Red Reposter - Infield Pepper's Lonely Bats Club Band
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I guess John Fay got himself some new drumsticks for Christmas
because he's bangin' his favorite drum harder than ever. He laments the loss of Arthur Rhodes to the Rangers as a function of that old gray mare, the team's budget constraints. While I'm not dismissing out of hand his view of the situation, I think it is a bit more complicated than he's making it.
The Rangers are going to pay the Colossus $4 mil next season. That is a lot of bones for a 41-year-old situational reliever, even one as bad ass as this particular brother trucker. So while it may be true that the Reds don't have $4 mil to spend, it's also true that spending that kind of money on a guy that is as expendable as Rhodes is probably not the most prudent thing to do. The team has more pressing needs than left-handed bullpen help, like an upgrade in LF. Not to mention just how volatile relievers can be. Paying relievers big money is almost always a bad idea. I'm pretty confident someone like Dontrelle Willis, Philippe Valliquette, Daniel Ray Herrera, or Aroldis Chapman can step in his place just fine. -
So now that the Reds have a bit of cash to spend
(probably somewhere between $3 and 5 mil), what should they do with it? Blog Red Machine has a list of prospective targets, starting with Scott Podsednik. The idea is that he and Jonny Gomes are polar opposites skill-wise, so they could make a nice platoon complementing each other well. While I agree that Scotty Pods and Gomer are very different players, neither of them are really all that good. Creating a platoon of bad players is just as bad as playing a single bad player. Pods' defense isn't good enough to make up for his total lack of power and while his OBP isn't awful, it is almost completely dependent on his speed. And he's getting to be an old man, so that speed won't be around much longer. I pass.
The other players BRM mentions are Edgar Renteria (yawn), David Aardsma (huh?), Laynce Nix (again?), and Jerry Hairston Jr (again?). Aardsma is a strange addition to the list, as the one thing the Reds don't need is an expensive live-armed right-handed reliever. The more I think about it though, Nix is a far better option than Pods. As our LF options are dwindling, he's increasingly becoming one of the most attractive candidates remaining on the market. We know who he is (decent power, good defense, poor OBP skills) so that level of familiarity makes him a bit more attractive than Pods in my mind. He'd likely be cheaper than Pods, too.
Another guy that intrigues me mildly (mild intrigue is about the most titillation we'll get this offseason) is Brad Penny. Much like Brandon Webb, he's coming off an injury-plagued season and is likely willing to take an incentive-laden deal with a low base salary. He's had his share of injuries throughout his career and has worked two straight years on show-me contracts, but when healthy he's shown he can be a solid #2 starter. His K/BB rates are good and his GB% is good, and, if he stays healthy, he's probably good for a FIP in the high 3's. He'll be 33 next May, so he's probably got a few good years left in him, again, if he stays healthy. He made $7.5 mil last season pitching two months for the Cardinals, but as long as his back is healthy (again, if he stays healthy) I think he could sign for $2-3 mil or so. Getting him could facilitate a trade of some of our pitching depth for more pressing needs. I dunno. It's something to get mildly excited about, I guess. -
Doug Gray reviews the season of 2B prospect Henry Rodriguez
Hank-Rod put up some impressive numbers in Dayton this year, slashing .307/.337/.473. The relatively low OBP is a concern, as he didn't walk but 22 times all season, but he also didn't strike out at an alarming rate, either. He smacked 37 doubles and swiped 33 bases, so he has some nice wheels to compliment his power. He kind of reminds me of Brandon Phillips, without the sterling defensive reputation. He seems good enough at 2B, but he may end up moving down the defensive spectrum as he moves up. Nice kid, though. -
I'm dreaming of a Red Christmas
That Mr. Redlegs tree-topper is creeping the hell out of me.
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*yawn*
Pods, Nix, Gomes…either get a REAL LF, or throw Hi-Z out there and see how he does playing everyday. If he can’t handle it, a corner OF will be available, and we should have the chips in place to pull off a trade.
Is it opening day yet? I can’t get into basketball, my Raiders are out of it…I’m ready to watch Greinke/Volquez already!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by DocRam on Dec 27, 2010 12:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed,
I’m to the point where I’d rather just go into the season with who is already in the fold than add some crappy player and hope they play above their head.
I think if anything happens at this point, it’ll be a trade. I just hope Pods doesn’t happen. What a waste.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I also wonder why the Fay ...
continues to believe that players who are on Social Security are somehow related to the future of this franchise.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
I'd rather have Upton
But failing that, I’d go with Heisey as the starter. Since the Reds are unwilling to do that, I’d rather get Nix to platoon with Gomes. It’s definitely not the best option, but it’s probably the best of the reasonable ones.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 27, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Nix platoon with Gomes?
why give Gomes the playing time?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nix is awful against lefties
more awful even than Gomes.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying Daynce Mix should play vs. LHB
I’m just saying Gomes shouldn’t play, period
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be ok with that
if we only have between 3-5 Mil to spend on a LF, save the $$$$ and platoon Heisey and Nix
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
We know HLM
but they’ve already payed him nearly $2 million to be on the team. He’s going to play, unless they acquire someone at a significantly higher salary.
yeah, that really frustrates me
Gomes showed he couldn’t get it done at the plate in 2010
What makes them think he’ll get it done in 2011?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Well, 2010 did represent his worst BB rate and ISO of any season of his career
a rebound on offense is not out of the question. Though he also had the 2nd-highest BABIP and easily the best K rate…his offense is always a real mixed bag. Who knows?
I’m with you, I dislike Gomes, but the Reds don’t. Let’s all just hope for a real Heisey coming-out party. That’s my tack.
Well, yeah
But the Reds like Gomes and he’s going to play. I’d rather start Heisey than platoon Nix and Gomes, but whuddaya gonna do?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Hope the Reds are right and Gomes proves me wrong
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the party. Pull up a chair.
