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Winter Meetings: Want/Have

It's looking more likely that Yonder may stick around as a hedge against Joey Votto's ambitions. Sorta like those other Reds used that other Cuban.

Despite the nihilism (or is it crafty gamesmanship?) of the front office, we know the Reds are at least pretending at pursuing a Leadoffman - or, failing that, a coxswain. The player in question will have to man LF or SS, since those are really the only openings in the starting lineup at present  (It would be weird - and so Walt - if it ended up being a pitcher.) So here's a quick and dirty inventory as the Reds shape their Opening Day 2011 roster. Or maybe they're using some kind of new age educational approach and just, like, letting it shape itself.

From a payroll perspective, last year's Opening Day outlay (major league salaries plus pro-rated bonuses) was $76M. By my count, the Reds are at around that figure currently (by including estimated arbitration raises). The amount committed could come down based on trades, contract extensions or more details on Arroyo's deferred salary (I've got him down tentatively for $11.5M). So if the payroll is raised to  $80M, or a bit above, they've got roughly $5M to spend. That puts a distinct limit on what moves can be made, though I think it provides room for several interesting trade scenarios.

Looking at the 25-man roster, I see about as many as 6 spots that are  "open" (that is, not a lock to be occupied by someone currently under contract to the Reds):

  • 1 OF (Assuming Chris Heisey stays on as 4th OF)
  • 2 IF (Miguel Cairo is likely to take one of these spots)
  • 3 spots in the 'pen (Highly likely to be filled internally, with Rhodes, Chapman or Willis taking at least one of the lefty spots; I've got Cordero, Masset, Bray and Ondrusek down as locks)

We don't know exactly who will be in the starting rotation, but unless there's a trade, it's a lock to be comprised of arms already in the organization.  All of these openings could be  filled internally, for league minimum. But if they want to venture outside the cocoon, here's a list of players in whom the Reds figure to be interested - based on a garbled John Fay tweet and some napkin scrawling - and who they could be willing to deal:

Star-divide

Want:

Justin Upton

Jose Reyes

Zach Greinke

Matt Kemp

Stephen Drew

Curtis Granderson - no indication yet that he's available

Josh Willingham - doesn't fit their leadoff mold, but would be a significant upgrade in LF

Brandon Webb -

Scott Podsednik - Still "stealing" myself against this one, though there are plenty of reasons why it wouldn't happen

J.J. Hardy - No interest has been indicated in a SS; Both Hardy and Bartlett are not overwhelmingly clear upgrades over Janish

Jeremy Hermida

Jason Bartlett

Have:

Juan Francisco - Continues to display nino-destructing power, but I think his biggest perceived liability is lack of position, rather than free-swinging. Would an AL team be interested?

Yonder Alonso - Smart money says he stays at least one more season.

Homer Bailey

Travis Wood

Mike Leake

Francisco Cordero - Could be moved as a strict salary dump to enable a trade/signing, but I still don't see it.

Chris Heisey

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Scott Podsednik

"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson

by boohiss on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Are they.....

Jack Brussel Terriers?

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Boo this man.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No, Brussels Griffons

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

/throws rotten fruit

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

His dogs love rotten fruit

They’re Rottenweilers.

by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Swing and a miss

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

*Swine and a miss.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

/throws rotten vegetables

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My golden retrieved them.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that's brocolli

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And who doesn't love brocolli?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 7, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

black people

oh wait, it’s the other way around

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

because black people voted for Bush in droves!

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no one specified!

they have the same name!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

pork!

it’s the other white meat!

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

*

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate brocolli.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

what about broccoli?

Do you like that?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Fuck it too.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

what about e. coli?

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 7, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

but it's Italian

Like Joey Votto!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So was Mussolini ...

LET’S DRAG JOEY’S CADAVER THROUGH THE STREETS!!!!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And kick him about the cranium.
The day after the execution, the bodies of Mussolini and his mistress were found hung upside down on meat hooks in Piazzale Loreto (Milan), along with those of 15 other fascists, to show the population that the dictator was dead. The corpse of the deposed leader became subject to ridicule and abuse by many. His body was then taken down and the crowd was allowed to kick his corpse. Many chose to kick him in the head…

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 7, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm down as long as JCH brings the beer ...

