RR Election thread
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2010 8:09 PM EDT
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Tonight's a big night in the US, with the balance of power possibly swinging one way or the other. What are your thoughts on the results, and the general direction of US politics in general?
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OH HAI
The fact that Rand Paul won Kentucky astounds me. Discuss.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
winds of change are a blowing again!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Those winds, if too strong, could blow off Rand's bad wig.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
I'm definitely in the minority of most people I know, but I only hate this like 95%.
He’s ultimately no worse than Jim Bunning. And, if he gets to be more like his father, then that will make things better. I’ll still disagree with him, but…what I’m trying to say here is “Not Jim Bunning.”
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
I feel ya there, definitely
I guess my expectations were out of line with reality.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
post your tweet after hearing Paul won!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Here ya go (this was a huge PIA by the way)
Chandrathan – I have a feeling it’s going to be a sad day in the state of Kentucky.
jch24 – @Chandrathan Why, is Rand Paul gonna win?
Chandrathan – @jch24 I’m afraid so. That’s unbelievable to me.
jch24 – @Chandrathan Holy shit, I was kidding. Wow.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
i liked the one about moving outta KY and never moving back!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
That was facebook, retard
And I meant it.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i just hope we all can sell our houses one day
i literally hoped mine was hit by straight line winds last week. im overinsured and it can’t be too hard to replace buck o’neill memorabilia~!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
We bpught low, we're good
If greater Cincy gets leveled by a tornado and everyone I care about is okay, I’m golden.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i have 8 years for the market to turn around, i'm cool
i do hope the coastal real estate market hiccups in that timeframe
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
You really were rooting for the wind!
I have a price to create solutions, just sayin’
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Doesn't he kind of fit in perfectly there?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
There's Lexington and Louisville
and then there’s the rest of KY. He fits in one of those. You pick.
Sidenote: I’m from the other part.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
oops...posted too soon
Louisville and Lexington are hard core liberal…the rest of the state is conservative
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
this is not true
the eastern part of the state has historically voted democratic. they depend on government aid programs that democrats support so they have tended to vote democrat. in fact the 2 most important politicians from eastern ky in the last few years (Paul Patton & Greg Stumbo) are both big time democrats.
I’m really disappointed with just the general tone and nature of the political commercials this year.
And I really, truly believe that America needs a viable third party. But I also believe that the R’s and D’s will not allow one to ever come to be
Hope Springs Eternal
by Caleb on Nov 2, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
i said it earlier
anyone who pays attention to those ads should not cast a vote.
who watches commercials nowadays anyhow? TiVo shows and zap the ads!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I agree here
I meant to comment on your fb post but never got around to it. It was well said. I’m tired of political ads being of the “DID YOU KNOW MY OPPONENT LET A RAPIST MURDERER CHILD MOLESTER WALK FREE WHILE GIVING HIM YOUR JOBS AND A FREE GOVERNMENT HANDOUT WHILE REWARDING YOUR EMPLOYER FOR FIRING YOU?” tone. How about telling me what you plan to do to fix shit? The problem is, most voting Americans don’t want to fix shit.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
More than that, explaining how to fix shit requires two things:
1) Intelligence and understanding of the nuances inherent in all problems facing a nation of 300+ million
2) More than 30 seconds.
Most political candidates have neither.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
As crummy as negative ads are
I really think they’re valid in the case of Carl Paladino. The man is unbalanced.
Yeah, he is a little scary.
And given how….um….“not strong” Cuomo is, I think there were a lot of Republicans really pissed that he got the nomination. A real candidate might’ve had a shot of beating Cuomo.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
No fooling
I’d be willing to bet a nice pastrami sandwich could beat Paladino. Whoever decided it was a good idea for him to run was not thinking straight.
additionally
stating what you will do opens you up to accountability. pols are afraid of that
I VOTED TODAY!
Did you?
[please ignore if this is left after Tuesday November 2nd, 2010]
My sister moved here from Iowa two weeks ago
And she was shocked at the election commercials here. Apparently Ohio and Kentucky are off the charts on the hate-filled mudslinging compared to the rest of the country.
And I am not singling out any party. All are equally bad.
Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939
by Hawkeyegirl96 on Nov 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
cmon...
“equally”?
[although I’m not down in the Cinci area, so I dunno the quality of the Kentucky ads]
Peas porridge hot.
Peas porridge cold.
Peas porridge in a pot, nine days old.
Illinois was brutal this year.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And they're on all the time.
I mean, I complain about Citizens United just as much as the next commie lib, but i don’t even know how much good more money is going to do.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Aqua Buddha!
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
So they ran out of ballots in Bridgeport, CT, and started to make more by photocopying.
As far as I know, the two parties now have dueling complaints filed about running out of ballots (D) and photocopied ballots®. Sheesh.
Who runs out of ballots?!
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
In all fairness, CT is largely a D state, but with a big Governor and Senator race they shit the bed on this one
but, it’s Bridgeport, and I’m surprised people know how to read down there, much less fill out a ballot
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
heh, so photocopied ballats are registered now?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Rubio defeats Crist in FL
a Tea Party candidate defeats the GOP governor for US Senate seat.
interesting. the roots are growing.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
ive ignored jimmy fallon across the board since Fever Pitch
had to make a stand.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Crist was an independent this election
he was not going to get the nomination from the GOP for this senate race so he became independent. He also asked the democratic candidate for their votes when it was obvious Rubio would win.
When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it. Bob Bratkowski
Anyone really get the feeling that some sort of uprising is inevitable?
I mean, not like tomorrow or anything, but the distribution of wealth in this country just keeps moving away from the middle, and pretty soon the majority is going to get mad as hell and stop taking it any more.
definitely
my brother advised me to keep a gun in the house, just in case. i dont think he’s being unreasonable.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
yes it is. Mrs. Scrabbles and i have been looking recently at buying a house. we could conceivably get a mortgage for less than our rent, probably hundreds of dollars less.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though you missed the incentive, I can't imagine a better time to buy than now
If you can swing it, do it.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
That second sentence is your motto, isn't it?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And a valid reason to dismiss everything I say, right?
This is the problem. When I actually try to be serious no one will listen.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
well, if you take off that clown nose when you want to say something serious
we might just take you seriously.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
see below, troll
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
His right to choose awful burger joints
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
those joints should be heavily taxed
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
or just boarded up and burned to the ground
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don't like my fire, then don't come around
Cuz I’m gonna burn one down.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And legalized!
Wait, what are we talking about?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Sorry, dude. Don't mean to offend, but you do kind of bring it on yourself.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve been taking myself too seriously in an argument/discussion and you’ve made a silly/stupid comment.
It’s kind of your thing.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I didn't start it
I used to be a rational commenter here. Then the “jch is every illegitimate child’s father” joke took over and nothing I said was taken seriously ever again. I rolled with it.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
OK. I apologize. I will now take everything you say quite seriously from now on.
YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I honestly don't give a shit whether you take anything I say seriously or not
At the end of the day it’s the internet and we both go to bed and sleep like babies and we wake up tomorrow. Life goes on.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
And we all wake up, praise Jay Bruce
hold hands, and sing Kum-bay-ya.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
are we able to make Brendan's mom jokes next year?
is the 12 month moritorium over?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Nah, we're moving forward, right?
Next joke topic: JoJo
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be great, to see the reaction
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
anal tahoe
When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it. Bob Bratkowski
but at least at the end of the day I can say I've shared a cold Hudy Delight with you
so that’s gotta count for something
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a lot easier to believe in person
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
lot = YOUR FACE
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
This is a good point that I will consider in more detail
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Your avatar is a photograph of me with cupcake nipples
how seriously am I supposed to take you, exactly?
by thevole on Nov 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Vole-y is wise.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How seriously am I supposed to take you, exactly?
You posted a picture of yourself with cupcake nipples.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I wasn't the one complaining about not being taken seriously
This is the internet. Who the fuck is supposed to be taken seriously on the internet?
/ravenriley'd?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I approve this comment.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
there's "taken seriously"
and then there’s “seriously taken.”
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
hooo wee
green
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Comingtoyaaaahaaaa!!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
our lease is up next July
unfortunately, work is kind of uncertain.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Problem is, you need a huge down payment because banks won't loan anyone money.
Certainly not for a $650,000 2 bedroom apartment in my neighborhood.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
that's why i live in Real America
where $150,000 for a 3-bedroom split-level is an outrageous price.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in Columbus, he's not buying a $650K apartment
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
banks are lending TONS of people money
they just have to bring some equity and credit rating to the table nowadays.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
waywaywayyyyt
they’re lending tons of “money” to “people.”
Not tons of “people” “money.”
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd argue
too many people were lent money previously.
a little sanity has been restored. thank gawd.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Oh, I agree with you completely on that point.
Doesn’t change my first statement though. The quantity of money moving isn’t so far off, it’s just that it’s been consolidated into larger loans to people with better credit.
In other words, those who can capitalize on bargain prices with capital and good credit are doing so, and more power to them…but it’s going to cause backlash in the near future from those not capable of doing the same thing.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's gone too far the other way and you know it
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
hey....aren't you a new homeowner?
i could argue about this all night.
people without long tenure at their current jobs and with moderate credit scores are STILL getting approved.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I'm a new homeowner because I make more money than I owe
And fuck you for the inference.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
ha!
that was actually unintentional.
marco rubio makes a Marco Polo joke!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
all those houses built between 99-08
have to get sold to cover somebody’s line of credit.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not everywhere.
I have been working continuously for a single entity for 6.5 years. My wife and I both are fully employed, no kids, and both have credit scores above 770.
We wouldn’t get a loan for an apartment right now.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
why not?
lenders don’t look at how many kids you have, fyi.
the rest of it is pertinent info and looks good.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
kid lives in NY
it aint Real America. it’s all kinds of messed up.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
im defending you guys
the NY real estate market is crazy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It really really is
So’s the rest of the economy here, really. You’d all be shocked at how much my rent is (2 Damn High!) but then it’d make sense if I told you how much I make.
Exactly. I look at what teachers make in other parts of the country, and I realize why those teachers bitch about it
Then again, those teachers aren’t paying way too much for 500 square feet
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
not to push a hot button
but i absolutely hate the teachers are drastically underpaid line…
i have close experience with educators making close to 100k a year, in the ‘Nati. that’s more than a fair salary.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Uh...but everywhere else, they are not making 100k a year.
MOST teachers are underpaid.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
My sister makes just under 30,000 teaching high school chemistry
in a city with a cost of living well above cincinnati’s. And I know she makes more at the private school than she would at the city public schools. She’s got a bachelors degree in chemistry and a masters in education. Yeah, I think she’s underpaid.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
You didn't ask for statistically significant sample.
You asked for a definition.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
This begs an SIS, which will be up tomorrow
Someone has to drive traffic to this site. ;)
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
that seems more like an example than a definition
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Definitions by example are perfectly legitimate.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
i thought definitions by example were synonyms?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Look, I'm not going to explain ostensive definitions for you
because I know you don’t actually give a shit. Here’s a link.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
if it's on wikipedia, it must be true....
