SIS - Where would you put the Baseball HOF?
by Cy Schourek on Nov 9, 2010 6:43 AM EST
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PrintJoe Posnanski, as he tends to do, wrote something interesting recently. And some anonymous commenter had an idea I thought was interesting:
A good poll question would be: given that the Doubleday story is a myth, where should the Hall of Fame be? (By the way, I'm not saying the Hall should move; Cooperstown a wonderful place. I just wonder where an appropriate locale would be if the myth had never gained steam to the point that the Hall was placed there).
So what think you? I've never been to the Hall of Fame, and I really can't see a situation in which I will. Rural New York seems nice enough, but its just not near enough to me to stumble into a trip, and not near enough to anything I know to make it part of an itinerary. So I don't know enough on that account to say anything.
If I had to move the Hall of Fame to somewhere, I think I'd vote for either somewhere closer to a big city. My first reaction was something near New York or Baltimore, but I don't think there'd be enough undeveloped land for it. Baltimore would be great, I think, but it probably isn't too realistic right now. But it'd be cool to have the HOF in the Babe's backyard.
So my final decision, as much as I may get pillaged for it on here, would be Saint Louis. A great baseball history, obviously. America's heartland and all of the said idyllicness implied in that. A location that can be reached pretty easily by everyone in the country, from West to East, North to South. And most interestingly, it'd be cool to have the HOF within a morning's drive of the Negro Leagues Museum. I think that'd be really good for both of 'em.
Someone else in the comments section said Cincinnati because of the Red Stockings, but I'd like to hear more than "Hey! Red Stockings!" So let me/us know what you think. Where would you put the Hall of Fame?
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I think Cooperstown is a great place for the Hall of Fame
They were the hops capital of the nation – an important place in the history of beer brewing.
If Concepcion gets in, someone should organize a RR roadtrip. They have a “beverage trail” (breweries, wineries, and a place that makes hard cider).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Are you implying that we're all a bunch of drunks?
Because, well…….shit.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 9, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just had some of that Sunday night.
Delish.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 16, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it should just have a beer hall of fame instead.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
I agree with St. Louis, for logistics' sake
Also, this is not an SIS as it’s baseball related.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 9, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't
If it’s in St. Louis it’s only convenient to those people within a reasonable drive. Someone from California isn’t more likely to visit because it just moved a thousand miles west.
Baltimore’s a great idea. Close to several other cities, the Babe Ruth connection, and you could even take a train!
Precisely
People in California willing to fly to NY would be just as willing to fly to STL wheras people in “fly-over country” would be more willing to drive to a more centrally located HOF. You don’t lose any customers from the first group but you gain a significant amount of customers from the second group.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
But people in the Northeast region would be less likely to go.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
If they're big fans they've probably already been as opposed to fans in the non-coastal areas who have been using proximity as an excuse
If Satellite and cable TV companies have taught me anything it’s that you cater to potential new customers!
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
no
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
definitely a good argument
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
syphilis is serious
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I don't know.
The area around cooperstown is really beautiful, and it’s remoteness is kind of an asset, because it seems to be part of the HOF tradition to be oddly located (Basketball HOF – Springfield, Mass; Football HOF – Akron, OH). When you’re going to the Hall of Fame, that’s where you’re going – it’s not just a sideshow on another vacation. (which is how I ended up at the Hockey Hall of fame in Toronto)
But I wouldn’t mind it being in a place that was more accessible. St. Louis is a gpod idea, although switching out Ommegang for Anheuser-Busch is sort of a bummer.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
yeah
I’m not sure I like the idea of the hall of fame being in a big city, where it’s just one of many attractions. I like the idea of it being a pilgrimage.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Detroit sure could use the tourism.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 9, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you BubbaFan
The idea of a pilgrimage has a certain romance and reverence to it, but I think it might be better for baseball to have it in a big city. While I’ve never been, everything that I’ve heard of Cooperstown is that it’s a charming little town. But unless you are a hardcore baseball fan, you’re not going to use valuable vacation time and money on a trip where you can essentially do one thing. And let’s face it, if you’re going to Cooperstown, you’re going for the Hall of Fame — there’s scenic beauty and little shops and local breweries and such everywhere; you don’t need to drive to upstate NY for that. I can’t see a family of four deciding to spend a whole week in Cooperstown. After about three days, what do you do?
