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"A" Team plus "B" Team equals Victory. Reds win, 7-4.

Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Jay Bruce.  Bruce hit two home runs and drove in three before leaving early along with most of the starters.  Honorable Mentions go to Homer Bailey, Brandon Phillips, Corky Miller, Casey McGehee, Lorenzo Cain, and Ryan Hanigan.

Key Plays

  • The Reds got the scoring started in the third.  Brandon Phillips led off with his second single.  Jay Bruce then homered to right-center.  Reds lead, 2-0.
  • In the 4th, Jonathan Lucroy grounded out to score Casey McGehee from third for the Brewers’ first run. 
  • The Reds got the run back in the bottom of the inning.  Ryan Hanigan led off the inning with a double on a deep fly to center.  He then advanced to third on Drew Stubbs’ single and scored on Orlando Cabrera’s sac fly to right.  The throw from Corey Hart beat him, but Hanigan kicked Lucroy’s leg off the plate.  Reds lead, 3-1.
  • Milwaukee threatened in the fifth but couldn’t score with the bases loaded and one out.  Homer Bailey struck out Lucroy and Cain to end the inning.
  • Bruce then hit his second HR leading off the 6th 5th.  It was not without controversy due to potential (probable) fan interference.  Lorenzo Cain jumped for the ball, but his glove met a fan’s above the yellow line but not over the plane of the wall.  The umps reviewed but did not reverse the HR call.  Reds up, 4-1.
  • Casey McGehee pulled the Brewers even in the 7th with a three-run bomb off Jordan Smith.  Smith had earlier hit Ryan Braun and walked Prince Fielder.  He might've pitched his way off the postseason roster today. Tie game.
  • The Reds got the lead back in the bottom of the inning when Todd Coffey entered the game.  Yonder Alonso doubled off the CF wall to score Miguel Cairo from first.  Corky Miller (!) then crushed a homer over center.  Reds lead, 7-4.
  • The bullpen took care of the rest.  Nick Masset struck out the side in the 8th.  Francisco Cordero got a DP and a K to take care of the 9th.  90 wins.
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Star-divide

Other Notes

  • A night after the Reds struck out 17 times, Homer Bailey turned the tables.  He struck out 10 in 5 innings and allowed just one run.  The 10 Ks gives him an even 100 on the season.
  • Joey Votto and Scott Rolen were given days off to rest up for the postseason.  Perhaps in honor of Hispanic heritage day, Yonder Alonso and Miguel Cairo were given the starts.
  • With three home runs to Milwaukee's one, the Reds padded their team HR lead in the NL.  Cincinnati now has 187; Milwaukee is second with 182.
  • The Reds now have 90 wins.  A win tomorrow would give them a 91-71 record, the same as the 1990 team.

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ctrent says Harang's pitching tomorrow

I hope he can go out well and gets some love from the crowd.

90 wins…who knew?!

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Oct 2, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Glad he's getting the chance to start

Since we’ll probably never see him start in a Reds uniform again, it’ll be kind of bittersweet.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Oct 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harang's last harrah?

though it might be, I would love to be there to give him some support. I’ll be there in spirit anyway, and most likely on these boards.

Would it be anti climactic for him if the Reds give him a 4 run lead to start the 2nd? I actually that would fitting outtro.

heart Harang

I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor

by Howie Feltersnatch on Oct 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a fitting outro

because he’d almost certainly give up four runs in the top of the 2nd were that the case.

Just joshin’, Adam. I hope you have a good final appearance as a Redleg so you can perhaps try smiling for the first time in your life. You and Bronson will go down in history as the least crappy Reds’ starters of the 2000s, and that’s something to be proud of.

by Geki on Oct 2, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, actually, only you'll go down as that.

Bronson will go down as a World Series MVP.

by Geki on Oct 2, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

adam?

dang. dude works his ass off… and you call him ‘Adam’?

I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?

by supergrover on Oct 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, we've either been brilliantly and hilariously trolled,

or fuck you, man, show some goddamn respect!

