Y'all want a #1 prospect? How about Aroldis Chapman?
by nycredsfan on Jan 9, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Ken Rosenthal is tweeting and Rotoworld is repeating (and beauty is fleeting and the hot stove is heating) that the Reds are contenders for Cuban super-free agent pitcher Aroldis Chapman. The Blue Jays are thought to be the favorite (partly because of money freed by trading Scott Rolen, sigh), but the Reds are still in the thick of it.
So what would a Reds signing of Chapman mean? First, let's look at who this guy is.
Chapman is a 22 year old left-handed starting pitcher who recently defected from Cuba and set up residency in Andorra, allowing him to be signed now as an international free agent. ESPN's Jorge Arangure called him one of the three great pitchers in the world currently who aren't in the majors. So what does he bring to the table?
First, he is that rarest of breeds: a hard throwing, power pitching lefty (think Randy Johnson or Johan Santana). Chapman has a pitcher's body: He's listed at 6'4" with a lean, projectable body. His fastball sits at 93-96, but often jumps up to 98 and has touched 100. He has good control of his fastball which he couples with a wicked slider that ranges from 79-83 mph. The two pitches are thrown from the same arm angle, making them extremely difficult to differentiate. He also throws a curveball, but it is a very raw pitch that he doesn't control well. Chapman also has clean mechanics, easy velocity, and the potential to be a workhorse. So what's not to like?
In a word, risk. Chapman is extremely raw, lacking good command on anything but his fastball. Further, he often cannot locate any of his pitches. His curveball is thrown from a much different arm angle, making it highly ineffective at this point. He's still very much a thrower and not a pitcher, and is very inconsistent with both his velocity and command. At age 22, he has a lot to figure out relatively quickly. Despite the clean mechanics, the fact that he throws so hard makes him somewhat of an injury risk.
So what will it cost to sign him? Reports are that he has been offered over $20 million, and the bidding could go as high as $30 mil. It would undoubtedly be a major league contract, putting him on the 40 man roster and giving him a short time to make the majors. Chapman needs someone who can work with him, make his delivery more consistent, improve his command, and perhaps teach him an effective offspeed pitch. (Mario Soto anyone?) If all goes well, Chapman has legitimate #1 starter, even Cy Young potential. Or he could stall out in AAA.
So, RR nation, would you take him? What if it meant losing out on a first and second round pick in the draft because all the money was spent on Chapman? On the other hand, who wouldn't like a rotation in 2012 of Chapman, Cueto, Bailey, Volquez, and Leake?
What do you think?
Note: I am highly indebted to this site for much of the above information. If you are interested in the study of pitcher mechanics, specifically those of Chapman, go check it out.
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I don't even know what to say.
I’d be so excited, I’d probably need to change my pants.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Theres no way
The Reds can barley keep all the over paid pitcher they already have. But it was nice of you to type up this post. You’ll see him in blue sometime before February.
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i mean obviously i'd want him
but my knee-jerk “oh yeah, it’s the reds” doubt kicked in right away. if it comes down to money, we have no chance.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
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Also – Betcha didn’t know I had such sweet moves, did you?
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell man?
I make a video for your eyes only and you post it for everyone to see?
No more sexting for you, mister.
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
Where you from in the ATL.?
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
So what would a Reds signing of Chapman mean?
1. That the Reds really, really are trying to win
2. That the Reds are sending a message to the fan base that they are trying so please show up to the games
3. We are in a “Newhart” type dream and this opportunity really doesn’t exist
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ahhhh Bob Newhart
whatever happened to that guy? he was always one of my favorites.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
We print them out and use them as kindling to start the Burning Man style fire we'd all be dancing around
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
by jch24 on Jan 9, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
easy
we run an additional poll after the fact asking “where would you slot Chapman in the rankings?” and when we pick him as #1, everyone else is bumped down. no muss, no fuss.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
im not really that worried about the rankings
He would probably be the top prospect though.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 9, 2010 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There have been times in my life
when I fucked up so badly, all I could do was quote Jo-ey
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I dunno
The Jays reportedly bid $23 million. That’s a lot of money for a small market team. Especially for a player who is such a risk. (The Yankees reportedly aren’t interested, because they think he’d have to start in A-ball, and Chapman thinks he’s a big leaguer. Of course, being the Yankees, they could still swoop in and make a deal.)
