Predict the Opening day 25-man roster
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 26, 2010 7:59 PM EST
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It's early but I am bored and have been thinking about the what the 25-man roster is going to look like on opening day. So here it goes:
- Harang - SP
- Arroyo - SP
- Cueto - SP
- Bailey - SP
- Owings - SP
- Cordero - RP
- Masset - RP
- Burton - RP
- Rhodes - RP
- Herrara- RP
- Bray - RP
- Fischer - RP
- Votto - 1B
- Phillips - 2B
- Jannish - SS
- Rolen - 3B
- Frazier - UTIL
- Sutton - UTIL
- Hernandez - C
- Hanigan - C
- Bruce - RF
- Stubbs - CF
- Balentien - RF
- Dickerson - OF
- Nix - OF
More ST predictions
- Frazier to the 40-man coincides with the DFA of Willy T
- Maloney's ST ERA is over 5
- Rhodes may be traded if Bray looks solid
- Pryce makes Owings better with a lower than 4 ST ERA
- Heisey might beat out Nix, Wood might beat out Owings
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Which players don't have options?
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
Balentien and Bailey I know
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 26, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
options
In addition to Bailey and Balentien, Owings is out of options. I believe Bray is, too.
Any of those 4 not making the opening day roster, opens a spot on the 40-man roster.
Lincoln is not on the list original list, DFA Taveras, 60-dayDL Volquez…there’s plenty of space on the 40-man roster.
Here is my idealized roster., with the ages at the beginning of this season. The roster that would be loaded with prospects, but is probably more realistically 2011, after the Reds dump Arroyo and Harang. Also does not include Mike Leake, who could very easily be in the rotation over Wood and Chapman or even Volquez if he doesn’t recover. This is a roster with a lot of what ifs, but I put it together just for fun to see what our prospect situation looked like.
CATCHERS. Average Age: 25.114
Hanigan, Ryan 28
Hernandez, Ramon 33
INFIELDERS
Francisco, Juan 22
Janish, Paul 26
Phillips, Brandon 28
Rolen, Scott 34
Valaika, Chris 23
Votto, Joey 25
OUTFIELDERS
Balentien, Wladimir 24
Bruce, Jay 22
Frazier, Todd 23
Heisey, Chris 24
Stubbs, Drew 24
PITCHERS
Bailey, Homer 23
Burton, Jared 28
Chapman, Aroldis 22
Cueto, Johnny 23
Del Rosario, Enerio 23
Fisher, Carlos 26
Herrera, Daniel Ray 24
Leake, Mike 21*
Masset, Nick 27
Owings, Micah 26
Viola, Pedro 26
Volquez, Edinson 26 *
Wood, Travis 22
Projected Lineup
1. Stubbs CF
2. Phillips 2B
3. Votto 1B
4. Rolen 3B
5. Bruce RF
6. Frazier LF
7. Janish SS
8. Hernandez C
9. Pitcher Spot
Projected Rotation
1. Volquez
2. Chapman LHP
3. Cueto
4. Wood LHP
5. Bailey
LR Owings
MR Viola LHP
MR Fisher
MR Del Rosario
SU Herrera LHP
SU Burton
CL Masset
Volquez won't even be pitching in live games before June
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 26, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think he might miss the whole season
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think if they're smart he'll miss the whole season
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i agree with both you and bubba
but he is saying he can be back by July. At the most I only want to see him in the bullpen picking up a few innings in the final months. Ryan Dempster had his TJ at about the same time of the season in 2003, and he did some bullpen work for the Cubs late in 2004.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 27, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're up early
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I should have said for 2010
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 26, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
One other beef (but thanks for posting)
Phillips absolutely, positively should never bat in the 2 hole. In an ideal world he’d hit 6th, but we know that will never happen.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, hi, hello, and welcome!
Feel free to post often! BTW, I think Del Rosario could be a sleeper to make the 25 man out of ST.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
But he's not even in our Top 14 prospects!
talk about a big sleeper
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Which number was Del Rosario on our voting?
I thought he was 15?
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 27, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
He just won yesterday
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 27, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Close sir but not quite..my projected line up
Projected Lineup
1. Stubbs CF
2.Frazier LF
3. Votto 1B
4. Rolen 3B
5. Bruce RF
6. Phillips 2B
7. Hernandez C
8. Jannish
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Mads,
My sentiments exactly, except when END plays in LF, you move Rolen to the 2 hole, move everyone else up a spot and plug END into the 6th spot.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dusty just bit through his Australian Chewing Stick.
No way can you assemble a lineup based on production and OBP. You assemble lineups based on player positions, years of major league service, personal relationships and feng shui. It just has to feel right, man.
If it wasn't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college!
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jan 27, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry
Your post was dead on, but it threw me into a blind rage. I wasn’t ready for that yet this morning.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Don't type angry.
