The Overwhelming Douchery/Short-sightedness of Phillies Fans and ESPN
Let me start off this way, I am one of the happiest people on the planet since winning the division. I cannot however Ignore ignorant "socialites" from the East and West coast cities who constantly mock Ohio, and act like we are sub-human. Many of these people are socially retarded when it comes to the shared culture and education of Americans, believing us to be stupid, boring, and people who lead pointless lives.
Many of these people are not mastered in geography, as they cannot comprehend that Ohio is not Kansas. Ohio does`nt receive any attention in the national news unless people die from Buckeye Egg Farm salmonella, or some crazy person buries a bunch of people in his yard in Cleveland, so how could the general population have any clue what it's like to be an Ohioan?
The arrogance, bias, and ignorance felt in the social arena carries over well to sports. For years, our teams are failed to be mentioned on television, even when analysts talk about EVERY OTHER team in the respective divisions. Fans of the Reds, Indians, Browns, and Bengals all know what it's like to feel irrelevant due to ESPN and their overwhelmingly arrogant, biased, and ignorant analysts, often from major coast cities.
Sure Ohio State wins, then get pummeled by SEC teams in the national championship, so our best sports team becomes the college football joke of the nation. And when traveling outside of Ohio, I realized everyone hates Buckeyes fans and OSU....HATES. Why? I have no idea. There is no love for Ohio, none.
Our MVP candidate almost missed the all-star game, kept off by Charlie Manuel, who didn`t hesitate to put Ryan Howard on the field. All year we heard ESPN pick the Cardinals over us, even when we led the division for a large majority of the season. We had to build the biggest division lead in the NL to get a shred of notice in regards to having a chance to win the Central. So here we are, days away from feeling the excitement and pride of having a dog in the race, the first time in 15 years.
Still, all 10 ESPN "experts" have chosen the Phillies to win (4 of them calling for a sweep), not one of them thinks we are going to win. Then again it isn`t hard to be an ESPN analyst, all you have to do is harass female interns and pick the champion of any sport to go back-to-back every year without any accountability.
All I've heard about is the "genius" of Charlie Manuel (most geniuses die well before his geezered ass) the prowess of their (injured) offense, and the domination of their big three (Oswalt and Hamels a combined 25-24 this year v.s. Arroyo and Cueto's 29-17) So...Let the hate and douchery begin.
"Here is what you need to understand, even though you are trying your hardest not to see it; the Phillies top 3 pitchers are out of Arroyo, Cueto and Volquez' universe. There is no comparison." -DrBrianPeppers
(Thank you, dumb guy named after a disabled and mentally ill sex offender)
"whelp they are screwed now, the phillies will make them look like a minor league team" -mssnp3
(Makes sense, because finishing with the biggest division lead in the NL means you are a minor league team)
"cueto should be allowed to pitch -- just as soon as he gets done serving his sentence for aggravated assault for kicking a man in the head repeatedly" -jamespatrick101
(I wonder who this guy is a fan of? Probably the whiney little bitches)
"How the Reds fans would ever tolerate letting Cueto back on the moundd after his little sissy boy kicking incident against the Cardinals I will never understand. You can kick a man in the back of the head with your spikes on and end his career and still be allowed to wear a professional baseball uniform. Disgraceful!!!!! Of course your dealing with the same one horse town that thinks Pete Rose should be allowed back in baseball. I guess it only figures." -ChiefDT
(P.S. He kicked Larue in the face while being surrounded by many larger people in a brawl, he is 5ft 9 and from the Dominican Republic, which I'm sure is so sissy compared to your screaming doucheness...and it`s spelled you`re)
"i am stoked to see Lincacum and Cain both pitch against the Phillies. Should be awesome! But have a gut feeling that we have a date with the Bombers once again and it will be Phillies in 7" -PhillyFan79
(This guy didn't even acknowledge the first round and yes this was after the matchup was set.)
"Being a Cubs fan I can look at the playoff picture dispassionatley: The Reds are frauds..." -nfranco
(And you, your team, and your opinion are irrelevant...douchebag)
Now, I could go on posting this garbage forever, but I am sure you get the point. Sure, sports fans all hate on each other when facing off, but the taste is a lot more bitter when there are such long breaks between winning, which cause people to write off our accomplishments and hold no respect for a city that begun major league baseball.
