What can we expect from Dusty Baker?
Slyde leaves and all the good posts suddenly dry up. If you're tired of reading a slow-loading thread about whether or not God exists, then let's talk about something really important. Will Dusty Baker screw up the Reds this year?
This is, of course, Dusty's final year under contract. He was brought in to win, but has yet to achieve a winning record. His team this season will again be light on offensive production, but it will have several talented youngsters that got significant playing time in the last few seasons. It will have a veteran, Gold Glove third baseman. The pitching should be some of the best the Reds have had this decade. Dusty's in a position to succeed, but is by no means assured of doing so. Any manager would be hard-pressed to be assured of a winning season with the roster the Reds will have. It could be good, but it's by no means automatically so.
Dusty likely has to win this season. Let's not forget that Walt Jocketty was not the GM when Dusty was hired. Jocketty hasn't seemed tempted to bring in his own manager to this point, but if the Reds endure a third straight losing season under their expensive manager, Walt can be forgiven for changing course.
With this added pressure, do you believe Dusty will manage his team differently? Or are you in the pessimistic camp that expects Dusty to make Dusty moves despite better alternatives? For instance, Drew Stubbs played well in center field last season, but will Dusty be tempted to play Willy Taveras in center instead? Willy is largely seen as one of Dusty's guys, and is, like Baker, owed $4 million this season. The Reds haven't brought in any "Dusty guys" this offseason, and many who were brought in in previous seasons (Corey Patterson, Jerry Hairston) are now gone. What are the chances that despite Taveras's dreadful season, he gets meaningful playing time in 2010?
And if Drew Stubbs does play, will he lead off? Should he lead off? He only posted a .323 OBP in the majors. He may or may not be the best option, but what about the #2 hitter? Dusty has time and again used his center fielder to lead off and shortstop to bat second, no matter who is playing there. It increasingly looks like the Reds will be going with Paul Janish at short, he of the career .290 OBP. Will the pressure to win or lose his job force Dusty to drop Janish in the order?
So what do you expect from Dusty? Will he alter his managerial style? Will he claim he wasn't given the resources to win (and is he right about that?)? Is the roster sufficiently Dusty-proof? Our hopes for a winning season may rely on this man's decision-making.
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Dusty
I didn’t contribute to the God thing, since I am indifferent to whether there is a god. On Dusty … he can’t win. He doesn’t have the tools yet. So he’s likely to be shoved upstairs by the middle of June. We need to be careful what we wish for, though.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
He'll still bat Janish second ... religiously.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 3, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
hey
keep the religion talk in the other thread ;)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Let me begin the discussion with the old adage - You teach an old Dusty new tricks
Dusty is a good guy, he was great a player and is an interesting person…that said he is only able to produce a winner when the stars are aligned just so…
He will continue to lead off with the CF, if Stubbs doesn’t get off to a good start the we will definitely see Wily.
Jannish will be the SS (with Rosales in the wings) and bat second – This is pathological behavior.
Votto at 1st bats 3rd
BP at 2B – Cleanup
Rolen at 3B in the 5 hole
Bruce RF #6
Hernandez C -7
Dickerson LF -8
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He could switch it up moving Wlad into the 7th spot when he is in LF and dropping Hernia down to 8.
Hanigan will be the #2 catcher
Without a big Hammer in LF we’ll get lots of small ball from ol’ Toothpick.
As much as I’d like to see Frazier get a shot, it will only happen if he blows the roof off in ST.Hi-Z will not see the light of day. Nor will Yonder Alonzo. Maybe some Heisey after All Star break or if someone gets hurts.
I do think that Nix will make the team as a PH/backup OF.
With a rotation of:
Bailey
Arroyo
Harang
Cueto
Dusty will continue to manage as he always has. there is a ‘correct’ move to be utilized for every situation, its in the "BOOK’ and Baker has memorized the “BOOK”. He cares little about (maybe doesn’t believe in) the more important stats like OPS and WAR..he abhors K’s by batters and doesn’t want the bases clogged yet loves to bunt.
