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The echo chamber is chock-full of Precious Roy today. Rightly so. Chad over at Redleg Nation went the path of escapism, I'm inclined to follow him down.  From the Reds camp, the best take I've seen was from the MVP-deserving lips of Joey Votto:

"He just pitched so well. When you're trying to thread a needle up at the plate, it's just miserable. It's not fun being up there trying to hit nothing. Tonight was a nothing night. Sometimes you just don't get pitches to hit. I took the one pitch I saw all night to hit because I wanted to see a strike. He just acted like Roy for the rest of the bat. I hate to use hyperbole, he's an ace among aces." (Mark My Word)

Watching the game last night, I felt a slow, steadily mounting sense of inevitability. It was a Twilight Zone in which every time I looked at the count, it was 0-2. The game was an undeniably historic one - which if baseball still exists in the post-apocalypse, I'll bitterly recount to my grandchildren while clinging to my shopping cart.

For Reds fans, this game didn't yield a single happy headline, only questions. Questions like, "are you going to drink the rest of that?"and "Why are you telling me I can't sleep in this drainage ditch?" So I'll put just a few more to you:

What adjustments should be made for Game 2?
Dusty just announced that Laynce Nix will start Game 2 (Nix is 9-for-17 in his career against Oswalt). Titanic deck chair arrangers have debated last night's defensive performances by Gomes and Cabrera. But should any horses by changed (or beaten) in mid-stream? I'm not convinced there would be much difference offensively between Cabrera and Janish in a short playoff series against this slate of pitchers. But Janish, as he's always been, is the better glove. There's very little justification for guaranteeing Cabrera a starting spot, #2 in the order and all nine innings the whole series.

Looking past the small sample vs. Oswalt, Laynce Nix and Chris Heisey are both better fielders and better against righties this year than Gomes. Gomes put up .257/.301/.408 splits this season and .233/.309/.438 over his career. Chris Heisey has posted a .321/.389/.536 line in 126 major league PAs against righties (though his minor league splits run the other way), while Laynce Nix did .289/.346/.450 in 163 PAs this season. All of this to say, neither Nix nor Heisey can be expected to master the Phillies. But, at worst, you're getting similar offensive output and improved LF defense.

While it's always tempting to embrace the cold comfort of numbers, there's always room for the qualities of leadership and composure Gomes and Cabrera may bring to the field. Still, it's hard to believe that would make up the performance gap, especially on defense. The larger point would be that the Reds will probably not win on the margin between Cabrera and Janish or Gomes and Nix.

Star-divide

What to do with Volquez and Wood?
Edinson Volquez tossed 56 pitches Wednesday night. Travis wood 47.  Volquez has shown flashes of brilliance throughout his comeback from Tommy John surgery, while Wood at his best (a near perfect game against the Phillies) and on the whole, has performed better than the Wagon. Either could be available Sunday on short rest, so how do you use over the remainder of the series, especially if the Reds have their backs up against it 2-0 in Game 3?

How short will Arroyo's (nasty) hook be?

Would you let Chapman pitch two innings?

The man who invented it doesn't want it. The man who bought it doesn't need it. The man who needs it doesn't know it. What is it?

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Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 7, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

a grenade.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 7, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Lobodomy

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for game 4...

I let Volquez pitch game 4 in front of the home crowd.

Wood can go game 5 with Arroyo at the ready.

by riverfront76 on Oct 7, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

gotta be Wood in game 4

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 7, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm stumped.

I think we’re gonna have to trust the coaching staff on this one. (As if we have a choice.)

I stated this in the other thread- Volquez was off last night but he didn’t get hit hard. If he get his ‘off’ turned back ‘on’ with some video analysis and adjustments this week then I think you have to trust him to take the mound at home. Otherwise, you go with Wood.

But Wood was giving up looong fly balls last night and based on that I don’t get the feeling that we might expect a five or six inning of one or two-run outing on Monday.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think both were actually done a disservice by the long off time

i was a little surprised that Volquez didn’t get a 1-2 inning tune up on Saturday or Sunday.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 7, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the infinite vastness of the universe

Roy Halladay did not pitch a perfect game last night.