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

/throws rotten dictator

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for that.

I didn’t want to be the spellcheck bitch, but it was starting to drive my crazy.

by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

there is always one.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

FTFY

Their is all ways won.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 7, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

but Eugene Levy dog is somewhat interested:

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hehe

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I know we've been over this, but I need to double check:

Does that $76 million amount count on Arroyo’s deferred money? Because apparently there is a fair bit of it that is deferred.

Fay is supposedly checking on how much Bronson gets paid this year, but it could mean a fair bit of savings.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

I've got him down for $11.5M

Maybe his contract knocks him down another million or two.

I’m ballparking it, but I think $5M in spending power is a reasonable estimate.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, prob. But Fay says there's a chance he could be making as little as $8 mil this season

And, given the nature of this year’s FAs, etc., there’s a big difference between 5 mil and 8 mil in salary space.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I got the impression that he was getting about 8.5 mil this year.

Of course, I also got the impression that Fay’s tweet was in pig latin, so who knows.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think fay could handle pig latin

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

x

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:28 AM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

then I’m kinda impressed. I guess I should check, twitter is it?, more often.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

itter tway, I think.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I see in his latest post that all he knows is it's less than $13M

I’d be surprised if it was less than $10M, but if the Reds are working with $8M, that’s nothing to sneeze at – though $4M could go to Cairo and Rhodes.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember who I heard it from (maybe Erardi)

But I heard at Redsfest that he’d make $8.5M next year.

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by Slyde on Dec 7, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If they have around $8M

I’m not sure I’d give 1/3 or 1/2 of it to Cairo and Rhodes, especially if they’re considering putting Chapman in the bullpen.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly. 8 mil can get you a real player

Like, get the Royals to send 5 mil over with Greinke. Or the Mets to send 3 mil over with Reyes. Or Willingham. Or Ellsbury (easily).

8 million leaves a ton of possibilities. It’d be a shame if that’s the case, but that number drops to 5 because of signing Cairo and Rhodes.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no reason to give Cairo $1M

if it precludes a deal. Rhodes, Bray and Chapman could all occupy the same ’pen, but the Willis signing makes throwing $3-4M at Rhodes a little less necessary.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

or more necessary....

We have no Idea what we have in Willis.

by Eastwindquinn on Dec 7, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

O rly?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

MLB Trade Rumors

says the Reds will have to outbid the Red Sox and Phillies if they want Rhodes.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I say stay away

as much as I’m all for some rhodes, that is not a bidding war I’m interested in.

although if it means chapman to the pen if they dont get him, then I’d say its worth it.

by pack_fan on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

the Reds do need some left handed relief pitching

Right now it seems that the depth chart is:

Bray, DRH, Vallquette, and Willis.

Unless there are some people who aren’t on the 40 man I don’t know about or forgot.

I guess Maloney could be a left handed reliever. I know he made his first few relief appearances this year, I honestly can’t remember if he was effective or not, but the sample size was too small to fairly judge his ability as a relief pitcher.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

DoJo is a lefty.

"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK

by ZJiff30 on Dec 7, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

did Cincinnati lose Jukich?

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't it Korea?

“Seoul Sucker” and all that?

by Brendanukkah on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Scratch that. 'Twas Korea.

Obligatory “that’s racist” or maybe “nobody reads fanshots.”

by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope it was South Korea ...

Just sayin’

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That pic

was my facebook profile shot for a while. A better snap has yet to grace my eyes.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's gorgeous. Fitting of only Dear Leader.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

any chance Walt takes a flier on Johnny Damon if his price falls enough? Dude’s not dead yet, and I can think of a lot of worse ideas than having him platoon in left with Gomes.

The Reds could think up so many “Johnny & Johnny” marketing campaigns…

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

I could see Walt going after him

But Damon’s always seemed a bit of a fame whore to me. Not sure he’d want to come to Cincy unless no one else is offering.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

he went to Detroit

and turned down Boston when they tried to trade for him.

Johnny Damon is by all accounts a great guy. I admit, I was prepared to hate him, because he was a Red Sock, and because he took Bubba Crosby’s spot in the lineup and even his jersey number. But he won me over, and everyone from the t-shirt vendors and groundskeepers to Yankee brass ended up loving him.