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd cite my college logic textbook, but I wanted a source people could access easily.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
To be fair, your college textbook isn't unbiased
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
History is written by the winners
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Thanks, Michael Jackson
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
no, it's not
And you know it as well as I do.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I'll have to check my office
I have a lot of my textbooks
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Should I make this an SiS?
I make a decent (not great) living with all of 35 hrs of college credit. I am 33 years old with 14 yea
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
define decent living
and don’t give me an example
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sucks to be your sister?
Move to a city with lower cost of living with higher pay?
Find a Summer job?
Sounds like your sister’s also overqualified to teach HS chemistry and so she’s probably compensated for the position, rather than her qualifications….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, I guess I see that as part of the problem.
A science degree and an education degree? That’s exactly who I’d want my kids to be learning science from. She could maybe go run assays for some company (like, Lexmark, e.g.) – and make more, but honestly, anyone who can follow a ten-step process can do that.
(I know this came off as just being whiny for my sister’s sake – but that’s really not what I was getting at)
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
it's an essay written by an asshole
When you chart (the plays) and see where it broke down there was no common theme to it. Bob Bratkowski
if that's who you want your kids learning science from, then you need to shell out from that in taxes and levies
if you’re cool with high taxes trying to pay for education, then sure, by all means, but the problem is we don’t get to pick where our taxes go
If I could pick where my tax money goes, my thoughts on taxes would be COMPLETELY different
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
all would go to locking up Janish to a long term arbitration avoidance deal?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
If Janish went to arbitration
would his relief pitching be brought up, and by which side?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
How would CT or Federal Taxes pay for that?
Let me know, then we’ll talk.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not everywhere,
I think a lot of places have specific millages for schools. Property taxes drive city budgets, and it’s a lot easier to exert influence on where your taxes go at the local level than on the federal level.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
oddly enough, i'm okay with paying high taxes
for a quality educational system.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Where to even start with this comment
I’ll just say that most states require teachers to get a master’s degree within 5-10 years or they lose their teaching license.
Also, it’s telling that you think having one makes you overqualified to teach. I guess we only want dumbasses teaching our kids
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lets not speak in absolutes
there are puh-lenty of dumbasses teaching our kids in the school system today.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we paid them more, maybe more non-dumbasses would want to be teachers.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Same with social workers
They average about 25K
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
supply and demand
the math teachers make mad money
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Really? Most of my math teachers were dumbasses.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
This seems like speculation.
I don’t think Fayette Co. math teachers are all that much better paid than any of the others.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
What?
You do know that teacher pay is unrelated to the subject they teach, right?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not down here
math and science teachers get a premium.
health and phys ed, not so much
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I see what you did there
…. I thought teachers chose to be teachers out of love of teaching, not for the paycheck….
Pretty sure they knew going in that they didn’t want to be a teacher b/c of the awesome $$$$
They choose to make a difference, and they choose to do so at a lower rate of pay
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought
most teachers chose to teach because they couldn’t actually do what they are teaching.
ive seen countless examples of that in my years.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Despite the obvious troll-baiting here, I'll bite
In my experience, people typically choose to teach because of a combination of 2 factors: They love the subject and they enjoy working with and being around young people.
If teachers are unbalanced in either direction they typically aren’t very good teachers. We’ve all had teachers that are super enthusiastic but don’t know what they are talking about, and others who are clearly brilliant but don’t know or care how to express that knowledge.
And the whole “those who can’t, teach” is such a ridiculous argument, because (even if it has some truth in some case) teaching requires a whole set of talents and qualities that most other professions, like, say, banking, don’t need.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which leaves a large number of teaching spots to those who have no passion for teaching.
and won’t make it anywhere else.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Teaching: Better than McDonalds
not a bad sell if you can’t find a job
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a great argument
So anyone who enters a profession because they enjoy it and are good at it doesn’t need to be paid fairly?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 3, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
you have to remember who you are talking to
he thinks money is the only measuring stick.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
gotta pay the bills somehow
a person could be GREAT at what they do and LOVE doing it, however it they cannot make ends meet then what’s the point?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
but you're saying paid fairly compared to other professions
I entered my first profession b/c I loved it, and I was great at it.
However, I made dick. I was paid fairly for my title in my industry, however I was still making shit money compared to other professions.
We can cry all we want that some teachers (b/c not all teachers are created equal) deserve more $$$$, however if they are paid near the median or mean for their industry, how do we fix/solve that problem?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
better school funding
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Schools already get a lot of money
From what I’ve seen they’re like every other gov’t funded agency, they have so concept of budgeting.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 4, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That really depends on the district
It’s quite unfair to say every school district doesn’t budget properly. My experience is the bigger districts and/or the ones with poor community involvement tend to do a poorer job because no one is checking on them to see how they are spending people’s money.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
HEY GUYS!!!!
LET’S SPEND ALL OUR MONEY ON FOOTBALL!!!1
LOLBBQOMGWAFFLEFRIES OKAY!!!1 FINE ARTS IS TEH SUCK.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I'm not painting them all, just the ones I've seen
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
how do american schools relate to foreign schools are far as funding?
i really don’t know.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure that matters in this discussion
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I can attest to the dumbassification of teachers
Dated an education major in college who made Justin’s writing look like Billy Shakespeare. She’s teaching 3rd grade in northern Ohio somewhere now.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
or is this more of a testament of XU?
I kid, I kid….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i can actually write when i need to
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
This makes no sense as a response to what I said
Absolute-ly none.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In KY it is 10 years
yet they have to pay you more money if you hae one, hence a lot of teachers with masters and no job
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Haha, what a well thought out plan.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
are those states or the schools where the teachers work paying for those Master's?
b/c if no, what’s the incentive? Fear of loss of job?
Become a qualified subject matter expert and teach your subject. A Master’s Degree does not qualify one as a SME, yet only signifies that they have a bit of professional student in them….
A Master’s to teach a HS subject? Overqualified in my book
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
most HS students have read less than 10 novels in their life
per Slyde
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
they're going to the wrong schools then
my Cincinnati East Side HS education made me read probably at least 3 times that number.
Thus why I dislike reading….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i love reading
probably knock out 20 books a year.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
right now my free time reading is this place
take that for what you will….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
suggesting a better use of my time?
or, have an actual book suggestion?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The former, but here, have an actual suggestion too!
Godric, by Frederick Buechner.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
how are most teachers paid in terms of cost of living?
100K might be livin high on the hog in the Deep South
100K ain’t shit up here in the NE
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No teachers I know can afford to buy a house
Unless their spouse is rich or they’ve been living rent free with their parents for years
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My wife is a laid off teacher in KY
She made 32K before budget cuts cost her her job.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
i cant believe this many siblings discuss salary
i have no idea what my sis makes, no would i ever ask
it seems to be a teacher phenomenon.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
He spoke about about his wife, not his sister
Get your shit straight.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
in KY wives can be sisters!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was about to say that!
Even though it would have been making fun of myself
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I have some cousins who teach down in VA
I they always talk about their salary
I think it’s a teacher thing to attempt to drive home the point that they make zilch for $$$$
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no shit, you live in NEW YORK CITY
Before you respond, I lived in Honolulu on the government’s dime. When given the option I moved to Cincinnati because I the ratio of money made versus money owed made a HELL of a lot more sense.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
that was a turrible decision
id love to be poor in paradise!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
But I work in suburban long island, where the pay is much better
And I couldn’t afford a house out there either. Wouldn’t want one, though. LI is more provincial than Cincinnati
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd be interested to know what district.
And I’d also wager a lot of money that if they really are making that much, it’s because they almost have a PhD (or they do actually have one) and they’ve been teaching for 25 years.
Also, they probably do a ton of after school clubs/sports that pay them extra but they also work extra for.
Not arguing it’s not fair, but this is so common it’s cliche.
“Teachers aren’t underpaid! I know a teacher that makes six figures! Therefore all teachers are paid fairly!!”
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
i know about 75 teachers
none of them are hurting.
im ok with increasing teacher pay, but get rid of tenure. and pay for performance, damn it!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Apart from being a bit creepy that you are familiar with the financial status of 75 different teachers
I’m sure those 75 are completely representative of the state of teacher salaries in the whole country
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
im a banker, doofus
but the vast majority of those teachers own residences and have more than 12 months expenses on deposit.
maybe teachers should flock to greater cincinnati
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
how do you measure performance?
Seriously?
If a teacher works in an inner city school, should they be held by the same standards?
If a teacher teaches the lowest level classes should they be held accountable?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
this is ridiculous
any employee in any organization should be held accountable.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I agree.
There are certainly plenty of unfair, inaccurate ways to measure teacher performance (just test scores with no context, for example) but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. And it needs to happen. Kids deserve nothing less.
by the finest muffins on Nov 5, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
what i am saying is
i think it is very difficult to judge teachers, different districts and different levels of classes will effect students results.
The best teacher in the world can struggle to produce “acceptable” results with one class, and a very mediocre teacher would do well with another.
I don’t think the current testing is a very good measure, and i think it forces teachers to teach to a test, which is less than optimal.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I paid 155K for 2300 square feet of finished space
When I left Hawaii I could have paid $1000/month for 600 square feet on the 23rd floor with no view. In early 1997.
You win because of the unbelievable lifestyle and cultural experiences, I win because I can tell people to get the fuck out of my yard.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Whereas thevole and I get to smell everyone's pot smoke
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
im biased
but chez jch is a sweet dig.
tell the dropping the chainsaw story@!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
That has no place in this discussion sir :)
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
forgot to tell ya
HLM21 was beaming about your place last weekend. very impressed!
fist bumps, again, for buying and not renting!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
It was a good buy
Common sense, one that we’ll both agree. If you have cash and can move in a depressed market, move.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
it's true, I was beaming
but I think that was b/c of the sweet bag of Reds gifts you gave me for my birthday!
I was still trying to warm up from a heatless Quatman’s
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
chez jch is a sweet dig
all it’s missing is a kegerator (b/c every fine house needs a kegerator!)
…. I want a kegerator
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, you don't wanna know what I paid for just shy of 2000 square feet of finished space in CT
I really like your house. Great yard, spacious and well laid out kitchen, love the room where your gas fireplace is, your bedroom is awesome with the massive walk in for The Peach (insert bedroom joke here), both your children have good sized bedrooms.
that being said, if I bought 2300 square feet around me, it would cost at least twice what you paid
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I thought would happen when I moved to DC.
I knew I’d pay approximately 3 times more in rent than when I lived in Cincinnati, but I assumed I’d make up for it with an inflated salary. Notsomuch.
by the finest muffins on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, just imagine when you're thinking about buying a house down here
Most people I know move out to the suburbs and purchase housing cause it’s cheaper, relatively of course.
Or they go back to the Midwest where they can purchase a house and property for about 1/4 or so of what it would cost down here.
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
DC's such a transient town anyway
Very hard to put down roots here.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
but i like it here. and i’m determined to make it work somehow!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Good luck
I want to be one of those people that moves back to the Midwest and gets a cheap house.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Go for it!