In a time when baseball is challenged to maintain popularity (seriously, how does a Jaguars-Titans game demolish in the tv ratings an ALCS game with Cliff Lee against the Yankees?), I think it would be best for the game to have a Hall of Fame that is more accessible to the casual fan. Being one of many attractions may be just what is needed — the hardcore fans will still come, and those who would otherwise not bother may decide to check it out if they’re already in the area anyway. In such a large country there may be no perfect spot for accessibility, but I think NYC would be an excellent choice: it’s a top tourist destination and central to the most densely populated region of the country. I heard a suggestion a while back that the Hall should occupy the old Yankee Stadium. As much as I hate the Yankees, there’s is something that seems right about celebrating baseball’s history in the space once roamed by the Babe.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Cooperstown is four hours from Niagara Falls.
I can’t speak for families of four, but my family of five* took in both sites in one vacation when I was young. New York City and Boston are even closer than the falls, if cities are more your speed. And Ithaca, which I hear is gorges, is a mere two hours away. Nothing is really all that distant on the east coast. We’re not talking Montana here.
*In fairness, my family definitely qualifies as “hard core baseball fans,” but why does the Hall of Fame need to attract the rest in droves? Is it suffering from a lack of visitors? Is that why we’re having this discussion?
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not a lack of visitors
in the sense that it is in danger of going broke or shutting down or anything; I’m sure the Hall is doing just fine. My point is that attracting more than just the hard core fans would expose a lot more people to the beauty and history of baseball, and this could only help promote and create interest in a sport that is faced with ever more competition for the public’s attention. Relocating to a big city that attracts many “non-hard-core fans” already seems to me to be the easiest way to accomplish this.
And I’m sure some families do the Griswald-esque thing you mention where they basically take a big road trip and see sights along the way all over a region, but I’d guess most family vacations — if they’re not to see relatives — are of the “go somewhere and stay there for a week” variety (Disney, Florida, New York, Hawaii, etc.).
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Of course, the elephant in the room
is what would happen to Cooperstown if the HOF left. Again I’ve never been there so this is just speculation, but I’d guess that the local motels, restaurants, shops and such all rely heavily on tourism. Particularly during hard economic times this seems to me to be a much thornier problem to navigate than the history or legend of baseball’s origins.
Maybe in the next TV contract, MLB can cut a deal with Disney where they give a big discount to show games on ABC in exchange for Disney building a world-class theme park (with indoor and outdoor stuff) just outside of Cooperstown….
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
There's a lake there
That attracts rich summer people.
They would definitely miss the Hall, but there are a lot of towns like it in upstate NY that get by somehow.
I don’t think the rich people with summer homes on the lake would appreciate a theme park being built nearby. In fact, I’m pretty sure they would block it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
There's a pretty famous opera festival in Cooperstown.
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
There's actually a really strong museum studies program in Cooperstown
As well as a number of arts & crafts museums. I sort of kick myself every now and then for ending up in Washington instead of going to Cooperstown and getting involved with the Baseball Hall of Fame.
No offense to any of you wonderful people
But I’m guessing that a lake, an opera festival, and several arts & crafts museums would have a hard time replacing an attraction like the HOF, unless I’m seriously over-estimating the HOF’s popularity. I’d bet the people of Cooperstown would be pretty bummed if the HOF left. That’s all I’m saying.
And yeah BF, I can think of a number of reasons why the Disney thing would probably never happen. Just musing, really.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Oh, they'd suffer big time from the HOF moving.
Good thing it’s not going to happen!