However, I really think he’s reached the DH stage of his career. His arm is terrible, his legs aren’t so great, either. And he can’t stay healthy when he plays the OF.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, if we end up with Damon in some strange turn of events, I think some apologizing to the VEB about Berkman would be in order

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did people troll over there when they signed Berkman?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but you know those guys will be back if it were to happen

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a rec

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

meh

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand why this is Alonso's last option year

Is it because he was put on the 40-man when he signed?

He only has a few months of MLB service time.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

it's not his last year

But yes, the clock is ticking because he signed a big league contract. Every spring training, when he didn’t make the active roster, an option was burned when he was assigned to the minors.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

GOD I hate when they do that

it doesn’t even seem like it helps the prospects that much, it’s just kinda a status symbol. If I were a player or agent, I’d just ask for more guaranteed $$ and forgo the ML deal. Also, I’m not a player or agent.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate it, too

It’s a waste of a roster spot. I suppose it helps the player, in that he can’t be kept in the minors as long, but it sucks for the team.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

but in the case of Alonso

he is totally blocked at the ML level. So now the team is scrambling to figure out what to do with him. I’m worried that down the line the same thing will happen with Grandal and Mesoraco (which would be a good problem to have, mind you). In this case, at least, it seems to be hurting Yonder’s development a little bit, especially since he missed time with an injury.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

But he would probably rather be traded to a team who would play him in the big leagues, or be used as a bench player by the Reds, than spend more years in the minors.

It may well hurt his development, but players always think they’re ready, and don’t need more development.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not really scrambling. They have until 2013 to keep him on the roster.

The bigger issue is he’s pretty much MLB ready, and there’s not much reason to leave him in AAA.

Agreed, though, that MLB contracts are the suck. But it’s not just a status symbol for the player. Players get paid MLB money their entire time in the minors, which is a huge difference.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it can hurt the player too

look at Willy Mo Pena. He was dead weight on an MLB roster for 2 years because of his contract. The Reds didn’t want to DFA him because they would lose him on the waiver wire, but yet they didn’t want to play him, I argue that spending time on the MLB bench rather than refining his skills in AA or AAA hurt his development.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah. The idea is you only give one to players who are already very developed and polished

which decidedly did NOT apply to WMP.

That was a Bowden special, right there.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

actually that was a Yankee special

Bowden was dumb enough to trade for him.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

March 21, 2001: Traded by the New York Yankees to the Cincinnati Reds for Michael Coleman and Drew Henson.

Post-trade:
Wily Mo Pena 1.7 bref WAR

Drew Henson -0.1 bref WAR
Michael Coleman -0.5 bref WAR

Good trade by leatherpants

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 7, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Was Drew Henson the one who played football at Michigan?

If so, he was also in that recent non-conversation I had about where Adam Dunn played college football.

by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

He was supposed to be Tom Brady’s backup, but ended up playing more than Brady.

He’s only 30 years old. I bet he never imagined his career in sports would be over by now.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw him play with the Clippers.

He was batting .067 (or something close to that)

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He's in Columbus? That sucks

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This was a few years ago

probably 03 or 04

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

must have been

when Henson was a Yankee, and the Clippers were the Yanks’ AAA team.

Did you see Neon Deion in Columbus? (Another Yankee/Cowboy.)

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish

Coolest thing I ever saw at a Clippers game was someone hitting for the cycle (I forget who)

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw Michael Tucker in Columbus in 2006 playing

for the Norfolk Tides.

Dude was still rocking the long-sleeve undershirt.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Tucker is the most 2002 player in the world

along with Jeff Hammonds and Preston Wilson

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but since WMP

turned into Arroyo, I say it’s a push.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

WMP is living large these days, bro.

He’s in the D-Backs minor league system.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you should include the Nasty Hook in this as well.

Not only did Wily Mo Pena include a positive WAR over Henson and Coleman, but the Reds were able to flip him for Arroyo in a hugely lopsided trade for the Red Stockings over the Red Socks.

6-2, 185

by brown11b on Dec 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. So there. In your face, elbow patches! :P

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Except it didn't.