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by Slyde on Oct 7, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Easiest rec ever.

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by BK on Oct 7, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thihnk Jay is the post season MVP for that

I’m not kidding, Jay is my playoff MVP I don’t care if Scott Rolen hits a game winning grand slam on Sunday, it will always be Jay

by Red_Poodle on Oct 7, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now your comment won't make sense

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ocab's post game comments really made me dislike him more

but i know, that walt and dusty will pick up his option, despite the fact we have other cheaper in house options that will provide the same level of production.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I have some faith that they will not pick up the option

though I must admit that I’m worried. I really don’t want to see a 1-year-older version of OCab, especially on defense.

by kcgard2 on Oct 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel pretty ok

that they’ll stick with Janish with Cozart waiting in the wings and Valaika as the super sub.

But dammit, we have playoffs before then.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 7, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year

Phillips traded
Janish to 2b/ss
Cabrera to SS
Valaika to 2b/ss

Mark it down.

by bobestes on Oct 7, 2010 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And we finish????

Phillips was a big part in the first half, so how many wins do we give up?

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

$$$$$$

Votto, Bruce, Cueto, volquez money

by bobestes on Oct 7, 2010 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry bob but it ain't gonna happen.

I’m not sure that Jannish is going to be playing anything but back up again.
Valaika seems to have the inside lane to 2B right now…but its hard to give up a talent like Phillips. He just needs to be lower in the lineup.

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Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 7, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Club option in 2012

for $12M with a $1M buyout. $11M next year.

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, we got one more year of Phillips.

Not sure why everybody’s so down on him. Yeah, he’s a punk, but he’s a kid. Rolen was a worse punk at his age. I just don’t see any baseball-type problems with him.

I would definitely put Janish in the lineup next year instead of Cabrera, assuming we can find a place to use the money.

Next year, we just need a monster LH bat to platoon in LF. After that, though, we’re going to need replacements for Cordero and Rolen.

by MatthewH on Oct 8, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

BP

has been on the block the past 2-3 years. At least that’s what’s been reported. I think that’s a big reason people are expecting him to be traded. (Though given the Reds’ success this year, maybe they won’t want to mess with it.)

I really don’t want to see Cabrera or his ilk back again next year. If not Janish, give Cozart a try, or trade for someone who’s not on the wrong side of 30.

Slo-Cab was a bust even on the one thing he had going for him: durability. Which was good news for Janish and maybe for the team, but still.

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by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm hoping, but not optimistic,

that Cabrera will be the last of the half-measures for a while.

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 8, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think one of Walt's greatest talents ...

is hiding Dusty’s favorite toys. Gonzalez, Patterson, and Taveras all disappeared one way or another when it became obvious that Dusty just couldn’t say “NO.”

Based on that pattern, I have faith that Slo-Cab will not return.

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate

When I first heard about his comments, honestly, my first thought was “he’s saying that to draw attention away from the no-hitter”, presumably so the hoard of media will grill him on his comments, and not the rest of the team on their ineptitude.

I could see a savvy veteran pulling a stunt like that, much in the way that managers get run out of games to fire up their team.

The funny thing is, I’ve never had a problem with OCab and his leadership skills, from everything I hear, he’s been nothing but positive to have on the team. As far as performance, sure, I’d probably like Janish, but I’ve never had a beef with him in terms of saying the wrong things (see Phillips, Brandon).

by bobestes on Oct 7, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're going to get crolfer all excited

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by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

PUPA!

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will crush Roy O. Asshole in Game 2

Raven Riley’d in advance

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

We could also ream, screw, pummel, etc.

Add your verb here.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

bang

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck?

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Oct 7, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ram? DocRam?

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we had Ram'd Doc last night...