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
When it comes right down to it
I don’t really mind either way. I think it might be a little better for baseball for the HOF to move to a more accessible spot, but I do appreciate the tradition and history of keeping it in Cooperstown.
What I am sure of is that if it moved to place like NYC, a heck of a lot more people would be able to see it, and I don’t see any way that that’s a bad thing for baseball.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Which is crazy because I think the basic curation at the HOF is terrible.
Bad reflections, awkwardly placed signs, poor overall organization. It doesn’t seem like anyone put any thought into the displays. Of course, maybe that’s not what museum studies is about.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
i've seen a few big time museums like that
They get lazy because they know people are going to come anyway. The worst is the Check Point Charlie Museum in Berlin. Some of the captions are miss-matched with the items, there are some captions for nonexistant items, and items without captions.
Simply they realized they could make money from dumb tourists, like myself, who couldn’t possibly go to Berlin without visiting the Checkpoint Charlie Museum, so quality didn’t matter.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
There is quite a bit of history there
My university has sent a few interns from our public history program to work at various museums in Cooperstown.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
there is even a very well written book about it, one of my favorite books that i’ve read for class.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Disney has been trying for years to build a History Theme Park in northern Virginia
Nobody wants it here. I’m not sure the people of Cooperstown would want it either.
I haven't been to Cooperstown
Though I’m considering visiting this winter. (I hate crowds.)
But I have been to Canton, and if Cooperstown is anything like Canton, I really can’t see it having much appeal for the casual fan. The guys in the Hall of Fame are guys kids never heard of. Heck, most of them are guys their parents never heard of.
There’s just not much to appeal to people don’t have a deep interest and reverence for the history of the sport.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well that where baseball's populist history gives it the advantage
Back when baseball was pretty much the only gig in town, it created legends that I’d argue are still well known today. Football’s relative obscurity for a good chunk of the 20th century (compared to baseball anyway) means that a lot of people today don’t know or care much about its history. So people may not know who Elroy “Crazy Legs” Hirsch or George Blanda were, but everybody knows guys like Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and Hank Aaron.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Crazy Legs went to my high school!
That’s all we got.
I like the HOF in Cooperstown. While a relocation could attract more visitors, I don’t think that would make the sport more popular. People are going to watch based on the product on the field. The HOF is necessarily backward looking, so it can’t appreciably promote the current game.
by ken on Nov 9, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you're saying
and I agree that it’s the product on the field that is most important. But I don’t think it’s an either/or deal as far as the nature of a museum goes. Looking back at the history, again if marketed properly and all that, can enhance interest in the sport today. Look at how interested people become when a historical record is about to be broken. Having an appreciation of the past puts the present in perspective and adds to the enjoyment of the game — again, if done well.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
I've been to both
They’re both excellent. You may not know who everyone is, but for me, I’m primarily interested in seeing “my” guys. Secondarily, I like stumbling across people I’d forgotten about and then remembering their greatness anew.
The stuff besides the inductees plaques in both Halls of Fame is outstanding too. I really liked the NFL GameDay Theater.
I don't agree
I think that’s offset by the fact that football is a more national sport. The names recognized may be more recent than in baseball, but there are as many familiar names.
The problem is there’s really nothing to do for the casual fan. Especially for kids. You look at players’ shoes and gloves and helmets, posters and tickets from old games, grainy old film. The highlight is the hall with busts of all the inducted players, which kids aren’t interested in (and some seemed rather scared of all the disembodied heads). It’s the kind of old-style museum kids find boring.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Like I said, I thought the GameDay Theater was incredible
So I’m not entirely sure what you’re on about. Plus, I visited shortly after Corey Dillon had set the rookie rushing record, so his stuff was there, which was great to see. I bought my Jeff Blake jersey there (the only jersey they had for a Bengals player), and I still have it to this day. I have a lot of great memories of that place.
