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Scott Rolen, Brandon Phillips, and Bronson Arroyo all won Gold Gloves. It was the eighth for Rolen (and the third team for which he's won one), second for Phillips, and first ever for Arroyo. The ladies can attest that he's just as good without a glove, too. Joey Votto and Jay Bruce got the ol' Montreal Screw Job, as Albert Pujols, Yadier Molina, Troy Tulowitzki, Michael Bourn, Carlos Gonzalez, and Shane Victorino rounded out the NL winners.

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Just for a good portion of the 70s

1977 Bench, Morgan, Concepcion, Geronimo (CF)
1976 Bench, Morgan, Concepcion, Geronimo (CF)
1975 Bench, Morgan, Concepcion, Geronimo (CF)
1974 Bench, Morgan, Concepcion, Geronimo (CF)
1970 Bench, Helms, Rose (RF)

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by Slyde on Nov 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Concepcion - he had such a quick vertical leap

So underrated – so under appreciated..

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by Madville on Nov 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Right you are, Maddy.

Davey was a joy to watch. A huge and underrated part of the Big Red Machine.

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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This year should be his best shot at making the HOF

Teammates Johnny Bench and Tony Perez and longtime admirer Ozzie Smith are all on the veteran’s committee to decide this years winner. He’ll at least get a higher percentage of votes, unless the stories I’ve heard about Bench being a dick are true.

by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Nov 11, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Ozzie's stance will be the key

Everyone’s going to expect Bench and Perez to back a former teammate. If the ultimate glove-first inductee backs Concepcion, maybe others follow.

The voting breakdown would be interesting to see. The players are evenly split by AL/NL, but 3 of the 4 executives are AL guys. The NL guy is Bill Giles, who may be favorably inclined towards the Reds because of his dad. But the AL execs (Reinsdorf, Andy MacPhail, and David Glass) could be hard to win.

by ken on Nov 11, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

"ultimate glove-first inductee"

Mazeroski maybe? Not arguing, just the first person I thought of when it came to glove first HOFers.

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Nov 11, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking inductee as BBWAA-elected

Which isn’t clear at all from what I said. Maz is definitely a glove-first guy. Not that I’ve studied it or anything but I doubt he’s elected if not for that HR.

by ken on Nov 11, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I had no idea he won an MVP until I looked him up to justify my claim.

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Nov 11, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right, I can't read

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Nov 11, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That Rose GG in '70

looks on par with Jeter this year. Yeeesh.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno about Rose not earning that award...

318 chances, 1 error, 8 assists with an above-average range factor and .997 FP. And that was in a stretch of 5 years in which he made only 9 errors combined.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Nov 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That may be true.

I am only basing my opinion on film I’ve seen of him….rough.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My second-hand impression was good range but a popgun arm

Which makes winning 2 GG’s as a RF impressive.

As for the Jeter comparison, at least Rose was in his 20s when he won his.

by ken on Nov 11, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

talk about a solid defense up the middle

can’t get much better defensively than that group that won it 4 years in a row

by vottomatic on Nov 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats pretty good.

And our defense is only getting better with Janish, Heisey, Leake, and END.

Ok, Maybe not END

WYSIWIG

by Excalib8 on Nov 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Carols Gonzalez

Either a cocktail involving Tequila and cloves, singing Christmas tunes in Cancun, or a really dirty sex move.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 10, 2010 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

aaaaaaand you fixed it

Butthead

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by nycredsfan on Nov 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I had a black pepper-infused tequila and pomegranat juice cocktail once

it sucked

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by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem there Cy was that you only had one.

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by Madville on Nov 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Leaving my irrational dislike aside,

does anyone really think of Arroyo as a good defender? Legitimate question. I just can’t recall noticing his defense one way or the other. Leake and Wood, yes, obviously not really considered for this type of thing yet, but Bronson?

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Bronson is always steady. I think you just don't like him because he is a low class scumball

Of course that’s as good of a reason as any not to give a pitcher a GG.

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by Madville on Nov 10, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If subjective is as subjective does,

then I guess being a douche is as good a reason as any to give a pitcher a GG.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW Mads,

Love the sig. Seems like my atheist compatriots have picked up the pace lately.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm working on you guys, Pops.