Reds will have some very talented youth in 2010 . Dusty is not the right kind of manager for these guys- but I doubt if he, himself understands that. I believe that he will be given the resources to provide a winning season (barring serious injury to key players) and the Reds will have a winning season despite Dusty, not because of him..I predict 85 wins in 2010. If things go south early I don’t think Walt will replace Dusty, unless its with an interim guy like Speiers, to save $$$$. Maybe there’s a young manager somewhere in the minor leagues that is just waiting for the chance to work creatively with a bunch of young talented guys who really want to win.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 3, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
… b/c you understand The Dusty, and know that he will not change b/c he cannot change.
He’s predictable to a fault, and it’s that predictability that will net the Reds another losing season in 2010.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
His explanation was great, his conclusion lacked.
So, I disagree with the whole 85 wins thing, b/c this team is a sub-.500 team.
But he painted a great picture of The Dusty, and how much he sucks something awful.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I conclude that the Reds have enough pitching and young talent to muster a winning season
Especially if Jay Bruce gets hots and there are no bigtime injuries…winner despite Dudsy not because of him
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
See, you used that word "if"
“if” this… “if” that….
if if if
2010 should be the “if” year, since that’s what it’ll take, and a lot of them, for the Reds to crack the good side of .500.
The Reds do not have enough pitching, IMO, and regardless of age the Reds lack talent. Young talent, old talent, the Reds just don’t have a lot of talent.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
In all sports there is always the the word IF
And the Reds do have enough talent and pitching to have a winning season.
a great manager would know how to best utilize the strengths that the Reds do have, maybe not in to contention but certainly into a winning season.This year’s team should be an improvement over last year’s, but as we all know Baker can cost us at least a couple games a month just with poor utilization of the line up and batting order…If rules when your are on the cusp.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
Errr that is "You can't teach an old Dusty new Tricks"
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
The Reds having Dusty Baker as manager is proof that God does not exist
Or maybe it’s proof that He does exist and someone in Cincinnati really pissed Him off.
it may have ...
… to do with the whole Pete Rose thing.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
i always thought that the Reds are cursed by the ghost of John McSherry
Marge said some pretty terrible things after his death, and regifting flowers to the umpiring crew was not classy either.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
you might have something there...
maybe we should perform some sort of sacrifice for mcsherry so he’ll lift the curse.
I'm a firm believer, and will continue to believe until proven otherwise that...
… as long as The Virus is on our 25 man roster, he will get the bulk of playing time in CF, AND bat leadoff.
The Dusty learned nothing from 2009, since The Virus had some hurt legs (or whatever excuse printed by the media at the end of 2009 and during the beginning of the offseason).
It’s not that I want to see Stubbs in CF, b/c I don’t. I’d much rather see Dickerson out there, b/c IMO he’s much better offensively than Stubbs, although with only slightly less defensive ability.
Unfortunately this team is without a LF, although I wouldn’t mind giving the Daynce Mix some more time out there with maybe Wlad Balentien. I think those 2 could be an effective platoon. Unfortunately, I really feel that The Dusty will play The Virus in CF, and then platoon Dickerson in LF, which means if we see Dickerson and The Virus in the same starting lineup, run to your favorite bookie and bet on the Reds to lose.
Continuing on the theme of The Virus will play way too much in CF, and leadoff, that brings us to the #2 spot in the lineup, which IMO means we’ll see plenty of Paul Janish, which is only about 5 or 6 spots too high in the lineup. Paul Janish should never bat higher than 7th, and honestly the kid should really bat 8th or 9th. So, I’m ok with Janish defensively, but let’s go back to a lineup with The Virus and Janish 1 & 2 (b/c we all know it’ll happen more times than we want in 2010) which also includes Dickerson in it. Having a lineup with 1 of those 3 in it is stomachable, but put all 3 in there at the same time, and you really better run to that same favorite bookie and bet on the Reds to lose.