There was a false perception at that time being propaganda’d by Marty, Hal, and Bob Boone that Wily Mo was causing the Reds to lose because he was on the roster. It was bullshit fanned by lazy local and national media. Wily Mo wasn’t getting the chance to play in the majors. Boone kept him on the bench in favor of established garbage. The only opportunities Pena got were after sitting for several days, pinch hitting in the ninth inning of the other team’s closer. He was thrown under the bus. But when he eventually did begin starting he magically played well.

So don’t say he wasn’t ready.

by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well he made it to the big leagues in 2002 as a September call up

in 2001 in Dayton (low a ball), Pena put up a slash line off .264/.327/.485. In 2002 at AA he put up a slash line of .255/.330/.405. So in his last full minor league season he put up an OPS of .735.

In 2003 his MLB slash line was .218/.283/.358. None of those numbers are confidence inspiring.

Even after he got regular playing time starting in 2004 he struggles to keep his OBP above .300.

I think he would have benefited from more time in the minors. He was out of options by the time he was 21. Yeah he had 2 serviceable seasons, but he never really did much with his talent.

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by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What I was so angry about back then is that his development was ruined by being forced to the bench and not given regular at bats.

You can’t do that to someone and expect him to instantly turn the switch on. They should have played him. The didn’t. And then they blamed him.

by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It was more complicated than what you are claiming.

But then again on the depth chart the Reds had Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, Guillen, and Pena. Griffey missed some time early in the year, which allowed Guillen to play, and he put up monster stats, when he was traded to Oakland at the deadline he had an OPS over 1.000.

So when Griffey went down in April, the Reds had an outfield still of Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen, where does Pena fit?

Austin Kearns last game was was July 8th, Griffey’s was July 17th. Wily Mo Pena went on the DL with a strained hamstring on July 5th, and he returned on July 30th, with a little less than 3 weeks of rehab. Prior to Pena’s injury he had 35 at bats. He played 14 games in AAA and OPS’d over 1.000 on AAA pitching.

When Pena returned to the big leagues on July 31st, Boone and Bowden were gone. Griffey and Kearns were out for the year and Guillen was an Athletic. Pena played in 45 of the remaining 54 games, he put up a pedestrian slash line of .254/.326/.752 over 145 PA’s.

So what happened was for the first half of the season Pena was 5th on the depth chart behind Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen. I can’t really consider any of those players in 2003 established garbage, Griffey was the only veteran, Kearns was just a second year player, and Dunn was a 3rd year player. Guillen was hardly established and he had a monster year.

During Boone and Bowden’s time at the helm in 2003 where does Pena fit? Also keep in mind that as late as July 2nd, 2003 the Reds were 2 games under .500 and were 2.5 games out of first. Bowden and Boone were in hot water and needed to stay in contention to save their jobs, they weren’t about to replace Griffey, Kearns, Dunn, or Guillen with a project for the future.

The problem was simply that Pena needed more minor league at bats. He was up in the big leagues and out of options by 2003, when he 21 years old, and just his 5th professional season. Further prior to 2003 he had only 454 plate appearances above A ball.

I don’t really see a major problem in how the Reds treated Pena in 2003.

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by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

furthermore

there was 24 starts given to outfielders not named, Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, or Guillen between opening day and July 4th, when Pena strained his hamstring.

11 went to Reggie Taylor, 11 went to Ruben Mateo, and 2 went to Pena. (This was all done by checking the number of starts given to every outfielder on the Reds between March 31 and July 4th, using the game log feature of baseball reference. Freel may have gotten a few outfield starts, given that he was an infield/outfield utility man, but I don’t really want to go through every game Freel started prior to July 4th to see if he played in the outfield).

So there were 24 starts for 3 players, even if Pena had received 8 starts, I don’t think that would have made that much of a difference. You also have to keep in mind that Taylor and Mateo more than likely played much better defense than Wily Mo.

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by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's just it though

During the time he wasn’t playing, he was getting blamed for sandbagging the team because of his contract. And he still is.

by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't remember him being blamed

as much as I remember the media talking about the Reds trying to make the best out of an unfortunate contract situation. Pena was signed as a 17 year old out of the Dominican, I assume he had an agent who was trying to get Pena the most money. A guaranteed MLB contract provided Pena with league minimum salary on top of whatever signing bonus he received. I assume that being 17 and from the Dominican Pena had no way of really understanding the potential negative consequences of a major league contract.

