Redsfest Reposter: People Talkin'
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 4, 2010 6:11 PM EST
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Full disclosure: I was not at Redsfest. But people with access and connections were (including our own Manager Emeritus and Twitter intern, Slyde, who was slinging copies of Wire to Wire Reds for a cool $15 spot).
Cincinnati inquirer John Fay has wrested some interesting nuggets of information from the brass, though none of it involves any imminent signings or trades:
John Fay chatted with Bob Castellini
The Reds seem to be a united front on trying to lock up both Votto and Bruce. The Bruce camp is very open to the idea, while Castellini is optimistic on Votto. Though the source is unclear (Bob or Walt?), Fay give us this:
The Reds payroll, I’m told, will be right at $80 million.
This gives us a pretty good idea about what the Reds are working with this offseason - though I'm not sure if this figure incorporates all major league salaries and pro-rated bonuses or base salaries for the 25-man roster - or what. Arroyo's extension freed up at least $1.5M, while potential extensions for Votto and/or Bruce could provide a little bit more flexibility by making their 2011 salaries less than what they would have gotten in a one-year deal or arbitration.
It's difficult to parse Votto's remarks about an extension
But I think the gist is that it's hard for anyone to know what they'll want to do tonight, let alone in five, six or, in Votto's words, "eleven-bijillion" years. I don't have any reason to think Votto's level of enthusiasm for staying in Cincinnati approaches that of Jay Bruce, but he's also showing himself to be a shrewd negotiator and a thoughtful person, who will consider the particulars of any deal on a case-by-case basis.
And:
Kinda funny (Safe for Work. Probably TOO safe)
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In their defense,
Todd Bet-signer is actually one of Pete Rose’s aliases that gets him into the building without MLB scrutiny.
got a pete rose auto 8x10 from the reds hall of fame today
Two ninety nine!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
photo was $5, actually
and some of the ones were autographed. didnt know what you got til you unwrapped it. you need to get on twitter, hombre, it was uploaded yesterday. boy #2 was pretty ecstatic.
the two ninety nine is a phrase my daughter says all the time when something good happens.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Berkman to the Cardinals.
I think I love this move.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
He did have an OPS over .900 just a year ago
But he hasn’t worn an outfielder’s glove since 2007. He is going to be a minor disaster in RF.
I’m always glad when players I hate play on teams I hate. It makes it easier to keep all the hatin’ straight.
GOD DAMMIT I PAID THE CAR INSURANCE AND I DON'T FUCK PROSTITUTES WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 4, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Last time Berkman was an everyday outfielder
John Kerry was running for President
Facebook was only available to Harvard students
YouTube did not exist
Mark McGwire was still pretending he didn’t use steroids
John Paul II was still the Pope
and Katrina was just some chick you slept with and then forgot to call
GOD DAMMIT I PAID THE CAR INSURANCE AND I DON'T FUCK PROSTITUTES WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Dec 4, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yabbut
Johnny Gomes was an outfielder then, too. There’s no way Berkman’s a worse OF than Gomes, and he’s a much better hitter. Much.
This will be a pain in the ass 18 times next year.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 4, 2010 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right, but we have Stubbs and Bruce to make up for them.
They have Rasmus and Holliday…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
true
And I’m not viewing it as a closed-end game, but it sure wouldve been nice if he signed in the AL west. Dude loves wrigley and GABP.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 4, 2010 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They have Rasmus for the time being.
I’m assuming the Berkman deal may be more writing on the wall that Colby is going to be traded soon.
I think Jay would get traded before Rasmus
And even then, they may keep him as a 4th OF.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 5, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, Joey said "eleventy-bajillion" in the YouTube clip on Fay's post.
Which is even better. Actually, I recommend watching the clip if y’all haven’t yet. My favorite is the part where he starts interrogating the guy who’s trying to interview him. It’s mildly uncomfortable but majorly fantastic.
by the finest muffins on Dec 4, 2010 10:25 PM EST reply actions
A cynic might say
That they’ll leak word of a votto megaoffer, he’ll decline, Alonso will have a monster 2011 season at AAA, and Votto will get spun for a #1 pitcher next offseason.
Would you be comfy with that scenario?
by bobestes on Dec 5, 2010 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Fwiw
Kyle Drabek is Toronto’s #1 prospect.
by bobestes on Dec 5, 2010 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ahead of Zach Stewart? That's unpossible!
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 5, 2010 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
yes
i have been saying all along if the Reds can’t extend Votto to trade him after next year if Alonso seems ready to step in.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 5, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a preposterous idea
if Joey simply is dead-set against an extension.
But the conditions would have to be perfect. If the Reds are still competitive going into the ‘12 season, their best move to continue winning would be to keep Votto rather than shopping the last year of his contract. Adrian Gonzalez is considerably cheaper than Votto will be after this season, and the Padres-BoSox deal still looks like a rebuilding move for a team that should be a contender. And if Alonso isn’t dealt this offseason, he’ll have to be completely ready to go, since he’ll be out of options, which suggests he’ll be dealt sometime between now and the trade deadline. And then there’s the fan backlash.