It would be a bold move, but I think I’d pass. It might make sense for the Marlins, with the large Cuban population there, but for the Reds? Probably not.
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come to think of it...
…it’s probably stupid even for the Marlins.
The Rangers signed A-Rod to that record-setting deal because they wanted to build their Hispanic fan base on him. That turned out to be a disaster.
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THIS ISN"T ABOUT RACE!
This is about a BMF LHSP who throws 100 and made the WBC his own little playground.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Race still plays into it
Don’t believe for a second that he wouldn’t be marketed to the hispanic population heavily. If I’m Chapman though, I don’t want any part of cold weather having lived in Cuba my whole life.
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
Agree with you on the cold, but
Half our team is already hispanic. I could see where this could be used to tap into a Cuban market such as for the Marlins, but not in Cincy. For us this has nothing to do with race and everything to do with being BOLD.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Bold
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
For the Reds, I agree.
But BF has a point about the Marlins.
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
ummmm
i hope that’s a half-pack of lifesavers in your pocket…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
you never lived in cuba...that was Justin
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$30 million buys a lot of hand warmers and wool socks.
For that much money I’d pitch in the Siberian Winter League for the Tomsk Cats.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True but if 6 different people all offered you $30 million, wouldn't other factors such as weather come into play?
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
if I'm Chapman I want to live in an urban area where i can find fresh milk.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
Cuban cities don't have fresh milk
only radiated milk. It is a hardship.
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interesting - why did you live in Cuba?
I know you have probably gone over this here before but I do not know this.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
10 week study abroad at the University of Havana
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
do you need evidence?
A year ago I could actually link you to an article I wrote while I was in Cuba but ONU finally took it down.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I thought i put these in too.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
you are really good at photoshop sir
I mean, it looks like you’re really there!
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omg
Are you Chris Dickerson’s brother?
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why yes
and surprisingly enough I’m faster too.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
classic justin typo
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by Slyde on Jan 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but can you step on a base
without breaking your ankle?
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no
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
Cuban isn’t really a “race.”
However, I would bet that the Marlins, the cheapest team in MLB, would not be interested in Chapman if he were not Cuban.
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I agree with that, but I think it just is not coming into play with us.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
that's what I said
For the Marlins, they might be willing to take more of a risk because the guy might put more buns in the seats, maybe get them a media deal. For the Reds, probably not.
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Not to mention that his family could listen to the games
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
They could strap a couple of 55 gallon drums
to the sides of an Edsel and raft to the games.
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actually Cuba scrambles American radio stations
from time to time i could pick up something from the Keys, but not often.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
it is an ethnic group though
and race doesn’t really have a deffination.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
Is Cuba a deffination?
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That's actually kinda what I think too, despite his awesome stuff he'd be a HUGE risk. Although with the lack to top end starters in the org. they'd probably be willing to rush him a bit more
Money wise, I think they’d probably take the money from the intl. scouting (and maybe domestic scouting) budgets. It would probably mean no Juan Durans or Yormans for a lot of years, and maybe even that they’d have to draft over slot in a few drafts so that they’d get guys who’d sign cheap.
If Chapman works out that’d all be worth it, but damn, it’s a big risk.
i guess i would be ok with that
let’s say Chapman signs for 5 years, $25 mil. that’s $5 mil a year not spent on guys like Yorman and Duran, who received $4.5 mil combined. and i would hope that his entire $25 mil contract isnt paid out from the scouting budget, but from the big-league budget in the coming years. so no high-end Dominicans this year, and probably a safe-slot 1st rounder, but one high-end Cuban. i’ll take it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be pissed if they sign him.
It would be really exciting, and give us someone else to follow in the minors this year, but it’ll also make me really nervous.