There was nothing the Reds or Pena could do to change the situation in 2003, Pena’s options were gone, and he was the 4th, 5th, or 6th best active outfielder on a major league roster that usually for most of the first half of the season had 3 or 4 good outfielders on it already.

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by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Pena was roasted daily

for being terrible. With more playing time in the majors at that level, he would have been fine. I hate to say it, but the media does not treat latin ball players who don’t speak english well very, uh, well unless they walk around with a giant smile.

I’m in a dead zone on the train, so I apologize if this posts twice.

by Brian B on Dec 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure how Pena would have turned out had he played regularly for the Reds

However, you’re correct that the media does not favor non-White players who do not speak English well

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

EE

“has a bad attitude”

by bobestes on Dec 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dunn was the token

citation to whomever originally said that on RR.

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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The outfield was a revolving door that year, as Griffey and Kearns barely played.

And Guillen was dealt, as you mentioned. So it wasn’t a matter of moving him ahead of those guys on the depth chart. Reggie Taylor was playing OF, as were Branyan, and Ruben Mateo. Pena needed more at bats period, minors or majors. Instead they let him rot.

Also, Pena’s injury was not real. They used it as an excuse to send him down.

by Brian B on Dec 7, 2010 11:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i think you ignored something

The outfield was not a true revolving door until Kearns and Griffey were both hurt at the same time, which did not happen until July 17th.

Prior to July 17th at least 3 out of Griffey, Dunn, Kearns, and Guillen were available to play. So again please tell me where Pena fit in.

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by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think trying to assign fault re: playing time decisions by the manager is missing the larger point...

…that Pena being in a logjam when he needed AB’s is the real problem here. Maybe the contract was bad for his development, but he had that contract when the Reds traded for him. So it was the Reds’ responsibility to get him those AB’s, and they didn’t – because Leatherpants collected outfielders like baseball cards instead of bolstering the pitching staff with his budget and resources. Trading for Pena as a commodity was a good idea, and worked out well for the Reds in the end. But some of that was at the expense of Pena’s career development. And that was a choice made by Leatherpants when he acquired a player who didn’t have any options and put him on a roster where he wouldn’t get any playing time REGARDLESS of who was manager.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

that is completely reasonable

I always thought it was a shame that Pena didn’t go to some place like Pittsburgh or Kansas City, where he would have been almost guaranteed playing time.

I have no idea what made Bowden think, despite having a glut of young talented big league ready outfielders and Ken Griffey Jr, that he needed Wily Mo Pena.

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-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Too good a price to pass up, methinks...

I would have jumped on that trade, and as I recall Henson was being a dickcheese and spouting that he would give up baseball if he wasn’t a Yankee or some horseshit that smelled similar to that…but it was unreasonable not to showcase him and then flip him (or other players INSTEAD of him) for pitching/prospects.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I barely even remember Hanson

2002 was really the first season I followed critically. I mean I had followed the Reds and understood baseball since 1995, but 2002 was the first season I really watched every game, tracked the roster, and what not.

The only thing I remember about Hanson was he was booed in Columbus.

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by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i rec'd this for the term "dickcheese"

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by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He should reconstruct his contract!

Like we always used to beg of Wily Mo Pena

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions  

as we

discussed yesterday, this isn’t Alonso’s last option year. He has two more left.

And while Granderson is probably available for the right price, the Yankees don’t seem to be actively shopping him. The NY media is reporting that the Yanks are worried about outfield depth, and are actually looking to add another OFer, not get rid of one.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

it's super confusing

I’m glad you brought it up again, as I was still slightly unsure of what the deal was. Also, yesterday there was a lot of tl;dr stuff

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

tl;dr

:-)

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by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I walked right into that one!

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Complicated

I didn’t know about that “rare fourth option year.” My innocence is lost.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

same here

I had never heard of that.

Every time I think I’m starting to understand baseball transactions, I’m proved wrong.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

heheh

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by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

kill it

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by featherman on Dec 7, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

am I the only one who doesn't get why he gets so much hate?

He’s just an Avett Brother who can smack the ball around the yard.

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Just funnin

I don’t like the way he wears his beard; too angry.