We’re a few beers ahead of you, but I think you can catch up.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what kind of beer Gomes drinks
we should pass the RR hat around and deliver some to him
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
oh, all of a sudden I like him more
happen to know his favorite varietal?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
haven't a clue
I don’t drink.
The Enquirer had an article about how surprised his teammates are when they go out to eat and Gomes is the one asking for the wine list, but I don’t know if it said what kind of wine he likes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
it's all a ruse to throw people off
so one day Gomes will go berserker on everyone and rule the world
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 31, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Johnny Damon.....He's our man!
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 27, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Our current guys can OPS .756 like Caveman did last year,
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 28, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
but can they do it again without all those doubles from Nix?
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
They have a better shot at a .756 OPS...WITHOUT Damon.
Damon OPS’ed .756 last year. He is declining, so it’s hard to see how he could improve appreciably on that number.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Rhodes
The assumption that the Reds let Rhodes go because they were un-able to do anything else is starkly different from letting him go because they were un-willing to do anything else.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
Nix
I don’t see why people do not want him back. I’m not saying I want him to start or anything, but he has been decently productive the past two seasons. I really wish he would walk more, but he still puts up a good enough OPS and plays incredibly good defense. He has certainly been worth more than Gomes according to WAR.
WAR:
2009 – 2.0
2010 – 1.7
Why not offer him a ML contract at league minimum? Plus I like having him on the team so he can pound his first through Carpenter’s suck hole. You know if Scott Rolen ever gets out of the way and lets Popeye do the fighting.
"Me carrying a briefcase is like a hot dog wearing earrings." ~ Sparky Anderson
You're right, it wouldn't be terrible, but..
his career numbers vs. righties are .251/.293/.445.
I’m sure he’d do a bit better than that in 2011, but who knows by how much? It’s not like we’re talking about a guy who has a history of mashing righties. Honestly, I think Heisey would hit just as well and play just as good LF defense.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
agree 100%
That is why i would not approve paying Laynce! more than $500k. But, if all he wants is a guaranteed contract then give it to him.
I am also not suggesting that he play everyday. His slugging percentage and defense more than warrant a spot start here and there. Plus I like to scream his name with the emphasis on the “Y” every time he does something. If he leaves I lose that luxury, and I have to find someone else to make fun of.
"Me carrying a briefcase is like a hot dog wearing earrings." ~ Sparky Anderson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 27, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree that Scotty Pods and Gomer are very different players, neither of them are really all that good.
AMEN.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
seems like ....
we just plowed this Podsednik turf on another thread.
Maybe we ought to divide into two camps — them wantin’ Pods and them not wantin’ Pods.
And just not talk about it anymore.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
Not Wantin Pods
I call the brass knucks
"Me carrying a briefcase is like a hot dog wearing earrings." ~ Sparky Anderson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
imagine if we could combine Gomes power with Pods on base skills
maybe Walt has some plan.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 27, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
This
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"Me carrying a briefcase is like a hot dog wearing earrings." ~ Sparky Anderson
by BigBabyBruce on Dec 27, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
crolfs? verdict?
Bartius Flyicus
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 27, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can't capitalize the species name, silly.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
gahh...duh.
Total rookie move on my part.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 28, 2010 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hank-Rod?
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
I like it!
A lot.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 27, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't
Kill it with fire
Owners needed for NL-only fantasy baseball league....inquire within.
by cesarhernandez on Dec 27, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Goodwill
Its where I get all of mine.
Griffey Jr, both #30 and #3
Dunn,
Willy Mo Pena
Outfielders no longer with the Reds make HOTT jerseys.
Also, there is a great blog site for old jersey’s out there.
6-2, 185
on Jonny Gomes, of course!
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Redsfest?
I think that’s where Slyde got his Coutlangus jersey.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Question that doesn't warrant a fanshot or post.
I have gathered that “YRS” is the nickname some folks on RR have given Stubbs.
I missed the thread that gave birth to this nickname but my best guess is Young Robert Stubbs, correct?
If so, kudos. I love the initialized nicknames. My favorite all time is LLM. I would like to know whose brainchild these were.
Can anyone help me out with that?
"Avoid the Clap, Jimmy Dugan. That's good advice!"
the wiki can answer a lot of questions.
You would likely learn from the wiki that LLM originated with Red Hot Mama. That’s what my memory says anyway.
I’ve never seen YRS. Who’s propagating that one?
by Brian B on Dec 27, 2010 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes, LLM is from Red Hot Mama
Amanda was quite pleased that her nickname for Javier Valentin caught on.
She knows someone on the Reds staff, and he told Valentin that fans on the Internets called him “Latin Love Machine.” He was reportedly very embarrassed.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i miss LLM ...
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
by joshuar9476 on Dec 28, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
who would you rather have?
LLM, or Corky?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
27 year old Johnny Bench
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
LLM could play a respectable 3b or 1b in a pinch
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
respectable 3B!
I was there for his debut @ 3B!
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
LLM would not consent to being the 3rd catcher plying AAA
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 30, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Especially since he sat out last year and hasn't caught a game since 2008.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
As far as I know
Highlifeman is the only one who uses the nickname, “YRS”. He uses it as a term of derision. I think most people secretly think HLM is a jerk, so you shouldn’t hang out with him. I believe the RR trademarked™ nickname for Stubbs is LTP! or Light Tower Power!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 27, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I see.
I dont want to be associated with any uncool jerks around here. I gotta watch my rep, you know?
LTP it is!!!!
"Avoid the Clap, Jimmy Dugan. That's good advice!"
Haha
yeah, YRS is HLM-speak for Stubbies. He feels the need to be the yin to balance everyone’s yang love of Drew Stubbs. And Bronson Arroyo, and to some extent BP “the Franchise.” And if anyone has any love for Gomes, he’ll set you straight on that count as well.
he will also set you straight if you have compassion for poor people!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 27, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
hes a dadgummed property owner!