I know a lot of people who have done that.
I was watching some home buying show on TLC that took place in my hometown. They featured a 3 bdrm house for 95k and 5k deposit.
It can be done
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
But my point is your criteria (securely employed with good credit scores)
doesn’t necessarily secure a loan everywhere.
Not even close.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
there are no absolutes, just principles
its a good start!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
A better start would be to not talk in only absolutes.
Let’s all try that, mmkay?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I smell an SIS fanpost!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Nope:
I’m not going to die in childbirth, Anakin. I promise you.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. That's just not true.
And I’m not saying this because I’m trying to get a loan and can’t.
I’m saying this because it’s the truth.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
And that makes it sound like I'm trying to get a loan. I'm not
But I do know that the reason prices are so low is because no first time buyers can get a loan unless they have 20% or more to put down.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
they don't need 20 percent
but they do need between five and ten percent.
a policy that i absolutely agree with and the way its been for decades previously.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Depends on the market.
Maybe in Florida where you can buy a mansion for a song, you don’t need more than 10%. Any property in any kind of expensive market isn’t happening for less than 20.
But I agree that 10% down should’ve been a minimum all along.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Yep
Prices and mortgage rates are down. Perfect time to buy, so long as you don’t have a place to sell. /smacks forehead
by ken on Nov 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
In France, they protest at the drop of a hat. Students joined those pension protests, even though they won’t have to worry about pensions for another 40 years. (Can you imagine US college students joining seniors to protest social security benefits being reduced?)
Here…we just lie down and take it. Like Michael Moore said, we don’t want to tax the rich, because we all plan to be the rich one day.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Also what Michael Moore said: I love bacon.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No
you saw what happened this time with the “mad as hell” Tea Party. Any popular uprising gets co-opted and absorbed into the existing power structure.
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.
I'm not convinced Tea Party was a real uprising
mainly because, well, it was all about giving more power to elites. It is the closest thing the U.S. could have to a Royalist Revolution (which is a real thing, believe you me) and it’s happening.
The converse of the whole “Every American expects to be rich” thing is that it means that poor people are convinced its their fault they’re poor. I think that’s pretty fucking sad.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
i am not sure what it is
i mean the Tea Party is made up of a lot of Bush’s base. Bush was as radically anti social programs as the tea party, but they were pretty eye to eye on other issues such as low taxes, how many times did bush tell us Kerry was going to raise our taxes?
These people have just gotten louder.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Royalist revolution
Best description I’ve seen. And to think they are emulating the American revolution, which was anti-colonialist, anti-monachist and anti-imperialist. Bunch of bozos, marching forward into the neo-feudal future.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.
by Unmitigated Audacity on Nov 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ACORN files for bankruptcy today
shocker…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
This seems like a TERRIBLE idea.
I LOVE IT.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
FUCK YOU COMMIE!!!
GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY COUNTRY!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed you too, Scrabbles!
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been well, it's been an interesting couple of months.
I owe Ohio State more money than I want to think about right now, so, yeah, the usual on that front.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
bah
if tonight is any precursor, we wont a future in which to worry about paying back those loans.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Huzzah! Positive thinking!
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you have a large personal deficit
sounds like a democrat!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you feel the need to label everything
Sounds like a scurred old white dude.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
nah...things are about to get better, not worse
life is good. 7 more senate seats to go!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I see the trolls are out in force tonight!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
You say these things like anything will change.
Good luck with that! ;)
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
things can always change
ask Bear Stearns and Enron…
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
the beauty of unregulated free markets!
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
It still sort of blows my mind that people are more scared of rampant socialism than they are of rampant capitalism
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
truth
last I checked, they were both run by flawed humans.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Rampant anything is generally a bad idea
But one of them involves a much greater chance of you getting shafted.
Well, in my mind, the difference is
Socialism kinda shafts everybody.
Capitalism shafts about a third of people 3 times worse so the top end folks have it easy.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
In theory, communism works. In theory.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
so does dating batshit crazy hotties, no?
i recommend neither
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
professional baseball sucks in communist theories
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
like they say in Russia
“Everything they told us about communism was wrong. Everything they told us about capitalism was right.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'll just leave this here
Marge: I really think this is a bad idea.
Homer: Marge, I agree with you - in theory. In theory, communism Pros and cons of keeping the elephant, “Bart Gets an Elephant”
works. In theory.
-
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Also cromulent from that episode
“Those clowns in Congress have done it again. What a bunch of clowns!”
“Wow, how does it keep up on the news like that?”
Ya know, I was talking to my friend Desdemona the other day
She runs this space station and bake shop down near boomtown. She told me that human beings are flawed individuals. The cosmic bakers took us out of the oven a little too early & that’s the reason we’re as crazy as we are and I believe it.
That's because rampant socialism has already proven to
be a failure. Not so much with rampant capitalism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sweden called. They'd like a word with you.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Sweden's population according to its 2009 census is
9,354,462.
The city you live in as of July 2009 has 8,391,881 citizens.
Please, for the last time America: quit trying to compare this country to small European nations. Our size, scope and infrastructure dwarfs everything and anything anything Europe has with the exception of Russia and we all know how communist/socialistic ideas worked there.
Sweden is not rampant socialism. Sweden is a small place. Socialism works in small places. It’s a horrific, terrible, piece of dog shit any where with a population worth a damn and especially in a country as expansive and diversified the US.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, but that's not what you said. You said it has proven to be a failure, period.
That’s not true.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
No, I said:
That’s because rampant socialism has already proven to be a failure. Not so much with rampant capitalism.
Like I said, Sweden isn’t RAMPANT socialism. Rampant socialism is what the USSR was and what China had prior to 1976. It has proven to be a failure.
There has never been rampant capitalism. Anywhere.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
sure there has
19th century England. kids working 80 hour weeks, every orifice plugged with soot, bones made of chalk due to lack of vitamin D. lucky for civilization, we realized that shit just aint sustainable.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Now your getting into the politics of
aristocracy which is much more privatized fascism than capitalism, but yes, I’ll concede you the point. Still, England is still standing and it’s people have recovered. Unlike those in socialist states.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know what the hell you are talking about
“the politics of aristocracy”? when modern capitalism was born out of the Industrial Revolution, it so marginalized and alienated the working class that the bourgeois were forced to capitulate. it caused numerous revolutions, which were more or less put down. though the revolutions largely failed in the short term, the ramifications were astronomical.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlie, in England during that time
only an aristocrat could run for public office. You could become an aristocrat two ways — gain money (doubtful) or serve England with distinction (best chance). And those who controlled the government controlled the money and thus the working laws.
Ideal capitalism is opened to ALL peoples. Not those of a certain caste. That’s why capitalism is doing poorly in places like India where ones social level can prevent someone from starting a business.
What was happening in England, while capitalistic, wasn’t Capitalism. You’re right, modern capitalism was born out of the industrial revolution because finally someone — of un-aristocratic blood — could open his own fucking shop.
That’s all I’m trying to say. I agree with you on everything else.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yur semantics.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
nah Charlie is anti-semantic
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 3, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think you are overestimating how much control the aristrocracy had over the economy
sure, they were the only ones in Parliament, but there were plenty of small business folks, even before the IR. i think we are in agreement otherwise.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Small businesses were taxed to crap, but yeah
we be on the same page.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm down.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
hell it happened in america
The Chicago Shirtwaste fire killed over 100 workers, many of whom died because management locked the doors during working hours, so they had no way to escape.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I'm very aware of this case.
At the same time this isn’t RAMPANT capitalism. We’re too smart in this country to allow things to become overblown.
This is one case, a very sad, awful case, but it doesn’t make it rampant.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you are playing semantic games
by any reasonable definition, this is “rampant” capitalism. we were just able to step away from the ledge before we teetered over it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampant capitalism would be a scenario
in which the government never DID step in and it led to a full-scale downfall of the government’s structure. Luckily, the US gov’t did step in, for the good of everyone.
That’s all I’ve been trying to say this whole time.
Look, I don’t want rampant capitalism just like I don’t want rampant socialism. I just think there’s a knee-jerk reaction in this country to hate anything that is seen as socialist — because we’ve seen what has happened elsewhere.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
alls im saying
is we have certainly seen the terrible effects of “near-rampant” capitalism just as well, but there is no mobilized force in the political arena who decries it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Labor unions in this state sure as fuck do.
Jesus, I’ve learned to hate those guys.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
labor unions are roundly chided by everyone but their members these days
they dont have nearly the volume of voice that the McCarthyists do.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and it is amazing
i know there are some unions that destroyed their companies, but most didn’t. I’m guessing by and large poor management has destroyed businesses than labor unions.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
These people in Illinois are just assbags and they still have some pull.
My favorite are the dudes who don’t actually work labor but “work fo the union.” That’s som horseshit right there.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
my dad just got a job with the teamsters
he’s been a shit-shoveler his entire life, and this is the first job he’s ever had where he get a decent wage and doesnt come home needing to take a handful of painkillers.
so i likes my unions right now.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this is probably the most severe example i could find
but factories very much abused their workers during the gilded and progressive age, because it was too their financial benefit.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
plus there is a bit of a difference between Russian/Cuban/Korean socialism
and Sweadish socialism.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Very much so. Just like US capitalism and
Indian capitalism and Chinese capitalism all have their differences. My point, as I was making it via Nukkah’s original post
It still sort of blows my mind that people are more scared of rampant socialism than they are of rampant capitalism
is that socialism has failed in the past. All within the last 100 years. There is proof and books and all kinds of shit. Capitalism, however, has been checked and changed and altered but has never failed. It’s still alive. Alive enough that socialist countries have adopted some of its principles.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
could not disagree more
I think both are proven failures.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Capitalism hasn't failed yet. Socialism has.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay no mind to these pinkos
What does the “Red” in Red Reporter stand for, anyways?
by ken on Nov 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel that in a way capitalism has failed
there have been a number of recessions due to lack of regulation.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Recessions suck. But not as much as revolts
and full-scale anarchy.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it could be argued
that socialism is what prevented revolts and full-scale anarchy.
Supposedly, the reason our fearless leaders voted for the bailout for billionaires was that they were warned there would be “tanks in the street” if they didn’t.
Pure capitalism would have allowed the banks to fail. You screw up, you go bankrupt. You don’t get a government bailout.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, tell that to the guy that got the
shit kicked out of him by the Rand Paul jackasses in Kentucky.
You don’t think the tea partiers are pissed because the government did bail people out?
Alot of the animosity in this country has been caused BY stuff like bailouts. Why? Because people are scared shitless of socialism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
but imagine if the banks completely collapsed
people lost their life savings, money in their checking accounts, and the other industries took an even harder fall because of it.
The reaction could have been much worse than simply a historically fast change in congressional power.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
You mean like the Depression?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but i think we have seen that are reactions to things are a bit different today.
I think socialism scares the shit out of people due to semantics and lack of education. People associate socialism with Cuba/Korea/USSR. But that isn’t the only type of socialism. Universal health care is not on that level, helping large failing companies is not on that level.
