Yonder Alonso...
by Since1993 on Dec 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST
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Hello, Rockies fan here with a quick question about Alonso. Congrats to the Reds for making the playoffs and for Joey V winning MVP. Now that question: What are the Reds plans for Alonso? Is he available and what is the likely price? The reason I ask is that Todd Helton (local hero and legend) is about to ride off into the sunset and the Rockies do not really have an heir apparent anywhere near ready. I personally, and many other Rox fans would love to take him off your hands if he's blocked by Votto. My impression is yours is a young team without a lot of holes. So, is a trade do-able d'ya think and what'll it take (hypothetically) to put a deal together? Thanks for your time.
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Done! He's all yours...please take this voucher to the Cardinals for payment.
Go Bruce!
by Since1993 on Dec 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Rockies get Alonso, Reds get Holiday, Cards get screwed...
Hey, if you can make it work in St. Louis, we’re in!
Go Bruce!
we need a shortstop better than Paul Janish
and a left fielder better than Jonny Gomes.
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Tulo and Car-Go straight up for Yonder?
Sounds totally fair. Cough.
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no thanks
no ten year contract for me.
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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
We're a bit short of MLB-ready LF and SS but we have a few on the farm...
You might look at Chris Nelson or Hector Gomez and host of fielders we have from possibly Blackmon to Tim Wheeler to Kyle Parker.
Go Bruce!
We think Alonso at least should be available....
Although it sounds like management is leaning towards keeping him around for some reason.
Obviously, with Votto at first for the time being, there’s not a whole lot of room for Alonso on the roster.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
They tried him out in left field in the minor's this season for 17 games
and seemed to abandon that idea. It’s prudent to remember that, although it’s different ownership and management, this is the same organization that gladly stuck Adam Dunn in LF for a number of years.
well i mean, they are going to say that
Walt isn’t going to say he is actively looking to trade Alonso.
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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the interesting situation . . .
If/when Walt and Votto agree on a new contract, do they keep it on the down low in order to give the appearance that the Reds may still want Yonder (thereby possibly increasing his trade value)?
Wouldn't that be close to impossible to keep quiet?
But if your point is that as long as no extension is in place, then yes Yonder’s value is high, Extend Votto and he’s kind of a spare part (desirable though he is.)
Go Bruce!
For almost anyone else, yeah
Though I seem to think Walt and Joey are both perfectly content with gentleman’s agreements. Walt knows how to play poker and Joey is the least ego-driven athlete we’ve seen in Cincy.
not until April, but maybe until February
the fact is, the Reds could use any number of Rox, from solid utility infielders to left fielders to lock down lefties. The problem is, the Rox aren’t the only team that could use a spray hittin’, cost controlled, 1b. So time’ll tell.
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yeah, no, me too
its one of those “its late and I don’t know much about the Rockies but want to say something” sort of comments.
Y’all have an SS blocked behind Troy Gordon-Leavitt? Maybe a 3b in AAA?
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A couple, yeah.
SS-2B Chris Nelson who was also a #1 pick (HS 2004) and Hector Gomez, an international signing. Gomez is not in AAA yet, though. Check out Purple Row when you get a chance. Everyone’s always talking prospects.
Go Bruce!
How is Nelson's defense? Because his bat is intriguing.
I might do Yonder for Nelson+ a pitcher with upside.
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there are indications that the Rockies have concern that his defense isn't up to par
At least, that’s what their moves and rumored interests this winter would suggest. Hector Gomez is the more likely SS in the Rockies system to have starting value for a contender in a year or two, but he’s also a big question mark due to frequent injuries that have kept him on the DL for large stretches of his rise through the minors.
If I were the Reds, I would target Hector as the upside play plus a lower ceiling hedge that has at least some certain MLB value to a contender in an Alonso trade. The Rockies may be more inclined to give up Nelson, though, and I really doubt they’d want to do a two for one. They tend to try and wait out until teams are on the verge of releasing a player to the FA market, or otherwise desperate to deal, before making their moves (De La Rosa, Hammel, and now Jose Lopez were all acquired this way).
