GABP - To Smoke Or Not To Smoke? That Is The Question
by jch24 on Jan 25, 2010 4:19 PM EST
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PrintThis seems to be a hot-button topic, so let's do this right. As we all know, Ohio passed legislation banning smoking from all public establishments, including the stadiums.
As a smoker myself, I find this to complete and utter BS.
As I said in the other thread, not one single smoker I know wants the right to smoke in their seat, on the main concourse, or in the restaurants/bars in the stadiums. All of us would be perfectly content with a small well marked (lest your asthmatic children be tempted to wander over and immediately keel over from cancer) area somewhere at the stadium. US Bank Arena can pull it off, why not GABP? Either create a smoking area on the lower level RF concourse, or allow smokers to leave and reenter through two gates, one on each side of the stadium.
If any other demographic representing 20% of Americans were treated this way people would be up in arms (gay rights, anyone?) Why not smokers? Because it's been deemed a vice, which I think is total BS.
Should smoking be allowed in designated areas in/around GABP?
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Hell yes!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions
Whatever turns you on.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If there were ever a reason to say it
good lord
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
KILL IT!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Comparison to being gay?
Come on now, one is a choice you make and one is not. While smoking is certainly addictive, its a choice that you make at some point in your life to take on.
by dougdirt on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
and I’m pretty sure that jch knows the difference, but he’s just being a dick.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
There are plenty of studies that indicate propensity toward addiction is genetic
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i can't dispute that claim but don't you think it's a stretch to say that you weren't genetically wired to pick up a cigarette?
Sonny my pitched my wild
Born and raised in KY
I’d say it’s fair to assume.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
eh... i see your point.
i’m half puerto rican, half scotch-irish so it’s booze for me. and backhanding women.
Sonny my pitched my wild
Scotch-irish and German with a little English
I’m basically a walking brewery.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm German-Irish.
Drunk, feisty, and…intolerant?
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
half irish here
and a whole lotta mutt mixed in
but not german, so I’m not an apologist for either World War.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I don't apologize for either WW, either.
My German grandfather kille him all kinds of Krauts in WWII. And was damn proud of it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
English, German, and French
so, classist and a bully, I guess
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm English and part Injun
I can’t cook and have a weakness for the sauce.
Sounds about right.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
and you don't have to shave for weeks at a time
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Not anymore
I’ve started becoming a man at the tender age of 33 for some reason, and the peach doesn’t like the fuzz so I’m shaving far more often than I like.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
try a Brazillian wax
that will save you some shave time.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, yes and only toward those in favor of a smoking ban!
/Zing!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
You and me need to hang out more
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i have no idea where my family came from
so I don’t know what nationalities are in my background. I’ve never gotten the fascination with it.
Wherever it was, it seems they didn't have cows
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes they did. They just fucked'em instead.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'd definitely argue they are both choices
You choose to smoke.
You choose to be gay.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 25, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
we're going to need another thread...
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
No way, I love these threads
I know I’ve stumbled upon a FarmersOnly Report with 300+ comments, and thought “aw, shit…..”. It’s like Christmas!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes on the smoking
No on the gaying
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
you obviously aren't in any close lifelong relationships with any gay people
either that or they know you’re a homophobe and keep it from you
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I would just like to step in here
The discussion has been pretty civil so far, as has been the case most of this year. I’d rather we not get into a discussion over the nature of homosexuality.
kthx.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
you don't have to be gay about it
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 25, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Ha!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
green the man, I lol'd
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm not religious at all (as evidence in the Holiday threads)
so the whole argument of choosing to sin doesn’t apply to my thinking…
and after having many conversations getting to know my wife’s gay cousin, he’s convinced me that there is some genetics involved in being gay, but he firmly believes that being gay is a choice, and I share that belief with him.