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Oct 7, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone asked about TV ratings

Cincy – 18.0, Philly – 21.9

Those were the highest local ratings of yesterday’s games except for Minnesota, which crushed everybody.

by ken on Oct 7, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The locals are pleased dontch'a know.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Oct 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to start Billy Hatcher in LF

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Nix'd

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Rays are fast asleep it seems... so far they have been outscored 11-1 this series.

yikes…

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by GrooveLeg on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

That's nuts

They are a very good team.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They came unglued after Michael Young looked to go around on strike 3

Only to see him hit a three run HR on the next pitch

Bart: "Dad, what's a Muppet?"
Homer: "Well, it's not quite a mop, not quite a puppet, but man... (laughs, then pauses) So, to answer you question, I don't know."

by ChiDa on Oct 7, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Game 2 lineup prediction

Phillips
Cabrera
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Nix
Stubbs
Hanigan
Arroyo

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 7, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

no question in my mind

Nix should bat cleanup, Rolen should be moved to 5 oir 6 and move Jay to 5. 3 lefties in a row could wreak some havoc on Oswalt

by Red_Poodle on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree 100% w/ Nix to clean-up spot tonight

Either way you have back to back lefties (either Votto/Nix or Bruce/Nix). Nix owns Oswalt (and how many guys can say that). He is the best protection for Votto (who also has hit Oswalt well). It is out of the box thinking for Dusty, but it would be refreshing to see him try it…….which is exactly why it won’t happen.

by MoAb on Oct 8, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That makes me feel better Weez.

I honestly think it is the right call here. Would be nice for Votto to get something to hit.

by MoAb on Oct 8, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just checked Oswalt's game log...

Here were the lineups and the results:

Game 1: Phillips, Cabrera, Votto, Nix, Bruce, Stubbs, Hernandez, Janish…..Oswalt line was 5 ip, 9 h, 6 er, 1bb, 3 k’s.
- Note that Rolen didn’t play here…which probably explains the back-to-back-to-back lefties. Can’t see Dusty doing that if Rolen is in lineup.

Game 2: Dickerson, Phillips, Votto, Rolen, Bruce, Cabrera, Nix, Hanigan….Oswalt line was 7 ip, 8 h, 3 er, 4 bb, 7 k’s.
- Hitting Nix 7th here. Don’t understand that. It is this kind of stuff that makes me wonder if there is any plan.

So, good news is that there WAS in fact a game this year where Dusty hit Nix 4th against Oswalt…..and it worked out big time.

by MoAb on Oct 8, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think that Volquez would have been fine

 if OCab didn’t blow that out at second

C I N C I N N A T I R E D S

by I75series on Oct 7, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

good pitchers overcome that

i mean Carpenter was pissed at Ryan for a botched play in Cincinnati, but he overcame it.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 7, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

I would be interested if anyone knows how many pitches he threw after that play

C I N C I N N A T I R E D S

by I75series on Oct 7, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zero good ones.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Oct 7, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Except the last sentence. Don’t hurt yourself, or the wall.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

by Unmitigated Audacity on Oct 7, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Oct 7, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

make sure it's not a plaster wall ....

… i’m toward the end of my six weeks with a cast on my right hand …

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Oct 7, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we win tonight, the series is tied, and we have home field advantage in 2 of the remaining 3 games.

Advantage RedLegs…if they can win tonight.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still depressed

Knowing that Gomes won’t be in the lineup does brighten my mood a bit more…now we just need Slo-Cab to get the flu and we’re all good.

Winning in the playoffs is about run prevention. I want my best run prevention team out there, especially when the effect on the offense is just about nil.

Seriously, are we supposed to believe that Gomes/Cabrera are so much better than Nix/Janish offensively that it overshadows the far superior defense of the latter?

Problems like this are why I hate Dusty as a manager. He seems like a great guy, and very good as a motivator and handler of personalities. Important stuff. But a manager needs to put his team in the best possible position to win, and time and again, Dusty makes decisions which hinder that effort.

"Read a fucking book." - Nucky Thompson

by cesarhernandez on Oct 7, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

buck up

we’re gonna be tied 1-1 headed to Cincinnati, I don’t care what anyone says.

After Larsen’s no-hitter, the Dodgers won the next game.

by bobestes on Oct 7, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering that

we can’t let history down, keep that 100% win percentage in the postseason with teams coming off a no-hitter (or perfect game)

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put it on the line

It’s gonna happen because I said so.

by bobestes on Oct 7, 2010 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

also comforting about last night's no-no

is that Larsen was a guy who ended his career with a losing record and he threw a perfecto against a lineup with Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider, Roy Campanella and Gil Hodges.