Given that there are other teams interested in Alonso, I’m guessing that Cincinnati will find a more appealing offer right now. That is to say, that they could come out ahead by trading him. If Votto signs, Alonso has a disappointing season, or the Reds leverage is otherwise weakened, then I would think our teams would match up better as the Rockies would be less likely to try and win the deal than other clubs and try to offer a fair value exchange.
keeping Yonder around actually should help in negotiations with Votto
since without him, the Reds hands are somewhat tied since they dont have anyone close to ready good enough to handle first.
i don't think A has anything to do with B
Votto really doesn’t care if the Reds have a replacement for him or not, he just cares that he gets what he wants.
If he doesn’t get what he wants he can say good luck with Alonso, or good luck with finding Scott Hatteberg 2.0.
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by justin007000 on Dec 12, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
When youre in negotiations, everything comes to the table
I’m not really sure it would affect much (and certainly Votto wouldnt care, as youre saying), but to think it wouldnt affect the negotiations at all is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.
He'd fit perfect in the Reds OF and leadoff spot.
I’ve heard the Sox want relievers. DoJo and Heisey get this done?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 11, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
who is dojo?
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by justin007000 on Dec 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Donnie Joseph
"He’s like if Ron Gant and Eric Davis had a white baby." -- GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Drew Stubbs
I'd trade Ondrusek for Ellsbury
I’d do it in a heartbeat.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 11, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
seriously?
Ondrusek is decent, sure. But he’s not too much better than whatever you could find in AAA
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I'd give Lurch and a couple minor leaguers in a heartbeat
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Rox probably would not be able to do that as we don't have a CF replacement ready...
And the outfield in Coors is ENORMOUS so we need Fowler’s speed to cover it.
Go Bruce!
Spilborghs?
Can he play CF, or do you still even have him? Maybe EY Jr could play CF, though it would not be realistic to ask the Rockies to alter their entire alignment to make a trade. Maybe Gonzalez could play CF though. Seth Smith? I thought you guys had lots of CF capable players.
Spilly can and is the backup...
EY2 could theoretically but we’re struggling to find a place for him defensively (hands are the issue.) Cargo can and has shifted there when Dex was sent down to work on his hitting. There’s still hope for Seth Smith but he was given the RF job after Hawpe was released and promptly tanked. Smith’s athletic but I don’t think he’s really CF material.
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it's not so much replacing Fowler (Blackmon's the best possiblility) although that's part of it.
as it is that giving him up for Alonso’s a terrible value exchange for the Rockies. Positional adjustment gives Fowler a three win advantage before they even pick up their bats in a full time role, and since they actually project for similar wOBA’s over the next couple of seasons, we’d basically be giving those three wins away as a favor. That’s even before you bring Nelson in.
If you think Yonder is below replacement level
then there is no use discussing a potential trade. Outside of Fowler, the Rox have little that would be of interest to the Reds in exchange for Alonso. Are you taking into consideration that Fowler rates below average to bad defensively in CF in this (strange) position comparison?
Don’t forget that Alonso has 2 more seasons of team control left than Fowler does. It seems like a pretty even deal.
Willy Taveras and Cory Sullivan (dear god, we've had awful bats in CF)
were both below average to bad defensively while playing with the Rockies but somehow mysteriously improved when they played the position with other teams. The same is true of Jeff Salazar and pretty much every Rockies CF we’ve observed since these stats have become available. Carlos Gonzalez was one of the best CF’s in the game in Oakland, now he’s an iffy fielder statistically and potentially unworthy of his GG.
It’s a phenomenon we’ve noticed as Rockies fans, and I don’t think it’s necessarily UZR’s fault, but my two guesses are that it either has to do with our fielders having to adjust to two different types of flight patterns off the bat, one at altitude, one at sea level, which just makes our OF’s perform worse than they would with other teams (Brad Hawpe would still be terrible, btw), or our coaches are just that terrible at positioning them relative to the rest of the league.
