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Compare & Contrast: A superficial glance at Third Base

Position: Third Base

2010 Innings breakdown: Scott Rolen - 74%

                                            Miguel Cairo - 17%

                                            Juan Francisco - 5%

                                            Paul Janish - 4%

                                            Drew Sutton - 0%

2010 Composite batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

573

78

163

39

3

21

95

3

3

58

103

.284

.354

.472

.827

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.315

82.1%

8.9%

0.56

3.6%

5.61

2010 Composite NL average third baseman batting line (over 650 PA):

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

SB

CS

BB

SO

BA

OBP

SLG

OPS

582

75

154

31

2

17

80

5

2

55

124

.265

.331

.421

.752

BABIP

Contact Rate

Walk Rate

Batting Eye

SBO

RC/G

.311

78.7%

8.5%

0.44

4.4%

4.58

2011 Contract status:

Rolen - signed through 2012

Cairo - free agent

Francisco - not yet arbitration eligible

Janish - not yet arbitration eligible

Sutton - with Cleveland

Advanced minor league depth:

Juan Francisco - age 23, 890 OPS at AAA

Mike Costanzo - age 26, 799 OPS at AA, AAA

Jose Castro - age 23, 547 OPS at AA

Relative win increase, 2010 vs. 2009: +4

Brief summary of 2010: Well, that move worked.  I remember hearing some long-time manager or GM once theorizing that 3rd base was a top priority in constructing a team, because it was both an important defensive position while also historically being a spot to house a big bat.  Fill the role ably, and you're well on your way to making a winner.  While Scott Brosius would like to remind us that there's more than one way to skin a cat, the theory sounds plausible.  Times being what they are, plausibility can be legally defended as absolute truth, so we'll go with it.  To recap: Scott Rolen fell apart in the latter part of the season, and went AWOL in the playoffs.  He sat most Sundays to give way to Miguel Cairo, and had an express pass to the trainer's room.  All while representing a four win increase over the 2010 abomination, even though Rolen manned the position for roughly ¼ the year.  Thanks, Walt.

Way too early knee-jerk outlook for 2011: Over the final two months of the season, Rolen posted an OPS in the 710-715 ballpark.  Those numbers need to come with the caveat of Rolen's specific injury timeline, but at the very least, August and September provided one possible glimpse into the future.  Here's what we know: in 2010, Rolen played in more games, hit more home runs, drove in more runs, and took more free passes than he has in any season since 2006.  Defense tends not to slump, but it does correlate with a player's mobility...which might be an issue.  I'm expecting the third base output from Cincy to look much more like the league average line posted above, with quite a bit more of the production coming from NotRolen.

Bottom line: The Reds employ a hitting coach.  I have no idea who he is, but it's time for him to earn his paycheck, namely around the development of Juan Francisco and the wondrous art of pitch selection.  Similarly, the Reds also have a trainer.  Again, his name is but a mystery, but I suggest he stock up on cortisone and duct tape to see if we can't squeeze one more prime year out of Scott Rolen.  All signs point to no.   Sell, sell, sell.

Poll
Third Base in 2011?
Strong Buy
9 votes
Weak Buy
20 votes
Hold
67 votes
Weak Sell
73 votes
Strong Sell
46 votes

215 votes | Poll has closed

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3B scares the hell out of me, and is the reason I would have taken Beckham over Yonder

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't

Beckham was a pretty solid midfielder in his prime, and his value on set plays was second to none. But I think his value at third base is questionable, at best. Plus, at age 35, he’s not likely to improve, and we could do without all the paparazzi.

by ben nevis on Oct 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

They need to put bodies in them seats. Get me Beckham-Posh Spice and Rihannakemp and you’ll have the season ticket sales to sign Crawford and Lee. Which I guess means you won’t need Matt Kemp. And definitely not David Beckham.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What we really need is a world class goal keeper.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 28, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it had been up to me

I would have called him Commander Iker.

by Brendanukkah on Oct 29, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you here and went with strong sell

Perhaps it was just the memories of his performance vs. Philadelphia, but I think there’s a good chance he’s down to a 1-2 WAR player next year as opposed to 5.

