfeci. Cruciatus in crucem. Eas in crucem.
[deliberately lights a cigarette and grinds it out on the Cathedral floor] You get Hoynes.
— J. Bartlett
by Brendanukkah on Dec 7, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
My wife
made me buy every episode of that show. I must admit I enjoyed it too.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Love love love love love this. Of course.
But you could’ve also gone with the more succinct:
J. Bartlett — What’s next?
by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
that girl who = jose reyes...
i was dating her at the time and she cheated on me with that dirtbag. the worst part was that she constantly refused intercourse with me because she “wasn’t ready”. oh but sweet consolation was but 9 months away. i went to college, she went to the maternity ward. what’s up now, bitch?
arent you getting married?
so why the fuck do you care what’s up now, bitch?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
While I don't care for the misogynism of the term "bitch"
I do care what’s up now. Which is why I subscribe to several magazines. Including Maxim.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I always thought he looked equal parts pot-head, mugger and retard."
Thank you, Pops.
I always thought I was alone on this.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have this problem where I sit here watching stuff about Winter Meetings on ESPN and I get mad that the Reds aren't doing anything.
But, I mean, the Bengals suck and the Cavs suck. I guess I just want something to get excited about. I just need to sit back and remember that the Reds are in a pretty nice position even if nothing major happens.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
(but I totally understand the antsyness for wanting WM stuff to happen)
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
This
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
If someone sits a twelve pack of Burger beer in front of you and you have ANY other expression, I pity you
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Oh, and rec'd
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I really, really, really want this to become a RR meme. Sideways photo and all.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I approve, as long as someone slaps a "DO NOT WANT" on it
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
That makes it better.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
you can't rec yourself
fool
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
You can, but you gotta check yo'self first.
by FordhamRam on Dec 7, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
But it's $4.99 for a 12 pack!
Not to mention, the metal shards inside the can allow the alcohol to enter your bloodstream faster!
I wasn't sure if it was you
and then I saw the Louisville hat
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
It's not the best picture, to be sure
But I stand by my expression. :)
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
wait is that actually you?
if so, fan-friggin-tastic face.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Yep, it's me
Saturday night.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
So...uhh...this is a pretty boring winter meetings, huh?
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I know
Someone needs to hire Jim Bowden.
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
Yes

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Y'all tryin' ta make me Acta fool
Up in here! Up in here!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there has to be a way to measure a GM's WAR once her has been gone for a few years.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 8, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
An archaic manner of doing this is a fun exercise...
You just compare the current roster of a franchise against that team’s active former players. This doesn’t effectively show a damn thing, but it’s a really fun way to set up teams on baseball video games. :)
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is a mystery team in on Lee
could it be? maybe all this we aren’t gonna do anything and we don’t have any money to make a big splash is just some sick game Walt is trying to play and he is really gonna make the biggest splash of them all
sadly, no i doubt this is the case
in other news, the Cubs paid $10MM (!!) for Carlos Pena. TEN MILLION DOLLARS. The dude hit under the Mendoza Line last season. This is hilarious to me.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I heart the Cubs.
And by heart I mean I’d like to squat over them and rip out a deuce.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 8, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd so very, very hard.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
He could be OK. He still walks a ton and should hit for a bit of power in Wrigley
And a 1 year deal is pretty low-risk.
Still, I’ll shave my whole body if he’s worth 10 million next year.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
right
I mean the guy’s got a good OBP, but cmon…ten mill for a guy who is the definition of 3 true outcomes, with a good glove? I guess they had to shell out to keep it at a 1 year deal, the Boras special, kinda like what Beltre did last year, but still. Even if he hits a bunch of homers against us this year, I don’t see him being worth near that much.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
/nycpenalovechild
Shall we go by fangraphs or bb-ref WAR?
I think this is smart for one year. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the league/division switch helps him quite a bit.
for $10MM though?
I’m not saying Pena’s not valuable. But it seems like a lot of money for Carlos Pena.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I would think $5M would be fair.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I think you guys are undervaluing Peña
and the league switch will do a great deal of good for him as well, IMO. This is a pretty good signing by the Cubs if you ask me.
i have nothing to prove this
but i think league switches tend to benefit pitchers more than hitters.
Plus I mean if his down year was a .250/.340/.450 I would think a $10M one year deal would be alright.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
It's actually a smart move for a couple of reasons
1. It’s a one year deal. $10M is a lot of money, but there is rarely ever a bad one-year deal because it only hurts for that one year. To get a player with past success on just a one-year deal, you’ll have to pay little more than the market might suggest and the Cubs have more money to burn than most teams.
2. Pena has a history of success and is coming off a bad year where his BABIP was just .222. Maybe he won’t regain his form (his LD% was down to 14% and his GB% was way up compared to his peak years), but it’s only a one-year deal, so he’s definitely worth the risk.
3. If his BABIP does recover, his other numbers are still good. A .211 ISO is still good, his power is solid despite a high GB rate. His walk-rate is great at 15%.
I wouldn’t want the Reds spending $10M on the guy, but for the Cubs, it’s a good move. And, for whatever it is worth, he’s supposedly a great clubhouse guy, which is something the Cubs could probably use.
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Whatever do you mean?
Those guys look like one big happy family!



"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
x

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This sure as shit will go green.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
fitting that it's me
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
i'm going to forever think of you as a broken down and unshowered William H. Macy
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
That part made the picture for me, had to save it
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
That's a new/great one.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I miss this guy

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He's still a bright, shining star in my world.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
from the looks of the picture
he’s lucky he didn’t lose a testicle.
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Anteaters can blow me

"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
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