At any rate, Fowler’s as solid a defensive CF as Taveras was, with a much more potent bat. While Alonso’s 2 extra cheap seasons would add value to your end, they still wouldn’t be enough to justify giving up a league average young center fielder for a league average 1B (note that I’m not saying replacement level). This wouldn’t be an even deal, and if you can’t see that, then you’re right, there is no use discussing it. You’ve either overvalued your asset, or undervalued our’s.
Your two guesses are fine
but I suspect UZR has some issues adjusting for certain parks. For some reason, just 1 out of 12 left fielders in San Francisco were considered below average in a season since 2009. That trend continues back a few years until Barry Bonds. It’s strange, because Pat Burrell, Aubrey Huff, Mark De Rosa and John Bowker were all somehow plus left fielders, which doesn’t pass the smell test.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 11, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I find it hilarious that a fanbase has fond memories of
Willie T Havoc
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Houston?
He had his moments with us in 2007, but they were before the real magic started and he was as big a reason for the team’s 2008 regression as anybody. Most Rockies fans may have fonder memories of Sullivan. One of Taveras’ nicknames is [CF REDACTED] at Purple Row.
fair enough, then
I kind of lost track of which came first: Hou or Col.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
You’ve either overvalued your asset, or undervalued our’s.
This tends to happen. And I will grant you that Coors field messes up the defensive stats.
But even if you think Yonder Alonso is the next James Loney, it would still be an even deal, unless you believe Fowler is about to turn into Colby Rasmus. Or unless the defensive stats are WAY off.
Let's try and put some numbers to this to see where we're each coming from
And yes, given that we’ve seen centerfielders lose a win or more of average value moving into Coors Field, and then gain it back when they leave, I would say that our ability to evaluate them is way off (again, I don’t think it’s the stats’ fault, it’s just our ability to interpret them with outfielders, I’m hoping Field f/X fixes this).
At any rate, I think Fowler’s going to be a regular 2.5 to 3.5 win player in his prime. In Colorado, it might be a bit less because he doesn’t have power to play up in Coors offensively like CarGo, while he still gets the handicap defensively. He might have a season or two above four WAR, but I don’t think he’ll have a true superstar type of year. I do think Alonso is going to be a Loney/Lyle Overbay type of first baseman, 1.5 to 2.5 wins regularly, and he’d be generally disappointing to Reds fans just because nobody would look good after Votto. I think, like Fowler, there’s a possibility of a four win season or two, but I don’t foresee an All-Star type of year.
I still see Fowler as being the more valuable commodity of the two, as that type of 1B is easier to find than that type of CF.
that didn't work with T-Virus
He got worse when he went from Colorado to Cincinnati.
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Willy Taveras' UZR/150 in CF
Houston:
2005 +11.7
2006 +26.1
Colorado:
2007: -9.8
2008: -5.3
Cincinnati:
2009: +15.9
That doesn’t look like worse to me.
UZR is not reliable
for less than three seasons.
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Convenient to use that, isn't that?
My point has been that it’s not reliable at all for evaluating Rockies outfielders. Other zone based defensive models tell a similar story, though. Taveras was a plus in Houston and Cincinnati, a negative in Colorado. Again, I don’t think we’ll get a really accurate read until a couple of seasons after Field F/x starts producing some data.
T-Virus
wasn’t bad on defense for the Reds, but you said “value,” which includes offense. His offense was awful, and that is a lot easier to measure statistically than defense.
Besides, we already have a CFer who’s better than Fowler. Maybe two.
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he hit a back breaking home run against the Cardinals this year
he is my favorite rockie, i hate the cardinals more than i hate scary things.
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by justin007000 on Dec 12, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you were perhaps misreading what I said.
Or perhaps maybe I was misreading what you read. I hope it’s that and not something deliberate. I brought up Taveras originally as one example of several Rockies CF’s that have a large discrepancy between their established defensive value while with the club and that off of it to help show that the defensive valuation. Although now I see that you might actually have been trying to compare Fowler and Taveras. I hope not, as this would require some sort of professional help that I’m unqualified to give you, be it an optometrist, shrink, or lobotomist. Liking your own team’s players shouldn’t have to include going that far off the conventional wisdom about the skills of other teams’ players.