Long story short, The Dusty only puts the Reds in positions to fail. He bats guys in the wrong lineup position. He doesn’t play the best players. He leaves starting pitchers in too long. He doesn’t leverage his relievers well.
Aside from all that, he’s a perfect manager, and I hope they extend him.
I don't agree with all of this
To my surprise Baker has been decent with the pitching staff. I don’t expect any manager to leverage relievers perfectly because the orthodoxy of closer usage has become ingrained in baseball culture. But I thought Baker used his top dogs (Masset and Rhodes) very well last year. He also did a better job of not using Cordero on consecutive days, which was a problem in ’08. Overall I think he manages the bullpen okay.
Same for the starters. In general Baker’s been pretty good about limiting starter pitch counts. Only three times did a starter throw 120 or more pitches, and the max was 123 (and it was always Arroyo or Harang). Cueto wore down, but that’s to be expected for a young guy who pitched winter league and WBC. Same situation for Volquez, so it’s hard to faulty Dusty for that.
Baker has obvious weaknesses with lineup construction, but I want to believe that he’s a good manager of personalities. Votto obviously had some personal difficulties but still performed well when he was on the field. I’ll give Baker some credit for that. And I like how Dusty stuck with Bruce through thick and thin. Hopefully Stubbs’ strong debut will give Dusty pause on how much he wants to play Taveras this year. If he sticks with Stubbs and finds a way for Dickerson to get 400 PAs I"ll be happy.
by ken on Jan 3, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
Baker’s weakness is dogmatic adherence to orthodoxy and lineup construction. his handling of the pitching staff, considering his reputation, has been pretty damn good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think Dusty will largely continue to fulfill our low expectations of him, but
I don’t think Taveras will play over Stubbs, at least not initially. I just really hope Stubbs has a great April. It seems that’s all it takes to cement your spot for the year. I also think Stubbs is a great bet to OBP more like .350 and SLG a lot less than last year.
I do think he’ll bat Janish at 2nd way more than he should. I could see a lineup like this
1. Stubbs
2. Janish
3. Votto
4. BP
5. Rolen
6. Bruce
7. CDick/Heisey/Wlad/Other LF
8. Hernandez
That’s not a terrible lineup, but wouldn’t this be much better, at least against righties?
1. Dickerson LF
2. Rolen
3. Votto
4. Bruce
5. BP
6. Stubbs
7. Hanigan
8. Janish
Lefties I’d go with
1. Stubbs
2. Rolen
3. Votto
4. BP
5. Bruce
6. Hanigan
7. LF (Wlad? Heisey?)
8. Janish
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
That's why we need Taveras leading off
So we won’t have anyone on first for Phillips to force at second.
so, maybe ...
We can evaluate who we have, as opposed to the pee-in-the-Wheaties crowd who wanted us to sign every single free agent in North America.
We have Janish at short. He’s fine on defense. If he learns to hit … say, 10 points higher, is that enough? Not hitting second in the lineup, but 8th would work.
In left field, we’ll probably get around to re-signing Gomes, which may or may not be a good deal. I think he’s a utility guy who hit 20 homers last year. Nix is at least as good.
Taveras would be all right in center field if, when he isn’t playing there, is trying to reach first base. After that, he has potential to be the best player in the N.L.
My point is that there isn’t anything wrong with our roster if the guys on it play better baseball. We can assume they can’t do better. That flies in the face of logic. They can all do better.
We need coaching that helps. The rap on the Dusty is his rigid approach. Willy Taveras took 18 walks last year as a leadoff guy. Sorry, but part of that isn’t Dusty’s fault. I would like Dusty replaced but only after some of these guys show they’re better than they were. (My gawd, are we at least clear of Tatum?)