Agreed. It would be fun to see the Reds make such a move,
however, the risk is substantial. Chapman’s already 22 (at least), so he’s a year older than most college first-rounders. He throws hard, but major league hitters can time anyone’s fastball. I haven’t seen any commentary on whether his fastball has much movement, either. If it does, great. If not, a lot of them could get deposited near the river.
Chapman is a two-pitch pitcher. Unless he develops a third pitch, he likely is a very expensive reliever. That’s where Mario Soto comes in. Scrap the curve and let Soto teach him a change. If he masters that, then we have something.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
ive always wondered where the "two-pitch-pitcher" plague came from
Harang throws basically two pitches. Volquez too. hell, Maddux really only had two pitches. i mean, i understand that a pitcher is much better off throwing more than two pitches, but i dont think it means that he is destined to be a “very expensive reliever”. and if Chapman’s fastball really is as dynamite as some say (who really knows at this point?) then a good change/breaking pitch is really all he needs.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. That's why I hedged it a little bit
with “likely” If he’s Harang, Volquez or Maddox, we’ll take him. Mariano Rivera is a one-pitch guy, but makes it work. Those aren’t common, though.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
i should really check FanGraphs for pitcher pitch-breakdowns
and see just how many successful pitchers out there are two-pitch guys. it just seems like i hear that mantra enough that i should question it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with that.
It would be interesting to see.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
so i checked FanGraphs
i looked at the 20 best pitchers according to WAR. i found 4 guys you could call “two-pitch pitchers”. Ubaldo Jimenez throws FB/SL/CH, but only threw the CH 11.5% of the time in ‘09. i was thinking 10% on the 3 pitch as the cut off, but that’s just my arbitrary decision.
so the other 3 guys are Josh Johnson, Joel Pinero, and Clay Kershaw. Johnson throws FB/SL and threw a CH 6.8% of the time, though it was still an effective pitch according to their pitch type value numbers. Pinero threw that anvil sinker 71% of the time, a SL 12.4% and a CB 9.8%. Kershaw threw his FB 71.7%, CB 17.1%, and a SL 7%.
for kicks i checked out Harang, Maddux, and Volquez. since ‘09 was not a normal year for any of these guys, here’s their career (back to ’02) numbers:
Volquez – FB 58.7%, CH 28.2%, CB 9.2%, SL 7%
Maddux – FB 69.2%, CH 23.2%
Harang – FB 68.4%, 20.6%, CH 6.1%
so i guess the conventional wisdom is pretty solid here. if you have one devastating pitch like Pinero’s sinker, Johnson’s/Jimenez’s gashouse fastball, Volquez’s change, or Maddux’s location, then you can make it work pretty well. i would hope Chapman’s fastball profiles as such, but even with that he needs at least an above average off-speed pitch to throw ~20% of the time.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I gotta hang with you more often, Charlie.
Anybody who make me appear as if I know what I’m talking about is all right by me.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
plus
anybody willing to look up the data on himself, and adjust as necessary is okay by me.
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no prob Turtle
but you dont need me to make you look good. Mads has been doing a damn fine job.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I would pass too
for the same reason I would pass on Strasburg, I can’t justify that kinda money for a guy who has never played at the Major Leage level. Prospects are supposed to be cheap productive talent, he isn’t, you get all the downsides of a prospect (learning curve, not making it, mental laspes, etc) and all the downsides of a veteran free agent, (large contract, on the hook for the contract even if he doesn’t perform is injured).
I don’t think it is wise for small market clubs to go after players like this, it isn’t very efficant.
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you truly have accepted the Reds position in the proletariat of baseball
no risk no reward
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
i would build the team with shrewd trades
and smart drafting, and development. Not with expensive prospects who may never be, Scott Rollen, and trading pitching for Scott Rolen.
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"Rolen's Reds" were pretty good last year
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
small sample size
the Reds were also pretty good in the first month. Really what made them good was Bailey coming through, Lehr suprisingly succeeding, Cueto returning to form, Arroyo pitching out of his mind, and Wells not shitting the bed everytime he pitched.
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Pitching looks a lot better
with good defense behind it.
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i think Stubbs, and Janish had a lot to do with that too.