It wasn’t a Rockies fan that brought Fowler’s name into this discussion. If you guys do feel that Stubbs is better (living in Cincinnati and seeing more Reds games than Rockies games, I could see why some would argue this way, Stubbs doesn’t have Fowler’s range or patience+contact, but he’s got a solid first step and hits for power rare for the position) At any rate, it’s apparently not a universal feeling among Reds fans.
I think Heisey’s a bit of fool’s gold. Not that he’s bad, he’s not in the class of the other two (Fowler and Stubbs), though.
Stubbs...
…doesn’t…have…Fowler’s…range….?
You’re right. We’re on different planets here. No point in continuing the conversation.
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Stubbs is very good, don't get me wrong.
Again, I wasn’t the one who brought Fowler’s name into this. It would be interesting to poll scouts on this, though. It seems that you’d probably be surprised how many agree with me.
Something like that is obviously up for debate
but 2 years ago, Stubbs won “best defensive outfielder” for all of the minors from Baseball America. I’m pretty sure it was 2008, so Fowler should have been in that discussion as well since he spent most of the year in the minors too.
Obviously that’s not definitive, but I think it’s a good case for scouts loving Stubbs’ range as much, if not more than Fowler’s. Perhaps we can just agree that both players have crazy range?
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yes, we can agree on this.
I want to be clear that I’m not intending to say that Stubbs is a poor or even average defender. He’s definitely a plus in the field, and his range isn’t an issue.
Range is not the only component of outfield defense
And range isn’t Fowler’s problem, as evidenced by his play to save Ubaldo’s no-hitter in Atlanta this past April. He doesn’t always make the best reads, which is not uncommon for a young outfielder who plays half his games at Coors and half his games elsewhere. The ball just travels differently in Colorado, and most young players are slow to make that adjustment. But he has plenty of speed and range.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
OK, now I see where you are coming from
personally, I don’t see Yonder Alonso as a Lyle Overbay clone, especially being that he was considered a legit 1st-round draft choice, but if this is your position, then clearly you wouldn’t trade Fowler for him, regardless of the extra years of control. Perhaps this would be a good time for me to point out though, that Overbay has 6 seasons with a better WAR than Fowler’s best.
I see Fowler as a 4-win-peak player, and Alonso as a 4-win-peak player. Fowler is perhaps a safer bet to reach 2 wins though.
Fowler does have the advantage that his defense and speed will likely make up for a bad offensive season
So, like you said, he’s a safer bet for 2 wins right out of the box. From everything that we’ve heard, Alonso really needs to hit well to have value.
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Perhaps this would be a good time for me to point out though, that Overbay has 6 seasons with a better WAR than Fowler’s best.
Well this is just completely unfair. Fowler has played two seasons. Overbay – eight. Fowler is 24. When Overbay played his 24 year old season, it was his first half season in the majors. You’re comparing a veteran’s peak to a young player’s first two seasons, who was even younger than the veteran when he got regular playing time.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Dec 18, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Is there any chance at all that you’re wrong in your valuations? You cite things like positional adjustment as if its part of the periodic table. The idea that slugging 1st baseman aren’t hard to find is a cliche, but there are a fair number of teams that started some pretty poor ones.
If I were a GM right now and wanted a 1B that projects better than Alonso for 2011
I could sign Derrek Lee or Adam LaRoche. Who are you going to sign that projects better than Fowler in center field? It’s not just a cliche.
I'm anything but bullish on Alonso
but don’t you feel that Loney/Overbay/LaRoche comp is low end? No way this guy is going to be a top 5 1B, but I could envision him being much better than these 3, as he was coming off injury to his hand, which seemed to sap him of his bat for a while.
Granted, sign Lee or LaRoche see where it gets you in 2012-2015, Alonso [could] be a cog for a while.