His logic was that closet gays choose to remain in the closet, whereas open gays choose to let their preference, and in essence choice, be known. He also said that he had some inclination to have attraction to men, but “experimented” with women first. He said he then “chose” to be gay, b/c it felt “right” to him. And that’s fine. He’s cool as shit, and he can choose to be whatever he wants, won’t change how I think or feel about him.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 25, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
So, what if you happen to run naked backwards
through a corn field, and you like it? So, you’re saying that I would have to choose to ignore the bliss that nature provides?
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Stange thing is
every time I kiss you, you giggle. Care to explain this?
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
You. Cheating. WHORE!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'd also like to ask
Why haven’t fireplaces and gas ranges been banned yet? Both produce flame byproducts that could be detrimental to one’s health.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Good Grief
Smoking isn’t only bad for your health and the health of those within brathing distance it is also incredibly expensive as a habit and then later as health care costs.
I smoked for 13 years and gave it up 26 years ago. When i think of the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ alone that I’ve save I start to get a bit aroused.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
The smell of a freshly lit cigarette
right after a great bratfast, a good bong or an intimate evening…whew…where’s my Pall Malls…
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Bratfast?
Now that sounds like South Milwaukee. Well, maybe not the “fast” part.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Mads, aroused?
Go ooonnnnnnn……
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
how many daughters were conceived after Mads quit smoking?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Which answer is true based on Madville's comment?
A) He stopped smoking at 39 years-of-age.
B) He gets an erection when he sees dollar signs.
C) He is concerned about the public’s health.
D) Both B & C
E) None of the above.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jan 25, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take a crack at that poll jch
A) Wrong – I stopped at 35yr of age
B) Doesn’t everyone?
C) Yes especially because I’m a member of the public
D) T
E) This is not an eith/or question therefore I’ll have to analyze its ultimate validity
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
CALM DOWN MADVILLE!
Unless you didn’t take your Cialis, then it doesn’t matter.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 25, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god, Oh God, Oh, Oh and Oh God
Ahhhhh – good lord
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Um, that was JNG, not me
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Second-hand smoke was de-bunked on Penn & Teller: Bullshit.
The studies the government based the findings on were horseshit. IIRC, the study showed that only 9 people out of 1,000,000 exposed had shown cancer with second-hand smoke as the cause – a statistically insignificant group.
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Much like these guys
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Penn & Teller
It’s not like they don’t have an agenda.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The same can be said of government studies
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
perhaps
That’s why I favor looking at a bunch of studies, not just one or two, and not just one source.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Ha.
It is hard to argue in support of smoking. I tried it for years and most people these days just think you’re a criminal if you smoke. The issue for non-smokers, as opposed to former smokers, is that they don’t realize how difficult it is to quit.
Just telling people to quit smoking or, worse, tell them they have to do without because “we know what’s good for US,” is a little unfair.
There is no win to this, jch … my advice is to try to quit. Sooner or later, you will succeed if you have the right reason. Frankly, I can’t believe that in the 2 years I’ve been off them, that they cost this much now! Holy paraphernalia!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i don't think that's the point.
if people want to smoke, they should be allowed to smoke. it’s legal, it’s a free country, it brings in LOADS of $$$ for the government.
what surprises me to no end is how liberal a smoking ban is yet most of it’s supporters are hardcore conservatives. at least the ones i’ve met. kinda off-topic, but a little observation i was able to make…
Sonny my pitched my wild
Most pro-ban people I've met are from a wide-range of ideological beliefs.
But as OBC pointed out — they all have one thing in common:
They’re nowhere near as fun as smokers or those non-smokers that don’t mind/put up with smoke and smokers.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm indifferent and voted yes
on the minipoll. As a former smoker, I tell my friends I can currently sit in two places.
But people who smoke don’t smell good to me now and I can pick them out easily in stores. No big deal, that.
I do think the government is hypocritical about it. They treat tobacco like a vegetable until we set fire to one end of it.
But I am also in support of people who want to regulate it. I also think that most smokers are OK with being regulated, just not treated like criminals. I’ve been on that side of the fence.
I just assert that if you can quit, that’s the best way out of the problem. I did that and I don’t care what the argument is about now.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
My other issue is that 'Smoking is bad' ... in bars.