Take a deep breath and think peaceful thoughts: Corey Patterson, Willy Taveras, Jacque(s) Jones, Dick Pole, wristbands, Wayne Krivsky, Marge Schott nude, Dick Pole nude, Chris Sabo in a thong, Rec Specs and flip-flops, Jim Day, a retired George Grande. You should feel better now. You’re just a happy little tree.
If it wasn't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college!
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jan 27, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you funny man JoeNoaln
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
the sadness that is going to be heard on this site when Willy breaks camp as the starting CF
will only be mathced by the cursing
ok
Rotation:
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Maloney
Bullpen:
Coco
Burton
Rhodes
Masset
DRH
Fisher
Lincoln
Lineup
C-Hanigan
1B-Votto
2B-Phillips
3B-Rolen
SS-Janish
LF-Dickerson
CF-Stubbs
RF-Bruce
Bench:
Balentin
Hernandez
Sutton
Rosales
Taveras
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
So you think thata Wily will make it over nix?
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I'm rooting for Heisey
but I think he’ll probably start in Louisville. For clock reasons, if nothing else.
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given today's news
Scratch Rosales. Add Cairo.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
totally forgot about lincoln
i need to replace him for Fisher
Is Bray out of options?
Rosales and Sutton will not make the roster
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 26, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Bray is out of options
But I don’t think he’ll make the opening day roster. He had TJ surgery in late May. It takes pitchers 12 months to fully recover – some say 18 months is better.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Bray might be out of options
I feel like he spent some time in AAA in 2007 and some time in AAA in 2008. He didn’t break camp with Cincinnati last year. But I feel the Reds would be better served by him opening the season on the 15 day DL and doing a 30 day rehab assignment in Louisville.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 27, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
not bad
Except I fear it’s going to be Hernandez as the starter, and Hanigan on the bench.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think that both catchers will get close to equal time
RayMoan is getting old and even Dudsy must realize that he can’t catch more than 65-70 tops in 2010
Hanigan will get a lot more playing time this season but he seems to need a little rest as well or his hitting may go down the tubes.
Hopefully duds will give them equal time, or even give Hanigan closer to 60-65% of the stars.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I think this all depends on whether they want Ramon back for 2011
If they do, he’ll start a bunch, but if they don’t they’ll make sure he doesn’t get the 120 games he needs for his option to vest.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
no list from me
Just a question? Is Wilkin Castillo somebody who has a shot at anything?
I also (shudder) think Rosales is on the opening day roster.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Wilkin Castillo
had surgery for a torn labrum last summer.
He probably won’t be ready to play by opening day. Assuming he can even come back at all. A lot of baseball players never achieve their previous level of performance after shoulder surgery.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
and...
…I agree about Rosales.
I think the Reds will probably sign someone. Probably not going to be Orlando Cabrera. It’s going to be someone cheap. An Andy Phillips or Ray Olmedo type.
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by BubbaFan on Jan 27, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bbjones mentioned this in the reposter
but it looks like Johnny Damon is probably going to have to settle for a 1 year deal for 4-5 million. I know Walt probably doesn’t have that much, but if he could scrape it together, that would be a great signing.
Damon figures to be worth 8-10 mil this season, according to fangraphs.
He’s probably slightly below average in the field, but with this team’s offensive woes, he’s exactly what they need. It definitely won’t happen, but it should.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Couldn't agree more.
Put Stubbs next to him, Rolen/Janish in front of him, and the GABP short porch behind him, and his defense might not look quite so shoddy.
His bat would be an oh-so-welcome addition to this version of the Reds.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 27, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
at this point
I think he’s a lot below average in the field.
But I would still sign him. His bat and his personality would be good for the Reds, I think.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Below average defense, good bat and personality, you say?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
His defense is worse, bat not as good, and personality....
well, that’s probably a wash.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 27, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if he cost an extra 4 million over Gomes, you should expect him to be worth at least 1 WAR more
And I’d guess he’d be worth at least 2 WAR over Gomes.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm thinking...
…if the Reds shell out any money, it should probably be for an infielder. We don’t have a backup for Janish, and we have a lot of OFers.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This is also true
but there are no currently undervalued shortstops right now.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
that's the key
I think he’s undervalued at $4-5M, and really undervalued at $3.
If nothing else, you could trade him at the deadline and get some good stuff. Maybe even a Stan the Man rookie card.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
you should read that fangraphs article
his 3 year totalzone defense is +5. I know he’s in decline and isn’t that good now, but I think his terrible number last year was a bit of an outlier.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Minus
I don’t think any of your fancy schmancy defensive ratings take Damon’s 12-year-old-girl arm into account.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
that is an insult to 12-year-old girls
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UZR does
which might account for some of why UZR dislikes him so much.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't looking at his numbers
I was looking at HIM. He wasn’t getting to balls he used to get to. He wasn’t getting to balls an average OFer would get to.
And his arm… He’s never had a strong arm, but now, it’s just sad.
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And this is interesting
Looks like Boras is trying to push Damon on the Reds.
With anyone but Boras I’d say this gives the Reds good leverage, but Boras just got Matt Holliday $120 million when there was only one interested team.