Our legend who broke the "unbreakable" hit record has been erased and disgraced, despite everything he did for the game as a player. Our shortstop (Larkin) revolutionized the position yet stays in the shadow of a career .260 hitter because he does flips, and the classless Robby Almoar in HoF voting. (After winning a WS, MVP, having 20-20+ years, .295 career BA. near perfect fielding % etc)
People forget and ignore our history and players, most importantly they ignore our present. Reds fans are baseball fans, we know what goes on around the league, how we match up against teams, and what strengths and weaknesses are. Sure there is going to be some biased opinions because our team is the Reds, but at least we stay away from being cocky douchebags like Phillies fans, or annoying douchebags like Cubs and Cards fans.
"Controversial" comments this year excited fans, because it made us realize our players feel the same way we do. Votto was right, screw the Cubs, and screw signing autographs for little spoiled Cubs fan kids. And yeah BP, we do hate the Cardinals, I MEAN HATE. No, I don't care that Larue's career is over, Cueto was pinned in a fight, keep your used up, back up catching backstabbing Cardinal ass out of the rumble if you don't want to deal with consequences. I guess you live and die by the Reds' sword...
Ask the Mayor, who played for multiple teams including the Red Sox and still dedicates himself to our fanbase. Ask Aaron Boone who hit one of the most memorable home runs in Yankees history and still gives his loyalty to the Reds. Ask Griffey Jr. who wanted to come here and be a part of our history, part of the glory his dad lived and talked about. Or ask the greatest hitter of all time how he feels about our team our city and our fans. Ask any piece of the machine what they think, or the wire-to-wire 1990 guys. Hell, ask the players that struggled through losing seasons.
Let them hate, let them forget their "unbeatable" ace has never been to the post-season, and gave up 14 hits to us in a game this year. Let them forget Oswalt hasn`t beat us this season. Let them forget the 16 runs Hamels gave up in 3 games last post-season, going winless.
Let them ignore the fact we have the best offense in the NL, that most of our defenders are Gold Glove caliber. Let them forget about Jay Bruce's emergence as a superstar, Volquez' 17 win season before surgery, and his dominant last month. Let em' forget about Arroyo's 17 win season this year, and Cueto's ability to dominate.
Most of all let them forget that we have the league MVP, and a hungry young team that's in tune with it's fanbase. Here is my response to Phillies fans, and all the analysts who get paid to not analyze...and I think I speak for Phillips, and most of the team when I say this....
Fuck. You. We'll see what happens Wednesday.
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Lighten up, Francis
You think it sucks being from Ohio?
Try being from Detroit.
Or New Jersey.
Or Mississippi.
Or anywhere else where people feel they are slighted by the rest of the country (aka Everywhere).
I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years
by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Oct 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
this was a rough read
I’m a Reds fan, and I think going against Oswalt and Halladay twice and Hamels once is a tall order. I’d put money on the Phillies if I were Pete Rose a betting man.
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
terrible analogy
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
by justin007000 on Oct 5, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uppity Korean baseball players
http://www.bofunk.com/video/9739/baseball_dance.html
"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.
good lord
What’s the opposite of a rec?
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Oct 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Flag?
But this isn’t flag-worthy, so…
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I don't think this is necessary.
I like not getting respect. It makes winning sweeter.
Besides, can you blame them for having the Phillies as favorites? The “minor league team” stuff is bullshit but other than that, it’s hard to be mad at people for favoring the team that seems better top to botton.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I sorta disagree
I’d rather win and say there were people who respected us to win than say “No one thought they could do it! They shocked the world!” like every mouth-breathing “underdog” in sports.
Fuck that. It’s lame and unoriginal.
by Brian B on Oct 5, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This.
I agree wholeheartedly. It’s to the point now that it seems almost every just-off-the-field-of-battle championship athlete says it. Maybe because he’s heard so many before him say it. It doesn’t even matter if it’s applicable to whatever journey he and his teammates just travelled and whatever goals they just achieved. It’s like ’I’m going to Disneyland!’ You say it even if no one has invited you to actually come to Disneyland.
But the thing is that when the Reds beat the Yankees next month and Brandon Phillips gets to deliver the standard, “Gotta thank our fans who believed in us.. Nobody else gave us a chance” postgame cliches.. well, it’s gonna be pretty damn cool. And it’ll be true.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 5, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
The “nobody believed this team could win except for the guys right here in this locker room/clubhouse!!” shtick is old and tired.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
This reads to me like something a WLB would write.
Wah wah wah – they ignored me, they hurt my feelings, they like someone else better, look!: I found someone on the internet who said something unfair and partial, we’re under-appreciated, wah…
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
WLB?
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Never mind, I get it.
Whiny little bitch.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
God here we go....
