Walt Jockety sucks at his job
by sidnancy on Dec 16, 2010 3:21 PM EST
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I just realized something, and it really pains me to say this: Walt Jockety has made a terrible, terrible mistake. After an initial hesitancy I've come to warm up to Walt as a GM; he's made a number of moves that have come out of nowhere, and more often than not they've worked wonderfully. It's rare that he's completely dropped the ball, in my estimation.
Unfortunately, I think I've discovered just such an occurance. Just moments ago, I was perusing MLBTradeRumors and came across this little blurb. Read that first note again: Austin Kearns is available, which I had forgotten.
To me, Kearns would be a clear upgrade over Gomes, for no more money (probably less). He doesn't have quite the power that Gomes does, but his .353 OBP makes up for it. In addition, he has a solid defesive reputation while Gomes....doesn't.
I know his career hasn't gone the way we once hoped it would; I also realize he's somewhat fragile. But honestly, can you point at someone else who'd clearly improve the team for under $2M/yr?
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So ....
Has the guy flown under the radar for a good reason?
Maybe he can’t pass a pee test or something.
Maybe he’s weighing his offers.
I trust this organization. I trust this organization. I trust this organization. -- Justin
According to the article
The Dbacks chose Nady over Kearns, so I don’t think it’s that he’s “flying under the radar” in general.
He’s a better player (and a year younger) than Nady, so maybe (1) he isn’t healthy, or (2) he’s asking for money than I’m guessing.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I'll forever hate Ray King
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
What else are you going to do with the leaves?
Ray is ok, but I prefer his brother Sofa
by 'tHan on Dec 16, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
um... that was bad
my wife would’ve been majorly rolling her eyes for that one. Shoot, I’m rolling my eyes for it. And I’m the one with the dad jokes!
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by JJ on Dec 16, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I rec'd it, even though if I could rec the first part and not the second I would
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 16, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
This is the first time I've seen your current signature
I gotta say, 4 hours of sex after a 7 course meal does not sound good at all.
i think it has been around since Chapman debuted
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 16, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking prude
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 16, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
that seems like an oxymoron.
"Red Reporter - An elitist clique full of like-minded douchebags." - BK
it also just isn't any fun.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 16, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I also think this every time I read it.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
jch is doin' it wrong
4 hours of sex (to build up an appetite), and then a 7 course meal
to have a 7 course meal and then try for that 4 hours of sex, probably a waste of good food, and you’re just gonna piss off the model heiress who owns her own brewery, b/c no man can satisfy any woman for 4 hours on a table after having a 7 course meal
I should probably go to work now….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
How do you feel about 7 hours of sex after a 4 course meal?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
how many of those courses are liquid?
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
The last one definitely is.
"there no countrey called west xylophone" Youtube
by andromache on Dec 17, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
7 hours of sex over what kinda window?
are we talking 7 hours in a week?
7 hours in a day?
7 hours in a couple days?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I asked about Kearns before
Did he leave the Reds on good terms? Or is there a history that would make his return awkward?
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exactly
there may be more here than meets the eye.
Austin Kearns is a medicore outfielder who is a marginal up grade over Gomes.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 16, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
FTFY
Austin Kearns is a medicore outfielder who is might be a marginal upgrade over Gomes.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 16, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Since the beginning of the ’07 season, Kearns has averaged .8 WAR/yr; Gomes has been below replacement level. Fangraphs shows a bigger difference – 1.3 WAR/yr for Kearns since ’07, just 0.5 WAR total for Gomes since then.
I’d argue 1 win/yr is more than a “marginal” upgrade, unless Kearns wants $6M/yr.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
its mostly defense
which is tougher to define with WAR.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d rather have Kearns than Gomes. But I understand if Kearns disagrees, and I understand that there’s an argument against it.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I do think he wants more money than the Reds would want to pay
Of course, if all he wanted was a 6 piece McNuggets happy meal, that still might be more than the Reds can afford at this point.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
/teh fay'd
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Dec 16, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
This questions is "Is Kearns better Heisey"
Heisey wins RF outright in ST this year. That’s why we aren’t looking for one. Gomes is the benchman
@AroldisChapman.....is fun to follow on twiiter!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 16, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions
well....
He’s certainly more affordable than jay bruce.
Heisey is a 5th of on a good team. Kinda like herm winningham on the 90s team
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 16, 2010 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice to have, but not worth going out of the way to get
I’d rather have Kearns than Gomes but why pay to get him? Rather play what we got.
its intriguing
Austin is from lexington. And he’s an upgrade over nix/gomes
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 16, 2010 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its intriguing
Austin is from lexington. And he’s an upgrade over nix/gomes
"the only place they lost was the scoreboard"
by Ewok on Dec 16, 2010 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it is intriguing
Austin is from Lexington. And he is an upgrade over Gomes/Nix.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 16, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's intriguing
He’s from Lexington. And since he’s from the tri-state area, he qualifies to be the Bengals’ place kicker.
by Brian B on Dec 18, 2010 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hes a genius.