But I believe it to be the former :)

by Gapper on Oct 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was some years ago

i believe in ‘07 when he was a legit Cy Young candidate, and some opposing broadcaster called him “Adam” for the entire game. or something like that. so it’s stuck ever since.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can dig it

+1’ing then

I could sleep when I lived alone.
Is there a ghost in my house?

by supergrover on Oct 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a reminder that our boy was one of the best

but never got the respect he deserved. who knew the last chapters of his Reds story would be even more of a Greek tragedy?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trials and tribulations of Adam and Brandon, the two best Reds pitchers of the 00s

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't "some opposing broadcaster"

it was Sports Illustrated in their baseball preview.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 3, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

i’ll be there to give him a standing O.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

me three. I will stand and cheer.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ill be there in spirit

and in internet.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 2, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Cordero other note?

Matched last year’s save number at 39, tying his career high as a Red.

by ashersky on Oct 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt that he lasts more than 3 innings, unless Dusty is being all sentimental.

How many of the following will be back next year?

Jared Burton Maybe
Aaron Harang Toast
Matt Maloney Traded
Arthur Rhodes Too Old
Jordan Smith Traded
Corky Miller . if he doesn’t go into coaching
Miguel Cairo Too old.
Juan Francisco Trade bait
Jim Edmonds Too old
Jonny Gomes Bigger money elsewhere
Laynce Nix More $$$ elsewhere

"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 2, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Arthur Rhodes will never retire

He is not of this planet.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Oct 2, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

X

I wonder if there’s a college study that shows how exposing my generation to Three’s Company set gender relations back approximately 715 years

by RoastBeefKazenzakis on Oct 2, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well I can see what you've done there

and I don’t disagree, but you leave the question of replacements. I have no idea on contracts here, but assuming every player you’ve named is up for grabs…

I think either Gomes or Nix will be back next year, but not both. Depends on the new LF starter we obtain ;)

Burton and Rhodes are kept.

Of the others, I can see a Maloney, Smith, (and Alonso not Francisco) traded.

Edmonds will retire after his stellar postseason performance.

For Cairo, Harang, it’s up to them what they’ll accept, so I can see each being let go, but kept if they want to be around

I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor

by Howie Feltersnatch on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Smith on that list?

Also if the Reds tender NIx a contract he won’t be going anywhere, he doesn’t have the service time to be a free agent on his own volition.

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 2, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith blows that's why.

Cairo is too old – Bloomquest replaces
Gomes – Alonso replaces
Harang will never wear the Reds uni again after this season.
Rhodes may well retire but I don’t see him lasting another season
Nix – Hi-Z replaces.

"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 2, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessssssssssssssssssssss.

I’m guessing this has more to do with having Bronson available for a possible game 5 (it is Dusty, after all) than it does putting the best man out there for the first game, but the result is the same either way.

by Geki on Oct 2, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They linked Fay

Votto told Fay “I don’t know” when asked if he’s interested in an extension. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the interesting thing

about the MLB Trade Rumors article is that they crunch the numbers, predicting what it would cost to keep Votto…if he agrees to stay, and there are good reasons why he may not.

Can’t really blame him if he chooses to go the Teixeira route. As Dusty said, he’s now the breadwinner for his family.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could sign a 5 or 6 year extension with the Reds

and still be pretty young when that contract ends, and get another big multi year mutli-million dollar contract.

I mean either way he is going to be rich.

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 2, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just want him in pinstripes!

But you can’t have him, he’s ours!
:)

What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.

by DocRam on Oct 2, 2010 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is the Yankees' type

They love lefties, especially power-hitting lefties, and they don’t care about defense much.

But I don’t think Teixeira is going anywhere, and the Yanks are likely to have a huge backlog at DH for the foreseeable future.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is the Yankees' type

Awesome at baseball.

I’d be more worried about LA poaching him, with his Laker fascination and all.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halos or Dodgers?

Ugh, I don’t want to see him become a Halo.

Worst of all (for me) would be if he signed with the Red Sox.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both

Angels have deep pockets, and the Dodgers will probably have new owners. Hopefully this is all avoided.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be ok with him beocming a Dodger I guess

we’d get to see him a few times a year, but wouldn’t get too damaged by him (unless both teams reached the playoffs). If he ended up with the Cubs, though, there would be some kind of tragic irony to the whole thing

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait what?

we should all want votto to be a red forever. PERIOD.

by AB on Oct 3, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

A-Rod is not gonna be able to play 3rd much longer.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

must keep votto

how much farther can he get north? indians, tigers, twins, jays.

keep him here, make a franchise

I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor

by Howie Feltersnatch on Oct 2, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see him going to a "big market."