I think Votto knows what his his negotiating stance is – and it involves not saying "I don’t want an extension – unless he wants to be traded to a contender or Toronto somewhere down the road.
Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 5, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I can't say I like that scenario
besides the Alonso doing great in AAA part.
What I would never want to see is a Rolen/Philly situation. I don’t think anything like that would happen with Votto and the Reds, but I hope this all stays totally civil (this would be something to worry about in the future mostly I am just making it known early that I would prefer to avoid that)
This from mlbtraderumors was funny:
“A fly ball pitcher, Harang would likely fit well in San Diego’s spacious outfield.”
by Brian B on Dec 5, 2010 10:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i don't know how well he could cover 480 to dead center
he isn’t terribly fast.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 5, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Neither Bob nor Joey look comfortable in this photo
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
are the Reds moving to using this Dodgers-script?
Because, well, it kinda sucks.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
yep, looks like it
these are apparently the new BP uniforms. The Reds pretty much never used this, and its really, really, bland. It could very well be a Microsoft font. Erggg.
That said, click on the link for pictures of an awkward Drewfus and an anything-but-awkward BP
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
when I saw the picture with Votto and Bob I didnt like the look
but I just figured, “their BP unis, so who really cares”. Now when I click the link and see them from a few different angles…man, they’re awful. really dont like the blown up Reds.
That's definitely not the Dodgers' script.
And the Reds have been using it for a little while now. I don’t love the “loop back to underline” bit, but otherwise I’m a fan. Anything to get rid of those awful 90s block letters they’ve been using for so long.
by the finest muffins on Dec 5, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
those '90s block letters have been around since the 60s
if the Reds wanted to at least do something in line with their current identity, I’d be ok with it. This, well, isn’t.
It was used in ’36 and ’37, according to “TxRangersFan” over at sports logos:
I just think it’s kinda “meh.” I wish the Reds would stick with a common identity. Or, more importantly, ditch the drop shadows.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
meant to add:
Those ’36 jerseys are ugly to an obscene amount. No need to go back to those suckers.
And it’s reported that the reds will have a black oval with white letters saying “SPARKY” on the 2011 shoulder
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Wow, you're right.
I associate the block letters with the 90s because it reminds me of something that would be on a boys’ lunchbox or school folder during my childhood. That awkward choppy ‘D’ is just painful to me:
Oddly, I don’t mind the one that was actually used in the 90s:
And you know I’m with you on the drop shadows. My disdain for them knows no bounds. Ridding the world of black drop shadows on typography would probably cure cancer and end terrorism.
by the finest muffins on Dec 5, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
No drop shadows
You can get an 80s vintage no dropshadow wishbone C hat at Koch sporting goods.
by bobestes on Dec 5, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is childhood to me.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 5, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
hey!
i didnt know Gray was left-handed!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 5, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
the FIRST thing they need to do, at least
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I dont really mind the unis otherwise
hell of a lot better than some of the craptastic ones they wore before them
they need to changet the color
i can’t abide by the Reds being the official MLB team of the Bloods.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
It's sounding more and more like Zack Greinke is gonna be dealt this winter
And the Reds aren’t on his no-trade list, which he might toss anyways. Can this happen, please?
The grapevine on this one isn't particularly short, but...
My brother’s friend somehow got to know Bill Bavasi, I think through an internship he had a few years ago (maybe at some media outlet? Or possibly government? Damn, I’m sketchy on the details.) Anyway, Bavasi mentioned to him recently that the Reds’ top trade target this offseason is Greinke. So take that for whatever it’s worth.
by the finest muffins on Dec 5, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
tfm, a rumor monger.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 5, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
haha fair enough then
though I do like it when Tebow cries
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
If Werth is worth $125 million for 7 years, what's Votto worth?
Votto is at least 4 years younger than Werth (27 vs. 31), just won his MVP. Dunn just signed fo 56 million for 4 years. Would you pay $20 million average per year for Votto?
Votto will not get a $20M a year average right now
he has 3 years of arb left. He will not get free agent money yet. Perhaps on years after the first 3, but I don’t think he’s signing that long of a contract anyway.
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Big overpay on Werth too
They will regret that by year 4. The market has been crazy so far this winter though. The deal with Bronson looks better every day just by comparison with the things these other clubs are doing.
I actually don't think it's *that* bad
It’s a lot of years. But the money, at least in the first few years, is pretty reasonable. Werth is underrated because of a late start, but he does everything well and has the build and athleticism that suggest he’ll age better than most.
The 6th and 7th years will probably be a loss, but Washington had to offer the extra years to have a chance.
by ken on Dec 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
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