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I think we are going to win the Rolen deal
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Stewart doesn't turn out it isn't the point
the Reds were the only team that wanted Rolen, and the Blue Jays wanted salary relief from Rolen and the Reds wanted to ship EdE out of town, so it should have been a one for one, but not only did the Reds do that, they outbid themselves with Zach Stewart.
I do wonder if the Blue Jays would have accpeted EdE for Rolen straight up, but the Reds wanted the Jays to send cash, so they Reds “sold” Stewart.
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EdE had negative value
and still does, buying out his second arbitration year was a mistake.
We overpaid, because we couldn’t take they’re salary relief.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
My first thought it - How?
How are the Reds still in?
1. Where’s the money – got to be international scouting + backloaded contract. Probably a 5 or 6 year deal.
2. How are we contenders? Well most of our team speaks Spanish, including our manager, catcher, and other 3 other potential All-Star pitchers.
3. This is a Bob move, he is trying to “Totally Redeem himself” since the Cordero contract!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions
I might forgive them for Taveras
if they make this happen. And, if it fails, I’ll have something new to complain about in a few years. It’s a win/win.
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by Pops Daniels on Jan 9, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
The Yankees
say they aren’t interested.
The Red Sox, on the other hand, are.
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I don't think the Reds will actually sign him
but, damnit people, it’s rare that the Reds are ever in on these conversations. Savor it. Savor. It.
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Nice idea
Chapman doesn’t sound Cubano to me, folks.
Has anybody asked him what he likes? You know … Philly steaks, Chicago-style pizza, Texas chili, Orwellian paint remover, Fritos … I’d offer him whatever we can afford and leave it at that. This guy is a project.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
Dolph Luque didn't sound Cuban either
and that one worked out alright
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Oh my God...
The Reds are still alive!
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It could just be post mortem muscle spasms
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I think
the group hug is probably our best course of action for the time being.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
did something happen to Volquez that I'm unaware of
that would keep him out of the Reds’ 2012 rotation?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
and some more perspective on Chapman
That really encapsulates the risk/reward nature of this guy. Also, I didn’t remember that it took the Unit so long to figure things out.
Could be Randy Johnson.
Of course, mechanics on that 6-10 frame had a lot to do with Johnson’s slow development.
Cuban players always are a risk in that they are relatively difficult to scout, age often is a question, adjusting to life in the U.S. can be a tremendous challenge, etc. With that said, several have panned out well. The names of hte highly touted trio of Rene Arocha, Ariel Prieto and Alay Soler, though, urge a fair measure of caution.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 9, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I remembered
If only because they always mentioned it in his games – how hard it was for him to learn to control that tall body of his.
I think the Yankees have become a lot less enthusiastic about developing their own pitching. That was Cashman’s plan at first, but developing even the best prospects is a slow and difficult process. As their experience with Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, and Joba Chamberlain showed. Probably makes sense for them to let someone else see if Chapman’s the real deal, then put a bid on him if he succeeds. It will cost them more, but they have money.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
if he is to be the second coming;
then some adults will sign him to a sensible deal.
If he is to never “throw” a pitch higher than AA; we will pay him 30M.
I am a true reds fan.
rotation
I would guess that the projected starting rotation for the Reds in January 2008 did not include Volquez or Cueto, so what do I know? On the other hand, if the downside to this guy is so obvious, it’s wondering why we bother discussing it.
January and 10 inches of new snow might factor into the answer.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
MLB Trade Rumors
is reporting the Red Sox are also losing interest in Chapman. Too pricey.
According to Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com, the Red Sox are “starting to pull back” from their pursuit of Aroldis Chapman. Boston was one of the first clubs to offer a contract to the Cuban left-hander, worth a reported $15.5MM and made before Chapman switched agents from Edwin Mejia to the Hendricks brothers. Now that the bidding has now reportedly passed the $20MM mark, however, the Sox aren’t willing to spend that much on “someone they believe has a lot of question marks.”
They think it’s between the Jays and the Halos.
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typical Boston
I’m sure they’ll start bashing his “make-up” or something just because he didn’t accept they’re offer.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 9, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
We gonna have a Bengals-Jets playoff thread?