The Reds aren’t broken. We ain’t the Yankees, but if we win 2 more games a month that we did last summer, we’re in the hunt for a wild-card. That could happen if the defense is better, which seems to be the case.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
he did
and i checked. i still have a pulse. i dont know why, but i still have a pulse.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
BUT (there's a catch!)
Wily has to get on base first (or on first base)…so that pretty much negates johnu’s contention.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
he is after ....
… he gets to first base, which is what I wrote.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
The problem with Taveras is getting to first base
He’s kinda like those nerds, dweebs and losers on that show Made on MTV that wanna be ladies men, Prom King, and/or just plain kiss a girl. He has trouble getting to first base!
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 3, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Which I tried to explain...
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
I get what you mean I guess, but your choice of words maybe could have been better
“best player in the NL” is different than say “best baserunning threat in the NL” or something like that, which is only a small aspect of one player’s game. best player implies defense/offense/baserunning are all at high levels.
dang ....
I guess we need to shoot Willy then. Here I was, thinking we had a contender.
Sorry. Here Ted, Uhlaender.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
I thought Fay quoted Dusty in saying the job is Stubbs to lose
I bet Willy T is DFA’d. Dusty was talking trash about him for not working hard to get back with the team when he was on the DL. Meanwhile Ramon busted his ass.
BOLD PREDICTION
Willy T is not on the opening day 25-man roster.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions
wouldn't he have already been booted?
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
on a competently run team, yes
OTOH, a competently run team would never have signed him, at least not for two years.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Here's What To Expect...
….when it’s May, Willy Taveras has an OBP of .256 and still batting lead off, Dusty will be there to tell us that the only thing that matters for a lead off hitter is to run really fast (but not before re-signing Juan Castro and batting him second again, for old time’s sake). I think Earl Weaver said it best that managers do not win games, they lose them. Dusty has cost this team several wins just with his line-up and personnel management. I used to think that Jerry Narron was the dumbest manager in baseball. I was wrong. It’s Dusty Baker.
Yeah castro's due...its the law of averages dudes
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
also
You need to read the entire premise about getting a coach who can work with him. All joking aside, anybody who only gets 18 walks has bad coaching in addition to poor plate discipline.
No matter who is in the outfield, he needs to get on base first, then score some runs.
Then you could see the team win TWO STINKIN’ GAMES MORE a month, go from 78 wins to about 90 wins.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
well wily taveris is not the answer to a winning season even if he does improve a bit.
Hopefully he get DFA’d like Dave predicts…he a loser (Wily that is not Dave…well…I don’t think Dave’s a loser…are you a loser Dave…you can tell me I won’t tell a soul)
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
I am not a loser
But sometimes the teams I root for are……..except the Colts they fucking rule.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
if the Reds can win one game everyday they play
they will go 162-0 barring double headers. Just one stinkin game a day.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
They've gone undefeated before - they can do it again...Jusitn for Manager!
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
You're understating how easy it is to pick up two games a month, every month
There is a big difference between a 78 and 90 win team. A majority of teams finish somewhere in between. That kind of leap will require more than Taveras drawing a few more walks. For us to win 90 games, Harang needs to bounce back, Arroyo needs to continue to defy all reasonable expectations, Cueto and Bruce need to take it to the next level, Bailey needs to show the end of last year wasn’t a fluke, Votto and Rolen must stay in the lineup for at least most of next year, and Janish has to hit better than he’s shown thus far. Basically, everything has to go right.
by ken on Jan 3, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
….it’s going to take more than Taveras drawing a few more walks (more like forty, with the problem being that 28 year olds with lifetime hitting zones that begin at their heads and end under the ground tend not be coachable plate discipline cases waiting to happen), but a good lead off hitter (which Taveras will never be) helps tremendously. Having your lead off hitters with an OBP under .300 kills the offense. Just having one with an OBP of .350, and who can run the bases reasonably well, is a big boost—not 12 games, but enough to push us from 78 to the low 80s. The other games will depend on the development of our younger players (particularly, Bruce and Cueto bouncing back, and all of the other aforementioned variables).
bigger balls
Does this mean we are past the “small ball” experiment?
