Reds likely to sign Orlando Cabrera
While Slyde's out living the dream, we here at Red Reporter have serious issues to contend with.
Word 'round the campfire is that Orlando Cabrera is very close to signing a deal with the Reds. Let's take a look at his recent numbers and some projections, courtesy of FanGraphs:
Offense
| Year | Age | Team | PA | %K | %BB | %LD | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | wOBA | wRAA | wRAR |
| 2007 | 32.7 | LAA | 701 | 9% | 6% | 18% | 0.319 | 0.301 | 0.344 | 0.397 | 0.096 | 0.339 | 1.7 | 25.8 |
| 2008 | 33.7 | CHA | 730 | 10% | 8% | 21% | 0.301 | 0.281 | 0.333 | 0.371 | 0.089 | 0.315 | -11.2 | 13.0 |
| 2009 | 34.7 | OAK/MIN | 708 | 10% | 5% | 19% | 0.302 | 0.284 | 0.314 | 0.389 | 0.105 | 0.316 | -11.2 | 12.1 |
| 2010 | 35.7 | CHONE | 631 | 10% | 7% | --- | 0.299 | 0.275 | 0.326 | 0.374 | 0.099 | 0.319 | -8.1 | 10.8 |
| 2010 | 35.7 | Marcel | 627 | 11% | 7% | --- | 0.297 | 0.276 | 0.321 | 0.381 | 0.105 | 0.318 | -8.6 | 10.2 |
| 2010 | 35.7 | Fans(33) | 615 | 11% | 6% | --- | 0.305 | 0.282 | 0.325 | 0.377 | 0.095 | 0.316 | -9.9 | 8.6 |
Cabrera's most recent season as a league-average hitter came in 2007 on a fine Angels team. That offseason, however, he was traded for Jon Garland, and he hasn't really produced offensively since. He's a good contact guy, but he's never had a ton of power nor much inclination to take a walk (career walk rate = 6.5%, career OBP = 0.322). He has occasionally flashed modest power for a middle-infielder, but the last time he topped 10 HR was 2004, and the last time he topped 0.400 SLG was 2006 despite the relatively high batting average. His speed game might be starting to slow as well: he averaged 21 SB & 4 CS per season from 2001-2008, but was just 13-4 last year.
The three projections I'm listing here put him right about a +10 RAR offensive player next season. That's largely based on durability--Cabrera hasn't posted less than 600 PA since 2005! Fans project him at 88% playing time, which is very impressive. If he starts to lose playing time due to ineffectiveness, however, he starts to fall down into the +5 RAR area offensively...
Fielding
Of course, his calling card has never been his offense: Cabrera has made his money by being adequate with the stick while flashing a fine glove. He just turned 35, however, and is at a point when players often do slip defensively. His projection isn't that bad: Zimmerman's UZR projections put him at +1 runs, TotalZone puts him at -15 runs (more on that in a sec), and the Fans Scouting Report put him at -5 runs. Averaging all three, as I did with Tejada, puts him at -6 runs per season next year.
As ken pointed out with Tejada, this might be a conservative way of making a fielding projection for an older player. You should never focus too much on a single year of fielding data, but Cabrera posted a career low -14 UZR last season and a career-worst -17 runs by TotalZone. TZ seems to factor this more recent year in more heavily in its projection. And the Fans Scouting Report, which, despite my infatuation with it, does tend to give aging, former plus-defenders a pass for too long...even they rated him as a -5 run per season defender. I think the reasonable thing to do is project him as somewhere between a -5 to -10 run fielder at SS per season (at 88% playing time, that makes him down to a 4-9 run fielder).
Below the jump, we arrive at a projected value for Cabrera and compare him to Paul Janish.
Projected Value of Cabrera in 2010
Summing it all up, assuming 88% playing time:
Offense: -9 runs
Fielding: -4 to -9 runs
Position: +7.5 runs * 88% = +7 runs
Replacement: +22.5 runs (based on context-neutral offensive projections) * 88% = +20
Total: +9 to +14 runs, or ~+1 to +1.5 Wins Above Replacement
Based on $3.5 M per WAR contracts, that puts his value somewhere around $3.5 M to $5.3 M per season...again, that's assuming 88% playing time, which is optimistic for a below-average player despite his history of durability. I'll be interested to see where the Reds offer came in.