I’m personally not that shocked. No hitters happen for middle of the road pitchers against Hall of Fame lineups and a bit more frequently for HoF pitchers against any given team. Just can’t wait til we get to rock Doc in game 4.

by Chance23 on Oct 7, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

to win the series*

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

equal but opposite reaction!

Philadelphia pitchers can’t record an out and we win when they call it

by Red_Poodle on Oct 7, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see how we can't win tomorrow

We need to forget our past at CBP (no hits in the last 11 or so innings, no runs in 30 innings.
Really, in the first half of the season, it was supposed to be Scott Rolens team, and it was. But Votto took over the leadership role in the second half as our Veteran faded away. We don’t have that much playoff experience, we need Rolen to break through and talk to these guys, and O-Cab too.

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

we need to have Arroyo turn around his success (failures) against the Phils, he is 1-5 with a 5+ ERA against them.

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I want some language

like:
Rolen: WAKE THE F*** UP
Cabrera: WAKE THE F*** UP
Votto: “Dusty! Wake up!”
Cabrera and Rolen: We said F*** not F***er
Votto: Sorry RR guys, don’t hate me for this
Rolen: Wth is RR
Votto: Its a fansite for us, that OGC kid on there is hilarious and deserves recs but never gets them
Whole Team: Who the f*** cares!

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

do i rec this?

… nah, he’s not very funny and doesn’t deserve it

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Oct 7, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yea i dont get it

this kid isnt even funny

Ok Im watching you baby, and thinkin bout all the things that I can do baby, on top of the world, when I'm on top of you baby....spend the night with me and get popular baby"- Lil Wayne ft. Lil Twist "Popular

by OGC Reds on Oct 7, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that does deserve a rec ... good job

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Oct 8, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

(Somehow the money line got omitted when I hit 'submit')

Cabrera (looking around the locker room): “Yeah. Fucking Ondrusek. ..Fuck!”

"Fun to play with not to eat!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 7, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

is and your preceding comment deserve a mobile rec

Captures the veteran love-fest perfectly.

by Brian B on Oct 8, 2010 7:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

After the Reds win the World Series I will be reposting some of the excerpts of the baseball baook I was writing earlier this year.

It was inspired by Andromache and BubbaFan…the story features the 2012 Pittsburgh Pirates and their players and coaching staff…guys like Jesus Jones and Julio Julio, Loquacious Johnson and Manager Rusty Potato.
So there will be life after the WS here on your RR network.

"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 7, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Only Game One

Why are we so much down on ourselves? It was only Game one. Yes Halliday was good but don’t forget Phillies scored on two outs and Volquez needed to bear down and get that final out when there were two on. Reds batters need to make Halliday throw more pitches with good protection of strike zones. This is where the older players like Phillips, Rolen, Hernandez, etc. needs to pull up their socks and bring their experiences to the table when the going gets tough. The younger and eager players went up there and got 3 swings.

by Richard L on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I am not down.

We are going to the Series…why be down?

"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

who else is pumped for this series to FINALLY get started tomorrow night?!?!?! i’ve been waiting 15 years for this!!!!
/happythoughts

by Caveman9 on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Opening Game of Playoffs

Hallady was amazing—-a pitching performance for the ages. He totally shut down a good-hiting Reds offense and certainly he deserves all the plauditys he received in this morning’s press. BUT THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, did even a single sportwriter notice the fabulous pitching turned in by the Reds bukllkpen?: a seven inniing one-hit outing that just as effecively as Halladay, completely silenced the Phillies batters from the third through the ninth. They deserve a lot of praise for some spectacular hurling too!

by Seacap on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

timmy lincecum looked pretty bad ass tonight ....

year o’ the pitcher indeed …

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Oct 8, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking

there really is not much difference between what happend to us and what happend to the Braves. The Braves managed two hits, and held the Giants to one run though, and I definitely credit them with that.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 8, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

holding the Giants to one run

is not nearly as impressive as holding the Reds to a run.