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 27, 2010 8:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a prerequisite to being useful!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 27, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
As much time as I spend here, I somehow miss out on most of these things.
by Brian B on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
RR mobile will do that to you
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 28, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
car & home!
oh wait, owning a car is probably a bad thing, right?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of car?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Currently?
Nissan Atlima
I’ve owned many cars
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
And killed many innocent men to acquire them?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I thought we killed Africans by owning new cellphones
according to Daedalus?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
that is fine then
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 30, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
you and your wife don't have kids
so a Cadilac Escalade would have probably been a bad answer.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 30, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
American SUVs aren't my speed
while I do want a SUV, it’ll be foreign when we get one
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 31, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
define poor
are you actively trying to better yourself, or improve your situation, or do you have your hand out and taking the easy/lazy way out?
if you’re tryin’ to do somethin’ about it, I’ll help you, but I’ll only work with you as much as you’ll work with me
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
What if you receive assistance while you work your way out?
Tell me HLM, what kind of financial system did you grow up in?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
as long as you're working your way out, I support that
I pay student loans monthly
However, if people have their hand out and aren’t going to try to work their way and will continue to have their hand out down the road….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
why would I take a shot at Bush?
I’ve never pretended to be a Democrat, although I’m not 100% a Republican either
I’m parts Libertarian and Federalist
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Federalism?
I thought that went out of style with powdered wigs…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
History is cyclical
Just like technology.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pagers are coming back in a big way
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
So is Rick James, bitch!
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
they've always been popular in the medical and illegal contraband industries
i’m wondering how a pager is all that much different than a pre-paid burn phone
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
nice
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think anybody really supports people who take their federal and state assitence
and doesn’t try to better them self.
I don’t want my tax dollars to go to support somebody who doens’t want to support themselves.
But I also know peopel who were saved by government assitence in times of family crisis.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 30, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Highlifeman's skepticism is rightfully grounded in facts and evidence
and the love of Drew Stubbs around her is like Scarabbles’s first experience with “adult love”: premature, sticky, and may prove to be very embarrassing and easily forgotten.
How he has impressed so many here, when his only demonstrable skill is catching everything with the glove and missing everything with the bat is odd.
Still, Charlie’s right, most people do secretly think HLM is a jerk
Even highlifeman admits that his criticism of Stubbs is grounded in him not being Tim Lincecum
Not sure what facts and evidence you’re talking about.
I don’t think it’s any secret why Stubbs is liked. His game is flashy – he’s super fast, plays a great centerfield, and blasts the occasional moon shot. A guy who walks a ton and plays cromulent defense might be as valuable, but it’s not as exciting.
There’s definitely a case to be made against Stubbs. He’s pretty streaky as a hitter, and more importantly he doesn’t make a ton of contact or walk at an exceptional rate. So long as his legs carry him to a high BABIP he’ll get on base at an acceptable rate, but he could easily have a season where he has bad luck with his batted balls or suffers a nagging leg injury that drags his BABIP down.
Also, this is by definition arbitrary with selective end points
But it’s pretty tough to have a good offensive season when you K as much as Stubbs without a ton of walks. Here’s a list of guys in the past 30 years that struck out 155 or more times in 550 or more PAs, with a 3:1 or worse BB/K ratio. Hopefully Stubbs gets a better sense of the strike zone as he progresses.
Also, and this is by definition arbitrary with selective endpoints
But it’s pretty tough to have a good offensive season when you K as much as Stubbs without a ton of walks. Here’s a list of guys in the past 30 years that struck out 155 or more times in 550 or more PAs, with a 3:1 or worse BB/K ratio. Hopefully Stubbs gets a better sense of the strike zone as he progresses.
"A guy who walks a ton and plays cromulent defense might be as valuable..".
…but he was traded to the Brewers for Jim fucking Edmonds
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I hated his choice of laundry detergent.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
what do you define as an acceptable rate?
IMO Stubbs needs to be on base more
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
1.000 is acceptable
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, how is it a secret if everyone openly talks about it?
isn’t the first rule of Fight Club not to talk about Fight Club?
I just want YRS to become everything that everyone already thinks he is after such a short career. And I want him to OPS .800. And continue to run like a gazelle.
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Gomes is awesome as a dude, and on some weird level I think he actually adds something to a team in the whole clubhouse factor
in terms of productivity as a baseball player, he’s next to useless
I’m sure I’ll grow to appreciate YRS once he starts OPSing .800, or learns to find 1B more often, but The Franchise pisses me off offensively, and on the basepaths. Defensively, stud. Same goes for YRS.
Bronson Arroyo, I’m besties with him.
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
nobody around here cares about rep ...
it’s all about the xFLIP, baby!
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
by joshuar9476 on Dec 28, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it's much of a secret that people think that I'm a jerk, but I'm really not
although can I really trust the opinions of BK, ’tHan, obc, jch, or Mads?
Tell me I’m a jerk to my face tomorrow, jerks!
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I will grant you this
you are not afraid to call a spade a spade. And you don’t take shit personally. I feel like in real life, you are the kind of guy who i would always know where you stand, which is a most admirable trait. You won’t stab me in the back, but rather in the chest.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I try my damndest to be consistent, even if sometimes people don't understand my POV or where the F I'm comin' from....
And I’m loyal to a fault….
I just have ridiculous standards for almost everything in my life, including athletes (largely due to the fact they get paid a lot of coin to play a game).
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
this does not warrant a fanshot of a fanpost
it warrants a front page story!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 27, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
This comment should be a fanshot
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 27, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
pretty sure YRS is my brainchild
although I’m also pretty sure RR is not proud that it’s my brainchild
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
What are everyone's thoughts on Grady Sizemore?