That makes no sense. Alcohol is just as bad for you and for those around you as tobacco is.
You can imbibe one but you can’t smoke the other? IN THE SAME ROOM?!?!
I just hate the doublestandard. And I don’t smoke.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
But you can
go into a bar without drinking alcohol.
and you can go into a casino and not gamble.
This is not a good argument. Smoking, drinking, gambling, dancing, other forms of “vice” and “sin” are not sensibly lumped into the same discussion. “Those places” went out of style when my grandmother was a young woman.
You go into a saloon and the guy next to you is totally wasted. You don’t like it. The bartender says, “hey, tough crap fella … it’s what we do here, get folks loaded. Let’s just hope he don’t hit nothin’ on his way home.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Why go then? People usually go to bars to drink and usually go to casinos to gamble.
No one is making you go in there.
If it’s a bar where people smoke and you don’t like it — leave.
This is a very valid argument. It’s all about an individual’s right to chose to do something.
Leave the decision up to the owner of the establishment — he/she wants smoking and you don’t like it, don’t go there.
I fail to see why this is so damn hard for people to understand.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
i go to casinos
to pick up tan, tattooed, drunk, fake breasted women who like to gamble (see previous condom comment)
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
You, sir, are winning at life.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because the air we breath is not the property of said bar or casino.
It belongs to us all…
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Then don't go to the casino!
Find another place to gamble that doesn’t allow smoking.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
There are non smoking floors on every casino in town
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
are there non VD floors on every casino in town also?
if so…id go MUCH more often
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
What the hell does Valentine's Day have to do with any of this?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Oh, and I'm clean
Got the test results I picked up in a tuxedo to prove it!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i bet the Tux store is gonna get to know you well. soon.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Am I gonna be a Best Man again?
I wish you would have told me in person, congratulations!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
That's what I'm getting at.
That’s a decision by the owner — not a government-enforced law.
Speaking of — there are several counties in Ohio that have given up on even enforcing the law because it costs their police force entirely too much time and energy to do so, not to mention money.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
But that bar or casino is
private property. People go there by choice.
By that logic, then the government should ban smoking in my house.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly!
That’s all I’m trying to say.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I love when the guy next to me at the bar is totally wasted
Example A (last part of the story, and on topic since I have a cig in my hand in the pic)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
another Fucking Atlanta reference
good lord.
life is good.
We get it!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Tell us more about how great Chicago is, please
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Whoops, I mean St. Louis
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
im on a Southwestern trajectory
i might end up in phoenix.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Steer clear of Texas!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Alcohol bad?
Well i guess if you are an addict or if you drive drunk…
But alcohol is good in moderation
!) A social device
2) Raises one’s IQ
3) Heightens a lady’s attractiveness
4) makes the band sound better
5) makes me even more charming and witty
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I like No. 3
I never went to bed with an ugly woman,
but I sho-nuff woke up next to some.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Go to bed at 2 with a 10, wake up at 10 with a 2
My girlfriend is living that nightmare as we speak.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes, Mads. Alcohol is like any other vice -- it can be bad.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
interesting
The other thread about the ballpark and the photo that was inserted about disco demolition at Comiskey. The ad on the billboard is for Kool cigarettes. You are not allowed to smoke inside a baseball stadium anywhere in Illinois now.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
It's beyond dumb in Chicago now.
You can’t even be on a city sidewalk and smoke.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Except Miami Vice, which is never bad
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
as I said in the other thread
I think the issue is worker safety. You can drink without forcing the waitress to drink with you.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Again, I know jobs are tough to come by, but no one is forcing you to work there.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
You may think that
But the fact is, we do have worker safety laws in the country, on federal and local levels. It’s not some weird exception or hypocrisy to have them governing workplace hazards like smoking.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I understand there are workplace hazards.
I’ve worked some ‘dangerou’ jobs in my life, but I went into assuming the risk that was involved. And I’m not saying that the government shouldn’t have regulations set up.