Also, I do not think you are taking into account the possible low end of Fowler. The guy has logged over a 1000 ABs at the major league level. I mean we could get Felix Pie for a lot cheaper than Alonso.
by kennythered on Dec 12, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and
I am fully in the Stubbs camp and feel like a deal for Fowler does not get us the type of bat we need in LF.
by kennythered on Dec 12, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Heck, Bill James is projecting Heisey to be a much better hitter than Fowler. I just don’t see the appeal of Fowler for the Reds.
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this isn't true,
At least according to FanGraphs, Fowler’s projection from James (which is optimistic, as usual) has him having a higher wRC+ (which is park adjusted) than either Stubbs or Heisey in 2011. And he’s younger.
It might be that I am being too low on Alonso.
These players that every team wants but no team seems willing to pony up for their true value. Fowler’s probably that guy for us right now.
The problem with your “low end” for Fowler is that he crossed it a long time ago. Pie hasn’t yet seen 1000 PA’s in four seasons at 25 years of age because he can’t get on base 70% of the time. Fowler has his 1000 PA’s already because he’s proving to be an OBP machine and a true lead-off threat. ZiPS projects a .361 OBP this season, James .373.
we are thin at LF, and we still have 3 better options than that.
yet it my happen
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
3 - um...
Not Hi-Z cause he bats RH and can’t rake
Not Frazier (he can rake) but he bat’s RH
Not Juan Fiasco Although he does bat LH he ain’t never gonna hit MLB pitching.
So who did YOU have in mind EWQ ?
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Gomes, Frazier, Heisey
just because they don’t represent an ideal platoon or situation doesn’t mean they aren’t better options than Yonder still.
i don't think we know what the reds really think about him.
The three i had in mind were Gomes, Dorn, and Perez.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Felix Perez is 26 and has a total of 139 ABs above A ball
Daniel Dorn has survived two rule 5 drafts because no other team thought he was worthy of a roster spot.
It’s a stretch to say either one is a better option than Yonder.
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Fair enough
I looked at his winter ball numbers today and feel silly about Dorn.
I am just saying Perez could make the club if he had a gonzo spring.
I wish Yonder could do it, I just don’t think the reds think he can.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Quick question
Doesnt alonso have something in his contract saying he has to be in the majors at a certain point. And if so when is it.
he got an MLB contract as a college draft pick
so his option clock is running.
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by justin007000 on Dec 12, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm all for moving Alonso
However, I have little to no interest in most OFs (granted there are plenty I would love to get for him). I think we have much more pressing needs at SS, then at 3B and, just a few years down the road, 2B. Yonder needs to be used to address these needs, I think…. I would always listen to a deal that involves pitching as well.
Everyone knows Yonder is the centerpiece of the Hanley deal....
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Colorado in the Eastern Conference?
That’s Wa-a-a-a-a-a-acky!!
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They played against San Jose in the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals
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Yeah, fuck the Cubs.
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whatre the odds
Mads knows what movie this is from?
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the True Grit 2010 trailer
and I don’t know what’s on the other horse.
The movie looks decent enough, sure, but my initial reaction was the same as these guys.
"College actually kind of beat that out of me, making me more, well, of an asshole."
I love FilmDrunk. And I can't wait to see that fucking movie.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 15, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
There is a big statue of Lady Godiva in downtown Coventry
where I went to grad school. The high school kids like to hang around there. Probably for the boobies.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 14, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
There's a big statue of Joe DiMaggio at Trader's World
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Pete Rose hangs out there.
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So does Joe, from what I've read
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Coventry in the UK?
I went there once as a tourist. I remember photographing the statue of Lady Godiva, but I don’t remember any boobies. I must have been at the wrong angle.
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Here ya go
It’s near the new cathedral, which is an abortion of a building.
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I think I saw her from the other side
I remember her bare legs. Her boobs are hidden by her hair from the other side.
I wonder where my photos are from that trip. I think I was using film back then.
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It's a really surreal city
It was completely – like, COMPLETELY – leveled in the blitz so the whole city’s architecture now is really drab post-war industrial. There is just one section, like a block and a half, just north of the awful cathedral that was spared. It’s like an oasis.
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boobies, abortion, angle
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considering we are this point after a comment
… that essentially said “fuck the Cubs.”
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