It has to due with our cultural values. We are capitalists, we value that, and we feared socialism in the 50s, long before it was proven to be the terrible failure in the USSR that it is now thought of today.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Which takes me directly into something
I hinted at with Creds concerning European nations and their comparison to the US. This country can and never will be able to adapt to other cultural politic policies. It’s too big, too diverse and too crazy.
It’s why I’ve given up.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not in favor of people getting stepped on
But come on. Police brutality is widespread, and always has been. It has nothing to do with anger over the bailouts.
Indeed, most Americans support the bailouts now, because they think it worked. (I think that’s incorrect, but that’s beside the point.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Those weren't police officers. Those
were average citizens.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i would like to believe they are below average.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Not in Kentucky!
/rim shot
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but
the motivation was the same.
The only difference is now, everyone has a cell phone camera.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
No, this was pure anger.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
so were the Watts Riots
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Again, no police here.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
cops weren't involved in all the Watts incidents, either
Some random motorists were targeted. The anger wasn’t just about the police.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Nah, the police had a lot to do with it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
the spark was an encounter with the cops
But the root cause was what you might call not enough socialism. The anger was over bad schools, high unemployment, and discrimination.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Kind of like our riots were more caused by cases like Roger Owensby (sp?) than Timothy Thomas
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
What's incorrect is that people support the bailouts
The Republicans just ran over the House precisely because people are still pissed about the bailouts and blame the Democrats (even though most of it was Bush, and the TARP program is going to end up costing the government very little in the long run)
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
full-scale anarchy rocks and you know it
that’s why we love college football
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I think they've both failed
That is, to survive, both have moved toward the center. Capitalist economies have had to adopt socialist elements, and socialist economies have had to adopt capitalist elements.
Rampant capitalism has failed. Here and in other countries. All the wealth ends up concentrated in a few hands. Then there’s the problem of the profits being privatized while costs are socialized.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I still say rampant capitalism has never trully been
allowed. Charlie brought up England’s industrial revolution but that still got curbed prior to capitalism becoming rampant — mainly because the social structure of the country at the time didn’t allow for true rampant capitalism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you get pretty close
in Third World countries.
How about Somalia? No government, so the people make their living taking over wells and selling the water, or hijacking passing oil tankers and demanding a ransom.
I would say the main difference between us and the Soviet Union is that we adjusted and became more socialist, while they did not make similar accomodations.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
4th world countries actually
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Somalia is anarchy.
Meet a Somalian, they’ll tell you the same thing. They “love capitalism.”
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
but
isn’t anarchy rampant capitalism?
If socialism is too much government, then people who are scared of socialism should love anarchy.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Anarchy is not even close to capitalism.
As a former anarchist and a karate expert, I approve this post.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but doesn't "rampant capitalism"
imply lack of government?
The Libertarian view, where the government only provides national defense, if that?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yes, but it doesn't imply a lack of
“owning shit.” Libertarians want to own things. Many, many, anarchists want to do away with the concept of possessions.
That’s the issue with anarchy. There’s individual anarchy and group-based anarchy. Group-based is the more dominant form.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
then Somalia is not an anarchy
They own things, and don’t want to do away with ownership.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
like he said earlier
“rampant capitalism” is a title only given posthumously.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, didn't rampant capitalism pretty much put us in our current mess?
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
We're still floating. Rampant socialism has destroyed
countries completely. We’re not well off but we’re not that bad.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well China's still standing
And we’ve had to change our oversight of banks, investment houses, hedge funds, what-have-you because very little was being regulated.
That’s a pretty big failure of capitalism
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Wrong. China is more capitlaistic now than ever
before. And the only reason it’s standing is because it opened up its doors to capitalism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd argue the only reason it is standing is the oppression and manipulation of its people to put all its efforts towards the benefit of the state
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I'd argue that it's because the country finally
has an economy. And more than that, an international economy. Something that pre-1976 China was scared shitless about.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to break it to you but China's a socialist state
And it didn’t open its doors to capitalism, as you claim.
The state still controls a lot of what gets done in the country. There’s nothing capitalistic about that, unless you happen to be a part of politburo. In which case – congrats comrade!
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
well sorta
i’ve been to Cuba (bet nobody at RR knew that), and I’ve been to China.
China is much more capitlistic than Cuba, or Cuba has a much more controlled economy than China.
Cuba allows very few private small businesses, and the regulations are so harsh, they fail. Most of the private businesses in Cuba are geared towards the tourism industry, and they are run by foreign companies, their are a number of Dutch and Spanish run hotels in Havana. All of the workers salary is taken away in taxes, except for their $15 and rations card, so there is no money for anything beyond the necessities of life. Most people who have cars are higher up in society.
Where as in China, people who live in the cities actually get to keep their income, their pay is based on their job, and they have extra money to spend on things. There are giant shopping malls in urban centers. That doesn’t happen in Cuba.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Not true.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
your argument is so flawed
as i said above (which i know you haven’t had time to read yet), rampant capitalism has failed, which is why we have financial regulations. If things were completely free market, rampant capitalism would fail too.
Neither an unregulated or command economy is ideal, you have to find a balance.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Read up above: I stated that rampant capitalism
has never, ever existed. Anywhere. Hence that’s why more people aren’t as afraid of it as rampant socialism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty much the reasoning that inspired the thread, I think.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
why would we expect anything less from jch?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's why I'm here
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
COUCHRIDES FOR ALL!
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I do what I can for ya baby
If I had a cell phone, I’d call you and we’d laugh hysterically.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i say piss on cel phones
that all deserve to be tossed in the shitter
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I like mine, thank you. Toss your own phone in the shitter.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to exactly 0 of those places.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, this is a bad idea
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
There are no fewer than three mods in this thread
We’ll be fine.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
this is the most life this creaky old place has seen in weeks!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Again I say
I do what I can.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Does that include going to a heatless Quatman's?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
might be better that way
when your taste buds warm up the food tastes worse.
hand formed patties my golf course grillin ass!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
wow!
even jch said it tasted like a golf course burger that day!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why you all need to start listening to me
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
*except when I listen to HLM
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you should listen to me and get your ass to By Golly's in Milford
truf
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
we are still bummed you didnt make it to Opening Day
one of a kind!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I saw that was Friday....
Friday was my 1 opportunity to drag my old man to By Golly’s to prove to him that I know what I’m talking about in certain spheres of influence in my life
Next time I’m in town, Opening Day is a must. Hell, I suggested it to jch Saturday….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're still fulla shit here
My schedule was open, what about yours?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
common
you dislike OD. i would back you if you ordered the chili there. ack.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Inever said I disliked H&T's
I simply refused to turn a shithouse place with a decent burger into a local legend. How was the tamale, or the chili? Or better yet the guy/gal sitting next to you?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
it is a local legend
bologna and cheese, yum. grilled cheese in burger fat, yum. tamales and rye with horseradish, yum.
the chili? enema time.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
don't make fun of the fine hard working people that are regulars at opening day
they are a friendly lot & you should be ashamed for thinking you are better than them!
he's gone upscale since the relo to silverton
i’m gonna call him Mr Jefferson now!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 5, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tight schedule
I’ve admitted to that
However, I made plenty of venue suggestions, and then you fixated on Norwood I’m sure as compromise to my schedule.
Regardless, still great to see you and see your new digs.
and the Hudy was ICE cold!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I offered TTC and Gordo's, this isn't a fight you want hoss
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
You offered Gordo's. You might have offered TTC.
I checked Gordo’s website to see what time the Roof Patio opened. It was 12:30.
Regardless, I offered up a whole laundry list.
And, I’m glad how things played out, b/c now we can finally put to bed Quatman’s having any leg to stand on in the Cincy Burger Fight
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
hasnt it been dead last on the obc,bk,mads ballot?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
the fact that it's even ON the ballot....
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
where did jch go?
time to check the GA voting results?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Yes
Their mock turtle soup was even subpar, according to Mads
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he had the veggie soup
i tried to influence him to get the mock turtle soup, no go.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I would not even consider their so-call mock turtle soup
And it wasn’t out of loyalty for TT either…that stuff looked like Musk Ox puke.
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
This is complete horseshit, and I won't allow you to spew it
I offered both Gordo’s and TTC. Gorco’s opened at 12:30, TTC opened at 1:00. YOUR SCHEDULE ALLOWED NEITHER. Thereby, we went to Quatman’s which sucked. Are we done here?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I offered more than just Gordo's and TTC
You said Gordo’s, they opened at 12:30. We never talked about when TTC opened.
Quatman’s opened earlier, we went there.
However, I would have driven to Opening Day, Zip’s, or Sammy’s…. all of which I originally suggested.
Seriously, check your texts!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't, destroyed my phone an now have a new one :)
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Don't worry, I have them all
The sad part about this he said he said is we’re both right on some level
And your screen was cracked Saturday
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 4, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't say I cracked the screen :)
I got it wet Sunday night, frying it completely.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
That could be taken wrong on one level.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
takes potty humor to another level
its 50/50 if he flushed and it stopped up the toilet.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Define your laundry list, I DARE YOU.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I offered Opening Day, Gordo's, TTC, Sammy's, Zip's
That was my laundry list.
Seriously, check your texts!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
enough about the MAB&G thing....
you brought that up Saturday, I’m still licking that wound….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll bring it up forever, it's what he does
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
fair enough
but i would go to MAB&G before going back to quatmans.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tough call there, due to the olives
But ultimately I agree.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Remember
You can order a MAB&G burger without olives. You can’t order a Quatman burger without the JTM golf course burger shit patty.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or the BK notthere'dness
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
and poor beer selection
that said, chip needs to order bud select dammit.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Chip had plenty of Bud Select last week
Took my brother & parent there for the first time. They were impressed!
seriously, why the F did you or would you ever order an olive burger?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame BK
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
You didn't even order one
You had a plain double cheeseburger.
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
nice memory
holes in the conspiracy theory are being ID’d.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
it was intriguing
a martini burger sounded good!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Boston Blackie's
makes a mean one. Ya gotta come to Chicago, though.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
where is boston blackie's?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
northern suburbs for def
i think there’s one on the north side, too
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I never stopped
Just wish you would have thrown back a few with me and obc on Saturday!
And in all fairness, we ended up @ Quatman’s b/c I knew it would make jch’s day, and I was on a tight schedule and couldn’t wait for Gordo’s to open (jch’s suggestion, and a great one)
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you'll get used to that, fyi
jch is a great VP, just don’t give him keys to the White House.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
bullshit
I offered Quatman’s as a compromise, your schedule was tight. Fair enough, but don’t paint me as a Quatman’s supporter. I’m officially done with them after this, along with Bard’s after their recent “we’re out of meat” bullshit.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
You could have went to Oakley Pub and had a 10x better burger in a similar time frame and distance from Gordo's
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I texted you that morning
Did you text me that information? No.
Did you text me that information considering you’re that close? No.
THEN STFU.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
this seems like an offline discussion...