Has turned the Reds completely around. We got Rolen, Chapman, Volquez, Rhodes and alot of prospects have been able to grow because of him like Votto, Bruce, Heisey, Stubbs, Wood, Bailey, Leake. And the best thing he ever did was get rid of mr. strikeout and worst defensive player ever Encarnacion, Rosales (just not a major leaguer), David Weathers and worst hitting catcher Larue. The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. Only questionable thing i have seen was he signed Mike Lincoln to a 2 year contract off the streets. He was only worth maybe one if that.
by Nick Masset Is The Man on Dec 16, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions
How would he get internet connection under a bridge?
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
The Chili Peppers set up a music studio under one.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Yea but they have 4G
Trolls can’t steal enough moolah to pay 4 that, sill crolfer
"Why not just throw an empty glove down at the shortstop position, it would be cheaper and have better range." - justin007000
it was amazing
how Walt Jocketty was so instrumental in the LaRue deal with KC in 2006!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 16, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
He did say "get rid of" not "trade away."
Maybe he thinks Jocketty secretly choreographed Cueto’s little dance during the brawl.
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you explain the other 98 concussions?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
Ask Nick Masset is the Man. It’s his theory!
by the finest muffins on Dec 17, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
And Chris Carpenter would like to know as well.
by Brian B on Dec 17, 2010 7:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so he can explain it to his son?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Dec 17, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why else would he need to know that?
by Brian B on Dec 18, 2010 1:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wearing a John Deere hat?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i like calling her TFM
it makes me think she is an FM radio station.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
TFM = Totally Fuckin' Marvelous
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Strikeouts really hurt your feelings, don't they?
Imagine how good this team would be if they still had Dunn
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Then they wouldn't be paying someone who is currently on the team.
Who would that be? Phillips? I guess most would say they would have taken it out of Arroyo’s extension or somehow trade Cordero’s contract, but funny things happen when you start dumping pitching and defense for offense.
by Brian B on Dec 17, 2010 8:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't find the 2005 Reds to be that funny
I love Dunn, but he is not worth being the highest paid player on the team, which is what he’d be right now. And given his defense, he may not be worth $10M to a team on a limited budget.
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seriously, have I not gotten through to you?
LF D doesn’t matter, brah
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Especially not when you have Drew Stubbs patrolling CF, right??
He makes the LF irrelevant and unnecessary.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Dec 18, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hamilton was fine next to Dunn
pretty sure Patterson was fine next to Dunn too
Griffey next to Dunn, however….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
i mean
hits to left field are less important than hits to right and center!
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 19, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I find this hard to believe
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
it is
plus base runners who reach base, advance, or score on balls hit to left our only worth half a run.
So left field defense is really worthless. Throw Adam Dunn’s empty glvoe out there and let him DH in an NL game.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 19, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Carl Crawford saw 315 TC in 2010, brah
that’s less than 2 TC per game. PER GAME?!
The same Carl Crawford’s seen 2755 TC in 1204 G since 2002, which is still only a whopping 2.29 TC per game.
LF just don’t see many TC at all, brah.
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
How many did the Reds LF see last year? Not being a dick, just not sure where to find the info.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Not sure how to sort by LF
but….
Stubbs – 392
Bruce – 353
Gomes – 207
Edmonds – 161
Heisey – 110
Nix – 64
Bloomquist – 6
Cairo – 1
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN breaks it down by LF
Gomes – 207
Nix – 54
Heisey – 25
Bloomquist – 6
Dickerson – 7 (between CIN & MIL)
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm genuinely surprised by this
Does LF really get less TC than CF or RF considering most batters are right handed?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
CIN RF TC
Bruce – 353
Heisey – 47
Edmonds – 20 (MIL & CIN)
Dickerson – 6 (MIL & CIN)
Nix – 5
Cairo – 1
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
CIN CF TC
YRS – 392
Edmonds – 141 (MIL & CIN)
Heisey – 38
Dickerson – 35 (MIL & CIN)
Nix – 5
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
well...looks like you have a point, there.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
Depends on how they measure a chance
if it’s only measured by a ball that the fielder (Gomes) may have any slight chance of getting to, then of course LF had a lot fewer.
i've wondered that as well
I have zero idea how they measure defensive chances
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how many TC Edmonds had in CIN alone
however, it does seem that CF had twice the TC of LF, and RF had 45% (I think I did the math correctly, but who knows these days….) more TC than LF.
or, if you wanna look at it another way, LF had 49% of the TC of CF, and 69% of the TC of RF overall….
sure, select end points all you want, but it does seem pretty significant to note that LFs just don’t see that many total chances….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
That really is interesting.