He’s said a number of times on record that he doesn’t like “big cities.” He’s also been earnest enough in the past to make me believe he hasn’t really considered the idea. However, I’m scared as all get-out that he’d want to go to Toronto.

by FordhamRam on Oct 2, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

to me

Toronto is a big city. It’s a freakin’ HUGE city. The traffic is nightmarish.

A couple of friends of mine moved to Toronto for work, and just couldn’t take it. Fled back to Vancouver, which they claim doesn’t have the “big city” feel that
Toronto has.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I was just going with the hometown angle.

by FordhamRam on Oct 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I agree

As someone who’s never lived in a city big enough for a professional sports team, Vancouver seems huge to me, too.

Funny how western Canada seems so American, though, while eastern Canada has a definite European vibe.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vancouver isn't necessarily big, but dense.

2nd highest population density in North America, after NY City. Partly due to geography, I suppose, but it definitely gives the place a nice urban look and feel.

Large suburban populations in a metropolitan area sure do make the place suck, that’s for sure.

by Gapper on Oct 2, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's more than geography

The good people of Vancouver seem politically opposed to sprawl.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 3, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No worries here

Joey isn’t thinking about contracts right now. He’s thinking about the playoffs.

And I’m not worried about Toronto, either. He shuns attention, and seriously, how much anonymity do you think he’d have there? People in Cincinnati love him but still let him live his life.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

but will the owners in Cincinnati pay him $120M to stay here?

and would that be a smart decision for them to make?

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 2, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot depends on your definition of "long term"

8 years, $120 million? No, I’d rather they didn’t do something like that. 3 or 4 years for $40-$50 million? This is something I’d be happier with.

We’ll see what happens. It’s hard to know what anyone’s thinking right now.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they'd let him alone in Toronto

Canada just seems a lot more laid back about celebrities than the US. And it’s not like he plays hockey or anything. :-)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they'd let him alone in Toronto

Canada just seems a lot more laid back about celebrities than the US. And it’s not like he plays hockey or anything. :-)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must be going for some pretty damn good bread, then, if the major league minimum isn't enough.

(I’m not actually against pro athletes getting their payday, but I really hate the “provide for my family” line. Come on.)

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how many poeple

and to what extent they depend on Votto, but I think the implication would be they’d (meaning his immediate family) all be set for life, not just him and whatever family he may eventually has on his own. I’m not sure it’s really useful for Dusty or Votto (who didn’t actually mention this) to bring it up in this context either, though, simply because I’m sure many players are in situations where they have to provide for family.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

side note "for life"

could include a ton of stuff (education, etc.). Briefly considering this has made me realize that I don’t make much money and living is too expensive! Things should just cost a dime or quarter again like my grandparents insist that they did ;)

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

The thing about an athletic career is that could be very short. You never know when injury could end it all. And even if you’re lucky enough to stay healthy, you’ll end up retiring at an age when most people have not yet reached their peak earning years.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 3, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think we often underestimate what exactly this means to the player

how many ball players out there get to the point where they actually can provide for their families? Votto has made a bit over a million bucks so far, which could reasonably and conservatively take care of him and his for a good long while. but he’s one of the select few, and i would imagine that psychology abounds among young ball players. he’s not going to work to 40-50 years like regular people. he (and all other ballplayers out there) only gets a few years to actually ply his trade and make his dough.

so i think the “provide for my family” line is a very appropriate one. so few players ever get the chance to cash that big check (Brandon Claussen is working for a junk yard, last i heard) and i bet it’s quite a relief when they actually make it. unfortunately, guys like Latrell Spreewell poison the public perception for all of them.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except, whenever I hear that line, it's at multi-year contract or free-agent signing time.

So we’re looking at the difference between the likes of $8.5M or $15M a year, not major league minimum vs. something slightly more. No one’s family is going to go hungry, homeless, uneducated, unvacationed, gizmo-less, etc. on multi-millions.

You do raise an interesting question, though. I’d love to see a comprehensive story on what ballplayers do after they’re done playing—and I’m not talking about the ones who never quite make it, but the ones who have at least semi-successful careers and retire on their own terms. How many continue to work in some capacity? We see the high -profile ones (the coaches, advisors, scouts, media, etc.) Do the others truly retire?