Let’s just hope Bruce picks up the slack in the offense as I expect him to.

by RedStalk on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

It is becoming obvious I need a copy editor

The end of the 2010 summary section should be referencing 2009 as the abomination.

Sorry for sucking.

by riverfront76 on Oct 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

And it's a Pirate's Cove

mini-golf course.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

the key to getting a hole-in-one on the talking parrot hole

is to hit it around the parrot instead of into his mouth. jch keeps his collection of Hustler mags in the parrot so your ball will just end up stuck. and icky.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have made many a talking parrot hole icky in my day

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I was born on xmas, you can call me jch

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Lots of decorations and candles, and kids get tons of free shit.

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's disgusting

Who would make children pay for fecal material?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 28, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm going to walk around my neighborhood Sunday night lighting bags of shit on fire and leaving them on the sidewalk for trick or treaters to stomp out

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as they don't have to pay to stomp them out.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Church of Tim Burton'd

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never be sorry for sucking, Ms. Riley.

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

precisely why we won't trade END in the offseason.

boo…

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Oct 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

reply fail to jch

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Oct 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Francisco has a future at 3B

I wouldn’t hold him back if he sweetens a trade deal. They seem perfectly willing to plug in Cairo. And you’ve got Frazier also. Francisco may be the best power bat of potential back-ups, but he’s not a great option if Rolen goes down for an extended length of time due to his defense and inveterate free-swinging. I’d like to see the Reds procure a more defensively-minded Drew Sutton-type to back up Rolen from Louisville.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the presence of Frazier makes END more expendable.

I don’t think Frazier will make the club as a utility guy, but I doubt they want to use END like that either. Which means both would likely start the year in AAA anyway, and an older veteran or Drew Sutton-type will be signed to back up Rolen.

The good thing about an END trade means that Frazier might very well get plugged in to 3B on a full-time basis then. If that happens, his prospect status immediately shoots up IMO, because his bat might actually play there in the bigs. Then if Rolen goes down for a while, he can come up and be the long-term sub.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i completely agree, i don't want him anywhere near the field and i fully support trading him.

what i meant was: i think the organization is enamored with his upside, sees a lack of depth at his position, and will refrain from trading him.

"Now onto more important things: Punching Errorlando Cabrerror in the fucking tits." -Geki

by GrooveLeg on Oct 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The old guy

OPSd 1.123 against the Brewers… bastahd

by ol Pete on Oct 28, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you calling him a bastard, or asking him to stop in Italian?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Oct 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you folks are underrating Francisco

I understand why. At the plate he reminds you of Wily Mo. In the field he reminds you of Encarnacion.

I believe he is better than both of those guys. He’s never going to be a great 3rd baseman and he’s never going to draw 100 walks, but I think, if given a chance, he will not be a liability.

I can see him OPSing .900+ and being only slightly below average at 3rd.

Anyone else got love for END?

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think we're underrating him as much as pointing out that he doesn't

really have a clear role in the future of the team. I get that he has tremendous power, but the contact he was able to make in the minors won’t float him as well in the majors. He’s unlikely to see a full time role to adjust his approach to major league pitching, while continuing to let him feast on meatballs in AAAs will cease being helpful developmentally.

You can’t move him to 1B, for obvious reasons and they don’t seem to trust his ability to patrol the OF. He’s below average defensively at 3B. I think he’s good depth behind Rolen, but how much better – in terms of overall value at the position – would he be than Cairo or a Drew Sutton-type? Then you’ve got Frazier, who has a higher ceiling and more defensive flexibility – if Rolen went down for a prolonged period, you’d absolutely want to try Frazier there first if you thought he could stick there.