Don’t know if he’s available, but could be a buy low guy. Or maybe the Indians would still need a lot in return to move him. He’s set to make $8.75 mil next year which may be too much, but could make the cost of prospects down. Maybe a move to LF could keep him stay healthy and productive
I like my beer cold, my tv loud, and my homosexuals flaming.
Grady would be a fine addition
Also, anyone think Andruw Jones has anytning left? He’d be pretty cheap at this point.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 28, 2010 8:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd take a flier on Andruw Jones
basically the same skill set as Gomes but with better defense and probably less money.
Andrew over the last 3 seasons:
.204 avg
.312/.411/.724
seems like a waste of cash.
Gomes has a .801 OPS since joining the Reds.
Heisey compiled a .757 OPS in his partial rookie season.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 28, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Last 3 seasons seems a bit disingenuous
how about last 2 seasons: .332/.472/.804 OPS, virtually identical offensive production to Gomes, though admittedly in fewer ABs. Better walk rates and K rates, better defense, and an upward trend each of the past three years FWIW.
1 fWAR for Gomes to 2.7 for Jones in much less playing time, again FWIW.
I still think Jones is as good as Gomes or better. If he falls short on offense, he makes it up on defense.
For a million dollars, I would take a flier. Just like I would have on Kearns as well. It is really really easy to find upgrades to Gomes and for really cheap. Whether it is worth it to give them roster spots is a different debate. Is Jones significantly better than Heisey? That one I am not sure about, so I realize there is a debate to be had.
I like it
But I think the chances of it happening are almost zero. I don’t see any way that the team is going to be replacing Jonny Gomes with another right-handed bat, especially one that has a seemingly similar offensive skill set. He might be an upgrade, but I think it’s too much redundancy for the roster and the Reds front office isn’t looking to replace Gomes, seems at most, they want a platoon.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Would Gomes and Yonder bring more as a package than Yonder alone?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 28, 2010 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
Gomes’ salary is tradeable.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
as a salary dump
Gomes is a negative WAR guy
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 29, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
At $1.8 mil
he’s still valuable. Not very, but still valuable. Probably good for a PTNL.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
In a trade similar to THE TRADE, he would be Royce Clayton.
He’d fill a lineup spot and provide some production.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Indians have any reason to unload him now
He’s an MVP candidate if he’s healthy. He hasn’t been for a while now, so his stock is at an all-time low. They would be much better off at this point just playing him and seeing if he can regain some value. They can always trade him at the deadline. He’s also got an option for next season, so they have time.
Of course, if they want to sell him for pennies on the dollar, I would be more than happy to pay.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
on the other hand
If he’s worthless to the Indians, they may as well keep him and hope he can turn it around. They are going through the same thing with Travis Hafner, who has zero trade value at this point. But if they think they can get something for Sizemore still, I bet they’d deal him in a heartbeat before he turns out worthless like Pronk.
by Brian B on Dec 28, 2010 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Indians might want to unload Choo before this Cleveland star curse hits them...
The Indians’ stars seem to either fade or leave town…
Leave town- Sabbathia, Cliff Lee, Victor Martinez, Lebron
Fade- Hafner, Sizemore, Fausto Carmona (to an extent)
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
ahem
Manny, Thome, Craig Ehlo…
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or maybe they see him a someone who will be 28
on a rebuilding team next year who could be still bring them a decent young player or two in return. What would you be willing to give up for him and what do you think the Indians would ask for
I like my beer cold, my tv loud, and my homosexuals flaming.
Do you think he'd bring his mug?

@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 28, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Fay will have his beat writer job for the next millenium, because he is so adept at being a Reds shill
Is there nothing that man won’t blame payroll on?
the latest from Fay (and I made up the whole thing)
“This just in from the Reds front office: we’re sorry fans are disappointed because we have failed to improve our club this winter, and, possibly, weakened it instead. Fans should remember that the Reds never have any money. I reached Big Bob on his private jet, as he flew back from a tough vacation in the Caribbean, and he was disappointed to not make any moves. He added the franchise is not as rich as the fatcats in that huge market in Milwaukee or those bankrupt Rangers.”
I wonder if it hurts Fay when the Reds corporate officials stick their hands inside him and treat him like a ventriloquist dummy?
by timb116 on Dec 28, 2010 11:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This
It’s kind of frustrating to look at almost every single possible signing/trade/etc and have to dismiss the possibility due to mulah.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
It could also be that ....
… the Reds are not as interested in finding 35-year-old formerly good baseball players who might hobble through a season in left field just because the guy we have is a non all-star.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
If we were limiting the budget discussion to that, then you would have a case
but EVERY move the front office contemplates to make a team a better is just impossible according to Fay. Why, just think, if he came into Bob’s office and announced he blew a 13 million dollar hole on his budget to get Greinke (this is the ACTUAL example from the essay)…just think how much trouble he would be in!
the fact that he would physically have to go into Bob’s office, because the phone lines were down due to season ticket requests, is unmentioned. Greinke probably pays for himself (and, I’m only mentioning it because it’s Fay’s chosen example). We are asked to think small, because Fay is told to and he dutifully passes it on. That’s not journalism; it’s not even reporting; it’s stenography for a 3rd party.
I could also assume that ...
discussion about player personnel moves are probably not the sort of topic that the ballclub is willing to share with the blogosphere. Making trades for established veterans isn’t like swapping baseball cards.
I realize there are budgets and the one that Jocketty states is the Reds to follow is probably accurate depending on variables that he can’t necessarily share.
The ongoing belief that Greinke was going to somehow manufacture 15,000 more season ticket sales is folly. Reds fans are not that gullible. The guy can pitch, yes. I will stop at that for the moment.
What we do here on RR is discuss whether some has-been outfielder is an upgrade for $2 million and Walt is probably saying he can spend that money better on scouting. Walt didn’t call me back to confirm this, however.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
by johnu1 on Dec 28, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trees versus forest again. This is about Fay's article and his knee jerk rectiation of spin
not about who is plugged into left. Specifically, Fay is NOT discussing LF or SS. he is discussing Rhodes and why he walked.