But to take away the right of the owner/employer to set reasonable boundaries for their own store is not right. Should we be looking out of the worker? Yes, absolutely. But the worker/nor the government (any level of it) should decide what is right or wrong or ‘moral’ when it comes to a legally available substance.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't think morality enters into it
The question is what is a “reasonable boundary.” That’s the point of disagreement.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Nope. 'Morality' does play into in Ohio.
The last place I lived there was actually a woman with a sign in her yard that read: ‘Yes to the smoking ban. Next the Devil’s water!’
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
that may her view
But I doubt it’s the government’s justification.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
In some parts of this state it is.
We don’t all live on the coasts. There are some very scary moralists in the inland part of this country.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Nah man, there are conservative and liberal
moralists.
I fucking hate them both.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
I was about to say this.
As a recovering conservative who can see reason on both sides, I get really tired of more liberal people acting like conservatives are the only ones who moralize.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Me fucking too
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
That would have been it
it was actually more rural up toward Haviland. But yeah, VW County
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Not surprising in the least.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 26, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Nope. Not. At. All.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Posted this in the other thread, but
It’s a slippery slope argument you are making.
To say that a bar worker could just work somewhere else is a flippant and unrealistic response. (what about professional musicians who play these places for a living? Should they have to limit themselves only to non-smoking clubs?) Also, by your logic, workers who choose to work in a bar should have to put up with your smoke because you have the right to choose to smoke there….so by that logic, any office building and/or company should allow smoking in their office, and if other employees don’t like it, they should just find a new job.
Finally, you say other jobs can be dangerous and people enter with an expectation of the danger. However, even in those jobs there are typically strict guidelines and regulations to minimize the danger and make the job as safe as possible. Saying people can smoke in a bar and employees should just understand the risk is akin to saying that window cleaners don’t need harnesses because, hey, the job is dangerous! If we can make the job more safe for employees, why wouldn’t we? (oh, right, so you can slowly kill yourself)
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 25, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget to ban high fructose corn syrup outright to protect the general public from the growing diabetes epidemic
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
and to cease immunizations
due to the increased spread of autism.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
You guys want to provide extensive empirical evidence that those things are causing serious damage to people
and that the industries responsible for them are deviously selling their products to unwitting customers while lying about the effects, then I’ll get behind a ban of those too.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
That's bunk now, man.
No smoker is an unwitting customer any more and the smoking industry doesn’t lie any more either — for craps sake there’s a warning on the box.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, but I'm not arguing that smoking should be illegal,
that’s just what obc and jch implied.
I’m saying that with such vast and definitive proof of its harmful effects, no one should have the right to negatively affect my health because of their personal choice.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Just like I should have the right
to open an establishment and allow smoking inside.
Don’t like it? Leave.
This is a legal substance. You’re free to do this in your own house or in your car.
Why can’t I be allowed — or my customers do be allowed — to do the same?
The same right to choose should be extended to privately owned businesses.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there's no proof autism is linked to vaccines
However, I think HFCS might end up being banned. Nasty stuff.
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by BubbaFan on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, I was about to say, i'd get behind a ban of it right now.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
between 1992 and 1997
autism cases increased by 300%. seriously, why do you think that is?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
There are many reasons
diet of mothers, an increase of awareness and therefore diagnoses, any number of things.
There’s also evidence suggesting autism cases are much more prevalent in more educated communities. Should we all drop out of school after 8th grade?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I think it's just more awareness
And a social and political system that encourages parents to try and get their kids diagnosed as autistic.
I used to think that it was the “Silicon Valley effect.” That is, geeky engineers who might never have been able to get a date before were meeting and marrying other geeky engineers. (Parents who are engineers are known risk.)
However, the numbers suggest that what caused the “boom” in autism cases was kids who used be diagnosed as mentally retarded being diagnosed as autistic instead. That is, the increase in autism corresponds with a decrease in mental retardation.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Brings new meaning to the Dilbert video "The Knack", eh?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
disclosure
my son was diagnosed in the autistic spectrum in 2000
anyone want to be baited into a serious debate on this topic?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
no
but there was a substance formerly used in vaccines that has been linked to autism, name escapes me now
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
Thimerosal?