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand the frustration when ballplayers quibble over the difference between $15 mil and $18 mil

but trying to see it from their perspective, i think there really is a sense of desperation at play, as absurd as that sounds. if you are fortunate enough to ever get that one big payday, you know it’s going to be your only one. we schmucks can hem and haw about it, but the difference between $15 and $18 mil is real, actually money, and i cant really begrudge them for wanting to get everything they can out of their one opportunity.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I get that. I said in my first comment that I don't mind them making all the money they want to.

But I think it’s disingenuous when they say (as some do, not all) that it’s all about providing for their families or being the “breadwinner.” That’s just a PR line. Sure, they may want more money so they can buy things for their families, but we’re not talking about necessities or economic security or even minor luxuries. You can get all that on $300,00/year. It’s the line I don’t like, not the money.

Side note, Joey Votto is not the sole breadwinner in his family, as was said upthread. Mom’s still around to provide for the little brothers, too. Can’t remember what she does, but I definitely remember her job being mentioned in an interview somewhere.

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously though

i think i get what youre saying. the PR line is a bit melodramatic, if not totally bullshit.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things are different in Canada.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.

by andromache on Oct 3, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's also the understandable suspicion of the owner's finances

It’s not terribly credible when the team cries poor in most instances. Stadiums are cash cows paid for by the public. There’s gobs of money coming from TV (national, local, and mlb.tv). There’s also ticket sales, of course. And for the small market teams, there’s revenue sharing.

I think every club should be able to afford at least one franchise player. The Twins are a middle sized market but have committed seriuos money to Morneau and now Mauer. Even the Marlins have ponied up for Josh Johnson and Hanley.

It seems stupid to be talking about Votto’s extension on the eve of the playoffs (great question, Fay), but I have a lot of faith that something will get done to keep Votto in Cincinnati well beyond his arbitration years. It might not be this winter. But they have plenty of time.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

but its not like Dusty can say that very easily without causing problems.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 3, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

can't blame MLB TR

They’re just reporting what John Fay said. You know, our beat writer.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a very ambiguous answer

but probably thonly reasonable one to give. However, he could have said something like “it’s been fun here, we’ll see what happens” or something like that I suppose

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also- saw the worst spelling of Cincinnati ever in the comments.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone smiseplled

cincinnati….story of my life

I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor

by Howie Feltersnatch on Oct 2, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at the game today! They did most of the announcements in Spanish for Hispanic Heritage Day.

The only grumbling I heard was when the text poll was in Spanish on-screen AND it was read in Spanish. ‘Cause what’s the point of coming to the game if you can’t understand the text poll?!?!

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was an extreme underabundance of tacos being sold at the game today

’tHan and I were none too pleased.

"Aroldis Chapman is a seven course meal followed by four hours of sex on the table with a nymphomaniac model heiress who owns her own brewery." - jch24

by BK on Oct 2, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was disappointed, too.

I was really hoping for some guacamole. I enjoyed the pre-game presentation of flags, though, where they recognized which players came from each country. And I really liked the bilingual announcing. I like the ring of “Los Rojos de Cincinnati!”

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I work for a national company with the word "Cincinnati" in the name

You wouldn’t believe the range of spellings I get on my mail. I mean seriously, Cincinnati isn’t New York, but it’s not Fairmont, South Dakota either.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean Faremont?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 3, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

this all seems to be a non-story

Votto has 3 years before he reaches free agency, and while I am sure a long term contract is somewhere in the recesses of his mind, I doubt it is at the front of his mind. He didn’t say he was against it, he didn’t say he wanted out.

Plus the Reds still have another year before they have to figure out what to do with Alonso, so if it becomes clear that Votto doesn’t want to stay in Cincinnati, they can trade him in the offseason between 2011 and 2012, and probably get a nice haul back, since the recepiant would still have two cost controlled seasons of Votto, and the Reds have an excellent, cheap, in house replacement.

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 2, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

reading that post was a bit of a downer

so I’m going to ignore that until the playoffs are over. I don’t want to be worrying about contracts right now.