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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Religion almost always (with the exception a few sincere and working believers) nothing to do with God.

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by Madville on Nov 10, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, make no mistake,

my disbelief should never impinge upon anyone. I only react, now, when someone gets aggressive with me.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Richard Dawkins is pretty interesting for a Dickhead

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by Madville on Nov 10, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and congrats BP and Rolen. Love you guys....

In a totally aggressively gay, grab you by the back of the neck and kiss you hard kind of way.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Great news!

We’re one-third of that team. And probably our best defensive player (Bruce) wasn’t included. I like this team. We’re not far off if Walt can just find one or two pieces (and I think one of those pieces is a true staff ace).

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by TheC on Nov 10, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

actually

the ladies said Arroyo was turrible, didn’t they?

Oh, and Jay Bruce wuz robbed!

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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

But Cueto won the Titanium Cleat, so it's all good.

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by nycredsfan on Nov 10, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also up for the Heisman

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by Madville on Nov 11, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say I can't believe I'm the first to rec this, but I totally can believe it

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by BK on Nov 10, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If you tell us this morning there will be 3 Reds GGs today ...

How many guesses would it have taken us to come up with Bronson as one of the three?

I think you guess Rolen, Phillips, Bruce, Votto, Stubbs, Janish, Hernandez, Hanigan, Cabrera, and Leake first. Hell, with some of the bizarre GG awards of the past, I might have even guessed Gomes before Arroyo. As bad as he is, is he any worse in LF than Jeter is at SS?

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by JasperRed on Nov 10, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not shocked Arroyo won

Pleasantly surprised, maybe, but it’s not THAT surprising. He’s always been good fielding his position, but he definitely seemed to step up his game this year, and was consistent throughout the year.

by thevole on Nov 10, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

We're still in the post-Maddux wilderness

Nobody knows who to vote for. May as well be a guy who looks like a good fielder (and mostly is).

by ken on Nov 10, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Leake will get it if he eclipses 170 innings.

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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Leake?


What about this cat?

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by supergrover on Nov 11, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor Bruce!

Votto’s gonna get the MVP, so whatevs.

by jsl413 on Nov 10, 2010 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

Bruce wasn't jobbed

Even though they voted that way in the AL this year, the award doesn’t go to the best LF, CF, and RF. He’s a great RF, but he isn’t one of the 3 best OFs in the NL.

Stubbs, on the other hand, should win his share as long as he’s the full-time CF.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Nov 11, 2010 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

What's amazing to me is

I’ve heard several lay people refer to Stubb’s defense as being less than stellar. It leaves me befuddled every time I hear it. I guess you have to give ’em some timed dives like Edmonds used to.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's 2 things that cause that

1. He had a couple of brain fart flubs early in the season that stuck with people

2. He never dives. Like ever. I can’t think of one instance.

So, he has no memorable plays except for the couple of flubs and the badass home run he took away on clinch day. If you are predisposed to remember the flubs, you will. (cough HLM21 cough)

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by Slyde on Nov 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

And no, I’ve never seen him dive either…. I remember thinking a couple of times that he should’ve, but no big deal.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 11, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he's so damn fast that he doesn't usually need to dive

it’s usually something he can get to or he doesn’t have a chance at getting. not much in-between ground when you’re that fast. of course, i’m just guessing. i’m pretty fat.

by Heeringa on Nov 12, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't get the Stubbs flubs out of my head

However, he does glide like a gazelle. I’d love to see how many SBs he could rack up if he could get on base more.

by Highlifeman21 on Nov 13, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I think he is good

maybe very good, but not great. Top 5 current CF is pushing it for me.

by kcgard2 on Nov 11, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

Bronson’s will be a boat. der.

"Bronson Arroyo texted me from the high seas"

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 12, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Bronson doesnt strike me as a speed boat kinda guy

i figure his will be a grandpa pontoon boat with the GG logo set in the middle of one of those novelty wooden pirate ship steering wheels.

"Bronson Arroyo texted me from the high seas"

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there's no novelty about arroyo's wood

you better believe it’s fully functional

by Heeringa on Nov 12, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How would you know?

He never lets anyone see his Tiger’s eye…

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by crolfer on Nov 13, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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