Your use of the word flummox is perplexing, even more so than your sense of humor that greatly resembles that of an abusive drunk father in a Lifetime movie.
I do think we are overlooked, I do get tired of traveling to large cities where people think Ohioans are backwards, and I am tired of the overwhelming East/West coast biased in any sport show or analysis.
I guess in general I’m just tired of liberals, their attitudes, their sports teams, NPR, and looking at all 16 of the Clinton’s chins
you know, since politics definitely applies here
i’m tired of hearing that same old garbage from both sides of the political spectrum. its so much more lame than anything i’ve ever seen on ESPN, and thats saying something.
i'm pretty sure there are quite a few liberals (also conservatives, others and a-politicals) on this board
As a liberal (I guess in a vague sense using an empty term, as I prefer to think of my self as a practical socialist) and an NPR listener (although i’m not really sure how either applies, except that I read Neal Conan’s book; Play by Play, Radio and Life in the Last Chance League, and that I am pro-salary cap which I guess makes me a socialist) i am also a Reds fan. I am pretty sure there are plenty of conservative Yankee, Philly and Red Sox’s fans, I really don’t know where you are going with this. I mean I have had my fair share of political discussions on this board, but I really don’t see why that affects how we view baseball.
But in the interest of unity and fan spirit, lets go reds, help get the government out of my medicaid, and lets get those liberal elite phillys and show them how small government=wins on the diamond.
But in the spirit of things, fucking liberal elites and their goddamn Yankee’s and Philly’s which in the spirit of modern American
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
new sig line
thank you, again.
"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 5, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
They also give reasons why the Reds could upset Philly
you know the Phillies were swept in the 2007 NLDS. Considering that guys like Leake, Wood, Chapman, Bailey, Bruce, and Stubbs haven’t reached their full potential, i think being able to handle a tight pennant race for 3 months is a huge step for the core of this team.
If Chapman is a dominant top of the rotation Randy Johnson-esque pitcher, we ain’t seen nothing yet.
Joey Votto is my MVP.
And that my friend
Feels great, I just hope Bob catches the success bug and pays all these guys when the time comes
i'm pretty sure if revenue increases he will keep many of these guys
but i doubt that on opening day of 2014 after Bruce, Votto, Volquez, Cueto, and maybe Bailey become free agent eligible, that all of them will be on the opening day roster.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
I couldn't believe what this Red's fan wrote
the domination of their big three (Oswalt and Hamels a combined 25-24 this year v.s. Arroyo and Cueto’s 29-17)
I mean that guy actually used wins and loses as a stat that meaningfully compares the quality of one pitcher with another. He completed ignored the fact that Hamel’s has the lowest ERA+ of the tree, which sits at 132, which is still higher than Johnny Cueto’s ERA+ of 110, which is the best of the Reds big three.
I mean in 2010 who still goes to war by using wins and loses when arguing the quality of pitching staffs? Silly Reds fans.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
This is so ridiculous.
Yes, ESPN commenters are mouthbreathing morons. Many Phillies fans are douchebags. But seriously, have you been to some of the Reds blogs around? It’s not pretty.
Also, even if you believed that ESPN picks were based on analysis and/or journalism, they don’t pick as a group. Even if some dude at ESPN thinks that the Phillies have a 51% chance of winning the series, he would pick the Phillies.
And jesus, you’re going to bring politics into it? What the hell?
This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.
What the FUCK has anything got to do with Vietnam?!
What the fuck are you talking about?!
"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I just need to accept the fact
Sarcasm doesn’t carry over well through a keyboard (liberal comment).
I still think the amount of wins you get matters, maybe not as much as ERA but it matters.
The past three years Bronson’s ERA has been near or over 4, but he still has more than 15 wins each season. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, possible it’s due to how many innings he pitches, I don’t know. Win loss is the only thing that matters with a team, not sure why it shouldn’t count for anything as the pitcher.
Two of the “big three” are sitting at about a .500 record, getting no decisions and plenty of losses to match wins. Does it mean they are bad pitchers? No, but it might mean their team isn’t so dominant, if they can’t back up their amazing pitchers with run support.
Look at it this way.
If you were the hypothetical manager of some hypothetical team in a hypothetical where for some reason I got to fiddle with your roster construction by hiding nearly every statistic from you, would you rather have Pitcher A (13-13) start the second game of your playoff run or have Pitcher B (17-10)? You’d pick Pitcher B, right?