John, I asked you imagine a rebuttal to Fay’s reflexive mouth-piecing. Fay’s example (from his article) is wrong. If he has a 13 million gap to fill, Walt could make a minor trade to dump some salary and count on this:
On Weds. the Milwaukee Brewers announced that since the Sunday afternoon when news of the Zack Greinke trade with the Royals broke, the club had added over 1,500 new season seat account holders. That compares to 400 new account holders who signed on during the first two-plus months of the off-season at the same time last year.
But what about suite sales? Since news of the trade broke, the Brewers say that they have secured renewals on two of their Founders Suites, which are located on the Field Level. They have also renewed five Club Suites (Club Level) and have also had a number of inquiries from potential new customers regarding Club Suite availability.
In many ways, the Greinke trade is likely to generate more revenue than when they worked the trade with the Indians for CC Sabathia in 2008. That was an in-season deal that happened just before the All-Star Game, and therefore couldn’t be leveraged toward season ticket and suite purchases.
1500 new season ticket holders in 3 days? That ain’t 13 million, but it’s on the road to somewhere.
I would need to start at the beginning
before I could rebut anything. That’s difficult to do on a forum posting board.
I am not a supporter of Fay’s journalism, if that’s part of the discussion.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
I miss you
even more than I miss Johnu1.
I mean, it’s not that I agree with you most of the time, but you’d probably be my favorite RR to get into a drunken argument with. I mean that in all highest esteem.
It would be a duty and an honor to wield a broken beer bottle in your direction. And saying that, I agree with you 100% on this Greinke bit.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
drunken i love you man?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 28, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
She's got a bush like a porcupine!
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
High compliment indeed
pun intended! And, right back at you.
I really, really, really, have mixed feelings about Fay…..he has a tough job, constantly surrounded by slavish spinmeisters and corporate fellaters, who he thinks he needs if he is going to tell his stories, but he never using his critical faculties. It’s really like he’s a puppeteer on the budget issues and always has been.
Fay’s the first guy (even before Sheldon for goodness sake, who is an MLB employee!) to write the post-fire sale story that says "Even though _, overpaid veteran, was moved yesterday, don’t expect the Reds to be able to do anything in a more open market, since arbitration cases and raises will eat up any savings.
At the same time, he’s the only one alive who feigns like he doesn’t understand the business of baseball, i.e. a baseball owner shouldn’t mind year-to-year minor “losses,” (especially since their books are closed and we don’t know how much they make). What we do know is that any yearly loss is MORE than covered when an owner SELLS the team.
Here are some examples. Once upon a time, a lackwit guy with a famous name scraped up 500,000 to buy a 1.8% stake in the Texas Rangers in 1988 (for a grand total of 86 million). Since he agreed to be the face of the team, his partners officially upped his stake in the team from 1.8% to 10%. In 1998, after forcing a stadium deal through, the Rangers were sold for 250 million and George W’s cashed out at 14.9 million (in 10 years he turned 500,000 into 14.9 million!)
In 1984 Marge Schott bought controlling interest in the Reds for 13 million. She reluctantly sold her stake Carl Lindner for 67 million in 1999 (15 years = 54 million!) Nice deal for her, but Lindner was always smarter and has been buying and selling governments here and abroad for 50 years. He got his new stadium and sold the team 7 years later for 270 million! (a 203 million dollar difference). *
Is Fay the only one who doesn’t know these guy play the long game? Their budget number is an arbitrary number, which can’t be proved is anywhere near reality. Yet Fay treats it like it was found scribbled next to the Ten Commandments or is a mathematical constant along the lines of e=mc2!
I call bs on that. Fay knows and yet dutifully reports the corporate spin because…..that’s his idea of journalism? I know that about budgets and it annoys me every time I see it.
- numbers not adjusted for inflation, but still…….
PS Sorry for the long post, but sometimes I’m being an ass for a reason.
by timb116 on Dec 29, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have a hard time believing the Reds have lost money in even one season over the last twenty
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
1994 called
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
every team makes money every year
I refuse to believe otherwise until they open up their goddamn books
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that
and also I think Bob, unlike Fay, probably knows that in the long run a winner, that isn’t like the 1998 Marlins, will make more money than a loser, so making investments in players, that may even cause a one year shortfall, could pay off over time.
Last summer I went to several sellouts, against teams like Atlanta. There is nothing special about Atlanta, it was just a weekend serier in August when the Reds were contending.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with justin and timb that owning a baseball franchise is an equity business...
…where an owner can lose money each year and still make a killing selling the franchise later, as long as the franchise isn’t sent completely into the crapper. And even those in the crapper are usually worth more than what they were purchased for.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
There's a chart over at bizofbaseball showing over the past 12 years the NL Central payrolls
Here. I think the Brewers and Reds are interesting comps. They’re pretty close for most of this time, and then the Brewers start to spend more around 2008, right after their first winning season in forever and while they’re in the hunt for the playoffs. It would be nice to see a similar payroll bump now that the Reds are contending. But in the team’s defense Milwaukee’s attendance has been much stronger over the past several years.
Those are some great numbers about team values, but I would think that payroll is more dependent on revenues rather than the increased value of the team. If I buy a house for 100k and somehow it increases in value to 500k, it shouldn’t affect on my day-to-day spending.
Agreed.
Cool graph there, except that the jackass who created it chose to use the color Red for the Brewers and orange for the Reds.
arg
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
If 's not $13 million, then you shouldn't say it is.
It’s entirely possible that signing Zack loses them money. You don’t know – at all.
1500 season tickets @ $68 per game for 82 home games (assuming, for the sake of argument, that every new season ticket holder gets Field Diamond Box seats and that there are enough available seats to accommodate this) = $8,364,000. The actual number is far, far less, as some season tickets are for cheap seats, and a reduction in some ticket sales due to fewer awesome seats available to the general public (if I can’t get good seats per game, I prefer to watch on TV).