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by featherman on Dec 8, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I figured if they added Crawford, Granderson might be available

But are they even in on Crawford?

Granderson seems like a pretty good to me – he’s fits the leadoff type, could be within their budget window and wouldn’t require the farm to get. And he pairs up well with Gomes.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Gardner, honestly

unless the Yanks kicked in a ton of $$ for Curtis

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardner seems like he'd be even less available

though I’d welcome Bubba’s input. And his bat doesn’t play that well in left. He’d be a really nice player to add – and cheap – but that’s exactly why he’d be off limits.

Pairing Granderson and Gomes would give you better offensive output. They’d have to pick up some salary – say $5M to make his contract more like $6/7M per year – and I don’t think it’s likely for that reason alone. But his stock is low and his platoon splits make him more valuable to the Reds than the Yanks (that, and the fact that the Reds are in the NL Central).

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, platooning Granderson with Gomes would be a nice LF situation

Granderson is the snacks against righties, and would play a mean LF defense.

On the days he’s in (about 70% of the time), that would be a sick defensive OF.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The big hang-up

aside from the Yanks not wanting to trade him, would be the money. But when the next step down is Scott Podsednik, you’d have to try to figure a way to swing this kind of deal.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think with the power Stubbs has in CF

we could afford a high avg/obp/speed no power guy in left. But I do think you’re right about him being less available than Granderson, assuming the Yanks sign Crawford

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

With Granderson going 70% of the time against lefties

You’d get those skills (though Granderson’s speed translates to less SBs and more legging out doubles and triples) plus a lot more power. I think their defense would run roughly even in LF.

Gardner’s the better value for sure, but you’re buying marginal wins to stay ahead of the Cardinals.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I owe you $7,000,000

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, so count me in for $20 towards Cliff Lee then

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't heard anything about Crawford

though MLB Trade Rumors think the Yankees are the only ones who can afford him. Currently, the Yankees have only three OFers: Granderson, Gardner, and Swisher. The rest are youngsters who likely won’t stick in the big leagues, at least not with the Yankees. Kearns, Thames, and Berkman are gone. I think they’re likely to keep Grandy, even if they get Crawford.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Pops, you may well be the gold of the RR commentors.

Oil, at the least.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent.

The one about Alonso is top shelf.

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by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nix>Heisey

Truthiness.

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by Madville on Dec 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

why gold, though?

I get it that paper money is a sham. But you can’t eat gold. You can’t throw it over you and keep warm. It does make for some nice non-corroding electrical contacts, but I don’t think that’s real high on most people’s wish lists.

In my future dystopia world, a bunch of people hoard gold for the post-apocalypse, then everyone decides gold is pretty stupid anyway, and it’s the guys with a couple of cans of Dinty Moore and a Danny Ray Herrera jersey that have to defend the homestead with the last ammunition in the state.

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by bbjones on Dec 7, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Due to golds low melting point....

In Dystopia, gold may be the only metal you can manage to craft into item.

by Eastwindquinn on Dec 8, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Gold is also the most malleable and ductile of all known metals.

A single ounce of gold can be beaten into a sheet measuring roughly 5 meters on a side. Thin sheets of gold, known as gold leaf, can be as thin as 0.000127 millimeters, or about 400 times thinner than a human hair. Gold is a good conductor of heat and electricity and can be used to make electrical connectors. It has been estimated that all of the gold that has currently been refined could be placed in a cube measuring 20 meters on a side…and would fit in the space beneath the Eiffel Tower.

It’s in France, you know.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a nice article

It explains why gold was the only choice.

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by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome, possum!

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

did you read that Wikileak cable

where Ramzan Kadyrov gave a Daghestani couple a 6-pound block of gold as a wedding present?

Because that was pretty cool.

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: LF

I’ve been so excited about what we could get in return for Alonso for so long that I never really considered the possibility of his being on the team in ’11.

Walt has mentioned playing him in LF, even though it seemed last year that the experiment had ended unsuccessfully.

The fact that they’re considering it suggests he must not be that terrible. Perhaps we already have the answer to our LF problem.