Francisco can hit, and I don’t think he’s Adam Dunn defensively, but I just have trouble seeing where he fits.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Jay Bruce's average in AAA was .332, and his OPS was .958, all at a younger age

and he still wasn’t a truly productive offensive player until he learned some pitch selection and plate discipline.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

was it you, creds

who was talking about his walk percentage, or maybe his K/BB ratios, and comparing it to serviceable major leaguers? And it showed that no one has succeeded with his ratios?

He just need work, and I’m not patient enough for it, because I think it will be very frustrating. I love his power and that’s about it. Maybe I’m a glass-half-empty type, but I see a Richie Sexson/Wily Mo guy, with slightly better numbers. Trade him trade him trade him.

by UncleWeez on Oct 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

*needs

also, this was a very, very poorly written post. I apologize to all. But I think in the nasty muck of unintelligibleness, my point is sort of made

by UncleWeez on Oct 28, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Wily Mo is an excellent comp for him

I think END can be a more valuable defender, but when you compare their minor league progression and numbers, they are remarkably similar. The only major difference is that Pena was doing his thing at every level younger than END has.

Yes, it was me. And the point is that for a season, guys can outperform the peripherals, but in the end it always catches up to them. And for me it’s not a matter of patience. He’s now had 5 years in the minors and has yet to show any marked improvement in his BB/K numbers. I just don’t believe it’s going to happen at this point.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I saw your post further on down

I agree with you, and I think that the longer we wait to trade him, the less we’re going to get for him. The window is starting to slowly close, and I think it’s time to move on.

by UncleWeez on Oct 28, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Dawson was the closest we got

to a comp who learned to be productive by lowering his K’s without increasing his walk rate. And it’s still not very close, unless you take into account the K-depressed era Dawson played.

That said, he’s certainly a unique hitter.

by Brian B on Oct 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

One problem....

For Francisco to OPS .900+, he’s going to need a .600+ slugging percentage, because his OBP is likely going to hover around .300. I think if Francisco succeeds, he’s going to put up lines similar to what John Buck has the last couple of seasons.

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by RedsMasochist on Oct 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

.911

That’s his AAA OPS.

He’ll get on base enough.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was bolstered by 99 PA at the end of 2009 where he hit .359 and OPS'd .982.

I don’t think he’s too likely to repeat that with pitchers who have seen him before in the minors, let alone the majors. Especially considering he had never put up an OPS above .847 before that at any level. He has a chance to still be a solid player, just not real likely he’ll be a star.

If you want to see real bashing, check out Red Reporter…it’s crazy over there - hr

by RedsMasochist on Oct 28, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think he’d be lucky to OPS .800+, could very easily see him fail to break .750. And I know he won’t get on base enough, because he won’t reach .320 for his career. ML pitchers will eat him alive with his plate discipline.

by kcgard2 on Oct 28, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a bit rich that you think Heisey is shite but END (he of the career .807 minors OPS) will be able to OPS over .900 in the majors

The only way that is remotely possible is if he hits 35 homers and slugs .600, because his OBP in the majors won’t be much above .300. And once guys stop throwing him strikes I guarantee he won’t come close to 35 homers.

And he’s 23 now, getting to the point where his ridiculously bad BB/K rates can’t just be passed off as youth that he may grow out of. It’s far more likely that this just is who he is at this point.

For some perspective: His BB/K ratio in AAA this year (where he admittedly OPSed .890) was .20 You know the highest OPS of any major leaguer with a ratio that bad? .753. Wanna know who did that?

Wily Mo Pena.

I’d say the comps are pretty appropriate.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's inconceivable that he could compile a season like WMP did in '04

but where would he do it? His ceiling might be a sort of “showcase” player that could swing a WMP-for-Arroyo style trade, but even that path seems blocked.

I don’t like ragging on players in general, and especially not for limitations that seem to be largely beyond their control, but the odds are stacked against him – and that BB/K rate is a critical reason why.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree entirely

Of course I take his AAA stats with a grain of salt, but I really believe you guys are undervaluing him because he reminds you of a couple noteworthy busts.