What’s more, Maury Brown who wrote the article is a shitty, shitty journalist. The title of his article is “Not Just Tickets, Brewers See Increase in Suite Sales After Greinke Trade.” If you read your own quote, you see that NOT A SINGLE NEW SUITE HAS BEEN SOLD. Not one. They are merely renewals from last year. Sure, there were some inquiries…as there are every year for every team. I inquired about banging Chrissie Snow in 10th grade, but that doesn’t mean I got anywhere near her panties. Maury Brown’s title is a lie.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
They've talked about suite sales on the news
I tried to find a reference to it, but couldn’t. Someplace I also saw a back of the envelope estimate that referenced the average price of a season ticket along with parking and concessions projections of what the numbers meant and it was $3 million for the 1500 extra seats.
They are still selling seats – that was just a number to show how quickly they were selling. The biz guy also estimated that their projected renewal rate for season ticket sales would be 90 percent rather than 85. Plus merchandise has been hot. I could see him generating 13 million in revenue, but the forgotten part of the formula is the 4 guys and their 23 years of service time, 11 of them at minimum pay.
I guess I am content ... knowing
that if the Reds had needed Zack Greinke to contend, there could have been a deal made. Or at least one attempted.
Brewers didn’t just exclaim “wow did we get lucky!” when they got Greinke. They knew he would spark immediate interest and that’s who bought the tickets. Perhaps it was impulse buyers, but I would guess that the team has a pretty good idea of that demographic. It was probably more “contend and I will come back” type buyers.
Any spike in sales is going to generate PR interest. That’s what they do. Your friends are all buying tickets, so get yours before it’s too late!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
the other thing is
the Reds may not have wanted to give up what it takes to get Greinke.
How is more likely to help the Reds win 95 games next year, Greinke or Drew Stubbs? (I don’t know that they wanted Drew Stubbs, but the Royals gave them an MLB ready center fielder).
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 29, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
you read that as a guarantee of 13 million in revenue in less than a month? I said it was a rebuttal, not-an-etched-into-the-fabric-of-the-Universe fact.
It's not my fault that you posted some horseshit that I called out for being horseshit.
Greinke probably pays for himself
…13 million dollar…(this is the ACTUAL example from the essay)…
You said it. You cited it. Then you repeated the number again. There’s nothing personal here, I am just pointing out that the article and numbers you were citing were erroneous. Which they are.
No, I did not read it as a guarantee of return within a month. I didn’t insinuate anything like that. You said that Greinke probably pays for himself, and the article doesn’t establish that AT ALL.
I don’t think that on RR you can reasonably expect to post a debatable-to-doubtful forecast based on a horribly-written, misleading article without anyone challenging the information and your conclusion.
I think perhaps you meant to reply, “Fuck…you’re right that they haven’t sold any new suites. What a fuckup by that writer, he misled me. I still think Zack pays for himself, though. Does anyone have any more concrete info or some good comps? I’d like to know what the real scoop is.”
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
The article
provides confirmed detail of 1,500 season ticket sales in 4 days or whatever. Considering that they sold 400 in more than a couple months suggests that that alone will pay a significant portion of his salary. You’re getting kind of hyperbolic because the headline doesn’t match the copy, but regardless renewing suites and getting new inquiries is significant as well. Two losing seasons means declining revenues. Maybe its a matter of parsing or perhaps its details that the writer is aware of that can’t be reported as having come to fruition. People don’t walk up to the ticket window to purchase suites.
The discussion also omits other sources of revenue.
Your earlier post already convinced me that the Brewers might make money on this.
I was merely refuting that article and conclusions based solely upon it.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds are spending as much money as either one of those teams
The problem is we are spending our money on players like Cordero instead of guys like Greinke.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 28, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
So far this offseason,
Aside from Lee, Werth, and Crawford, has anyone signed a contract larger than the one that Bruce signed?
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As timb says
Bruce’s contract pays less than $3 million in 2011. Tons of players have signed contracts bigger than that.
Since this is about the 2011 budget, we should look at 2011 salaries.
All I'm saying is...
It feels like the Reds haven’r done anything this offseason. But, in reality, with the Arroyo and Bruce signings, they’ve put out a lot of money. It’s just that those guys aren’t additions.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 28, 2010 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And both of those guys were under control anyway
so really, they have made 0 additions to the team. And both are making less than what they would have made if they hadn’t signed extensions. Call that $7 million saved. Then consider that OCab and Rhodes are off the payroll now, another $5 million, and we should have extra money, but apparently not. Arb. cases I guess gonna cost $12 million. With Votto in the mix, I guess it could…
At the end of the day, the Reds have still made no additions to the team.
But they did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Well, they sure can't afforf the Hilton.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
According to Cott's the 2010 Brewers payroll was 90
As far as the Rangers are concerned, I think they were offering some dude 20 million per annum, and that’s a year after being bankrupt and borrowing from MLB. They made a move last season that is unthinkable to Fay…..
You might have missed the actual thesis for the snarky middle, but I will stand by it and still feel badly that the Reds pay 12 million dollars for a sucky closer
An argument could be made
that DM is spending money on Greinke because he spent money on Suppan, Hall, Riske, Hoffman version 2, Mota, Gagne and some I forget.
This year with a glovely, light hitting SS in the minors, he’s spending money on Yuni. I’d kind of like to see a compilation of all the nicknames that guy has had.
He's being a shill to try to get a source
I’ve never seen a Reds beat writer with zero Reds sources like teh Fya.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
MLBTR name dropped Fred Lewis as someone the Reds could be looking at.