They’re my second-favorite team, and I still think they have a lousy offense.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Oct 8, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I nearly added that

they aren’t the Phillies on offense.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 8, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Lincecum's game score was higher than Halladay's

Lincecum’s was 96, Halladay’s was 94, so if you’re going by that metric, then the Braves were arguably MORE shut down than we were. We made some contact, Timmy K’d 14 Braves.

by UncleWeez on Oct 8, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was 31 bad calls, but I thought that was the Yanks-Twins game

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 8, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

sorry. I didn’t click the link, just saw the tweet. I assumed it was the late game since I didn’t see it til this morning. Here’s the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-twinsyankeesumpires100710

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by Slyde on Oct 8, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

And HO-LEE SHIITE!

There’s a ball right down the middle (according to pitch fx) that was called a ball:

I don’t completely buy that all of those strikes outside the zone were off – perhaps the camera wasn’t properly aligned – but those two green “balls” surrounded by red strikes are ridiculously bad calls.

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by Slyde on Oct 8, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are these only ump calls?

In other words, any time the batter swings it’s not included here?

If so, this is shameful umpiring.

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by nycredsfan on Oct 8, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

and how long have we been using these pitch fx systems?

i mean, come on, just because it’s proven to be bad doesn’t mean umpiring hasn’t always been this bad.

/irritated by people blaming umps for losses

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure, it's entirely possible that umpiring has always been this bad

but we havent always had the technology to prove it.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok

so not only do you think we should tolerate umpires making mistakes, you think we should celebrate it is a vital and necessary part of the game?

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, but we shouldn't dwell on it

i really don’t want instant replay, and i do believe that blown calls are a part of the game, but i just find all this talk of “marred playoffs” detracting from how great october baseball is. yeah, blown calls suck. parking tickets suck. having someone’s car horn wake you at 4am sucks, too. c’est la vie. no need to write 5000000 articles on how MLB umpires are getting worse (when it isn’t true) so that 5000000000000000 mouthbreathers can repeat it over and over again until it becomes “common knowledge.” lincecum pitched a heck of a game. he won it. the ump didn’t lose it for the braves.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, i'm having a serious case of sports journo annoyance today

largely because when talking about Game 2 tonight, you can barely find a mention of the Reds.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's like our boy Dusty says:
“There are always two sides of history — the side that people love to see like his no-hitter and the side that we were on.”

Here is a Reds-perspective article. There’s not really any insight in it (unless you consider this insightful: “That’s why it’s called yesterday, not today or tomorrow.”) but it’s written from the Philadelphia writer who (yesterday, presumably?) gathered up a bunch of quotes from the Reds (Baker, Hanigan, Bruce).

"Fun to play with not to eat!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 8, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what does this even mean?
The numbers are stacked so high against the Cincinnati Reds that if they think about them long enough, they may be tempted to retreat to their hotel rooms and pull the blankets over their heads.

What numbers? It was one game. ONE GAME.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh..

The guy kinda had a (yes, cheesy) ‘numbers’ theme going in his article:

The first number that comes to mind…
Another number is…
The other numbers relate to…

If you’re not seeing that (and I’m not attempting to vaildate his use of said numbers) I think you must be too busy looking for an article that just isn’t out there: The Good Guys Are Most Definitely Going to Win This Thing and Everybody Knows It

"Fun to play with not to eat!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 8, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, i read it all

but they were just randomly picked numbers.

this country needs to rethink how it awards journalism degrees. and i need to stop reading these stupid articles.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it fits?

or because yore elitism is self-rightously justified?

5000000000000000 mouthbreathers can repeat it over and over again until it becomes "common knowledge."

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

fits?

Just because a sports journalist writes something doesn’t mean it’s true. The sportswriters have decided to discard good writing for cliches, sensationalism, and “controversy” and everyone repeats it. It’s not elitist to say that is stupid.

People who won’t think for themselves, who just repeat what they hear from someone else, regardless of how legitimate or illegitimate is that source, in a country where they have access to education and knowledge and information but willfully choose to throw it away, well, there’s something wrong with THEM, not the intelligent people. Yet in this country, if you happen to have more skill at something than someone else, you are elitist. If you know more than someone about a subject, you are elitist. If you respect knowledge or have intellectual curiosity, you are elitist. And if you criticize someone for being bad at what they get paid to do, you are an elitist.