.270/.300/.500

This is what he’d do over the course of a season right now, at age 23. That’s his floor. Maybe it’s also his ceiling.

He might get better, he might not. I wouldn’t want to see him out there every day right now, by any stretch of the imagination, but I really think we ought to keep him around another year and find out what he’s got.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not because he reminds me of a bust

It’s because, in the entire history of baseball, no one with his peripheral stats has EVER put up a slash line like you just did. Maybe over one season (too lazy to look) but I’d rather not hope he can game the system for a year.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t do what I hope he can do, but I don’t think he’s Wily Mo.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps not. But Wily Mo got us Bronson because Krivsky had the cajones to trade him at his absolute peak worth.

I fear the longer END plays in AAA/MLB the less trade value he’ll have.

I wouldn’t hate seeing him on the roster to start the year as a backup 3B/LF but since I don’t see them doing that, I’d rather he just get traded so Frazier can play 3B.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having seen END in person

I can tell you he has a presence at the plate. He’s a big strong guy, but beyond that I got a sense that he really belonged up there mashing. I really do believe he could become a great hitter and it would be a shame if it was for another franchise.

by GlennBraggsSwingAndMissBrokenBat on Oct 28, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, for the record, I hope your right.

But I wouldn’t bet a nickel on it happening.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

*you're

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen END in person, too

I got a sense he has Wily Mo’s bat and Adam Dunn’s glove.

I’m not nearly as high on his defense as some here.

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

more so than I am

I think he’s turrible.

Admittedly, I could be wrong. Maybe I just happened to catch him on several bad days. But he just did not look good to me, at 3B or LF. He missed what should have been easy outs.

Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I don’t trust his glove at any position except DH.

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

People who are high are high on his defense

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that reminds me

Maybe this is why Josh Hamilton was 0 for 4 last night. He was distracted by the fog of marijuana smoke!

(Gotta love SF.)

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Still not sure whether it’ll be with NPB, Sumo, or in a NHK pay-per-view bout with Mothra.

by ken on Oct 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's Juan Uribe going to cost next year?

That comment relayed last night where Ozzie Guillen told Bruce Bochy that Uribe would be his best 3B, SS, or 2B really had me listening. Considering we’re all well aware of how much time Rolen needs off and we’ve already touched on getting BP more rest, Uribe would be quite a nice fit.

Signing him to play roughly 80-90 games at SS (with soft-J getting the rest), 30-40 games at 3B and 20 or so games at 2B doesn’t sound like a bad idea, does it?

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It wouldn't be a terrible idea, but I seriously doubt he'll sign to be a super-sub

And he’ll also cost more than we like, both in dollars and years.

He’ll only be 32 next year, so no way he signs a 1 year deal. I bet someone gives him 3 guaranteed.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scutaro got 2 years/$12.5M with a '12 option from the Red Sox

He’s older than Uribe, but he’d put together a better year in 2009 in terms of rate stats.

Uribe is going to require at least two years and some assurances he’d start. So if the Reds could spring for that, Janish would be in the caddy shack again. If Rolen or BP went down, I wouldn’t expect much flexibility – Uribe would probably stay at SS. In ‘12, you’d have a left side of the infield making close to $15MM, with a combined age of 70 or so.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it’s a nice though, but I don’t think it’s plausible. If we were the Phils or Mets or something it might make sense, but it’s not happening with the Reds. Nor should it, for the price/risk

by UncleWeez on Oct 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a bad idea

if that’s how he was used – and the price is right. But it’s doubtful, at least right now, that the Reds have the money. And he’d be an expensive hyper-utilityman. He’s going to be asking for multiple years.

His OBP and age are red flags, but he has pop and can pick it at multiple positions. I’d give him $5M for one year with some kind of option.

Need the number of that store where they make ceramics in an oven made out of damaged circus supplies. It's called Rumpled Stilts Kiln. - Jon Wurster

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Oct 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a terrible idea, not at all.