Obviously it would be terrible if we ever lose Votto to another team at some future date, but I wouldn’t mind (maybe I should say I could cope with) him getting the best deal for himself in some greener pasture. However, if he ever ends up with the Rockies or the Cardinals, his place on my list of favorite Canadians gets dropped quite a bit—maybe even behind James Doohan ;)

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a big deal

Votto is more concerned with the postseason right now that he is with his contract. I’m guessing that “I don’t know” was a good way to shut Fay down.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

So i'll be at the game tomorrow

Anyone else going? It’d be cool to say say to some fellow RR’s

"Fuck it, we'll do it live."

by DTFH91 on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Section 119, Row F, Seat 1

I’ll be there!

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you going there with a rich lawyer

and will he buy me beer?

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 2, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, just me. I think the attorneys are done taking us to games for the year. :-(

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anyone wants to meet up

we could meet in the Machine Room for a beer. hows about the top of the 4th inning?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Works for me!

I’ll wear a black Hawkeye hat, just to make me easy to identify.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll be there

it’s gonna be cold-ass cold, so i’ll probably be wearing my Reds toboggan.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bought a quilted Reds jacket just for opening day that I never wore because it was like 90 degrees

But I’ll be pulling it out for tomorrow! They are saying it will only be 57 tomorrow!

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read 52

either way, the drizzly rain isnt going to help.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 2, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It. was. FREEZING. today.

And the game lasted a bazillion hours. My advice to you all is to wear socks.

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking of TWO pairs of socks

with the horrifically expensive yet cuddly warm Jay Bruce socks that I bought in the pro shop during some sort of drunken splurge as the outside layer, of course.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did that on opening day of 2009. I think the highest it got was 38 degrees

I learned my lesson.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is definitely sock weather

I can’t imagine how the players delat with that.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They pitch a lot of full counts and hit HRs that need reviewing and throw over to first a lot.

I’m not sure why, but apparently they like the rainy cold and want to stay out in it as long as possible.

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know!

that game went what, 4 and a half hours?

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something like that.

But it was a win, and the last live baseball I’ll see this year. So I’m going to stop complaining effective now.

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true

a win, just too bad Homer couldn’t get it. Homer pitched a game against the Brewers earlier this year when it was a bit cool and drizzly back in May (that was the comeback win against Hoffman). Homer brings the rain and no decisions it seems, when he faces teh Brewers.

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

good work, by the way

how cool is it? like, exactly how cool is it to work in baseball? ‘cause im thinking it’s about 26 cool.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 3, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty cool

but, as you’d expect, it’s only somewhat like watching a baseball game because there is actual work involved.

As an example, one of my jobs is to let the truck know about player changes in the field and on deck. Well, yesterday I was looking some numbers up for Chris between innings. When I finally got them, I looked at the field and the Reds had replaced their entire roster except for 1B and 3B. Mass confusion ensued as I tried to clear up who was playing where. And it didn’t help that the scoreboard had the batting order wrong too. Madness.

But it’s totally fun. I hope I get to do it next year!

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since when!

Was this big news that I missed? Do you love it? I’m incredibly jealous. My dream job(s) is(are) to work in baseball (or football).

by jsl413 on Oct 3, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was not big news, but you do seem to have missed it

I’m doing the stats job for FSO this weekend. We’ll see if it goes beyond that. It’s pr’ cool.

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhh.

I thought this had been going on for a while and I just didn’t know. I haven’t been around as much lately, so I miss out on super neat news like this. Congrats, dude!

by jsl413 on Oct 3, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see the new Miley Cyrus Show skit on SNL last night?

It wasn’t particularly funny, but the new cast member is pr’cute. Important!

by Brendanukkah on Oct 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

your name was mentioned on air yesterday

you told Chris about the inordinatly high number of foul balls against Bailey.

Joey Votto is my MVP.

by justin007000 on Oct 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

you do realize that I can hear the broadcast, right?

cuz I’m kinda sitting right next to them.

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

section 423

I forget what row and seat numbers. I’ll be the fat guy with a beard in an old pullover jersey from the late 80s.

by Heeringa on Oct 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love being a dick to idiots on MLBTR forums...

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 2, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you love being a dick in general

Notice I didn’t say this was a bad thing.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Oct 2, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hurt.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 2, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit, he's what 17?

He’s probably never limp.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Oct 2, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

bazinga!