You know what? Some people ARE better at things than others. And I’m not an elitist for saying that I could do a far better job at writing about baseball than many people who get paid to do it.

Nice selective quoting, Mr. Beck. I don’t get why you folks are picking a fight with me. It’s like you see that I’ve posted something and you automatically jump all over me because….I haven’t toed the RR line? Sieg heil. Scrabbles put words into my mouth that I didn’t say,

so not only do you think we should tolerate umpires making mistakes, you think we should celebrate it is a vital and necessary part of the game?
totally missing the point of what I wrote, and suddenly I am the bad guy.

I shouldn’t have bothered posting here again. Don’t worry, I won’t make that same mistake.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, D

We’re in the playoffs! And the team that spoke at Mr. Beck’s rally … isn’t!

by ken on Oct 8, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not defending sportswriters, nor refuting your point.

FVA and I agree with you. But while you’re sick of the word elitism, you’re making repeated elitist remarks, and it’s only reasonable for me to point out that irony.:

americans don’t have attention spans long enough to last a whole game as it is. we’ve gotten to a point where our society can do nothing for itself. everything relies on technology. people are getting dumber in the process.
no need to write 5000000 articles on how MLB umpires are getting worse (when it isn’t true) so that 5000000000000000 mouthbreathers can repeat it over and over again until it becomes "common knowledge."
this country needs to rethink how it awards journalism degrees. and i need to stop reading these stupid articles.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't get how people getting dumber is related at all to instant replay

that analogy is a failure, it really is a nice cliche. But technology+stupidity does not equal instant replay. There is no way that that analogy even begins to make sense in this context. Also I don’t really know if you have anything to back that up, it is like saying umpires are getting worse.

And I don’t think technology is making us dumber. It is making us different. I won’t argue that because of computers and calculators my mental math skills probably aren’t as good as my parents or grandparents, but they didn’t need to be.

But at the same time technology provides a lot more information for us. One of the reasons i am a historian, is I got really interested in history when i was 13 or 14. I spent hours on the internet reading about history, granted it wasn’t great historical scholarship, but still the information was there are readily available. My parents took me to the library, but I couldn’t walk there, and Hamilton had no bus service, but I couldn’t have had that access to history without a computer. I don’t know if I would have gotten a love for history if I didn’t have easy access to it in my youth. I’m also pretty sure I’m a smarter person because of it.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

the funny thing

is that i was totally sober when i wrote all of that, and now i’m totally drunk and have come back here. and i’m listening to the zwan album. seriously.

just waiting for a phone call from beirut. starting to be totally cliche. but paul janish got married, so i had to settle for someone from the most f’d up country on the planet.

but seriously, sorry, but criticism of stupidity is not elitism. frankly, there needs to be more of it, because stupidity is glorified in this country, and we are already in decline. i hate to watch it.

my whole point of saying “quite sick of the word” is because BEING CRITICAL OF STUPID PEOPLE IS NOT ELITISM, IT IS INTELLIGENCE. something sorely lacking in this country. and if you feel offended by that remark, pick up a book. i’m surprised by you, petey. you’re better than that.

by Daedalus on Oct 9, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

please make sure no one on this site ever criticizes a journalist, esp for making comments about how they won’t embrace sabermetrics. and don’t ever comment about people who call into the banana phone again. don’t ever criticize another article again, ok, because we wouldn’t want you to be a hypocrite, right? john fay rocks! and paul daugherty is right on!

and you might want to lay off the technology. it’s making you dumber.

by Daedalus on Oct 9, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think im about as annoyed with the "c'est la vie" attitude as you are at the howling journalists

and im really surprised to see that attitude from you, of all people. since when are we supposed to accept inequity and unfairness simply because it has always been that way?