I didn’t know this guy even existed, but he is apparently a speedy corner outfielder with a career line of .272/.348/.414 overall and a career .280/.354/.442 vs. RHP. He led off for the Blue Jays last year and probably could be had for close to the league minimum. I would be willing to bet that he could put up similar or better numbers to Scotty Pods for a fraction of the price, not to mention he is 4 years younger. Not that this is all that exciting of a potential signing, but if the Reds are interested in a speedy LH LF to platoon with Gomes for a small price, this wouldn’t be a terrible idea. Anyone have any insight on Lewis?
Watch it, ass blood.
I remember him coming up with some hype as a tools guy
But the Giants traded him a year ago for peanuts, and I’m not exactly sure why. But I’d kick the tires on him.
I see him as Jason Ellison but gets in base by hitting a shit ton of singles.
Probably not fair to compare him to Ellison, but I always got them confused when they both played for the Giants.
by Brian B on Dec 28, 2010 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
gawd
I’d almost forgotten about Matt Lawton. Possibly the worst OFer I have ever seen. He chased balls like a kitten chasing a ball of string. Got caught juicing, which made me wonder what his .125 batting average would have been without the ’roids.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'd definitely be down with this.
Only thing is, it was reported a couple weeks ago that 7-8 teams were interested in him, and he wants to be an everyday player.
But if he can’t get anyone to guarantee him an everyday job, I’d think the Reds would be a pretty good candidate for his services. He’ll get way more than league minimum, since he’d be arb eligible for the first time this season, but I’d guess he could be had for 2ish. I’d certainly rather spend 2 mil on him than Pods, that’s for damn sure.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I don't think there'd be any reason to platoon Lewis with Gomes
Lewis is better all around than Gomes is and doesn’t have a large platoon split anyway.
I doubt Lewis will sign for less than Scott Podsednik, since he’s both better and younger. And Lewis just isn’t all that great anyway. Once again, I just don’t see how he is any better than Chris Heisey.
Over his career he's got a .796 OPS against RHP, .650 against LHP
That’s pretty big. And I think Heisey would play better defense, but I don’t trust him to OPS around .800 vs. RHP.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Dec 28, 2010 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's against relievers
LOOGYs usually hurt pretty bad against lefty hitters, which is why they have a job in the first place. .777 vs RH to .722 vs LH is a closer estimate of the platoon split.
(This actually made me do a double take at B-R info, because Fred Lewis has more plate appearances against RH starters than he does against RHP in general. It makes no sense how they compile their numbers for platoon splits. Performance against righties and lefties is all mixed together in the performance against starters, and as Fred Lewis illustrates, it is apparently mixed in the overall splits as well. I am greatly disappointed by this.)
After the Giants traded Lewis to Toronto.
he reportedly called some SF fans “fags” on his Facebook and Twitter. He also is said ti have frustrated Giants fans by botching routine defensive plays.
Lewis can hit a little and can run. How he’d mesh in the clubhouse, who knows? He reportedly was well-liked in the SF clubhouse, but the Giants gave him to Toronto reportedly for a mere $75,000.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 28, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather get Felix Pie
I’m sure this stems from my burning hatred of the Cubs. But nothing would make me happier than paying Pie $500,000 to play like Soriano used to play, while the Cubs pay Soriano $18MM to play like a turd.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 28, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fast Freddie Lewis
is the Vince Coleman to Freddie Freeman’s Fred McGriff. That said, I’d take him for <2mill
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Here's some Rotowire info (paywall):
12/3/10: Lewis hit .262 with eight homers and 17 steals in 110 games for Toronto but became expendable after the team acquired Rajai Davis from the A’s earlier this offseason.
9/23/10: Lewis will undergo bunion surgery on his left foot and miss the rest of the season, the Associated Press reports.
Lewis dealt with the bunion earlier this season and had a similar surgery on his right foot in September 2008. The Blue Jays acquired him from San Francisco earlier this season, but he’s been getting very little playing time this month while stuck behind Travis Snider. Lewis finishes the 2010 season with a .262 average, 31 doubles, eight homers, 70 runs and 36 RBI in 110 games. He also added 17 steals.
7/6/10:
He stole 21 bags when he played for the Giants in 2008, but he only has 16 nabs in the two years since.
2010 Fantasy Baseball Outlook:
Lewis turned in an extremely disappointing 2009 campaign, hitting just .258 with four homers and eight steals over 295 at-bats. His line against southpaws was an atrocious .164/.292/.200, with just one RBI all season. Lewis’ high strikeout rate finally caught up to him, and he no longer looks like the team’s answer in left field. His outlook for 2010 is as the Giants’ fourth outfielder.
Last year he was on the DL with a sore ribcage, had a strained abdominal muscle, missed games when he fouled a ball off of his foot, and apparently has had bunion problems for years.
On the face of this, I’d like him on the team as a <$2MM platoon partner for Gomes…which might be a worse choice than just letting Heisey start in LF.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Also, his career fielding percentage in LF is a lousy .972.
In the minors it was even worse. In nearly 1000 pro games in LF, his pro fielding percentage is less than .970. FP is a lousy stat, but it works OK as a shit detector. 15 outfield assists in 309 MLB LF games does not compare favorably to his 14 errors in that span.
Defensively, both UZR and +/- are fans of Lewis, despite his poor reputation among Giants fans in Tom Tango’s Fan Scouting Report. Both systems have Lewis between +9 and +11 over his 326 game career, which would still make him a below average position-neutral defender over 150 games.
Some FanGraphs comments that seem level-headed and relevant:
Hitters with a .355 career OBP and a walk rate over 10% don’t just grow on trees.
Lewis…resisted when Bochy wanted to move him back to leadoff and utilize his OBP, saying that he has the power to stay batting third. That is what got him in the doghouse with Bochy there.
You either love him or hate him. He’s loved by more stat-oriented fans for his OBP, patience and above average defensive numbers. He’s hated by the more casual (as far as stats go) fans for looking like he’s LF on ice skates and striking out a lot.