Not something I would have expected.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
something I've known for years, which is the basis of my "LF D doesn't matter" argument
b/c they don’t see that many TC….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
There's something wrong with your math here
We’re both looking at Total Chances. I don’t know if it’s because you’re looking at just the Reds and I’m looking at the entire NL, but I showed below that LFs are at least within 13% of RF in TC. How much less than 13% depends on how much you want to account for the difference in range between the average LF and RF. There’s just no way that LF has 69% of the TC of RF.
Also, the TC for CF in the NL last year was 6,711. LF was at 71% of that. I don’t know how you’re getting 49%. The true difference between opportunities for LF and CF is probably much less given that CFs will call off LFs for balls in between them.
so
Gomes really sucks?
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interesting
Any of the stat heads want to weigh in on this?
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Seconded. Seems bizarre.
If it was just a small difference, I’d attribute it to range, but it’s a lot.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
spread it out
over 3-4 years, see if there are trends.
It may be the type of hitter who hits to left, doesn’t hit fly balls, but a TC is a TC, right, just fielding it?
It probably has to do with Janish somehow.
Maybe the difference for the Reds is BHOTF (balls hit over the fence) to left. Is that enough to matter?
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
Total "chances" in the NL
This is simply putouts + assists + errors, so it doesn’t account for range: LF: 4,744; RF: 5,452. That’s a 13% difference. I expect RFs to get to more balls but it’s probably a little less than that 13%. My WAG is 5% less opportunities in LF.
There was nearly an identical number of PAs as a LHB (4,343) and RHB (4,318), so I’m not sure if batter-handedness matters.
batting technique would matter
There is major emphasis toward hitting the ball to right field, even in the air with a man on 2nd base. A lot of hitters are pretty good at it and it would not take over … say … one a game or even 2 or 3 a week to mount a major difference.
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
I can see your typical scrappy RHB trying to go the other way with slightly more frequency
Whether it makes a dent in total batted ball numbers (especially line drives and fly balls) I’m not sure. Wish I knew of a way to get that kind of info, but my tool belt is lacking.
It might not matter on fly balls
but the ball being put into play would simply not be going to left field. Anywhere else isn’t being measured. So TC by the second baseman is a TC not being handled by anybody else. Almost nobody tries to go to left field to advance a runner. A sac fly would be the only way.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CHICKS SUCK DUDES RULE. -- Andromache
Also surprising
I was always under the assumption that there were more RHB than LHB.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Also of note: Total Chances does not equal "times the ball is touched by the LF."
If your LF is a statue with a weak arm, he might get fewer chances than a good outfielder, but might be touching the ball just as often…perhaps to the team’s detriment when his lack of range and weak-ass arm allow a single to be stretched into a double.
Also, errors count toward total chances.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Rays not named Upton or Crawford....
Zobrist – 188
Joyce – 106
Hawpe – 100 (between COL & TB)
Kapler – 46
Baldelli – 6
Rodriguez – 6
Jennings – 3
Blalock – 1
Brignac – 1
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
we don't need Arroyo
not even a little bit, not even at all
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 17, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I wish you'd get off the fence and tell us how you really feel about Arroyo.
by Brian B on Dec 18, 2010 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Arroyo is a really nice player, but Dunn would have helped this team more for around the same outlay.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dunn just got $56M
That’s a lot more than Arroyo got, deferred money aside.
Plus Dunn can’t really play LF anymore. He’s a much better fit for the AL.
and as much as I hate Stubbs offensively, he's ok defensively and can make up for Dunn in LF
although we really don’t need to make up for Dunn in LF, since his bat makes up for him in LF
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
careful
agreeing with me apparently isn’t kosher around these parts
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have noticed
but I have pretty much always found that I agree with you a lot. And disagree strongly on rare occasion. And never any middle ground.
I am more of a Stubbies fan that HLM
but that says nearly nothing on its own. I am more skeptical of him than most, I will say that, but HLM takes it to an astronomical level just about!
if you're gonna hate someone, go ahead and hate someone
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 19, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I haven't really hated anyone for a while
Patterson and T-Virus got there. OCab was close. I don’t see anyone to hate on the current team.
Edmonds'd
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Is he on the team?
I probably won’t hate him, because thankfully he won’t get any playing time even if he is.