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
But it's so entertaining! Don't deprive your audience.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
of course it does
BECAUSE I’M RIGHT.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
You told me you were going to Quatman's before I had the chance to suggest anything
And I thought you were joking, but you weren’t. Comparatively, I’m pretty happy with my choice of a McRib
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bull fucking shit and you know it
The boy’s schedule dictated that we stay close to the Montgomery Rd exit.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
that's not accurate
the boy wanted to go to opening day!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I have texts that say otherwise
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
and I have texts that say otherwise to your otherwise!
Exact text
“Opening Day? Gordo’s? We could do TTC? Zip’s? Sammy’s in Blue Ash? I can pick you up, just gettin’ hungry Snookum”
10/30 – 9:34 AM
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He called me puddin' in some texts, so I called him Snookums
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Where did you need to be at 1:00 PM EDST on 10/30/2010? What was his name?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I had to meet up with some friends @ 1 PM at one of their houses in IH
Had you been able to make it out to Dave & Buster’s like obc, all of this would have been a moot point.
Had I kicked people out of my house Friday night, we could have drank at your house.
I apologize that I overbooked myself.
Can’t we just find a nice romantic booth @ Zip’s next time I’m in town?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You got it, snookumpuddin!
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Bull fucking shit!
My schedule dictated no such geographic proximity! Granted, I had a schedule, but I suggested driving as far South as KY and as far North as Blue Ash!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It was real
Real shitty
but jch was there, which was all a lady ever needs
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
also one of my venue suggestions
I almost went there for dinner Saturday, but we went to BD’s Mongolian Grill instead.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
BD's is fucking great
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they had a lot of new proteins Saturday
never seen ribeye before. they also had multiple kinds of sausage (insert joke here). they had duck. had some marinated pork.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Never seen duck or pork there before
They had dollar drafts of Sam Oktoberfest last time I was there, too
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Who cares what kind of food they have?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
they had $1, $2, and $3 Sam October drafts
ranging from 10 oz to 16 oz to 22 oz
dreamy
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What size drafts are you ordering?
A pint is 16 ounces, and the “talls” are generally 22 oz. I agree that 10 ounces is very small, but I could see it for $1. Not necessarily worth ordering, but I can see it.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
well.
3 ten ounce drafts would be 30 ounces and $3
or you could order a 22 ounce draft for $3.
I’m ordering the one that give me the most for my money.
If that's true I don't even need to eat
What the hell did we get off early for?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Sam Adams makes a very good oktoberfest
especially when you consider it’s a sam adams product.
However, after having about 6 different octoberfests this fall, I think the Great Lakes is the best.
They had Sam Adams at the
Marine Halloween party.
That was cool.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Oh shit!
I went through all of October and didn’t have a Dogfish Head Pumpkin Ale! Hopefully they still serve it.
I saw it last weekend at Party Source in Newport
Ash Lee bought me a 4 pack of it & it was as awesome as I remembered.
Hopefully, they still have it in your area.
Moerlein makes a damn tasty one too
I picked up some of that Friday @ Party Source
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate Moerlein
it’s the worst “good” beer out there.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I agree here
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Had some Bells Best Brown Ale yesterday
smooooth. very drinkable. i’d give it an 8 out of 10.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Went to an Irish pub up here last night
Me and my future cousin in law sampled the following beers:
Rogue Dead Guy
Bluepoint Oatmeal Stout
Grimbergen Abbey Beer
Harp
Bluepoint Toasted Lager
Bluepoint Rastafa Rye
Palm
Of the list, I list the top 3 as:
Grimbergen
Palm
Rogue Dead Guy
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 7, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
ive never heard of a "future cousin in law"
much less Drank with one. sounds rednecky.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
it's a Polish thing
only 1/2 of me understands it
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 8, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
whatever
“And here we observe the jch24 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement….”
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"Quatman's is a damn good burger" jch24, a hundred times this year
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
their fries were tasty
and the beer was ice cold (as was most of the rest of the restaurant)
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I suggested MULTIPLE venues
Yes, my schedule was tight. However, you seemed excited about Quatman’s and the last thing I wanted was a disappointed jch….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
again, bull fucking shit
It’s okay that Quatman’s sucked…..I agree completely at this point.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
he's calling you out, N!
seems like we have ourselves a mystery here.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
great, now I get to screenshot my texts from jch?
in jch’s defense he said he would prefer Gordo’s over Quatman’s, but I didn’t want to wait until 12:15 to pick him up.
Sound the failhorn for my schedule
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a weak defense
Gordo’s is the best in Cincy….Quatman’s is the worst.
tis like saying he prefers Hanley to Ocab.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
O-Cab was a shortstop on a division winning team
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
that's worth an Opening Day burger next season on me
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
crolfer ain't scared o' no bees
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
"read my proboscis!"
“no new honey taxes!”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm proud to be the first to rec this
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Reminds me of that ant in Honey I Shrunk the Kids
which was a friendly ant! And kind of adorable! So no. I am not afraid of giant killer bees.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
really?
that ant-scorpion fight scarred me for life.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Seriously though, I offered this up as serious discussion in a comedic venue
What’s important to you? How do you think candidate X represents your stance in the grand scheme of things? Better yet, the question I’ve always asked myself when voting for any publicly elected official – Is this the person that I want voting on issues that affect my day to day existence?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
tl;dr
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Fucking perfect
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
to be fair...
i don’t see one political candidate who could realistically represent your core beliefs and lifestyle choices.
they’d be unelectable!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"my first executive order, if i am elected to office,"
“will be that all the chicks gotsta take their tops off.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'll rec this
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
a one, and a two...
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said I want someone to represent my core beliefs and lifestyle choices
I said I want someone I feel comfortable with voting on issues that affect my day to day life.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
what issues?
yuengling is already coming to town, your #1 issue has been addressed!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
I’m done letting you get away with this, just so ya know.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whats your day to day issues?
right to bear arms? check.
right to pursue happiness? check.
right to post filth on the internet? check.
wait…..you moved, willingly, to a non-smoking state!!!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
I’ll keep doing it.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
third time's a charm
what issues? (avoiding the direct question like a master politician, holmes…)
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
It's always going to be a "who will fuck me less?" game
I don’t represent the voting majority of America, this I’m sure of. In a perfect world everyone votes for the person who best represents their core values, and the federal government steps in when things get out of hand. The best I can do in my day to day life is to vote for the guy who I think will make the best decisions for me. I don’t give a rat’s fucking ass about gay marriage, illegal immigration, or rich peoples’ taxes. IT DOESN’T AFFECT ME.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
For the same reason people who play poker go all in...
and then they lose and stop playing without a re-buy.
Roll the dice, hope it works, re-route and change format when it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if your strategy was sound or not, it’s all results, results, results.
PS: I can’t believe I just typed “results” 3 times in a row without typing resluts once. I guess I’m learning.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"In a perfect world everyone votes for the person who best represents their core values"
wrong! in a perfect world, everyone votes for the person who will do what is best for them and everyone else. i think this is one thing we’ve gotten seriously wrong in this country.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But is that at all practical or realistic?
I mean, you say it’s something we’ve gotten wrong in this country.
But has any country ever gotten it right in that way? I’d argue no. It’s human nature for people to vote for and support who they think will make things easiest for them.
It’s why so many people around here are democrats……until they become rich.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dunno
i get the sense that individualism isnt such a big deal in Western Europe, at least not as much as it is here. ive noticed a more defined sense of community among them. not saying they got it “right”, but trying to counter your first thought there.
whether or not they did or not, we certainly didnt. and that’s the important thing im trying to say.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true to an extent.
But I lived in London for two years and saw their election cycle.
They all vote for whom they think will make their life the easiest. The difference (IMHO) is that things are set up in many of those countries to be more equitable, regardless of current opinion. No one argues about health care in the UK. Everyone has it, and has for years.
Also, it’s easier for things to appear more unified in countries that are much smaller and more homogenous than us. Imagine if the country was only TN, KY, WV, VA, NC, and SC. And another country was VT, NH, RI, MA, NY, and MA. I’m sure people could look at those countries and hold them up as a model for people supporting the common good with their politics. That’s easier to do when almost everyone agrees.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
i see your point
but i think your underselling just how diverse Europe, especially England is. they have far more shades of brown than we do.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And they discriminate against them a lot more.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Somewhat, but culturally they are MUCH more homogenous than the US
and that goes infinitely more for Scandinavian countries where they are much more “community minded.”
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
FWIW, it's the same thing with education
Finland kicks everyone’s ass in education and test scores. Well, it’s much easier to do that when everyone looks the same, speaks the same language, and has the same general outlook on life.
Not so easy in the US.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
I'm probably wrong
But northern and western Europe seem to be on some interesting kicks. Canada too.
Geert Wilders says hello
but only to you, and to none of your black friends
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Bullshit
The underlying theory of democracy is that each person votes in their best interest and at the end of the day the majority’s interests are represented.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i think lots of people vote for who has the coolest name
or who is the best looking.
im not joking.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I only vote for chicks
Red Reporter or follow on Twitter: @redreporter. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
That chili guy isn't gonna fucking win
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 2, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
/electoralcollege'd
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like the electoral college
It works as a level to magnify the power of the individual voter, and protects us from the tyranny of the majority (and the internecine strife that results from it).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
omg,
it is an out-dated tool to control elections.
by Eastwindquinn on Nov 3, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it isn't
A mathematician named Alan Natapoff has mathematical proof that the electoral college is better than the raw vote.
He even uses a baseball analogy to explain why.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
professor at MIT
Definitely a nerd.
However, he’s an influential nerd. He testified before Congress the last time they were thinking about getting rid of the electoral college, arguing in favor of keeping it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
dunno if it's all his fault
But the 2000 election didn’t change his mind. He thinks the guy getting fewer votes winning an election occasionally is a small price to pay for the stability the electoral college gives us.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
it works to magnify the power of the voter in small states
it weakens the power of the voter in large states.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
sort of
He argues that the point isn’t to give each voter equal power. In a dictatorship, every voter has the same power: zero. Clearly, that’s not desirable.
Rather, you want to increase each voter’s individual power. Which means maximizing the chance that they can swing an election. That is, that they can be Bill Mazeroski, winning the series with one swing, even though the other team might have scored more runs over the series.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i find the sports analogy to be less than satisfying
he doesn’t really explain why government officials should be treated like sports teams in the regards of groupings. Really when you consider the games vs run differential argument, it really is a matter of entertainment. There is much less drama in a game, if the outcome of that single game isn’t as important as the run differential for the entire season. It is a pretty weak comparison.
James Madison, chief architect of our nation’s electoral college, wanted to protect each citizen against the most insidious tyranny that arises in democracies: the massed power of fellow citizens banded together in a dominant bloc. As Madison explained in The Federalist Papers (Number X), "a well-constructed Union" must, above all else, "break and control the violence of faction," especially "the superior force of an . . . overbearing majority." In any democracy, a majority’s power threatens minorities. It threatens their rights, their property, and sometimes their lives.
This argument plays fast and lose with colonial history.
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.