Please say it’s so, Dave.
Dave?
…. dave?
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
No, it just means that Willy fell out of Dusty's good graces
It didn’t hurt that Stubbs played well, but lets be honest Dickerson played well too and frequently got te bench in favor of Willy.
Dusty Baker IS small ball
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 3, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
that's tough
doubleheaders present a problem.
I don’t like how this schedule is shaping up.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
some one said this in fays blog and i thought it was hilarious
“Notice that when the talk is about Francisco, a 3rd baseman, that nobody talks of moving Rolen to LF. They give Francisco and OF’s mitt and say have at it.”
Is this guy serious? i want some of his crack
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Hey, I've got an idea!
Let’s move the gold glove infielder to the outfield and completely waste the talent.
Rolen doesn’t hit like an LF anyway, does he?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
moving gg fielders to different positions well into their careers is a bad idea.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
HOw many people here
have been campaining for BP to short?
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
i feel ya
but to be fair, moving Rolen down the defensive spectrum is not the same as moving BP up the defensive spectrum.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 3, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think Griffey was a little different.
It’s easier to move around in the OF, plus his defensive skills were eroding quickly at that point. Rolen’s still the same caliber 3B, more or less.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
agreed on going from 78 to 90
That’s what I meant by playing better baseball. Two wins a month more is do-able.
Keeping a lineup out there that can generate an extra run or so every other game is how it starts.
I am also not asking to go from 78 to 100. This is not the BRM, last I checked.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
Just a housekeeping point
Please use the “reply” feature if you’re replying to a specific comment. It keeps all the comments for a specific discussion bundled together and makes everything a lot easier to follow. Thanks!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 3, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
what I told
the machine to do and what occurred are not the same.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
the computer
made a logical decision. It was simply different from the one I wanted it to make.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
Not as messed up as the Cincinnati Bengals are tonight...Christ on a Ding-Dong
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
keep the religion to the other room jesus boy
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
* hands on cheeks * sigh ... i miss slyde
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
I'll let you in on a secret
I miss Slyde too.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 3, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Chairman Dusty
Well, Dusty is the chairman of something called the ’Don’t Take My Bat Away Coalition’, which is a propaganda front for aluminum bat manufacturers that goes around arguing that there is no difference between metal and wood bats. Now, does that say anything about what exactly it is that Dusty ‘sees’ when evaluating players and constructing a lineup? We’re not even talking about the abstractions we make and then analyze (OBP, etc.), but the raw, experiential aspect to all this, and Dusty ‘sees’ aluminum bats as being identical to wood ones. If that is an indication, then we’re talking about someone who isn’t seeing the same reality as we are, therefore, our logic is useless— if an object traveling 80mph is going as fast as an object going 100mph (in other words, 80=100) according to someone, how then do you want to begin to talk about math, physics and statistics with that person? You end up with proclamations like ‘All children under 16 are now 16 years of age,’ rules about changing underwear and Wily Taveras.
swing and a miss
wooden bats clog up the base paths.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
what to expect from dusty baker
Let me start by saying that I have been a redsfan since 1961 when I went to My 1st redsgame(Reds-vs-Yankees in the series)and have loved them since.I am now saddened by the fact that ownership would even bring in a racist like Dusty Baker.They railroaded Marge Schott out of town for saying a racist remark and then turn around and hire a Black racist?Makes no sense.They have turned the Reds into a money making machine instead of a Big Red Machine.Alot of people think that theres only one owner of the Reds,well thats not true.Its the same ownership only with a new snakeshead leading them.They dont believe in winning it all anymore and thats truly a crime.What it all is boiling down to is this,Dusty Baker has never and I mean never been a good Manager so what would make you people think that he would be any different now?I’ll wait one more season and then see who they bring in to lead these Young Reds.I have let my season tickets expire in protest of these owners and if your smart you will do the same.Seeing a ballgame is more than seeing those people run such an historic Team into the mud.i’ve been checking out some of the high school teams around town and You can see a much better coached game by doing so.These kids still know what it means to truly want to win.Its even exciting to watch.I’m saying that don’t be duped into thinking that the Reds will do any better than 3rd or more likely 4th place in their division.They wont bring in the personel to win.