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

A+B=C incinnati victory

C I N C I N N A T I R E D S

by I75series on Oct 2, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Atlanta losing 2-0, Padres winning 4-1

Bobby Cox’s last stand is going as well as Custer’s.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I admit, I still don't know who I'd rather face at this point.

I think playing the Phillies and traveling on the west coast is a wash. The only benefit is going to be in the NLCS when the Phillies’ starters are (hopefully) fatigued.

by FordhamRam on Oct 2, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rooting for 3-way tie

For the drama. I still think beating SFG is an easier task than PHL. But if they play PHL I get to see a game, so I’m selfishly rooting for that.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phills up 5-0

It will be interesting to see how much they rest their top dogs. Hamels is supposed to start but will probably go less than a full outing.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking too much about this, and I think I'd rather they face the Giants.

They have good pitching too, but they don’t have a Halladay. Also, the series would require either a 4th starter or an ace to go on short rest. I don’t think Lincecum could/should go on short rest, and they don’t really have a great candidate to start the 4th game, so, advantage Reds. Also, their lineup is about 1/3 as scary as Philly’s.

The West coast thing kinda sucks, but with all the travel and rest days I’d hope that adjustment problems could be mitigated.

Finally, if they had to play a playoff game to get in on Monday, you assume they’d throw Lincecum (or Sanchez or Cain) but whomever they threw would be ruled out of the first game of the series. It’d be a win all the way around.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope this doesn't sound more snide than I intend

but in the playoffs, the Giants would have to come out east, also.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Oct 3, 2010 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Section 140

Row K i think

"Fuck it, we'll do it live."

by DTFH91 on Oct 2, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Error in your article/recap thingy

Bruces second homer was in the 5th, not the 6th. No runs were scored in the sixth.

R.I.P Cardinals

by OGC Reds on Oct 2, 2010 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHA

did anyone here see the ending to the LSU/Tennesee game? haha

R.I.P Cardinals

by OGC Reds on Oct 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I usually ignore SEC stuff, but they showed that ending during halftime of Iowa-Penn State

That was some kind of crazy!

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

SF lost

Still a chance to play them

"Fuck it, we'll do it live."

by DTFH91 on Oct 2, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Everything that could’ve happened in all of those unlikely scenerios is happening so far.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Oct 2, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some remind me of the playoff scenarios at this point

What happens if the Giants, Padres and Braves all finish with the same record? Do tie-break games have to be played, or are head-to-head records used as the tie-break?

by bdub7989 on Oct 2, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

it will all be head to head

division will be decided by one playoff game. the if the wildcard ends up tied, also another one playoff game

I'm not addicted to cocaine, I just like the smell of it - Richard Pryor

by Howie Feltersnatch on Oct 2, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

the more they beat each other up, the better.

by FordhamRam on Oct 2, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where I think it is dumb that they count the one game playoffs as regular season games.

For one, just consider the name – a one game what?

So if the 3 teams end with the same record, 2 will play for the division title. Afterwards, the loser of that game no longer has the same regular season record as the 3rd team, going for the wild card (in this case, Atlanta). They have the same number of wins and one more loss, for a lower win pct. Yet, it obviously wouldn’t be fair to just give it to the Braves by virtue of this fact.

by Gapper on Oct 2, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't

that one game playoff doesn’t count for wild card purposes. The loser would play in Atlanta one game for the WC.

by AB on Oct 2, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, just so I'm clear

if the Braves lose and the Padres win tomorrow then shit goes fucking haywire? A three way playoff, right?

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Oct 2, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it's if the Padres and Braves both win it's a three way tie.

This team wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for all the kipper-snacks.

by andromache on Oct 2, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Right now Pads and Braves are tied for the WC. So if one wins and the other loses, the loser is out. If the loser is the Pads, the Braves get the WC and play the Giants, and the Reds play the Phils.

If the loser is the Braves, they are out. The Giants/Pads then play a one game playoff to decide who wins the division and who has to face the Phils. Either way in this scenario the Reds don’t have to face the Phils.