i think the best way to silence the howling journalists is to stop feeding them red meat. do you really expect people to just shrug their shoulders when an umpire negatively effects the course of a game? not only is it an exercise in futility, but it is completely needless. if we had an effective replay apparatus in place we wouldnt be reading about the blown call on the Posey stolen base. we’d be reading about the incredible dominance of Timmy. seems to me the easiest way to get what you particularly want is to get some replay up in this.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

dwelling on it does not change the outcome of the game

and it belittles what lincecum did. also, baseball games are already long enough without having to stop every time there’s a questionable call. baseball is stumbling in this country because americans don’t have attention spans long enough to last a whole game as it is.

we’ve gotten to a point where our society can do nothing for itself. everything relies on technology. people are getting dumber in the process.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

baseball games are too long?

they run about 3 hours as it is, so what is another 5 minutes on top of that? and your argument that challenges will bog down the game isnt a very good one. the NFL seems to make it work just fine. managers get 1 challenge a game, and a second if their first one is correct. seems pretty time-efficient to me.

and i disagree that baseball is stumbling because of our waning collective attention spans. i dont want to veer off course too much here, but suffice to say that the NFL is just a far better-packaged product right now. not to mention all the really cool fun things to do on a Tuesday evening in July. there’s much more competition out there for baseball.

the mass-dumbening of the American people is an argument im not going to touch. i like just dont think its an all good thing to be saying and stuff.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Length of the game is a bad example.

Do we really want to stop every time a call is even close? Is it even arguable that that is what will happen? In every other sport that uses video replay, they use it to confirm everything that’s close. The officials are dependant on it. They make calls bass on the fact that they will have the benefit of looking at the replay.

Why can we just deal with the fact that close calls can go either way? Why, and this is what really pisses me off, are we so infatuated with exactness in sports? We HAVE to know whether the throw beat the runner by a millimeter or not. We HAVE to know whether the ball knicked the corner of the IMAGINARY box that sits above home plate. Technology is different now than it was when the rules of baseball were written and the strike zone was conceived. If we HAVE to use every technological advancement just because it’ available, then the rules at going to have to get more and more precise to keep up.

by Brian B on Oct 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i think most arguments against replay (including yours) are strawmen

of course it would suck if every close play were reviewed. that’s not what most people are proposing though. i would allow for a single challenge every game. that wouldnt slow the game down in any noticeable way. 3 hours and 3 minutes feels no different than 3 hours and 6 minutes.

as for replay on ball/strike calls, i think everyone agrees that would be far too unwieldy to implement. the umpires do an acceptable enough job calling balls and strikes and im comfortable with that. i like how pitch f/x and accubox or whatever the hell it is can help umpires get better, but i dont want the robots overruling a called strike 3.

it’s the fair/foul calls, the home run calls, the close-play-at-3B-on-a-tag-up calls, the did-it-hit-the-wrist-or-the-bat? calls where replay would be most beneficial. and those close plays are maybe only 1 or 2 a game, if any at all.

you are right about one thing though: i have a burning desire for exactness in sports. it’s not that i HAVE to know whether the runner was safe or not. i already know. Posey was out last night. we all know he was. even he knows he was. the game just wont admit it.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to get pissy, but did you read what I wrote?

I said length of game was a bad example. I don’t care about how much longer the game will be because of replay. That discussion takes away from the real reason why people are against replay. Daedelus mentioned that as one result of replay, and it was an easy target, so the argument gravitated that way. Forget about the length of game argument.

Okay, I’ll go read the rest of your comment now . . . :)

by Brian B on Oct 8, 2010 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

heh, sorry

i guess i didnt read your first line. my bad, brah.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess what I've had trouble with

is why people say pitch f/x can help umpires get better What do you mean by that? Do they study the calls they made earlier in the day?

The Posey play was blown. The umpire “ballparked” it and gave the runner the benefit of the doubt because the tag was high. There’s nothing else to say but that’s life. The Braves were put in a difficult position through no fault of their own. Deal with it. And they dealt with it by serving it up to Cody Ross. I’m fine with that because shit like that happens where i work too. Eventually, those things work in your favor too.

by Brian B on Oct 8, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think most people get inscenced from the injustice of seeing the call blown

when there is available video to refute it.