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Why not put this money toward Webb?
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unreleated
but i went to Milwuakee on Wednesday, and I drove by the South Milwaukee exit on the free way.
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Why wouldnt you be excited about this? Wouldnt this guy be as much of a risk with probably more of a reward than most 1st or second round draft picks. Hell Yeah Reds! Spend some money!
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
True, BUT
First round draft picks don’t cost $25 million
by nycredsfan on Jan 9, 2010 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Load it up on the incentives
$20 million is a bit stiff price to pay for a yet to be proven in the majors. If he is worth that much, I’d say load it up on the incentive bonuses. $5 million if he makes the cut, another $5 if he has 30 starts or more, another $5 if his ERA is among the top 5 starting pitchers and another $2 if he makes the All star line up and another $3 if the Reds make the playoffs. That’s $20 million. If the Reds make the playoffs, then I think it is well worth paying that price and if he is that key.
But
if the Jays are offering $23 million without incentives, why would he take a lesser contract with the Reds?
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Well guys (3/Spades and Richard) - I must agree with BF - why would he take less money?
The only reason (and it is a weak one) I can think of that could entice his kid to go with the Reds would be if they promise him the #5 job – his to lose kind of thing. And even then he’d prolly require a ton of $$$ up front. He’s an exciting young player…he’s still a suspect err prospect… and unless your crystal ball is better than mine – Gawd only Nose if the risk is worth it. I sincerely doubt it…cause right now this team needs a SS who can hit and play great D or spend some of that money on Gomes – at least you know what your getting with Jonny.
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Get Yonder involved
Have Yonder call him and tell him how he took a chance with the Reds organization, and they’ve surpassed every one of his wildest expectations so far. From one Cuban defector to another. Have him go over all of the great history of Latin American players to go through here, like Davey and Rijo, and especially Tony Perez, who was born in Cuba and became a Hall of Famer with the Reds.
This probably won’t work, but without the money, it’s our best shot.
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1911, actually
Rafael Almeida and Armando Marsans were the first
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Good stuff
We’re pioneers! Get it done, Walt!
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
RR should be contracted to reel this guy in...BK and Daedalus are right on the money..
Plus Justin speaks Cuban.
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si senor
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
HOLY SHIT
Can’t link (phone) but MLB trade rumors is saying Chapman has agreed to $30 mil deal with an NL team (blue jays, red sox, and angels were supposed to be the favorite)
methinks it’s the Marlins OR REDS
by nycredsfan on Jan 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JUST SAW THAT TWEET from Passan
http://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/7598662943
unfuckingbelievable if its the Reds, even if its not them……..It’s really fun that they were involved in the bidding
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is
No fucking way it’s us.
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notice the commenters
REDS REDS REDS!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
A link:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/aroldis-chapman-agrees-to-30mm-deal.html
It’s only the second post from that twitter account, although Passan’s message says he’s leaving the Fort Lauderdale airport, which would almost certainly rule out the Marlins. I’d be absolutely shocked if the Reds are the team making this deal, but it’s not completely inconceivable on a largely backloaded deal. They surprised us when they signed Yorman and Duran, and maybe they’ll do it again. It is a Jocko-esque move.
and another baby was made
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, this is on it's way to green
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
really?
so we’re giving out greens for any jch makes babies comments now?
How long have I been gone?
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i don't know
there is an imaginative component to this one.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I liked this one
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I figured those jokes would be retired with the new year :)
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
does that mean
we can go back to Brendan’s mom jokes? ;-)
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MLB trade rumors
says the Nats are the favorites.
I guess they must have a lot of spare cash, now that their Dominican Republic program has been shut down.
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why aren't Hal or Fay on this?
well I guess Hal just writes about memories and Fay is on jury duty.