I actually never hated Patterson
I just started hating YRS b/c he developed slowly for being a 3 year college player, and then he had that anomaly year in AAA where he looked legit and seemed to fool everyone into thinking such, and I’ll never forget the fact that we drafted him with Tim Lincecum still on the board
Dude can fly though, and plays some pretty nice D, and his arm’s grown on me. Now if he’d just get on base more often….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 20, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I hated Dusty more than Patterson
since Dusty was the one printing his name at the leadoff spot. And I also was a nonbeliever in Stubbs due to the slow development and the lack of power. I never ever believe in no-power all-speed OFers. If you absolute highest ceiling as a player is to be Juan Pierre, I am not excited by you.
Luckily, Stubbs seems to have found some power, and actually had some success at the MLB level as well.
I guess I don't consider him having power until he SLGs .500
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 21, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Your standards are impossibly high
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
So BP doesn’t have power, despite being a 2B who’s hit 30 HRs. And Jay Bruce has yet to prove that he has power either.
Impossibly high is right.
I have been impossibly high and it was worth it.
"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
by Madville on Dec 21, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think BP has streaky power
don’t speak badly about The Deal!
I just really hate Young Robert Stubbs, but not as much as Arroyo
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's mostly those who disagree with you who comment on your posts.
If a reader agrees, you often never know. So, much like Total Chances, 17 posts of “I disagree” might follow something that most have no problem with.
Also, spelling errors are included in Total Chances.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
We should have offered him arbitration
and hoped that we’d somehow ended up with draft picks
committing the money we did to Arroyo was similar to that pile of money Toronto burned when they re-signed Vernon Wells, or when the Phillies paid David Bell some big coin (at the time) to be their 3B after Rolen left town, or that pile that San Fran burned when they signed Zito
imagine what we could do with 10+ Million for a position player, especially for a LF, or SS, or CF….
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 18, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
This is funny
I actually laughed out loud. You’re right, he DID get Volquez – at the cost of reigning MVP OFer Josh Hamilton. And bunch of prospects Jocketty had nothing to do with acquiring HAVE been successful – probably because of him, you are right.
Jonny Gomes sure is better than Adam Dunn. Except that every GM in MLB disagrees. Rolen has been good, but we’ll see about the extension. David Weathers, not worth discussing. People hated EE, almost impossible to discuss rationally (much like Dunn). Arroyo extension, again we will see.
T-Virus wasn’t a mistake? Rosales wouldn’t look terrible as Rolen/Janish insurance this year, but he HAD to give him away to make up for the mistake that was T-Virus. The entire Balentien acquisition and situation at this point looks like a mistake. Orca maybe not a mistake, but not a success. Injured Jim Edmonds for Dickerson = success?
Edmonds
All I ever heard that mattered with him was that he allegedly taught Jay Bruce how to play baseball. If true, amazing. If not, let’s make it true to legitimize it.
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
by johnu1 on Dec 17, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We all believe this now. It's part of the RR creed that helps us sleep at night.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Austin Kears is old news
He never developed and is a marginal player now
I can’t imagine Kearns having the fire and drive that Gomes brings to the game every day.
Although fire and drive are poo-poohed here at RR, these qualities are worth thier weight in gold when comparing two players who are relativelyclose statistically.
I’m not saying that Jonny is Clutch or anythinglike that…
"Men today are pussies or gay" Aja Warren
OK, lezzbe honest
If Austin Kearns can be had cheap, do we get him?
Obviously he isn’t cheap or somebody would sign him.
Hell, he may be clicking the BiC as we speak.
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
I say we sign this lezzbe you speak of.
by Brian B on Dec 17, 2010 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lezzbe's can't be ballplayers
They cry.
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
I think that Kearns is a marginal upgrade over Gomes,
and is not worth the PR and clubhouse turmoil that would be caused by stitting Gomes in favor of Kearns. If Walt could trade Gomes to clear salary and then sign Kearns, I might be on board. But Kearns is pretty fragile.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Astros
outbid the Yankees for Bill Hall.
The Yankees are now hoping to get Keppinger from the Astros, since they’ll need to free up a roster spot for Hall.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Jeff keppinger would be an excellent pickup for the Yankees
that way, Yankee fans can still delude themselves about Derek Jeter being a passable defensive SS. They’ll compare him to Kepp, and come to the conclusion that Jeter is still great.
he's the 21st century Scott Brosius!
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I like the empty glove method.
Better comparison.
What, me? Being negative? No. Never.
by Paul Householder on Dec 18, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Willingham to Athletics
for Corey Brown AAA OF and Henry Rodriquez flamethrower wild reliever. Reds equivalent maybe Maloney and Dorn. Good trade for the A’s- would have been a nice pickup for the Reds.