I’d like to see a computerized strike zone. I would prefer this to the day-by-day-, inning-by-inning, pitch-by-pitch fluctuations of umps who are led by activist Steve Polermo who thinks that the rule book strike zone should be enforced as the umps feel it should be called instead of being enforced by the book.

I think replay in baseball is a good idea in limited application, and should be expanded from its current role.

I prefer this to your suggestion that we “Deal with it.”

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Fun to play with not to eat!"

by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

"baseball is stumbling in this country because americans don’t have attention spans long enough to..."

TL;DR

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 8, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it's not consistent though

all those green specks in the box are right beside red ones.

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is dominance of a certain call though

There are a few exceptions, obviously, and a terrible view of the -.5 to -1.5 area, but it’s MOSTLY consistent. /shrug

I dunno how much I buy this stuff anyhow.

by jsl413 on Oct 8, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Predicting an explosion on Sunday

It’s the only TNT game in the playoffs.

You're never as bad as you look when you lose. You're never as good as you look when you win.

by JasperRed on Oct 8, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Petey,

Im giving “Momentary Lapse of Reason” one more try, it seems so much better now. It is really speaking to me, thank your this recommendation.

"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo

by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2010 3:01 AM EDT reply actions  

You're very welcome!

I’m glad it’s working well for you. One Slip is a pretty tasty groove, and the ballads are amazing. Heck, even that performance art to start the album has grown on me. :)

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

since you haven't ventured into the bar thread...

Um, about that Shatner show. Do you still think it’s good?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually haven't seen that show since they re-cast and re-shot.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you don't work on it?

Can we talk about how much it sucks without hurting your feelings? ;-)

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by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always.

I’m currently promoting the show Undercovers…which is not recommended.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lance McAlister is a jerk

I heard on 700 that he was cheering for a no hitter after the Reds gave up 4 runs. Firstly I don’t really believe him and second, if that is true, he should tell the players he was cheering for Halladay next time he does a sycophantic interview with one of them. Normally, I just find McAlister loud and somewhat annoying, that just really irritated me.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 8, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Frontrunner douchebag

“I just wanted to see history!”

by bobestes on Oct 8, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, can someone tell me how to...

explain how this is stupid:

Here’s a #Reds stat for ya 20-33 against teams with winning records, 71-38 against the sub 500 garbage.
, how if we play more teams with bad records, we’re going to have more wins, and especially how to see how well the Phillies did in these same situations?

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

cant you just tweet them this?

"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 8, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

still have 4.5 hours until game time

this day is taking forever. but i miss the excitement and nervousness i felt on wednesday.

my boss never bothered to show up for work today or tell me she wasn’t coming. what a freaking professional organization i work for. no wonder it’s ending next week.

by Daedalus on Oct 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

recrecrecrecrecrecrecrecrecrecrec

(although someone thinking that may really piss her off!)

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Oct 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cool basement, bro

I wish they meant my name instead of the city.

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

lineup

Phillips
Cabrera
Votto
Rolen
Nix
Bruce
Stubbs
Hanigan
Arroyo

I guess I’m OK with this. Rolen hits 4th always, after Votto, but Dusty did stick Nix 5th. So we’ll see how it goes. I don’t mind this lineup, though I’d still rather have Bruce in the leadoff, BP #2, and SlowCab in the 7 or 8 hole

by UncleWeez on Oct 8, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 8, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer him in the 26th hole.

"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker

by PeteyHendrix on Oct 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

gross

Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 8, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to pick on our cleanup hitter or anything...

because he had a great first half and I think his presence on this team has made a huge difference in a lot of ways…BUT…

Did you realize that Scotty had 188 total ABs in the second half…and hit 3 HRs and had 26 RBI while posting a slash line of 277/352/420 (772)? I honestly had not looked at his numbers in quite awhile (I guess I was caught up in the playoff run and all), but that is an even bigger drop off from his first half than I expected. This is an entirely different offense when Rolen is “1st half Scotty” vs. “2nd half Scotty.” With him hitting behind Votto most nights (or at least most nights that he plays), it makes Joey’s production all the more impressive. MVP-like in fact.

by MoAb on Oct 8, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second half scotty would have been a great #2 hitter.

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by justin007000 on Oct 8, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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