Update: Tim Brown of Yahoo reports it's a $3 M/1 yr contract, with an option. That's at the bottom end of the range I'm calculating. My immediate reaction? Probably means that the rest of baseball thinks his 2009 fielding numbers were for real. That's not good--I'd hoped he'd sign for something closer to $6 M.
Update 2/2/2010: Mark Sheldan reports that his salary is actually $2.02 M in 2010, with a $4M mutual option ($1 M club buyout, $500K player "buyout"). That means the Reds commit only $3 M, assuming they buy Cabrera out of 2011. Again, in a way, that's good for the Reds as he's cheap. In another way, it means that the rest of MLB think that Cabrera has significantly reduced range.
But what about Paul Janish?
...The big question in my mind, of course, is whether Cabrera is an upgrade over the guy the Reds already had penciled into the starting role, Paul Janish. Here's the projection on Janish:
Playing time: Fans project 508 PA's, which is 73% playing time. All numbers below reflect that PT estimate:
Offense: [-16 (CHONE) + -15 (Marcel) + -21 (Fans) ] / 3 = -17 runs
Fielding*: [+9 (fans) + 4 (TZ) ] / 2 = + 7 runs
Position: +7.5 runs * 73% = +6 runs
Replacement: +20 runs * 73% = 15 runs
Total: +11 runs, ~+1 WAR
* I'm ignoring UZR projections because they are based on such a small sample and thus are heavily regressed, but fwiw they rate him at +6 runs per season. TZ numbers include minor league data, while Fans data are scouting data and therefore are not as volatile as other fielding data.
Basically, it comes down to how good you think Cabrera's glove is. If he's still a -5 run fielder, this is a slight upgrade for the Reds, mostly because of Cabrera's demonstrated durability. If he's a -10 fielder--and he might be--it's a wash...or worse, should he start to lose playing time.
Nevermind :)
Update (2/1/10):I realized that I forgot to address the issue of draft pick compensation for the Cabrera signing. Cabrera is aclass-A free agentaccording to the Elias rankings. If the Reds had been good last year, this would mean they'd have to give up their first round pick in exchange for signing him. As it is, however, with the Reds picking in the first 15 this June, they only have to give up a second-around selection. After accounting for the signing bonus, this is worth ~$0.8 million, according toVictor Wang's workthis past summer. That's only about 0.25 WAR in value, so it's not a big deal...but given that Cabrera is being paid as a 1 WAR player (the equivalent of Janish's projectable value), it's another knock against this signing.
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You make this seem less bad. Still not good, but I can live with it. As always, the contract will color my view of this. I would be stunned if he makes more than $3 million this year. The paralyzing fear is that the Reds are the frontrunner because they’re willing to toss in a second year. That be foolishness beyond reckoning.
if they gave him a multi-year deal
They’re idiots.
I would guess the Reds are the frontrunner because they’re willing to give him a job as a starting SS. The other teams either wanted him to be a backup, or to move to 2B.
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That's my hope
Like, “I see that telephone pole coming at me, so I hope only one of my legs gets broken in the crash, and not both of them.”
by Brendanukkah on Jan 30, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was in a head-on collision once
It was pretty sweet, except when it snapped my kneecap in half.
Is this deal going to be anything like that?
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ugh

I just don’t see the point of paying for a slight upgrade (or possibly a downgrade).
I’d really like them to see what they have in Janish. What do they have to lose?
I can see wanting a backup plan, in case Janish is injured or just can’t cut it. (Miguel Cairo is best is small doses.) But you know if Cabrera picked the Reds, it’s because they promised him he’s be the starting SS.
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I wouldn't like this deal if it made me pancakes for lunch
And I love to eat pancakes for lunch.
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by Excalib8 on Jan 30, 2010 10:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yummmm
pizza for breakfast is good.
by the finest muffins on Jan 30, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
The only good thing about this deal
is that Cabrera is an upgrade over Janish offensively. Cabrera hitting in the No. 2 spot is much better than Janish there, and you know SS bats second in Dusty-land.
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by cesarhernandez on Jan 30, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions
he might not be that much better than Janish
Janish’s OBP was .296, Cabrera was .314. But Janish had a BABIP of .236 and a much better walk rate, so I’d bet good money that Janish can put up a better OBP this year than Cabrera. Cabrera probaby has an edge on slugging, but Janish’s defense more than makes up for that.