Not a lot of people find themselves in Canton, OH to begin with, and those that live there are right in the middle of the Cleveland-Pittsburgh belt that is just crazy about football. “Casual fans” just seems wrong to worry about.
that's my point, really
Casual fans are not the ones they are trying to attract, judging from the exhibits.
Seems like museums that want to appeal to kids have a lot of interactive stuff. Things you can touch and do.
Minor league baseball has lot of that kind of stuff, since their bread and butter is families. Just seems like the average family would get a lot more bang for their buck by going to a minor league baseball game than to the Hall.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I have a Jeff Blake jersey, too!
twinsies!
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Football is more national now
but baseball has a decades-long head start, which gives its museum an advantage IMO. People might know today’s football players better than today’s baseball players, but they still know yesterday’s baseball players better than yesterday’s football players — and it’s yesterday’s players that are in HOFs.
As far as the casual fan argument, I disagree. Museums in NYC like MOMA and The Met draw huge crowds despite the fact that very few people that I’ve ever come across are hardcore art history fans. I don’t see why a baseball museum in NYC, properly marketed, couldn’t attract a wide segment of the general population.
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
I think they know yesterday's football players
It’s just that “yesterday” is the 1970s, more than the 1950s.
I completely agree that the Hall of Fame would attract more visitors if located in NYC. I just think it would be a poorer experience, and would not necessarily increase interest in baseball.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You should go. I can't recommend this highly enough.
The Baseball Hall of Fame is amazing. I’d go back in a heartbeat. The Hall of Fame portion may not be that interesting to non-superfans, but the rest is basically a museum of baseball. And everyone loves museums, right? Or is that just me?
When my family went, the staff was incredible. My brother was wearing this generic baseball shirt with an unspecified player on it. The historicaly staff spent well over an hour helping us figure out who the player was, then showing us his plaque. Arky Vaughan is now a part of our family lore.
Take picture if you go, BubbaFan! Though I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that.
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I love museums!
Also, visiting colleges was a great opportunity to see these remote places. I visited both the baseball and football halls of fame while I was scouting out schools (and eventually went to one about 40 minutes away from Canton). Both are highly recommended and worth visiting. Although the surrounding area of Cooperstown is somewhat more idyllic than Canton.
I've visited the Hall once, as a young lad
and it served to magnify the importance of baseball in an already baseball-crazed, developing mind. Reflecting now, that visit likely ensured a lifetime of allegiance.
Take your young kids to the hall, RR, while they’re still malleable.
He fixes the cable?
by Colin Auscapee on Nov 19, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Schafly says "hello"
and to counter the “oddly located” part, I have a better idea: put the HOF in Hannibal, MO. You couldn’t get more America then Mark Twain and baseball
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Mark Twain, blah
But Hannibal is also the hometown of Col. Sherman T. Potter!
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem
The football hall of fame is in Canton, not Akron. And the very first NFL game was played in Dayton, OH. Go Triangles!
Well, I happen to like myths, whether they're historically true or not.
That’s one of the reasons I like baseball over other sports— the stories. So I say keep it in Cooperstown or if it must move, make it Mudville, TX, or the Field of Dreams in Iowa, or some equally mythical place.
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions
That being said, it doesn't have to be a place that's only fictionally relevant.
Baltimore, due to its Babe Ruth connections, would be appropriately mythical. So would Cincinnati, and I don’t feel the need for any other argument besides “Hey! Red Stockings!”
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Or Indianapolis, because the first game was played there.
And yes, I realize that I’m just talking to myself now.
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When I was a wee lad, first discovering the history of baseball, I looked to see if there was anyone with my name in the Hall of Fame
Turns out there was – the freakin’ inventor of the game!
That's pretty cool.
There’s a whole team named after me in Queens. They spelled it wrong, but I’m not too upset about that.
by the finest muffins on Nov 9, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
the last thing i need to hear when i watch cardinals games
is about the wonderful baseball town with the best fans in teh baseball and the goddamn hall of fame.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
How about KC instead?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
that is okay
how about Cincinnati?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Put it in the building currently occupied by the Underground Railroad Museum
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Or find a location where there's not already an attraction that's successfully draws tourists from all over the world.