If both the Braves and Pads lose, they are tied for the WC and play a 1 game playoff on Monday. (Giants would win the West)

Things go haywire if both the Braves and Pads win. Then there’s a 3 way tie at 91-71 (4 way tie if the Reds win too…..aren’t we glad we’re not bothered with all this?) First playoff game would be Giants/Pads for the division. Loser of that plays the Braves for the WC. Loser of that goes home. So, conceivably, the Giants could lose tomorrow, lose the 1 game playoff on Monday, then lose another 1 game playoff to the Braves and be out completely, whereas right now they’d have home-field advantage. Crazy, huh?

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 2, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying. I was too lazy to look it up.

Finally, if you will permit me, I'd like to make a comment which in my mind, is indicative, perhaps, of the greater significance of football and sports emphasis in general in this country, and that is, I thank God I was warring on the gridirons of the Midwest and not on the battlefields of Europe. Nile Kinnick, 1939

by Hawkeyegirl96 on Oct 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I so want a 3 way tie

that would be epic

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 2, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 way with onions tie?

"And a high fly ball to center field. He hit it a ton. And the 2010 National League Central Division Champs are the Cincinnati Reds!"

by joshuar9476 on Oct 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Padres and Giants tie, but the Braves don't

they do not play a tie-breaker. The Giants will get the division based on winning the season series with the Padres and the Padres will get the wild card.

Tie breakers are only played if the Braves are part of the tie.

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Close

But other way around…. Pads have more or less dominated the Giants head-to-head.

by Nasty N8 on Oct 3, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

misread the head-to-head. Was on the padres page and thought I was on the Giants page. Good catch.

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

NL three-way tie scenario

If the Padres and Braves both win, then all three teams have identical 91-71 records. Step one is determining the division champion. San Francisco would play at San Diego on Monday to decide that one. The loser then plays at Turner Field on Tuesday to decide the Wild Card.

I'm sure you all know me.

by Joe Public on Oct 2, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

And John Heyman is reporting that if there's a playoff game on Monday, Pads would start Chris Young and Giants would start Lincecum

so even if Giants get in they’ll have burned Lincecum and he wouldn’t be available until game 2 of the NLDS at the earliest.

see what I did there with uzr? it’s like a LOL cats saber-pun combo.--Verka Serduchka

by nycredsfan on Oct 2, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

So going back to a question I had yesterday...

As much control as the Phillies have over the situation, do they bring out the AAAA players and roll over so they potentially get to play a team that’s played 8 (SFG) or 16 (SDP) games straight or knock the Braves out, so they’ll know who they’re facing by Monday evening at the latest?

by Nasty N8 on Oct 2, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could ask Marvin Lewis.

He faced a similar paradox with the Jets at the end of last season.

by Gapper on Oct 2, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and failed

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 2, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm wondering

I think the Phillies’ pitching will actually be very good because their top relievers will need tuneups. Hamels won’t be pushed but should go close to a normal outing, I’d think (80 pitches?). Oswalt, Madson, and Lidge are all expected to go.

Offensively they might want to rest guys who are banged up (Rollins), but for the others there’s no need to rest them with two off days coming up.

by ken on Oct 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I like it.

But what does that mean for the rest of the rotation? Who’s the odd man out?

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

when was the last time a playoff team didnt have a solid hierarchy in the rotation?

the Yankees have CC and then a jumble, but at least they have an ace. we have 5 guys who are all on the same level. i certainly dont envy Dusty right now.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 3, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm skeptical right now

because Volquez is still unproven, but maybe not seeing the Phillies this year might help him. It coud hurt him too, but I’m going to be optimsitic (I do realize it might not be the Phillies)

by Red_Poodle on Oct 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Harang's last start as a Red...

You did good big fella…retire while you can still hold your head up.

"Ahhh! Yoda's little friend you seek!"
Yoda.

by Madville on Oct 2, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm flying back to DC tomorrow, due to land around 2pm.

I hope, when I turn my phone back on and check the score, that this team has staked Aaron to some run support. The universe owes him big time.

by the finest muffins on Oct 2, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

C I N C I N N A T I R E D S

by I75series on Oct 3, 2010 4:20 AM EDT reply actions  

well

that would require the WC and the Reds to win. So, we’ll root for that!

Good news is that they’ve already got home field advantage in the World Series.

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by Slyde on Oct 3, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

So.....

If Harang throws a perfecto today. Does he get into the playoff starter consideration?

R.I.P Cardinals

by OGC Reds on Oct 3, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

My question exactly.

"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."

by crolfer on Oct 3, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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