-Hamilton
It was created to distant the electorate from the power of voting for the President, which is why there it takes 50%+1 of the electoral college to be elected President. The Founders didn’t really anticipate the strong two party system that we feel today, and felt that most Presidential elections would fail to produce a candidate who would receive the required number of votes, so the burden of choosing the President would fall on the House.
This argument fails to persuade me:
A well-designed electoral system might include obstacles to thwart an overbearing majority. But direct, national voting has none. Under raw voting, a candidate has every incentive to woo only the largest bloc— say, Serbs in Yugoslavia. If a Serb party wins national power, minorities have no prospect of throwing them out; 49 percent will never beat 51 percent. Knowing this, the majority can do as it pleases (lacking other effective checks and balances). But in a districted election, no one becomes president without winning a large number of districts, or "states"-say, two of the following three: Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia. Candidates thus have an incentive to campaign for non-Serb votes in at least some of those states and to tone down extreme positions-in short, to make elections less risky events for the losers. The result, as George Wallace used to say, may often be a race without "a dime’s worth of difference" between two main candidates, which he viewed as a weakness but others view as a strength of our system.
If the majority was that overbearing, chances are, as he said before, the majority would be distributed well enough to provide a simple win for the their candidate with the electoral college. I feel that even without an electoral college, pols will still pander to minorities, because having strong support from a group that makes up 30% of the population is very helpful towards receiving the most votes. McCain received more white votes than Obama, yet Obama won because he did well with almost every minority group, and Obama won the popular vote by a large margin.
I also don’t buy that it is better because it means a vote in a small group is more important, because it can sway that small electorate. Even the smallest state in the U.S.‘s population is so large that it won’t be greatly effected by a single individual.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
and i think history has shown it to be an unwise move
community interests count for something. or at least, they should in your perfect world.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why we're in a republic
or, as you thought it was spelled, “repubic”
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There's the undermining of a rational comment I was waiting for
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Hey, you show jch24 some respect.
Back in the day he was a serious commenter here, dammit.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There's the undermining of a rational comment I was waiting for
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
you earned it, asshole
(You know I love ya.)
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Read my comment above
You wanna engage me in a serious discussion where five people don’t respond with a illegitimate child or STD joke? I’d love it.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
hey, calm down
i’ll buy you a new game of risk!
i propose a one year ban on jch baby references. can i get a witness?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
"And here we observe the obc2 in its natural habitat, changing the argument to deflect attention from his original statement...."
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I don't want to engage anyone in a serious discussion about anything
because that’s not why I come to RedReporter.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Precisely.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel worse, they were illegitimate child jokes and they werre wrong
obc? Care to comment?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i miss baseball...
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jay misses you.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't make one of those jokes
I said the word pubic, but I put a “re” in front of it.
My subject still stands though. Sorry I’m not allowed to put a lame joke with a serious one. But this is a representative democracy, not a pure democracy. Majority rule isn’t the same. If every issue went to a public vote, then voting selfishly would make sense. But since it doesn’t, I believe it is in the best interest of everyone to vote for the representative is best for the community.
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Don't worry
Edgar Renteria will be signed soon and we can start having Edgar v. Paul debates.
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I solemnly swear right now
that I will not participate in those discussions.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read that as "Red Auerbach" and
thought of championships immediately.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
See here, especially the part about "steps in"
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
right
but even at the state level we are just representative. You said “each person votes in their best interest and at the end of the day the majority’s interests are represented.” I don’t believe that is true. Take an issue like healthcare for 9/11 first responders (only because it is an easy one, but imagine a similar state or local level issue, if you’d like). You put that vote, and only that vote, to the public, and I guarantee it passes easily. However, because of shitty politics from our representative government, it did not pass.
Don’t get bogged down in the specific issue. My point is that who we elect does not represent majority interests because of things like districting, political parties, and simple grudges. I agree that voting selfishly is the intention of a true democracy. I just don’t believe that we have that kind of democracy.
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I agree that we don't have that kind of democracy
It won’t stop me from voting in vain though.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
i like your think
not voting is incredibly stupid.
im waiting for the little miami and lakota school district results. any word?
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
What's Lakota voting on?
them’s my peeps.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
My friend works at West. This fails, he prob loses his job
But I’m sure he was overpaid anyway
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When was the last time Little Miami voted FOR a levy?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
looooooooong time ago
they all put up anti levy signs in their yards up there
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
But they do frequently drive chevies to them.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
by andromache on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i got my absentee ballot back in the mail today
they rejected it because they didn’t like my signature, or so they say. I think they really rejected it because I voted for a socialist.
I can mail it back, but why waste the stamp?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 8, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not telling you how to vote
I’m just arguing your “majority interests” point.
Vote however you like. Personally, I don’t feel like we should ever vote for anyone who wants to get into politics.
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You're arguing the "majority interests" point without considering the words that come right after it
An ever-hovering entity need to exist to smack the general public down when they’re stupid.
I agree with you wholeheartedly on the second paragraph, William Sherman and all that shit.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
when was the last time I made a illegitimate kid or STD joke?
all my discussions are serious with you
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's necessarily true.
Wouldn’t “each person votes for the person they think will best serve the interests of the community” just as good a description?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
John Stuart Scrabbles
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
i vote sorta against the grain
for national elections i’d like someone who appoints Supreme Court Justices who “mirror” my beliefs.
other than that…i want someone who is decisive and uses good judgement. and, preferably, someone who can attract employers to the local region!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
so you care more about Congressmen than Senators
or Governors, for that matter?
And, while it’s fine to not give a rat’s fucking ass about gay marriage, you should on principle alone give a rat’s fucking ass about illegal immigration and rich peoples’ taxes since illegal immigration can directly impact you and isn’t the America Dream working towards higher tax brackets so eventually how rich people are taxed would directly impact you?
Me? I like small government, low taxes, economic stability and consistency, and ridiculously strong foreign policy.
Matters like Gay Marriage and Abortion, that’s where I lose sight of the Black & White and go completely Grey Street, since I have Gay relatives whom I love dearly and want to understand their fight more, and Women have it tough enough so they should be able to choose more things, ya know?
But that’s just me….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm being daft, the same as everyone else
If you want to “curb illegal immigration”, bust the shit out of people employing illegal immigrants and not paying taxes. DO NOT PUNISH the people working. Charge them standard taxes and charge the company 10X to prove a point. Move the forces from border patrol to tax inspection.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
thats a hot button topic
anyone against immigration is immoral. now illegal immigration is a different thing altogether.
i agree with penalizing companies who hire illegals and that includes politicians who almost have endentured servants.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
It's a rough choice up here in VT.
We’ve got about 2000 Mexican migrant farmworkers, mostly from Chiapas and Oaxaca – the poorest states in Mexico, who were hit hardest by free trade agreements.
They keep the VT’s small dairy farms running – when no one else wants to do the work. Who do you punish? The small, family farmers? Not going to happen, at least in VT.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
NAFTA shipped hundreds of thousands of jobs to Mexico
So we can call it even.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
I don't buy it
even if you punish businesses with taxes or penalties if they employ non-tax-paying illegals, they will just find ways to find cheaper labor.
Outsourcing, I’m sure you’ve heard of that in our IT world….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely
You’re goddamned right Ive heard of outsourcing, I fell prey to it the first time around, when you were hoping to get your driver’s license. :)
Yeah I know I’m being a hypocrite, there’s a point.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I'd be interested to hear from anyone who lives in a secret ballot union election - ballot initiative state.
How much airtime did the issue get? Is it really clearly divided between factions on the yes-and-no?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
i had an interesting voting experience today
i voted for a Socialist in the senate race. i like neither Portman nor Fisher, and i knew Portman had it in the bag, so i figured what the hell. i feel subversive.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife works with the socialist senate candidate's wife
Wait, what the fuck am I doing in this thread?!?!?!
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Why do you dislike Portman?
Asking out of pure curiosity
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i like rob portman
but i did laugh at his pol ad re: moving forward.
the visual was of cincy with riverfront stadium in the foreground. outstanding!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
both Portman and Fisher seem like thoughtless party zombies
i havent heard an original or substantive thought from either of them.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I read this as panty zombies
and my interest increased
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i did the same thing
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
don't vote
It only encourages them.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
REALLY close in KY - 06
111,651 to 110, 974
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
icky, icky, icky.
I’m worried.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know what the recount procedures in ky are like?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
hope it doesnt go higher than 10?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
18
fingers AND toes, after the accident.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's 18, teeth are obviously included.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
insert racist and or stereotypical redneck joke here
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone already did, man.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
by andromache on Nov 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the funny part is that you could change KY with states such as...
WV, TN, AL, MS, SC, NC, GA, TX, AR, OK, VA and most of those same jokes still apply!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Also applies the the upper peninsula of Michigan, and the alumni of your alma mater's rival schools.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
I'm not aware of Central Connecticut State's rivals
Quinnipiac? Fairfield? other lame schools in the NEC conference?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly true.
Jokes about: Canadians, Italians, French, Irish, Scots, and Jewish people are all more or less acceptable (and Asians, when I’m not around). See Acceptable Targets : also including blondes, Christians, fat people, gingers, little people, lawyers, etc.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
That was meant as a joke
but it is interesting that we tolerate racism as long as it’s not aimed towards a group we care about.
If I ever run into a fat midget Asian Christian lawyer with strawberry blonde hair, IT IS ON.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
What about a chubby, short, Asian, Catholic law student who frequently dyes her hair yellow/orange/pink?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
rawr
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
and had a jewish grandmother.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I try not to support racism in any form (Note that I'm not the one who made the joke), but I think that's an oversimplification.
I do think that racial prejudice hurts the white majority less (because they control the institutions and the power) than it hurts minority groups, so my panties get less bunched in response.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Yeah man, that's totally what I said.
It’s less damaging, so I don’t write long useless blog posts about it. I love how I’m the problem here, and not the people actually making the racist, redneck jokes.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
"In support of"? How? By pointing out that society considers it acceptable?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
isn't there a difference between a joke and prejudice?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
if we cannot laugh at each other, then what the Hell are we doin' here?
seriously, I want to make jokes about anyone, and I want anyone to throw jokes my way
desensitize that shit, and no one should get their panties in a bunch
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ban this Man
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
I think it's more
that we tolerate ethnic jokes when everyone knows it’s a joke – that is, the target group is not really oppressed.
In Hawaii, the only state in the union where there is no majority race, ethnic humor is an art form, and generally not considered in poor taste. The exceptions are jokes that pick on blacks or gays…because there are still too many people who are actually prejudiced against those groups.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
the group that is referred to as "rednecks" is an oppressed group
they often have no education, no money, terrible living conditions, maybe no running water & no way to improve their situations, but hey, i guess that’s funny
A friend of mine is a newspaper columnist
in Charleston, W.Va. He claims that Appalachians are the only group of people society makes fun of without feeling guilty or being chastised by others.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 3, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I reckon you city boys is spot on
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Yet, here we are, chastising each other for making fun of rednecks.
