Rhodes to sign with the Rangers
The deal is for one year with a vesting option for 2012, and the contract will be finalized once Rhodes passes a physical. Should we go after another left handed reliever? or should we use the money to trade for Upton... I know what I would do
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best of luck to the colossus
But man, this makes not offering him arbitration burn a bit.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 23, 2010 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
was just gunna fanshot this too
looks like we got some more money to play with. Really hope it doesn’t go to Pods. I wonder if he would’ve accepted arb. I bet he would have. But it sure would’ve been nice to get 2 picks for him.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
You can't really play that game, though.
I doubt the Rangers, or anyone else, would’ve offered him nearly as much money if it would’ve cost a draft pick. If they’d have offered him arb he would’ve ended up on the Reds one way or the other. Not that that would’ve been bad, but we were never getting compensation for him.
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yeah, this was my thinking too
just poorly worded.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
agreed
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Also
really really hope this doesn’t mean Chapman is in the pen. Start him in AAA PLEASE
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
Hasn't he come out and said he wants to be in the 'pen?
I feel like he said that. Correct me if I’m wrong.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I don't believe he has
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by BK on Dec 23, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
You know, that could be completely false.
Now that I think about it I heard it from my uncle (the uncle who thinks Rolen and Gomes are the best players on the team and that Votto is overrated.)
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
he has said that
He said he wants to be a starter long term but he wants to pitch out of the bullpen next year.
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by Slyde on Dec 23, 2010 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay, so my uncle was right on this one.
That’s exactly what he said. Apparently Chappy wants to be a starter by 2012, but he wants to be in the bullpen next year.
I definitely think he should be starting in AAA next year, but it’s whatever.
"I bet that sex Bengals fan is really pissed now." -DT3428
I'll be pissed if he's not starting next year
if they want to put him in the pen later in the year, I’m ok with that.
Arredondo will take his spot if he's healthy, and we'd still have Bray from the left side
Not to mention, Willis might get a look there too if he doesn’t make the rotation.
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by BK on Dec 23, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
no chance Willis makes the rotation
I think he was signed with the pen in mind, and most likely the AAA pen at that.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I disagree
Willis has more potential than Nick Masset ever did. I think it is going to a a quality contributor next year.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
if he's a quality contributor, it'll be from the bullpen
He’s gotta be like 8th on the SP depth chart. He hasn’t had a BB/9 under 6 since his Marlins years. I like the signing as a virtual no risk/potential (however small) high reward deal, but if D-Train is starting games for us this year, we’re in trouble. Unless he magically has figured something out
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
He had it figured out then lost it.
Do not underestimate Bryan Price….and if D-Train is starting games at the 5 spot, then that means he has it back.
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 25, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
if you look at his peripherals he was never that great
he was deceiving, and it is quite possible that they figured him out.
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by justin007000 on Dec 26, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
“You can fool some of the hitters all the time, and all of the hitters some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the hitters all the time.”
Dontrelle Willis
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by Madville on Dec 26, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"You can be on my team
if I can be on yours."
I said that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 26, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, in that if he's starting games for us
not as an injury replacement, then he has it back. I just don’t think he gets “it” back. Would love to be proven wrong, however.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
and Pocket Presto!
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 23, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
freaking screwball
that shit hurts when you try to throw, especially when you’re not used to throwing hard anyway.
flash in the pan'd
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Best of luck Arthur
You will always be a bad, bad man
"Those fellas make some good points," Baker said. "They're profane as hell, and they're probably gay, but they make some good points."
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by DTFH91 on Dec 23, 2010 6:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sheldon confirms
http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/12/reds_lose_rhodes_to_rangers.html
I’ve heard 8M for two years if the second year vests. That’s a lot for a reliever in his forties. Best of luck, Arthur. He instantly becomes the most likely player on Texas to actually become or confront a Texas Ranger.
SI is reporting $8 million, too
That’s too much, at least for the Reds. They have decent options in house.
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by Pops Daniels on Dec 23, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I just really want chapman to be a starter
If he is in the pen next year then they are giving up on him way too soon
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Now who’s gonna scare the young bullpeners shitless?
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by ZJiff30 on Dec 23, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Welllll played
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by BK on Dec 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
So long and best of luck...