And for goodness sakes, can we please get the name right just once?
Now I’m all riled up on a Wednesday morning. Troublemaker.
by the finest muffins on Nov 10, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
you burned her good 'tHan
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
He's right, at least about attendance
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i honestly have no strong feelings about it one way or the other
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
i was there a few days after the grand opening
can’t say that i have one iota of interest in returning. ive been to many museums and its the only one i recall that i was less impressed with…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Okay.
Obviously, I disagree, but I don’t feel like getting into it. I typed up a whole response and then deleted it. That’ll show ’em.
by the finest muffins on Nov 10, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
almost as devistating as tHan's burn
now i feel like i should go to the Freedom Museum since ’tHan said it sucks, I kinda feel like anything ’tHan or OBC think is bad has to be good.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not so fast.
I bet they think the Cubs suck, and they’re pretty much right on with that opinion.
I do think you should give the Freedom Center a chance. But be warned: there’s a reason it’s not called a museum. There aren’t a ton of artifacts, but I think it does a good job of telling a story nevertheless. Be sure to get a tour by one of the fantastic volunteer exhibit guides, and don’t miss the “Suite for Freedom” animated film and the “Invisible: Slavery Today” exhibit. My former boss curated the latter, and it just became a permanent part of the center. They bring in some pretty good short-term exhibits, too. The lynching photography exhibit last spring was haunting. I’d like to check out the exhibit on terrorism when I go home in December.
by the finest muffins on Nov 10, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not against going
it is weird, when i am a tourist I go to every museum I can find, and I’ve been to a lot of Chicago museums. But When I am in the Cincinnati area I don’t really go to museums, with the exception of the Art Museum.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Brown Stadium will be like a museum this coming Sunday.
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Richard Dawkins
Kansas City has the Negro League Hall of Fame
I’m not ready to desegregate our Halls of Fame locations yet.
Branch Rickey'd
Nothing's complicated if you understand it.
Let Go Nukkah!!!! Woot
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Richard Dawkins
if we want to make it convenient for tourists....
put it on 192 in Kissimmee next to Walt Disney World.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
even better...
in the Grand Canyon. that’s right. in.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Joey Votto's house
i mean, he is too good. He shouldn’t have to go to Cooperstown, they should bring Cooperstown to him.
What Would Joey Votto Do?
lets see how he does next year first
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Always the poo-poo-er Justin
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
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I say put the fucking Museum over the top of Bart Giamatti's grave.
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Richard Dawkins
When they make the Pete Rose movie, Paul Giamatti should play the commissioner.
He looks eerily like his dad.
by the finest muffins on Nov 10, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
They should put it in Milville, OH
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Did you mean Millville ?
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Richard Dawkins
sure, why not?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
too big
i think the HOF should be somewhere a bit more quaint.
"Bronson Arroyo texted me from the high seas"
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 11, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Only if I get to be curator
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I can't decide if this means you want to sleep with Alyssa Milano
or be her pimp.
by the finest muffins on Nov 11, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't he do both?
well in theory at least?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously!
What good is being a pimp if you don’t get to sample your product?
In IT terms, think of it as QA, or UAT Testing….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 13, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Prediction for 2011:
“I’d curate her baseball HOF!” becomes the new “I’d hit that.”
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
by andromache on Nov 13, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have been to NY a few times in the last few years
and still have not made it close enough to cooperstown to be able to go through, it is really outta the way.
leave it where it is
it is out of the way but it is in a beautiful location. I just think it should stay
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We need Davey in there!!
"I cannot get rid of the hurt from losing, but after the last out of every loss, I must accept that there will be a tomorrow. In fact, it's more than there'll be a tomorrow, it's that I want there to be a tomorrow. That's the big difference, I want tomorrow to come." - George "Sparky" Anderson
by Caleb on Nov 12, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec that and call for another one
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