It doesn’t help the top of the order, but the thought of Alonso and Joey in the lineup at the same time it titillating.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

except for the fact that all reports seem to say that Alonso is truly, truly atrocious in left. Sure hope I’m wrong, but for now, it worries me.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Wonder if they’re truly considering a platoon.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be fine with it

until that first horribly misplayed ball drops. But, I guess if you can’t get anything significant for Alonzo now, you have to drive up his value or use him somehow.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been fine with this idea all year

It should have happened as soon as yonder started raking. He could rip righties up and leave Jonny to hit poorly as a pinch hitter.

by jsl413 on Dec 7, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Or Dunn for that matter

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by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But see, I think he might be. I think his arm is weaker than Gomes, and he's easily slower than both Gomes Dunn

Plus, he’s played a total of fewer than 20 games out there in his career, so it’s not like he’s going to have great instincts either.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

this is my fear, as alluded to earlier

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, having said all that, I'd be willing to give it a try, as a plan D

Plans A-C being a trade or FA signing.

As long as we don’t move on to plan E, which is Gomes being the everyday LFer.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

where would Heisey fall into those plans?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, really. I'd kind of forgotten about him, since he doesn't seem to be in the starting plans

I’d rather see him platoon with someone, but I think the Gomes re-sign effectively ruled that out.

I’d also rather see him be the everyday player than Gomes. He may not hit much better, but he’d definitely play better defense.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same as you

I think Heisey is going to have to play his way onto the field. Which isn’t the worst problem to have, I suppose. I’d put him as D(1)

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The first ball off the wall/into the corner could be hilarious to watch though

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by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it'd be entertaining for sure.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I imagine it being something like....

This.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Dunn would have helped this team more than Arroyo at about the same cost.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Too late ...

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by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait for when he introduces himself to Ozzie

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I imagine a "guys from King of the Hill meet Kahn for the first time" scenario

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a pretty sweet shirt, tie, jacket combo

I just can’t bring myself to buy a Dunn White Sox jersey though….

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 8, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Cincinnati still has Willy Bloomquist

they don’t need to worry about left field.

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by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe if everyone on RR throws in some money we can get enough together to get Cliff Lee.

Worth a shot, right?

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by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'll throw in $20.

Slyde, with his massive book sales, could probably swing a couple million.

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by nycredsfan on Dec 7, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll throw in 5 bucks.

That should cover his haircuts.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got $3.50

Plus, a half a bag of ballpark peanuts and a Paul Janish autographed baseball card valued at ten cents plus whatever the autograph is worth??

Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?

by Corky's Stache on Dec 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently the Nats want him now.

And we all know how they’ve gotten with spending…

Step up, RR! We have to outbid the Yankees and Nats.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be made into a feature

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously

this guy is boss

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Dec 7, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I take offense to the next to last one, but I'll rec anyway

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Pops, did i say gold?

Ft. fucking Knox man.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 7, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My wife

made me buy every episode of that show. I must admit I enjoyed it too.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 7, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Love love love love love this. Of course.

But you could’ve also gone with the more succinct:

J. Bartlett — What’s next?

by the finest muffins on Dec 7, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Stephen Larkin'd

"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren

by Madville on Dec 7, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

that girl who = jose reyes...

i was dating her at the time and she cheated on me with that dirtbag. the worst part was that she constantly refused intercourse with me because she “wasn’t ready”. oh but sweet consolation was but 9 months away. i went to college, she went to the maternity ward. what’s up now, bitch?

by GrooveLeg on Dec 7, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

arent you getting married?

so why the fuck do you care what’s up now, bitch?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

While I don't care for the misogynism of the term "bitch"

I do care what’s up now. Which is why I subscribe to several magazines. Including Maxim.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes

it’s just a term that people. i don’t know… i don’t get what you are asking.

by GrooveLeg on Dec 8, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

"I always thought he looked equal parts pot-head, mugger and retard."

Thank you, Pops.

I always thought I was alone on this.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have this problem where I sit here watching stuff about Winter Meetings on ESPN and I get mad that the Reds aren't doing anything.

But, I mean, the Bengals suck and the Cavs suck. I guess I just want something to get excited about. I just need to sit back and remember that the Reds are in a pretty nice position even if nothing major happens.