Old time redsfan
Please take a minute and back up your accusations with verifiable facts.
I’ve seen no specific instances or any factual address of Dusty Baker being ‘racist’.
Marge Schott was a confused, controlling and spiteful person. not to mention the factual recorded instances of her blatant racism. Plus she had a thing for elephants.
The days of the BRM were over with the arrival of FA.
Baseball teams since their inception as professional sports businesses have always been money making machines.
There has been, even in Marge’s day, group ownership of the Reds for decades. Next you’ll be calling Louise Nippert a racist, money grubber who doesn’t care about wining.
Coaching pro athletes is a whole lot different than coaching a bunch of high energy, impressionable kids in HS.
I would agree with you that the Reds haven’t brought in the personnel to win…maybe this is the year that things turn around.
Lighten up, you appear to be around my age and brother we don’t have the time or luxury to sit around and whine about stuff we can’t control. This is a great site where you can vent your frustrations, be passionate and caring about the Reds and learn all kinds of fascinating (if not always useful) stuff. But please take a minute and back up your claims with verifiable facts.
You new Pal
Mads
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
Go to the 9th line.
I think you meant “if YOU’RE smart you’ll do the same.”
You see, “your” is a possessive form of the word “you”, whereas “you’re” is a contraction of the words “you” and “are”.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Not the best way to keep a new poster around, crolf-dawg
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 5, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe not
But I’m tired of hearing about Dusty Baker being a racist. I had enough of that from my grandpa over Christmas. That crap needs to stay away.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Jan 5, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I do agree with that.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 5, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Reds are where they are in large part due to Marge Schott— the infamous line about ‘all scouts do is sit around and watch baseball games’ is a good origin point for the Reds recent history. At one time, the Reds were rivaled in the scouting department only by the Dodgers, they ran on the fumes of that through the 80’s and first part of the 90’s, and were propped up essentially in the mid 90’s by Schott’s efforts to run the team like the Yankees (there was a time back then when we had one of the highest payrolls in baseball).
I’m by no means a fan of Dusty Baker, I really don’t think he’s a good manager, but a racist? Are you kidding me? It’s interesting to read someone who thinks admiration (right down to the Nazi armband on her mantle) for the most atrocious racially motivated mass-murderer in human history is no big thing when compared to someone who happens to be black, and whom the author has projected racism onto without a shred of evidence. I’ve been seeing this sensibility going around— at what point did the logical leap take place whereby the victims of racism became the originators of racism? I’m sort of curious— what does black racism get its adherents? Is it like white racism in reverse? lower paying (if any) jobs, crappy housing, de-funded schools and a government that doesn’t represent them? If so, then, I guess it’s working out, otherwise, I’m not so sure.
I think those who followed the Joey Votto (who, if I’m not mistaken, is a white guy) situation last summer saw a pretty darned decent guy with a lot of compassion for what his player was going through. I don’t think that makes Dusty a good manager, I think he’s be a fantastic bench coach, but I’m pretty perplexed at the notion that he’s a ‘racist.’
wrong
this is his senior yearbook pic from high school (the same high school as the Canadian PM!)

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
That costume looks like Brendanukkah gone horribly wrong
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
Wow - Crowlf-Dawg
That is so cool BK – damn Crowf-dawg…i like that shit.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
Is this about the "who plays better in the sun" comments?
If so, I think you’re greatly overstating your case.
Well know for sure that Bronson isn't worth a shit in the sun.

Unless you count when he’s on his boat the "Skag Patrol’
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
oldtime i think you ment to post here
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"

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