I’m not saying that it’s not mostly true. Rural americans, and especially Appalachian americans are probably at the top of the “acceptable” targets spectrum, but clearly some people have a problem with making fun of that group.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Well, actually tHan is chastising me and BF for not being enough against anti-redneck jokes,
while not chastising the people who are making the jokes.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
no, i'm upset because you are always the first person to cry racism
yet you seem like this is a more ok form of it.
by 'tHan on Nov 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We all have our racism enforcement niches
I’m pretty quick to raise the Asian stuff. If you want to take the mantle for poor white discrimination, nobody’s stopping you.
by ken on Nov 3, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to take the mantle for upper middle class, yuppie, WASPy discrimination
anyone claimed that one yet?
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
crolfer is not a fan of WASPy discrimination
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I wrote in Crolfer for Governor on Tuesday.
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
If elected, I would have rallied for equal rights for all wasps.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
You'd better stop the Space program while you're at it
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
they are perhaps the ones with the worst living conditions
yet they are the ones it’s most ok to make fun of.
it makes no sense.
This.
I still make fun of them — but that’s because I make fun of everyone due to not having a soul and being of loose moral character.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We should get married and have a baby, its chest would have a gravitational pull
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Is this child a girl? ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
so I hear
from Jeff Foxworthy.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
no way to improve their situations?
seriously?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, right?
why dont they just get a job?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone has the ability to improve their situation
it just takes creativity
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever been to Appalachia?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I know I was called haole a LOT when I was there
I usually replied by asking them to say the word “three” or something similar then laughing when they did. :)
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I won't lie, being 1/2 Polish and being married to someone 100% Polish, I just cannot make enough Polish jokes
they are probably my favorite jokes around
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi everyone!
The Republican governor candidate in New York is so strange that a taiwanese news organization made a cartoon about him: http://gothamist.com/2010/10/15/video_paladino_gets_taiwanese_cgi_t.php
I think the guy running as the “Rent is 2 Damn High” candidate is actually less loony than he is!
I was thiiiiiiiis close to voting for him, just for fun.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
Which one? Paladino or the Rent Is 2 Damn High guy?
I, too, was thiiiiis close to voting for Paladino. Then I realized the state would be in better hands with the 2 Damn High guy than Him. That kind of short circuted my brain, and I voted for Governor Cuomo.
….wait, he’s not governor yet?
McMillan (I think that's the 2 damn high party guy)
I just found him really endearing during the debate and figure Cuomo has it in the bag anyway.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
not only does cuomo have it in the bag
He made the bag, then made it against the law for anyone else to touch the bag.
That site is a blast. I love Jimmy McMillan, who, BTW ...
is leaving TRI2DH to form his own fucking party. Shit. And. Yes.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus
He’s pretty much a less obnoxious version of Palin
Let’s see:
1) catch lightning in a bottle
2)…
3) profit!!!
He’s also going to make music from TRISTDH
Of course if there is one failed politician who comes out of this midterm, I’m glad it’s him and not some crazy lady in DE
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
I love Jimmy. Because, after all, THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still trying to figure out
how the Democratic governor of NY didn’t get impeached for taking free Yankees WS tickets. The rank and file employees are repeatedly told they can’t accept gifts worth more than a pen or a calendar, but he gets free WS tickets?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Hey
Seeing the Yankees win the World Series was a once in a decade experience. It’s not like they’re some successful team like the Red Sox.
then maybe he should have bought them
with his 6-figure, taxpayer funded salary.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
/schoolteacher'd
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
shhhhhhhhh
Rand Paul victory speech on cnn!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
what bothers me is that he's not from KY
and has virtually no ties there. Party politics aside.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
It probably feels about the same when I realized that Peyton Manning, my least favorite athlete, has the same name as me.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see Peyton monday night?
maybe the most impressive performance by a football player I have ever seen.
I did not
I’m also not saying he’s a bad athlete. Just my least favorite.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
This just in from West Virginia:
Robert C. Byrd re-elected despite being dead.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 2, 2010 9:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
rec'd
I can’t believe I’m the first one to get that
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
you weren't
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
My faith is restored!
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
/StromThurmond'd
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
now here comes the O'Donnell witch concession speech
she was victorious in defeat!
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I'm not a witch, I'm not a witch
They dressed me up as one!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
At the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear,
there was a guy dressed up as a Monty Python knight holding a sign that said “Christine O’Donnell turned me into a newt. (I got better.)”
by the finest muffins on Nov 3, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sarah Palin is having an 8 week reality show on TLC
Sarah Palin’s Alaska
outstanding.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Right where she belongs.
Closer to Russia than the continental US.
"Superman plays first base for the Reds." - tHom Brennaman
by Ash on Nov 2, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mark it down
i’d vote for anybody over her.
she’s not qualified to be a RR mod, for Pete’s sake. she’s horrrrrrrrrrrrible.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
Does she have a negative xFLIP?
Red Reporter or follow on Twitter: @redreporter. Buy The Wire-to-Wire Reds today!
she does indeed
she is world class anti-fun.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
she might be world class fun in the sack, though
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What does any of this have to do with my fertility?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
I don't know, but you shouldn't pass it up ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
remember when everyone here loved her?
Because she was young and hot (for a politician).
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
There's a huge difference between "I'd fuck the stupid out of her" and "I'd vote for her"
Wait, did I just do this all wrong?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Fuck the stupid out of her"
/Trig Palin’d
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Even I'm not touching this one dude
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
she's no christine o'donnell, that's for sure
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Although, she did have a WAR of -3.2.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The referendum banning sharia law in oklahoma has passed.
Phew, I know I’ll sleep easy now.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
i miss daedalus...
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Staying the hell out of this thread, that's for sure.
Why, miss me?
by the finest muffins on Nov 3, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I did, actually
I like hearing all kind of opinions, especially those that are usually 180 degrees from mine
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
she's actually the same person as Verka Serduchka
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Nov 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WWE bodyslammed in CT.
Shucks…would’ve made for an interesting Senate floor.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Blumenthal is pure fucking evil
congrats CT, you deserve that piece of shit
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear that he'll basically become Super Attorney General, and continue to fuck over utility companies and make my wife's life complete Hell
Not that I wanted Linda at all, but I really have issues with a guy that goes after regulated utilities. They’re regulated Dick, they have a capped profit they can make.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks... we'll take him
Nothing could be worse than being the nation’s laughing stock if we had elected the Wrestling queen.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
If it's any consolation, I would have voted for Dan Malloy instead of Tom Foley
had Bristol not F’d up my Voter Registration
Pretty sure Minnesota wrapped up being the laughing stock when they elected Jessie The Mind….
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Bristol?
Isn’t she busy with “Dancing With the Stars”?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bristol F'd up a lot this go-'round
That’s why we still don’t know who the next governor is yet.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
So in '08 I voted in Farmington (I lived there at the time)
We bought our house in ’09 and I filled out a Voter Registration Change Form to change my registration to Bristol
I show up at Bristol on Tuesday, they have no record of me, but they’re able to look up that I was previously registered in Farmington and tell me to head over to Farmington and vote. Bristol tells me I’m not registered in Bristol.
I go over to Farmington, and I show up on their inactive/transfered registration list, and then have me listed as transferred to Bristol.
This is getting too close to 8, so I don’t go back over to Bristol to plead my case.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 4, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The worldwide leader
in voter registration mayhem.
by ken on Nov 5, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Republican lead in the VT governor's race dropping (and almost nothing in from Burlington, still.)
Not relevant to most, but the democratic candidate openly supports establishing single-payer healthcare in VT – which, you’ve got to admit, will be…interesting to watch.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
indeed.
Local media here in LEX still can’t call the Chandler/Barr race. Close. You still KY registered?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I don't like to vote in more than one place :P.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
Polls closed anyway, unfortunately.
The healthcare issue is certainly forefront in KY, with Humana, Kindred, and Norton all local. Interested to see how it plays out in other states, but it could be an economic/job boom in the state for the next few years.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching CNN makes me proud to be a full-fledged, blue/red-blooded Inde-fucking-pendent.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
MSNBC is the worst
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
or the best ...
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
Andy Barr is pretty excited for someone who has no idea if he won or not
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Triple H at Linda McMahons concession speech
that just happened.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
by obc2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He should have gotten the lead in the new Thor movie
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He was rumored to get it for a long time
also rumored to play the lead in the conan movie.
neither happened.
But neither of them are eligible for presidential elec...
Oh, you mean like baseball!
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
But lets just say they are eligible for presidency
who would YOU vote for?
What Would Joey Votto Do?
Not Chapman
He killed John Lennon, fer crissakes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
none of the above
I’d rather they play baseball.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Should have gotten the key to NYC for that
and a date from Jodie Foster
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
If that would have motivated Hinckley to do a more thorough job on Reagan, I guess I’d be in favor.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember a Newsweek cover of him and H. Dub
I thought that Bush looked like Frankenstein and he frightened me, so I liked Dukakis for the reason that he wasn’t Scary Bush. I was 7.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the problem with assassinated Presidents is that people only remember that
I’m glad he didn’t kill Reagan, b/c then everyone would have forgotten exactly how awful a President he was.
And I couldn’t remember Jodie Foster’s exact relationship to assassins
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
mental illness...
kinda like son of sam talking about the dog
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I guess I'm still waiting for a lot of people to realize that he was awful in the first place
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, i feel like a lot of people still think he was great.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
great is debatable
but awful isnt. i know this is a liberal slanted site…but name 2 better presidents in the past 40 years.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
In the past 40 years, there've been 7 presidents that weren't Reagan
Nixon (who resigned), Ford (who was never elected as either pres or VP), Carter, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush (my personal pick for worst president of all time), and Obama. Even if you put Reagan at the very top of that list, it’s hardly a murderer’s row, and definitely is no grounds for greatness.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to rank them....
HW
Bush
Carter
Nixon
Clinton
Obama
Reagan
There, I said it
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 3, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that best to worst
or worst to best?
by the finest muffins on Nov 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
knowing him
im certain it is t’other way ’round.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Never met anyone with such differing views on Reagan and HW
A gap between HW and W I could understand.
Highlifeman21, pledge Chairman
Damn glad to meet ya
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 5, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Best to Worst
with Clinton’s stellar foreign policy, there’s no way I’d ever have him anywhere remotely near a Best of anything
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 4, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Count me among them.
Thirty years ago today, Reagan was elected President.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Nov 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like
it’s gonna be gridlock. GOP House, Democratic Senate.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
So not really Beltway insiders or outsiders
Just sitting in unmoving traffic on the Beltway.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 2, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
gonna be a fun two years
at least the GOP is on call to DO SOMETHING now.
i am not proud the gang tried to gridlock the Obama administration the past two years.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
I have a feeling
People are going to be even more pissed off in two years.
Nothing to do with either party, really. Just the hangover from the 20-year party that resulted when Greenspan failed to take the punch bowl away. The longer the party, the worse the hangover.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
wasn't Greenspan's fault
lotta moving parts amongst the Fed, the Treasury, the SEC and other regulatory commissions…
i blame him least of those involved.
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
yeah, there was
and both parties were complicit.