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
"'Rhodes? Where we're going we don't need Rhodes."
/actually makes sense now!
(All the best to the All Star)
by the finest muffins on Dec 24, 2010 12:04 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
I remember getting him and being like, "Pssh, what the hell are we getting Arthur Rhodes for?"
And then I fell in love with the guy. A great member of a great team. We’ll miss you, Colossus. At least he’s closer to home now.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 24, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
felt the same way
“A 40 year old lefty specialist?” I said, ignorantly. Little did I know, the coolest motherfucker around just joined our team.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
that's racist!
Why’s he got to be a “mother fucker?” Is that jive talk?
.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
So Herrera and Bray are our lefties in the pen this year, eh?
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
and Chapman, I would guess
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hush your foul mouth.
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by justin007000 on Dec 24, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I really don't understand the "Chapman to the 'pen is the end of the world" argument
Even if he’s there next year, that’s not a guarantee that he won’t be able to start in the future. I’d rather see him in the ’pen over cruising around Louisville in his Lamborghini.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
Is a timely call-up too much to ask?
I want him to get more starting experience under his belt in Louisville and then get called up when the playoff race gets into full swing (God, it’s awesome to be worried about the playoff race.)
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by sexsalad on Dec 24, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
his problem is he still needs to work on pitch economy and going deeper into games, he ain’t going to learn that in the MLB bullpen.
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by justin007000 on Dec 24, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
It's not, and honestly I'd be fine if that's the way they decide to use him
I just don’t think there’s any wrong way for the Reds to use him at this point. No matter what, he’ll be contributing where he’s needed and it’s still very likely he’ll end up a starter in the long run. I just don’t understand the “if he pitches in the bullpen in 2011, he’s a sunk cost” argument. If the rotation is solid without him there, what’s the harm in having the best damn reliever in baseball to call on?
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
it takes away from him developing his secondary stuff and learning how to be a starter
I’m with you on it not being the end all of his chances to be a starter, but its also time he could use to develop his third and fourth pitches in game situations, that and learning to conserve his FB and get deep into games. If they want to call him up half way through the season and stick him in the pen, I’m fine with that, but I want him starting at least some next year.
ya but the other side
is that he could be up in the pen, winning games for the big team, and not for Louisville. And suggesting that he won’t develop 3rd and 4th pitches is kinda ignorant. There’s winter ball and a whole lot of spring training. These guys are training and working year round, they aren’t only pitching during the regular season. There is plenty of time to work on that stuff.
If the Reds need him in the pen, I say stick him in there for another year. If the Reds go through spring training, and feel that maybe some of their young starters are shaky, then ya, save him for a starter spot. But man, they really need to be thinking about winning games from April to October—the division is going to be a lot tougher next year. St Louis owned the Reds head to head last year, there’s no guarantee they will stumble on Chicago and Houston next year. And it’s looking like the Brewers will be competitive as well. Almost certainly will require more than 87 wins to finish first in the division in 2011.
supposedly he's already developed the pitches
I just mean using them in-game. perhaps i’m overrating the importance of that, but I still like the idea of him getting mentally used to useing them to certain hitters, certain counts, certain situations or whatever.
I’m also worried about him building his innings, if we place him in the pen this year, I’m worried he’ll need extra years to prepare to start, and up his injury risk because he’ll be pressured to extend himself as a starter. again, I might be overrating that aspect as well.
as for competeing in the division next season, I’m all for that, but I see our one glaring weakness compared to those teams – the lack of an ace starter. If we need to sacrifice a few wins in April may and june next year (also tough to say how valuable an extra reliever is then anyway) I’m all for it if the gains the next few years down the line when/if we get that elusive piece this team needs.
well, it seems almost certain
they would start ST giving Chapman a chance to compete with all the others for a rotation spot. The only locks on the rotation would be Arroyo and Cueto. All the others competing for the last 3 spots. Obviously if Chapman is blowing away Volquez and the other guys, then they will almost surely start him.
Though Chapman has awesome velocity and movement, I don’t think he’s going to be an ace for us just yet. If anything, his competitors such as Volquez or Wood may be closer to being able to reach that mark.