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Fay on jury duty Hal is retired
Sheldon is our only hope
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Washington signs the Kid
no way Cincy ponies up $30 mil.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Washington did just pay a boatload on Strasburg too
If you’re gonna commit a ton of money to pitching prospects, those are the guys to get, but that’s a LOT of money between two maybes.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hal's not a beat writer anymore, I'm not gonna hold him responsible
But Fay and Sheldon should absolutely be on this.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
i'm not mad at Hal
just figured he’d put a passing comment in his blog about it.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dave Brown from Yahoo is saying that it is the real Jeff Passan
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The REds have a Travis Chapman who plays 3B in the organization
maybe he contacted Aroldis and told him how well the Reds treat Chapmans.
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Yeah, they definitely don't
They have a Stephen Chapman who is an outfielder though
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Mark David Chapman shot the wrong person outside a NY apartment building
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
i miss the cheesebuger threads
a LOT more entertaining that The Name Game replies….
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Gotcha
He was on that ’05 Sarasota team. Those guys were sick!
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, they kind of were.
Travis Chapman played on the same team as Justin’s brother Chris, and one Joseph Daniel Votto as well.
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Whether I want them to or not, there go my hopes
Getting them up.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Passan now says it's an NL Central team.
"Narrowed it down: It’s an NL Central team. Cincinnati making more and more sense. Reds “going after him like crazy,” team source said."
LOOK=
RT: @JeffPassan: Non-stop Delta flight left FLL for Cincinnati at 9:20 this morning. Another source said $30 million deal is for five years.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Cub's don't have the money
and the Brewers where never on the table.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
A big TY to Scott Rolen
for freeing up some cash this year.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
NO WAY
“Non-stop Delta flight left FLL for Cincinnati at 9:20 this morning. Another source said $30 million deal is for five years.”
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I can’t believe it.
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he'd probably fly directly to wherever he is going, he is going to sign a $30M contract
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
does that mean our Delta hub helped land him?
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
The New York Mets are an intriguing possibility as well, fulfilling Chapman’s desire to play in a big city.
Splashing out that kind of cash would put paid to the “Mets are going broke” theory.
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Not yet
Not confirmed yet.
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
WHERE THE FUCK IS FAY?
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Slyde's basement
putting the lotion in the basket
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 10, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
where's C Trent?
maybe he lost a bet to tHan on GA/UK and is incommunicado for 24 hours
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And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that
there was a non-stop flight this morning from Fort Lauderdale to any NL central city. Except maybe Milwaukee.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I get that
but I assumed Passan was offering it as “proof” that he could have flown to Cincinnati, not saying that he was on that flight.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I think Passan was just pointing out the direct flight
not that Chapman was on it.
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midwest airlines has a hub in Milwaukee
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Midwest Airlines flies non-stop daily from FLL to Milwaukee.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
i love midwest Airlines
their cookies are the greatest.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
they put them in the over after you reach 10,000 feet
and the whole cabin smells like Chocolate chip cookies, and they give you two cookies. I was pissed though, the last flight I flew on them the flight attendant fucked up, dropped the cookies, so no cookies for anyone.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
While we wait
Did anyone see that the M’s traded Bill Hall to the Sawx for Kotchman?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
@JeffPassan Narrowed it down: It’s an NL Central team. Cincinnati making more and more sense. Reds “going after him like crazy,” team source said.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions
R U FUCKING SERIOUS
NL Central, it better be us or we may not like this deal at all.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
you know fuck it
i’m going to be excited, kind of like how i was excited when Milton was “seeing Red”.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
i dont get it
a LHP that touches 100mph? i’d sure as shit take my chances…
its not like the kid is Sydd Finch.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
also $30M for a guy who has never pitched at the big leage level
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't have paid for Strasburg either
If i were making decisions for the Nationals.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
also he isn't Matt Maloney
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure this is a good idea
But it’s exciting anyway.
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thank you for articulating my thoughts
and I want the Reds to win something, even if it is over paying a prospect.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
As I said on Twitter
I’m already trying to figure out how the Reds are going to use this move against the fans in 2012. Such is my small market cynicism.
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they sure aren't playing fooball
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
except Volquez will have labrum surgery and never be the same
Bailey will have Tommy John in April of that year, and Cueto will be recovering from his June 2010 TJS, and Leake will be delayed.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Now you're contradicting yourself
You said the other day those three would be in NY, Chicago and LA.