But what if I decided to give you just a liiiiitle bit more information about your Game 2 starters and I told you that Pitcher B’s ERA was 3.88 over 210 innings while Pitcher A’s ERA was 2.76 over the same number of innings.
You’d pick Pitcher A and you’d completely and entirely forget about these pitchers’ win-loss records, right? You bet you would. (You better have. If not, well, there’s really nothing I can say at this point.)
I gave ONE additional statistic and you (wisely) decided to completely forget about Ws. So why, if a real Major League Baseball manager has access to any and every possible statistic about anything, would he allow “17>13” to be even a small part of his decision on who starts Game 2 of his playoff run?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
also one of the big three accumulated 12 of his 13 loses with a different team.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
by justin007000 on Oct 5, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
All kinds of issues in this....
I don’t care that Larue’s career is over, Cueto was pinned in a fight, keep your used up, back up catching backstabbing Cardinal ass out of the rumble if you don’t want to deal with consequences. I guess you live and die by the Reds’ sword…
For one, this was hardly a proud moment for us. I know to say that Cueto single handily ended LaRue’s career is an over-simplification of the events that occurred, but he did issue the death blow, and that sucks. I wish it wasn’t one of our guys who did this.
Also I fail to see how he is backstabbing, the Reds traded him on their on free will to Kansas City in December of 2006.
Finally this seems vaguely homophobic.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
Factual Mistake!
Let them hate, let them forget their “unbeatable” ace has never been to the post-season, and gave up 14 hits to us in a game this year.
13 hits, not 14.
"Uh, we're going to win for you tonight... Schottzie"-Chris Sabo
Reynard is a bit shall we say, high strung
And several people here have an unhealthy dislike for him and everything he says. Huge circle jerk of arguing over stupid shit between people that probably wouldn’t even have a conversation if they happened into each other in a bar.
Basically the internet in a nutshell.
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
Seriously
I kind of love this guy and want him to write for The Good Phight.
We have paid sick days and generous 401K contributions. Also, liquor.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 5, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
really?
well shit. at our last collective bargaining agreement we traded our 401k contributions for an air hockey table in the break room. it was a good idea at the time i swear, but the first week we had it jch24 used a half-frozen burger patty as a puck and now all the air holes are plugged up with meat grease. and that’s the story of how RR lost our 401k contributions AND our liquor privileges in one week.
"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 5, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell us another!
Pleeease? Just one more? Then we promise we’ll go to bed!
by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 5, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
don't believe the hype
If WC mentions profit-sharing, just a caveat. I’ve fallen for that before.
Probably just as well, as my share would all go up my liberal, East Coast nose while listening to Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me.
by Wet Luzinski on Oct 5, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Wait, Wait.."
Yeah, I heard that once when my cousin brought his new Pontiac down in the holler and let me try out that fancy FM radio dial. Flipped around and heard some inneressin’ talk on yer NPR about female cirumcision over in India or Iraq or Iran.. one a-them. Couldn’t get all the details. Big Wes started shouting for some Aerosmith and I thought- Hell, ain’t nuttin on these frequencies I need any more than what The Big One puts through my good old AM up on the porch.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Oct 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A-leetist!!
"Your use of the word "flummox" is perplexing" - Reynard
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 6, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
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You said the magic word, when can I start?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
BTW, you wouldn't happen to have any frozen burger patties lying around would you?
"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000
My favorite part
was where you rail against them for being dismissive of the Reds and writing them off as meh… followed by you referring to Ozzie Smith as being a .260 ss who does flips.
\that was great. you remmemmer that?
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
I mean...
was that factually incorrect? was his career average not in that ballpark and did he not do flips or did I miss that?
Hre wasn’t a good enough overall SS to overshadow Larkin’s career like he did was my point, just go with the biased reporting.
god, you're a real treat.
Yeah… I’m to go with the biased reporting OR reduce Ozzie Smith’s career to a single statistic and a gymnastic ability. Riiiight.
Yes, you are incorrect if you try to reduce Smith’s career to that.
What if someone said “Larkin was a good fielder but not the best of his day”. That would be a pretty shitty assessment of his career.
For what it is worth, I would take Barry over Ozzie Smith any day in any era.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
Also " Votto was right, screw the Cubs, and screw signing autographs for little spoiled Cubs fan kids"
I don’t know the history of this, had heard of it but haven’t seen the video or whatever… but that would be kinda uncool if someone did it to my kid from another team.
I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr4HNzZq0z0
Its pretty funny, I mean the fact the kid keeps pronouncing his name VOTE-O and yells it annoyingly over and over probably doesnt help the case

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