You make some excellent points in your post, but perhaps underrate the difficult situation our bullpen may be in. Cordero could bounce back in a contract year, but he could also get worse. Beyond Cordero there really aren’t any proven guys in the bullpen. So, just saying, I hope there isn’t too much griping that Dusty/Jocketty are morons if Chapman ends up in the ’pen for 2010.
I wonder
I think it’s pretty rare for a player to really win a spot in spring training, and when it happens, it’s usually a bench player – 25th guy on the roster. Spring training is too small a sample size and too strange a situation – pitchers “working on stuff,” hitters fooling around, managers giving everyone a shot rather than having players play complete games, etc. I would guess teams already know what they’re going to do with players like Chapman going into spring training.
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mike leake would like a word with you.
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by justin007000 on Dec 27, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
holy cow
Rex Ryan is a wild one.
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THIS IS THE SCARLETT HE MARRIED
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While I wouldn't want to commit that contract to Arthur,
this signing scares me in two ways: Pods looks like a more likely acquisition, and Chapman in the pen (permanently?) looks much more likely.
Good luck Arthur.
One bright side
We don’t have to hear the stupid “Sir Arthur” nickname anymore. Seriously, shouldn’t it have been King Arthur if you wanted to go in that direction?
Though I will miss, “And Arthur Rhodes did what Arthur Rhodes does.”
by Brendanukkah on Dec 24, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe whoever came up with that nickname just really liked Guinness.
by the finest muffins on Dec 24, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
But what am I going to do with my fancy new mat?
by the finest muffins on Dec 24, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Be careful...
You might loose a turn.
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The Fay
says the Reds have more cash to spend now that Rhodes is gone.
But not signing Rhodes means the Reds have some money to spend elsewhere. I figure they had about $4 million budgeted for Rhodes. Rhodes’ deal is for one year but it could be worth up to $8 million if vesting options for a second year is met. I think the second year was the deal breaker for the Reds.
Now, the money could be used to sign a left-handed hitting outfielder (Scott Podsednik) or a backup shortstop (Edgar Renteria) or rehabbing starting pitcher (Brandon Webb).
He also says it’s slow going on the Votto front. I think he really wants to go to arb.
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Wait, wait, wait
The Fay told me that the Reds have no money and are talking to no one… this Fay must be an impostor!
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
they have money now that someone else
bought the spiffy Rhodes in the window.
They aren’t talking to anyone, according to Bob Miller. (Except Votto’s people, and they aren’t getting anywhere with that). Teh Fay just thinks they might/should start calling around, now that they have money,
He doesn’t the Reds would be interested in Pods, though he’s not saying Rosenthal is wrong.
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wow, those guys!
Pods,
Renteria,
Webb
Be still my heart!
I thought we were done scrounging the landfill for leftover players.
Is there NO faith whatsoever in our young players?
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only one I'd be OK with is Webb
and that’s ONLY if it’s a seriously incentive laden deal with a low base salary. Which I doubt he accepts, unless he really does wanna be near Ashland.
Joey Votto on Colin Cowherd: "I don’t know who he is"
I want Webb
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
For the record
Alot of people said the same stuff about Rhodes, Rolen, O Cab, and Ramon…….but we were right about Edmonds, that fucking chump.
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 24, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they were right about OCab too
but most people seemed to be very high on the Rolen acquisition. I remember the thinking being that just about any warm body was an upgrade on EE, plus he had a good BA and had won a lot of GGs, so we were set.
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2. like she’s still smarting from not making the BenGals Back-up cheer squad
3,She spends a great deal of time in the gym
4. She can’t cook, hold a conversation or should be allowed to drive a motorized vehicle
5. like a fucking skag.
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you opened a door with #4 when hlm finds this thread next week.
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by justin007000 on Dec 26, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who is this 'him' that in such an obscure manner reference?
"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
I'm only 3 days late to this party
and if you say motorized vehicle, that might limit the use of some vibrators of some women….
just sayin’….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 29, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
check the spelling
if the spelling is better than usual, then you’re most likely correct that it’s a Fay-poster!
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 24, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just rewatched Black Dynamite
Now I’m doubly sad because we don’t have anyone on our team who could plausibly say, “I’m blacker than the Ace of Spades and more militant than you and your whole army! You need to shut your mouth when grown folks is speaking.”
The closest one is Jonny Gomes.
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