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by Cy Schourek on Oct 28, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

A new hitting coach cannot help Juan Fiasco...until END listens and apllies some discipline in each and every one of his AB, the hitting coach is just pissing into the wind.

Frazier should be on the 25 out of ST in 2011. He needs to get some PT at 2B and LF…and begun to be groomed for the 3B job. It is time to see whether or not Frazier is going to hit at the MLB level. I am a big Rolen fan but I don’t see how his body will allow him to more than a platoon player at best in2011. So Dusty needs to pick and choose when he can to play Todd and have Todd ready for Rolen goes down with injuries.

Although I could also see Yonder being looked at there (3B) but I doubt it will happen except in ST.

If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir

by Madville on Oct 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

not at the plate

or pitching, i heard he threw 106 once. That may be a myth

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Oct 28, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is racist!

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."

-President Andrew Jackson

by justin007000 on Oct 28, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

uhhh.......

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Oct 28, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for unintended hilarity

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yonder is supposedly spending the winter working on skills, mobility and acclleration training.

This is in place of playing winter ball, so my guess is that the Reds are hoping to see if he can learn to play either 3b *highly doubtful) or LF (possible if he can improve on his speed.

If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat.
Simone de Beauvoir

by Madville on Oct 28, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Official Elias Rankings on MLBTR

Arroyo, Hernandez, Rhodes are all Type AsCabrera is a type B

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Excercise option, ditch, ditch, ditch

"just a couple of weeks ago a first year student in my program told me i was charming and charismatic, it was a guy, but the point still stands.: -- justin007000

by jch24 on Oct 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn't thought about the compensation angle for Hernandez

and I still don’t want to lose him, but offering him arb might be the best thing Walt can do. He can say, “We’d love to have you back one more year and work out a fair salary. If you want that, accept arb. If not, good luck to you”.

I’m torn on Rhodes. I think I’d probably rather take the draft pick, but I’m not sure he’d get signed if a team was going to lose it’s first rounder for him.

I don’t want any possibility of Cabrera on the team, so I say don’t even offer him arb.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd go for the arb on 'nando and Rhodes

even if nobody will take them for the picks, they can at least be traded.

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by Cy Schourek on Oct 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with offering arb to Cabrera is he might take it.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

What Would Joey Votto Do?

by OGC Reds on Oct 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is no laughing matter, son.

The possibility of Cabrera coming back strikes fear into the heart of women and children everywhere.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, yknow?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 29, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say option, arb, arb, kill with fire

I think people might bite on Rhodes, since he really was dominant this year. Doubt there’s anyone who signs Ramon if it costs em a first rounder

by UncleWeez on Oct 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree. He's a solid, proven catcher who is coming off a great year.

I’d be more likely to give up a pick for that than a 41 year old middle reliever.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 28, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

he’s a 35 year old catcher who has averaged only 85 games behind the plate per year over the last 4 years. He’s serviceable with the glove and the bat, but either one could fall off a cliff at any moment, it seems to me.

by kcgard2 on Oct 30, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

lately

It seems like the economics of the game have changed, and it doesn’t sense to offer arb much any more.

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011 looks to be a talent-filled, deep draft.

If the Reds can get an extra pick or two, that could go a long way toward developing some pitching depth that they currently lack in the minors, outside of AAA.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Oct 29, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a very good point

1st round picks are going to be much more valuable this coming year than they normally are.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 29, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spring Training Online

Has a partial spring training schedule. The Reds schedule isn’t complete, so I guess they’ve put it together by looking at other teams’ schedules.

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

good gravy

Why did they leave Holland in so long?

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd have taken Holland out earlier.

Wooden shoe?

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 29, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

man, this game got out of control all of a sudden

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by BubbaFan on Oct 28, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

sheer insanity

First two batters strike out. Then the Giants bat around, putting 7 runs on the board. All with 2 outs.

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