Although, it looks like the Yankees are off the table for Damon now. This could be interesting.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
this is proof
that Scott Boras reads RR.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
This is my personal preference, given available options
SP Harang
SP Arroyo
SP Cueto
SP Bailey
SP Maloney
SP/RP Owings
RP Cordero
RP Masset
RP Burton
RP Rhodes
RP Herrera
RP Del Rosario (Bray if healthy)
C Hernandez
C Hanigan
1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Rolen
SS Janish
UT Sutton
UT Burke (I don’ t think they’ll sign Cabrera or Amezaga, could just as well be Rosales)
RF Bruce
CF Stubbs
LF Balentien
OF Dickerson
OF Heisey
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions
I'd take that,
but I’d also take Nix instead of Heisey as the 5th OF if it mean Heisey was getting more consistent ABs in Louisville.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm of two minds on Heisey
He hasn’t logged a full season in AAA, but I tend to think he’s too old to worry about “seasoning” and his ceiling/prospect status is too low to worry about playing full time immediately.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 27, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's a good point, on the other hand,
if he was given a month or two’s worth of full time ABs, you’d know for sure whether he’s an MLB starter or a 4th OF. I’m afraid if he breaks camp as the 4th-5th OF we’ll never find out for sure.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
This is pretty darn close to what I'd predict
With the chance that Fisher edges out Del Rosario. I’m also assuming your SP/RP notation next to Owings means he’ll be in the bullpen but be the first to fill in for the rotation. Is that right?
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'd also like Bray to be healthy enough, for two reasons:
-I unreasonably like him because we’re almost exactly the same age.
-He’s the last remaining vestige of Austin Kearns on this team.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Darryl Thompson is in a doctors office somewhere
he is still in the organization.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 27, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
If he's in a doctors office, he won't be in the organization for long
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
too soon
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 27, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
my projected lineup
1. Dickerson CF
2. Cabera SS
3. Votto 1st
4.Phillips 2nd
5. Bruce RF
6. Rolen 3b
7. Heisey LF
8. Hernedez C
Rotation
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey/Wood
Owings
Bullpen
Bailey/Wood
Bray
DRH
CoCo
Burton
Masset
Bench
Sutton
Balentine
Hanigan
Stubbs
Janish
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Not sure why a couple of people so far have Owings in the rotation.
I know our options at 5 either aren’t great or unproven. If that is the case, I go with unproven upside on this team, but hey, that’s me.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 27, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think he'll start at some point. He wasn't that bad
If he could get lefties out and stop walking people ‘cause he can’t get lefties out, then he’d easily be valuable.
i think there is some hope
that Bryan Price can teach him up like he did in Arizona. /shrug
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
This
is the kind of “he’s not ever been that good, but we hope he can turn it around and be awesome for us” thinking that I hate about this team.
/not blaming Scrabbles, just sayin’
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Owings was pretty good for a while, though
For his first year and a half he had about 200 innings well above a 100 ERA+, with decent ratios. The question to me is whether Price can return him to that level or whether Owings can’t be the same pitcher because of his shoulder.
I remember
A general feeling of mild excitement when it was reported he was the PTBNL in the Dunn deal. Is that accurate?
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I always blame obc or jch
I’d never thought about blaming Scrabbles…Brilliant!
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Is it wrong that I'm far more excited about Bryan Price than I am optimistic about the team?
The little I’ve read about him just makes me happy. Of course, I don’t really blame Pole for the pitching, much like I don’t blame Brook Jacoby for teaching Paul Janish to hit. But, it’s nice to bring in some new blood.
I agree, Price seems like a good hire.
Everything he says in the articles I’ve read makes sense. That’s a plus.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Reds news, but not even worth a fanshot
Reds signed Miguel Cairo to a minor-league deal with an invite to Spring Training.
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-Vanna Bonta
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I was on (The Price Is Right) and didn't win a dogone thing!
Vana White
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Miggy!
There’s our cheap backup infielder.
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Every year
you guys put together good looking 25 man rosters, and every year the reds put out one that has t-virus and damon and rosy on it.
You all left Hanley Ramirez off the roster in your projections...
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
You all need another catcher.
Maybe two.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
The new Juan Castro
I can’t wait for Dudsy to PH him for Bruce
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Here's my edit after today's events
1.Harang – SP
2.Arroyo – SP
3.Cueto – SP
4.Bailey – SP
5.Owings – SP
6.Cordero – RP
7.Masset – RP
8.Burton – RP
9.Rhodes – RP
10.Herrara- RP
11.Bray – RP
12.Lincoln – RP
13.Votto – 1B
14.Phillips – 2B
15.Cabera – SS
16.Rolen – 3B
17.Janish – UTIL
18.Miles – UTIL
19.Hernandez – C
20.Hanigan – C
21.Bruce – RF
22.Stubbs – CF
23.Balentien – RF
24.Dickerson – OF
25.Nix – OF
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by Dave from Louisville on Feb 1, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions
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