This is, like justin said, a wash at best, but possibly a downgrade too.
I’m calling 1yr/$2mil with a player option for 3 mil for 2011
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm not crazy about this potential signing either...
I’d like to see what Janish could do next year as a starter. But what if you take the comparison a step further. If Cabrera’s signed, Janish is a backup infielder. Cabrera may not be > Janish, but Cabrera + Janish > Janish + Rosales, no? Or not?
by the finest muffins on Jan 30, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Rosales's bat has been pretty clutch in the Mexican league the past few months
I know a translation from a third world country’s league can be lost at best, but at least he’s putting in the work to be that backup infielder.
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^^I think this is a good point
Though Drew Sutton is another alternative to Rosales for a reserve role. I don’t think the Reds see Rosales as an acceptable SS, even as a backup.
-j
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Sutton really isn't either, though
Now we’ve got Janish and (ostensibly) Cairo as our backup SSs. Not bad, though I do want to give Janish a better chance. From his history, it looks like Cabrera just doesn’t take a break. Janish deserves to start more than never.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 30, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's going to be the invisible man again
On the bright side, he may get another shot at improving his ERA.
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The fan in me wants Janish to get a shot too
I have to say I was surprised to come to a 1 WAR projection for him. It’s all fielding, but I honestly didn’t think he’d be over replacement level. If you give him as much playing time as I’m giving Cabrera in the projections, he’s a 1.2 WAR player. Gap closes even more.
I don’t think he could get that PT, as he doesn’t have the track record for Dusty (or any manager) to hang with him during a slump like they might with Cabrera. But they’re very close in per-game projectable performance.
-j
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I agree with that too. Janish is a black hole in the offense, but Cabrera may end up representing a black hole with the defense
Man, I was spolied. 15 years of Davey followed by 15 years of Barry. I never knew a league average SS was so hard to find.
I don't think so
I noticed this even before JinAz posted this: Cabrera is very durable. He rarely misses a game.
The problem with A-Gon was that he was injured all the time. And I suppose we could have guessed, because he’s rarely played a full season. I’d assumed it was because he was sharing the job with another player, but after seeing him with the Reds…I’m thinking he was probably injured.
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Yeah, I was checking out his BB-Ref page
He hasn’t played any fewer than 142 games since something like 2003, and he typically plays at least 160. So cross your fingers and hope for good things.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 30, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
That, frankly, is a HUGE part of his value.
And given the Reds’ issues with getting someone to play every day, I think that sort of value is understandable.
…that said, the Reds have a large enough list of alternates this year for SS that it may be that Cabrera’s durability isn’t leveraged as well with the 2010 teams as it might have been on some past Reds teams.
-j
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I want this deal to happen about as much as I want the Damon rumor to happen.
aka, I want neither of these to happen.
I’d rather shave my entire body with a straight razor and then jump into a swimming pool filled with rubbing alcohol than have either of these gents become a Red.
If these players were good, I'd have no problem with it
This just seems like more Virus-esque signings
Why spend $3MM on Cabrera when we get similar production for pennies on the dollar from Janish?
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 31, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
No offense, but are you a Castellini?
Why do you care about how much money he spends on one year contracts. As a fan, the only that concerns me is how it affects this year on the field or will affect next year’s budget. 3 million of some other guy’s money for this year and maybe next doesn’t ruin the budget and only helps the team on the field (if only, very slightly).
I am not a Castellini
I’m just concerned about pissing money away on crappy players.
by Highlifeman21 on Feb 5, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
@tbrownYahoo is tweeting the deal is done
RT @TBrownYahoo: Cabrera agrees to 1-year deal with Reds. 3 mil. Second-year option for another 3 mil.
Three million?
Good lord.
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Jesus
$3 mil was the high end of what I was willing to give him. That option better be a team option. And they’d better not exercise it. Our left side of the infield just got real old, real fast.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 30, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
my sources indicate that your sources have this ongoing:

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Considering what Jinaz projected
$3 million isn’t a bad price…..and you knew they would give at least an option on a second year.
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by cesarhernandez on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully it's a team option.
$3 M seems fair, even if it’s a fairly negligible upgrade. I’d rather have had Tejada for $7 M, but I don’t own the purse.