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

105 MPH fastball

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Joey Votto

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Jay Bruce's continued development

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

first division championship in 15 years

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If someone sits a twelve pack of Burger beer in front of you and you have ANY other expression, I pity you

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and rec'd

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I really, really, really want this to become a RR meme. Sideways photo and all.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I approve, as long as someone slaps a "DO NOT WANT" on it

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes it better.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you can't rec yourself

fool

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 7, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Smartass

"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428

by sexsalad on Dec 7, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nor did I

fool

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 7, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But it's $4.99 for a 12 pack!

Not to mention, the metal shards inside the can allow the alcohol to enter your bloodstream faster!

by FordhamRam on Dec 7, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure if it was you

and then I saw the Louisville hat

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 8, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not the best picture, to be sure

But I stand by my expression. :)

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

wait is that actually you?

if so, fan-friggin-tastic face.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 8, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, it's me

Saturday night.

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

atta boy

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 8, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So...uhh...this is a pretty boring winter meetings, huh?

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

I know

Someone needs to hire Jim Bowden.

"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."

Dusty Baker on RR

by DTFH91 on Dec 7, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

An archaic manner of doing this is a fun exercise...

You just compare the current roster of a franchise against that team’s active former players. This doesn’t effectively show a damn thing, but it’s a really fun way to set up teams on baseball video games. :)

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 8, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There is a mystery team in on Lee

could it be? maybe all this we aren’t gonna do anything and we don’t have any money to make a big splash is just some sick game Walt is trying to play and he is really gonna make the biggest splash of them all

by vottomatic on Dec 8, 2010 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

sadly, no i doubt this is the case

in other news, the Cubs paid $10MM (!!) for Carlos Pena. TEN MILLION DOLLARS. The dude hit under the Mendoza Line last season. This is hilarious to me.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 8, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd so very, very hard.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

He could be OK. He still walks a ton and should hit for a bit of power in Wrigley

And a 1 year deal is pretty low-risk.

Still, I’ll shave my whole body if he’s worth 10 million next year.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Dec 8, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

right

I mean the guy’s got a good OBP, but cmon…ten mill for a guy who is the definition of 3 true outcomes, with a good glove? I guess they had to shell out to keep it at a 1 year deal, the Boras special, kinda like what Beltre did last year, but still. Even if he hits a bunch of homers against us this year, I don’t see him being worth near that much.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 8, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

/nycpenalovechild

Shall we go by fangraphs or bb-ref WAR?

I think this is smart for one year. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the league/division switch helps him quite a bit.

by ken on Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

for $10MM though?

I’m not saying Pena’s not valuable. But it seems like a lot of money for Carlos Pena.

Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"

by UncleWeez on Dec 8, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think $5M would be fair.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you guys are undervaluing Peña

and the league switch will do a great deal of good for him as well, IMO. This is a pretty good signing by the Cubs if you ask me.

by kcgard2 on Dec 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i have nothing to prove this

but i think league switches tend to benefit pitchers more than hitters.

Plus I mean if his down year was a .250/.340/.450 I would think a $10M one year deal would be alright.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's actually a smart move for a couple of reasons

1. It’s a one year deal. $10M is a lot of money, but there is rarely ever a bad one-year deal because it only hurts for that one year. To get a player with past success on just a one-year deal, you’ll have to pay little more than the market might suggest and the Cubs have more money to burn than most teams.
2. Pena has a history of success and is coming off a bad year where his BABIP was just .222. Maybe he won’t regain his form (his LD% was down to 14% and his GB% was way up compared to his peak years), but it’s only a one-year deal, so he’s definitely worth the risk.
3. If his BABIP does recover, his other numbers are still good. A .211 ISO is still good, his power is solid despite a high GB rate. His walk-rate is great at 15%.

I wouldn’t want the Reds spending $10M on the guy, but for the Cubs, it’s a good move. And, for whatever it is worth, he’s supposedly a great clubhouse guy, which is something the Cubs could probably use.

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by Slyde on Dec 8, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatever do you mean?

Those guys look like one big happy family!

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

This sure as shit will go green.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

fitting that it's me

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm going to forever think of you as a broken down and unshowered William H. Macy

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That part made the picture for me, had to save it

"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs

by jch24 on Dec 8, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a new/great one.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He's still a bright, shining star in my world.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Anteaters can blow me

"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren

by Madville on Dec 8, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

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