I still blame Greenspan a lot. To his credit, he’s admitted he was wrong, unlike most of the others involved.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
hindsight is 20/20
grab a copy of this for insight
senseless panic
"Yahan Sentona's strikeouts are way down this year" Jake Liscow
hindsight
is why they should have seen it coming.
In fact, many people did.
I’d have liked to see Obama make Brooksley Born Treasury Secretary. Instead he picked Geithner – one of the guys who made the mess.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Budget ain't going to be balanced unless we cut defense spending, privatize SS, and raise taxes (in addition to social cuts across the board)
Since there’s no way in hell that will happen the Tea Party will be pissed. Progressives will be pissed because Obama will continue to defer to Congressional Republican leadership in hopes that “bipartisanship” can be achieved. Everyone will be pissed because unemployment is going to be just as high or even higher given that the stimulus jobs will be drying up and there’s just not enough money floating around otherwise to provide incentives for hiring.. Since banks are reluctant to re-adjust mortgages foreclosures will be just as big an issue…
Yeah, things are going to be pretty bad in 2 years.
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.
by chesirecat on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
I don’t blame either party (or I blame both equally). This mess was 20 years in the making (at least – some say it goes all the way back to Nixon). It may well take 20 years to clean it up. Japan is an example of what happens when a bubble bursts. Twenty years later, and they still haven’t recovered. The bursting of an asset bubble produces a different kind of recession than the usual, and the usual remedies don’t work.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
some even trace it back to LBJ
trying to finance Vietnam and his Great Society programs was a bad combination of spending.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
back to the future
Jerry Brown is governor of California again. And Cuomo gov. of NY.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
California Über Alles
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey! A RR election thread!
Anyone say anything insensitive yet? Any creative namecalling? Any good sturdy strawmen being constructed?
by Brian B on Nov 3, 2010 12:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Shut up, you black honky on welfare.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
by jch24 on Nov 3, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i burned through this thread, as a part of my morning internet before breakfast
governing is a bitch these days.
My favorite part of the election is Chabot. Thrown out 2 years ago because people were mad as hell and weren’t going to take it anymore, and now he is back because people are still mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore.
Well I’m going to have breakfast by the pool.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
odds on
his being thrown out again in two years?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
hmm
he barely lost in 2008, and it was the combination of Obama’s coattails and the general anti-Republican mood.
It is hard to tell. The soon to be former Governor Strickland lost his comfortable Congressional seat in the 1994 Republican revolution and took it back in 1996.
I am kind of wondering if these sweeping severely anti-Presidential midterms are going to become the norm.
I know that it is normal to lose seats in the mid-term, but not to the extent of 1994 and 2010. We can’t really judge 2002 because of 9/11.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
it does seem
Like the electorate is rather schizo these days, swinging wildly from one extreme to another.
2012 might turn out to be a referendum on Obama, in which case the Dems could take a pounding. If so, though, I expect the pendulum will swing the other way when it’s President Palin (or whoever) in the White House.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
although, again looking at history
the Republicans will have to look mature and ready to govern. Clinton won in 1996 (although one could argue Dole was a weak candidate), and some of that had to do with the government shut down, and Clinton came out of that looking good while the Republicans looked bad.
I really have no idea what is going to happen in 2012.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Clinton
was in office in a time where there weren’t any big problems. The economy was doing relatively well by the time he ran for his second term, and peace seemed to be breaking out all over. It was “The End of History.”
I think it’s likely the economy will still be bad in 2012. It’s the nature of a bubble bursting. And even if you discount that…there are fundamental problems that aren’t easily fixed. Hard to get elected if the economy’s bad, even if it’s not your fault.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
apparently, for better or worse, the days of FDR are over
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Someone on NPR this morning
I forget his name…but he was making the argument that the recent ‘swings’ of elections – the past three election cycles – will start to be the norm going forward
Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."
Worked out well for the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pioneer and the tacoma narrows bridge = best commercial ever
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
so we will never have a government that is able to govern
and we will have bi-polar policy that swings with these elections?
that seems bad.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Until a party promises not to take outside cash and sticks to it
very little will be done. 3 BILLION on a midterm is absolutely absurd.
And since that will never happen, I guess I’m gonna just try to be a decent person and do something positive.
We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come.
by chesirecat on Nov 3, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
seriously though
i want a constitutional amendment the limits campaign financing, and creates harsh punishments, including being thrown out of office.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
and one more thing
if i here one more politician say something along the lines of “tonight America has won” in their victory speech…
Or even worse, “this isn’t my victory, this is your victory”. Like i know, in order to be a politician, one needs to constantly feed his ego, but goddammit, you are probably just a worthless party hack.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Semi-relevant election news
Referendum 420 (dude!) passed in Arizona, earmarking about ~$100M for the Cubs’ new ST facility in Mesa. Their money, I guess.
Their may be some ancillary benefits to the Reds in ST ticket sales, given the massive number of Cub fans that visit the area.
by ken on Nov 3, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
every candidate i voted for yesterday lost ...
… every single one …
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
I should hire you to vote for candidates I don't like.
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
by andromache on Nov 3, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my mom never voted for a winning President until Obama
fun fact.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
I haven't voted for a losing president since Dole!
by Brian B on Nov 3, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
she voted third party alot
but when she voted democrat, they lost.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
My state senator got re-elected.
Otherwise, I’m with you.
by the finest muffins on Nov 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well i voted mostly third party
so the same happened to me.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
i live in rural southern indiana, so the democrats are a third party
our county doesn’t even have a democratic headquarters …
"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"
I've lived in places like that ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This election cycle killed it for me. I'm fucking done.
As I’ve posted here before — it doesn’t matter who you voted for they’re all this person. I’m tired and done. This country needs to abandon this awful, dog-shit, two-party system. It never will.
Until then, I’m hanging out with George. Fuck it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i completely agree wtih that.
i mean i will probably still vote, maybe, but with the exception of the governor, attorney general (DeWine taught a class at Ohio Northern, and is intellectual dead, and pretty much a fuckin moron, and the epitome of a worthless professional political hack, so I had to vote for Cordry), and Congressman, i voted for the third party candidate, which were all libertarians, except, I voted for a socialist for Senate.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
Yikes
It’s a wonder to me why there isn’t a state where all the dissidents go to form themselves a majority so they can elect their own whacko who represents their ideologies. You know, like Alaska.
by Brian B on Nov 3, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey man, don't go lumping me in with those shitheads.
I would just like to see a republican that doesn’t give a fuck for moral codes or a democrat that isn’t trying to tell me wheren and when and if I can smoke.
While I may not seem like it I’m about as centrist as they come. There’s no place for people like me in the modern American political arena. So I’m done with it. Until there’s a reasonable middle I’m out of here.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting point made on NPR this morning about the typical "bi-partisan" talk going on right now
and how that’s highly unlikely, since most moderate Democrats were wiped out in this election, moving the party further left, and the Tea Party moving the Republicans further right, the odds of any kind of compromise or consensus are even lower than before.
see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka
A lot depends on Obama
After ‘94, Clinton had to deal with Gingrich, who was arguably more difficult than the current Republican leadership. As a result of the mid-terms Clinton become more centrist and conciliatory. With health care out of the way, I’ll bet Obama takes a similar course.
"more" conciliatory?
jfc, they turned the healthcare bill into a squatload just to try to appease the Republicans and still got zero votes.
If he gives handjobs to Boehner during the SOTU, that might be more conciliatory.
Peas porridge hot.
Peas porridge cold.
Peas porridge in a pot, nine days old.
by supergrover on Nov 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"handjobs to Boehner"
excellent choice of words
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
seriouly?
because both parties are so damn middle that there’s not much difference between ’em anyways.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
they are in the middle
but they love pissing matches over a few centimeters.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
-President Andrew Jackson
by justin007000 on Nov 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They claim to be middle but their not. There bases are swaying more and more
to the extremes. This election just showed that. Look at all the tea party candidates that won republican noms. Look at how stoked/pissed people got whne Pelosi lost.
These parties aren’t in the middle. They play to it but let their extremes lead the way.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 5, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a group
who is trying to get conservative Christian evangelist types to move to South Carolina so they can set up a government along their ideological lines. The theory being that South Carolina is already socially and politically conservative, and being a small state, will be easier to take over.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If we're gonna let them have a state, let it be North Dakota or something
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
damn you
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
But...
Bryce Canyon is there! I like Utah!
by the finest muffins on Nov 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Montana?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
We need North Dakota because it's one of the few states producing
NHL-caliber hockey players and I want to beat Canada so damn bad in 2014! (This is not a joke. Fuck Canada.)
They can have South Dakota, Montana or Idaho. Fuck those places. We need to keep Utah for its sweet, sweet skiing.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'm gonna ban you, just to keep Joey Votto happy.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love Joey. I just hate that hockey team. Like a lot.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 4, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Government funded elections
cures a lot of ills.
no fucking PAC advertisement bullshit either. This Citizens United stuff turned exactly into what the proponent viewpoint said could never happen.
I VOTED TODAY!
Did you?
[please ignore if this is left after Tuesday November 2nd, 2010]
the worst part about all this?
i was proven tremendously, embarrassingly wrong. i can remember a conversation i had on here 2 years ago (i think it was with Red Menace) about how libertarianism was dead. the financial mess was going to teach us all, once and for all, that lax regulation and small government fiscal BS was dead. it was the direct and so obvious cause of such a terrible, terrible thing, and we were all going to be the wiser for it.
but by the very next election, we have forgotten all of that. i am completely flabbergasted.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not. Fuck it, man. Come to the I-don't-give-a-shit-side with me and George.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That's where I am
I think both socialism and capitalism will fail in the long run. They are both Ponzi schemes, reliant on constant growth. Like Kenneth Boulding said, “Anyone who thinks infinite growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist.” In the end, the economy is based on natural resources; we aren’t going to support ourselves in the style to which we’ve become accustomed by doing each other’s laundry.
Sure, it’s great right now (comparatively speaking, anyway). But it’s always great for those who get in early on a pyramid scheme.
As for the two parties…a plague on both their houses. Our whole political system is set up for stability, which means two parties, with little difference between them.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
like Mencken said
“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Correct me if I'm wrong...
Tea partiers can’t be re-elected, correct? Since, you know… they’re Washington insiders now…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
hah
The last time this happened, the freshman politicians who swore they would quit after one or two terms mostly ended up staying and becoming the Washington insiders they said they hated.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Nov 4, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I personally hate politicians.
But I understand its the fastest way (other than selling crack) to get filthy rich in America.
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
Mads two words: Midget porn.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 4, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Genuis
Pure Romance Genuis
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
Just wanted to say hi to all the people who have to check every thread when there's a new comment :)
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Hi.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't daedalus bitch at me a lot last year b/c I would comment in threads a couple days old?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 5, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck that shit too HLM2
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
yes
"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24
by BK on Nov 7, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
She'll be back..
You know that she is an international espionage agent for the CIA and this whole baseball blog is just a front……right?
Religion is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Richard Dawkins
I'd like to end on the positive note that almost every politicain worth his/her salt ends up filthy rich.
Here a picture of the average elected official’s constituency:
If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir
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