He was not happy about batting leadoff last year, even though he was probably the best fit on the team for it. He didn’t do well there, and gave the strong impression that he didn’t want to try and make it work.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Question:
Is Lewis still under team control with the Jays or is he a free agent? And if he is a free agent, how would he go to arbitration without a team?
Watch it, ass blood.
MAC officials can all fucking blow me.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
My cousin runs a wildlife management area
They have to be careful about the populations of the animals. If too many fawns survive the season, some of them must be culled. Let me tell you something… Bambi was easily the tastiest of all the Disney characters.
When you come to the fork in the road, take it.
by poojols on Dec 29, 2010 8:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd hit that.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 29, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
You ain't 'et elephant meat?
I seen a horsefly
I seen Drew Stubbs fly
but I ain’t never seen no elephant fly.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
Pharyngobolus africanus disagrees.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Dec 29, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You see that?
That’s my boy right there!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
What, did it get hit by a truck?
Off flying in the air with the greatest of ease.
Put the fucker in left field and tell it to bat 6th.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
clean hit
the bike looks fine
is the deer a metaphor for lack of reds movement this off season?
C I N C I N N A T I R E D S
Yes, because as Fay has pointed out repeatedly, the Reds don't have any bucks
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 30, 2010 6:38 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I guess they do have a little doe, right?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
by johnu1 on Dec 30, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not too fawned of these puns.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Dec 31, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
deer god
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 31, 2010 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Regarding Scrabbles thinking there is still a bit of money to spend...
How about any of the following as IF subs/SS alternatives:
Eckstein: Plays 2B/SS, made $850K last year
Guzman, C.: Plays 2B/SS, but made a lot of money last year. Need to take a big pay cut.
Lopez: Plays 3B/2B/SS, former Red that is probably the best of the lot, but does he cost a draft pick?
Renteria/OCab: What’s the most we would pay to bring either of these guys in?
I'd pay to get rid of Slo-Cab
Which the Reds actually did, come to think of it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't think FeLo costs a draft pick, (though I could be wrong)
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Felipe Lopez is a Type B free agent, so he wouldn't cost the Reds any picks.
He’s a Type B free agent, but the Red Sox will need to decline the option, offer arbitration, and have him turn it down to sign a big league deal elsewhere if they’re to get a draft pick.
A Class B free agent is ranked below the top 20 percent but in the top 40 percent of players at his position. A team that loses a Type B player receives a supplemental pick, but the signing team does not lose a pick.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 31, 2010 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
He made $1 million last year with the Cardinals...
If his salary isn’t going to be higher than that, I could see at least looking at him.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
was he the one
the Reds supposedly got rid of because he was boinking someone in the front office?
Or was that Kearns?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
wow, very cool if true
We need her picture so we can Jen Sterger her all over the Internet.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
he has a bit of a reputation for being less than a great guy to be around.
deserved or no.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
The Cards cut him towards the end of the year for arriving late to meetings
He isn’t the first guy to not get along with TLR, but I think there is a reason he’s bounced around.
by ken on Jan 1, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
it is probably also because he is mediocre.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Jan 1, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
O/T
JoePos thinks Larkin is a Hall of Fame definite.
I recommend reading the others in the series; they’re all quite good
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
Dusty Baker on RR
HOF update
According to Repoz’s tally, Larkin has about 70% of the vote. Bear in mind that this is only 60 ballots out of 500+, but in looking at some of our threads from last year the final Repoz number was only about five percentage points higher than Larkin’s final number, 51.6%.
I’ll feel good if Larkin approaches 70%. I don’t think anyone’s gotten that close without getting voted in, especially within a few years of appearing on the ballot.
Yeah, he'll make it in
Just not this year.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 30, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
4 of the 7 Chicago Tribune writers voted for Larkin
Somewhat disappointing since they should’ve seen him play.
by ken on Jan 1, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Interestingly enough...
As it turns out, 3 of the 7 Chicago Tribune writers will be struck by lightning tomorrow.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 1, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
was Ozzie Smith a first ballot?
if Smith was a first ballot and Larkin is not, that is some fucking bullshit, as Smith was litterly half the shortstop Larkin was.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Jan 1, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
completely different style ballplayers though
so I don’t know that your argument has much weight
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 1, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Ozzie Smith is Paul Janish. But I did just look up Smith’s fangraphs page, and I am shocked to see how much value he got form defense. He and Larkin had similar WAR’s but Larkin struggled to stay on the field, and played less games and less seasons than Smith.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Jan 1, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Larkin was kind of the bridge between the no hit/all field SS and the ARod, Jeter, Garciaparra, Tejada class
Smith was a guy that gave hope to a guy named Omar Vizquel (who will get into the HOF before Larkin, unfortunately)
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
by "bridge"
do you mean “was as good as but didn’t shoot ’roids and have his testes shrink?”
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 2, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Jeter did 'roids?
as much as I hate Jeter defensively, dude can rake
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You used the word 'can'
That seems to imply that he’s still doing it. Last year, being the most recent sample, disagrees.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
and he's not getting any younger
however, I don’t think Jeter is a ’roider
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
and that's fine
and he’s one of the most overrated defensive players I’ve ever seen
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are you aware that Ozzie Smith stole nearly 600 bases
and hit at a nearly league average level (WAY better than the average SS of his era) for 19 seasons while playing probably the best defensive SS in MLB history?
I don’t get why people begrudge Ozzie’s HoF status. His defense was otherwordly, and everyone agrees about it. And his offense was fine.
by kcgard2 on Jan 2, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The begrudge him his HOF status
because he was no better than Larkin, and yet Larkin is somehow not getting into the hall.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
completely different players
Ozzie Smith is a no-brainer HOF
Barry Larkin unfortunately is only a no-brainer to Cincy fans, and people who really follow the game
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 2, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I never saw Ozzie play anyway, I just know Larkin should be in.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

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