-j
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...it also probably means that the rest of baseball thinks his 2009 fielding struggles were for real
…And that’s not very reassuring. I was honestly hoping he’d sign for $5-6 M, as that would speak more to his glove.
-j
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A SS older than Cabrera...
…signficantly improved his defense last year. That’s just one example. It’s good to know that it’s a possibility though.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 31, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I know that's what the stats say
Some stats, anyway. But to my eye, Jeter didn’t look better last year. In fact, he looked worse. I really wonder how much longer he’ll be able to play SS.
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Again, you can't read too much into one year's fielding stats
One year of fielding stats is worth ~1/2 year of hitting stats. Not irrelevant, but you have to mentally regress any changes you see substantially.
Fans Scouting Report rated Jeter as dead-on average at shortstop in 2009. In 2008, they rated him slightly below average. Fans could be influenced by his bump in fielding stats, of course. Or, they could honestly think he improved, albeit slightly.
-j
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Im glad its not 2 years guaranteed
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by cesarhernandez on Jan 30, 2010 11:33 PM EST reply actions
The money is irrelevant
It’s not as if spending 3 mil on him prevents us from making another signing; this was our last pickup either way. The best thing about this signing is it provides depth and prevents rosales from being our first option after an injury. It’s a great signing.
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by RedinWrigleyville on Jan 30, 2010 11:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It's not irrelevant
if it takes enough out of the payroll that we’re forced to get rid of a contract to accomodate him (Harang/Arroyo comes to mind). Then this is even worse.
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They have to drop something
And those two are in the last year of their contracts. Who else would they drop?
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by BK on Jan 31, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Reportedly we're picking up Gomes too
On a minor league deal. Which would be a very smart signing. Counterbalances this one, I guess. Here’s hoping that Cabrera plays out of his mind.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 30, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
outfield help
Well the Cubs beat the Reds to the punch on Nady who could have really helped the offense. I thought of Ryan Church as a dependable p/t player but the lowly Pirates snaged him-even with Rocco Baldelli’s health issues, he can play part time, hit and field well and is still under 30. Damon probably wants more than he is worth at this stage of his career but a 1 year deal at $5-6 mil is better than not playing at all! He’s been on winning teams and can bring that to the clubhouse. Cabrera will be at least as good as Alex was while the young kids develop. Fans want a team that is at least trying to compete. I’d even look at K. Gregg for mid inning relief if he will sign cheap enough.
Hank Blalock??
Sure, he’s been hurt a lot but he’s 29 and has power. Can play 1B/3B and give you a good fill in option when Rolen is aching or Votto need a day off. Certainly better than Encarnacion and worth a cheap look see….
End the madness
Every promising season and team since 1990 has been ruined by injuries and poor coaching. The talent has been there to win almost every season since 1990. Instead of spending $3 million on a washed up, never good middle infielder, spend $3 million on an excellent trainer who can keep the players healthy, and a great coaching staff to get this team to win. Only reason some of these players like Homer, Jay, Cueto haven’t excelled quicker is because these coaches suck. I look at this team and see no difference between the Reds and the Cubs, in terms of talent.
by Jack Armstrong started an All Star Game on Jan 31, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions
"I look at this team and see no difference between the Reds and the Cubs, in terms of talent."
forgive me if this doesnt inspire much confidence. the Cubs look pretty shabby.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 31, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The cubs will be lucky to finish 4th.
You heard it here first.
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If you're going to sign an SS, Cabrera seemed to be the worst choice.
Given what was on the market they probably should have just gone with Janish and played around with those minor leaguers that we’re so optimistic about… At least Cabrera fits into the no-walk mold of Dusty’s favorite 1-2 hitters.
Updated the original article
I neglected to mention the fact that Cabrera is a class-A free agent, which means that the Reds must compensate MIN for signing him. Fortunately, because the Reds pick in the first 15, it won’t affect their first pick, which means this compensation has minimal expected impact on the team.
-j
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he doesnt cost a draft pick
i thought i remembered hearing that earlier this year, but i had to search through the trade rumor archives to find it. when he signed with the A’s last year his contract stipulated that he could not be offered arbitration.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 1, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh....good point
Whoops! :)
And GOOD!
-j
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Another minor update to original post
Per Sheldon: Updated Cabrera #s from AP. Gets $2.02 million in ’10. Mutual option worth $4M. $500K buyout if he declines, $1 million if club declines
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