Willingham is still recovering from the left knee surgery that ended his 2010 season
That said, he shoulkd be ready for spring and absolutely rakes. Willingham got on base at a .389 clip in his 114 games with the Nationals last season. He would have certainly been an upgrade in LF. This seems like a real missed opportunity. His career OBP against righties is .827…and that’s his weak side.
There is some domino news (from Rotowire.com):
While we can see the virtues of adding Willingham, the A’s have a really crowded outfield. Right now the three projected starters are Willingham, Coco Crisp and David DeJesus. However, the team also still has Ryan Sweeney, Conor Jackson and Chris Carter to try to fit in as well. Hideki Matsui has the DH spot locked up, and Daric Barton has first base. Look for the A’s to make another deal before the start of the season.
Are any of their extra outfielders worth a look?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, let's get the little kid with the halo
Am I the only person who is willing to give Dave Sappelt a chance to steal this job?
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
I'm sure we'd all love to see him play his way into the starting lineup for 2010.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 18, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Is this a gamble?
I mean, we saw half the male population of the U.S. trying out for that job a year ago, and it ended up going generally to Gomes.
About 56 percent of the planet thought that was a bad idea but the club disagreed.
So giving Sappelt a chance to win the job … does he win it from Gomes or does the other half of the male population of the U.S. get another chance?
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
Sappelt 2010 = Heisey 2009
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 18, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
So,
Sappelt 2011 ……?
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
Will be playing for the Marlins following the HanRam trade?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Zack Grienke
what prospects should we give up to get him?
Any of
Mesoraco
Hamilton
Maloney
Leake
Francisco
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 18, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions
I'd keep Hamilton, Mesoraco, and Leake if possible, in that order
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by BK on Dec 18, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I ain't tradin' a catcher for anybody
Not even.
Hamilton is somewhat intriguing.
Francisco is not,
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
But we have 2 GREAT C prospects and 1 is a switch hitter
And the other is a sell high candidate
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by Dave from Louisville on Dec 19, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we got Corky too
and last year we needed him.
Nope, ain’t tradin’ no catchers.
The man is a flat genius and i agree with everything he does. -- some troll describing Sir Walter Jocketty
Can we really call either of them GREAT prospects?
Honest question. Isn’t Grandal still somewhat of an unknown, and Meso’s had exactly one great season?
Don’t get me wrong, I hope they both turn out and we sell one off to the highest bidder.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
This right here is truth
Never trade a good catcher. Ever.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
JCH learned a great deal behind bars.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 19, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What I learned behind bars?
It sucks to sleep on a concrete floor.
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
Especially if that concrete floor is named Randall.
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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 20, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
looking back, if had this to do over again i think i woud have gone with
JCH: My life behind bars
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by justin007000 on Dec 31, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
that strong on Hamilton?
I mean, he’s a legit prospect, but I’m not sure there’s anyone below AA I wouldn’t trade for Greinke
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I think it's kind of toungue-in-cheek.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
For not much less than what we are paying Gomes
Eh, I guess it’s six one way, one or the other.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
No.
Gomes + Alonso > Kearns
Comon HLM2…you just want to whip up some of the old timers abour “The Trade”
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you miss the Royce Clayton era, don't you?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 22, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
But Daryl Thompson was the real key to the deal
don’t you remember? There’s still time for him to turn out better than Bill Bray. And as long as he never even makes it to MLB, he’ll be better than Gary Majewski.
I remember him
saw him make his debut @ The House That Jeter Ruined
he forgot to cover 1B what seemed to be a couple times that day, and faced that Yankee ace Dan Niese
battling injury rehab in our minors still, no?
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
don't think so
He played in the AFL this year, and the Reds added him to the roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft (after DFAing him previously). That suggests they think he’s ready to contribute now.
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I just remember not hearing from him for awhile
if he makes the MLB roster, it’ll be in the pen, as we have much more capable options for the rotation
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He has good stuff
he should be in the ‘pen regardless of the rotation options, because his arm can’t stand up to 200 innigns a year.
Last year he made 12 AA starts, and only threw 51 innings. He was even effective, but just couldn’t go deep into games.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 30, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, yeah
but my whole premise was meant to be sarcastic. Some people thought Thompson would be the one to make this deal look palatable when it was said and done. 5 years later and we are hoping he can contribute as a reliever…
I’m not holding my breath, though it’d be nice if he put in a solid season or something.
I was there too
thanks for calling me.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
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"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Dec 31, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
didn't know you then
and remember, I’m a jerk
by Highlifeman21 on Dec 31, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
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