Starring Matt Maloney as "Tom Glavine"
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i dont think he's even Mike Stanton
keep on going lower down the list. Leibrandt?
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Avery was a power pitcher before he got hurt
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't Chapman be Glavine?
Except that he throws 10 mph faster?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
I would bet that if it is 5yr/$30M
he’ll probably make like $1M this year, so they’ll feel comfy sticking him in AAA until he’s ready. But then, he’s averaging $7M+ a year after that. That’s kinda scary.
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devil's advocate
im ok with sinking $7mil on a power arm prospect. the reds have shown the ability to finish in 4th-5th-6th place without him. i like the chutzpah and assertiveness, IF the signing turns out to be accurate.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
For those that like this stuff
Chapman’s Pitch FX from the WBC.
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Very encouraging
Pulled in the third inning, after 50 chucks, Chapman yielded three walks, three hits and three earned runs. His nasty stuff only got him one strikeout.
Make it happen cap'n!!
Haven’t been this excited since the Griffey signing!!
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by RedinWrigleyville on Jan 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Holy poop
I guess Walt just went All-In on this one. If this backfires, it’ll be the 3rd straight big-time fail signing, following Griffey and Dustbag.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions
I kind of mis-spoke
I was referring to big-name signings, and methinks that doesn’t qualify Milty.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
you also forgot about Corderro
who did exactly what the Reds wanted him to do.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
can we have a new thread for this?
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cock-ass
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
How long is a flight from Fort Lauderdale to Cincy?
Do I have enough time to go out and get lunch before the big announcement?
2 hours give or take
you can go to Delta.com and type in fll and cvg.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
If he were on the 9:20 flight
He would have reached Cincy a while ago.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Was anyone detained for trying to bring a flamethrower on the plane?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
but the way Delta works his bags are still on the way.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
worst part is they don't even refund your baggage fees if your bags are late
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
actually Cincinnati isn't that far from the city
you live in DC, you know how far Dulles is from DC. Shanghai’s airport is 20 or 30 miles from the city center, Toyko’s is the same deal.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Reagan National is right across the river, skippy.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
did i mention Reagan?
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Just saying that DC has an airport that conveniently located to the city
On two Metro lines and everything.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
i got a great deal on a ticket to Dulles once
the commute to the city was terrible.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno if you've read The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown
But one of the most implausible things I read in it was a limo getting from Dulles to the Library of Congress in 30 minutes.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
because no one wants to pay for a metro line to the airport. you can take a bus, or you can pay $50 for a cab. ridiculous. but if you fly international, that’s usually where you go.
united had a deal on flights from DAY to IAD
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i connected in Reagan once
it was awesome.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not faster than a Chapman heater.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
from mlbtraderumors.com
12:58pm: MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro tweets that it’s “definitely” not the Marlins signing Chapman. He hears that it’s the Reds.
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we have beat writers?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
that is a damned good idea
i call Slyde.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
we beat writers to the scoop, apparently.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 10, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sunday
I think they usually take the day off.
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the other teams' writers
Don’t take Sunday off.
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same thing the batters will be saying
when they get busted up an in with his 100 MPH fastball and then he throws his splitter low and away.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
New thread
http://www.redreporter.com/2010/1/10/1244043/aroldis-chapman-agrees-to-deal
Wanted to send out the bat signal to people who just check the old RSS feed.
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Wow...I mean, really, WOW!!!!!!!!!!
Funny thing about this whole deal is, I sent an email out about 3 weeks ago saying the Reds need to do something, just something to get us to want to come to the ballpark. This guy is the real deal, apparently. If the Yankees and Red Sox were interested, you gotta like that right? My plan I sent to the Reds was to free up money and go after Chapman and possibly frre up more money by trading dead weight like (Tavares, Lincoln, Hernandez and Harang) and go after Joe Mauer. After you let Arroyo go, grab Hanley Ramirez and low and behold you have a World Series quality team year in and year out. Thanks for listening to me Reds management, you’re finally getting it!!!! Opening Day, here I come!!!!!
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