It’s been exonerated. They’ve banned it in some countries, but the rates of autism did not change.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that royally sucks
I’ve got friends in similar situations, and it’s a tough, trying thing to deal with and work through.
I am also married to a pediatrician who has researched the matter pretty deeply.
Starting with the fact that the original paper that claimed a link between vaccines and autism was retracted, in part due to the fact that at least one of the authors was receiving cash compensation from the lawyers setting up a lawsuit, and in part due to the fact that it was based on a sample of 12 kids, there haven’t been any repeated, peer-reviewed studies that establish a connection.
In the meantime, 4 of my grandmother’s 8 cousins died from a whooping cough epidemic, before they had vaccines.
So, I don’t want to be “baited” into an argument. But serious thoughtful discussion is always welcome.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Jan 25, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and the corn lobby
is already ramping up their campaign, arguing it’s harmless.
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i wouldn't BAN it
I would TAX it, seriously the prohibition model doesn’t work while heavy taxation creates a revenue stream for teh government and effective could lower every else’s taxes
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
ding ding ding, tell her what she's won Bob!!
Shit, it’s just a vial of Insulin.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Seriously, they used correlations from the NHIS?
Don’t EVER believe a “study” that basically amounts to correlations when the people responsible are based in a school of Public Health.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
your sentences need to be shorter.
or you need to post on a stat thread.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Also, WTF?
They didn’t even get a paper published. It’s an abstract for something that, by all appearances, hasn’t been peer-reviewed anywhere.
To summarize, in terms that you can understand: it’s bullshit.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i used a scientific technique
google. blind picked an article in the top 10 results.
what could possibly be BS about that methodology?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Yeah, well.
The point is that there’s no evidence of any link between vaccines and autism. The small amount of “evidence” that there was turned out to be fabricated.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
works for Dusty's centerfielders.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
interesting
But correlation is causation.
I’ll be interested to see what happens when the study appears in a peer-reviewed journal.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
You say that jokingly, right?
And it won’t, because it’s just a random correlation in a sample of 31 that will fall apart when more years of data are added.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
And if you're wrong?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Don't make me grab those data and run the damn regression
and see how sensitive it is to any minor change…
because you still wouldn’t believe me anyway.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I dare you.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Okay, those variables aren't in the easy-to-use version
so I’d have to download multiple datasets and merge them together, which is totally not worth it.
However, if I ever did get bored enough to look into this, I would just verify what I said above: the “evidence” consists only of a slight correlation between autism diagnosis and hep B vaccination based on a sample which only had something like 30 vaccinated children. They didn’t control for family income, which I’m sure is highly correlated…so probably just controlling for that would be enough to make this result go away, or even flip the sign on the “effect.”
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
typo
Obviously, I meant correlation is not causation.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Autism is a form of alien life that is subtley being spread amongst us
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_alien_life
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
actually
autism is a form of mind-control used by the reptilianoid replicons from the 5th dimension to keep us all docile and quiet. sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really believe that companies don't know the damaging effects of high fructose syrup?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
read my post 4 up
I wouldn’t mind a ban of it, like muffins said, at least places where it isn’t labeled or people don’t have a choice (school lunches being one example)
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Hadn't gotten that far when I replied, my bad
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Get rid of that shit too
See ya later, General Tso!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
But he's my favorite General of the Chinese foods.
Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.
I don't think this analogy works
Smoking isn’t banned. It’s just banned in public places. So maybe that’s akin to banning HFCS in school lunches… maybe.
Also, if other people want to consume tons of HFCS, it doesn’t affect me in the least (until they end up hospitalized with diabetes— but health care is a whole other bag of cats.)
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh come on, I was baiting you into a discussion about the other "evil" of smoking! ;)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
what?
this thread is moving way too fast for me to keep up
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
You should see a game thread when everybody shows up and we go off topic
Hilarity ensues.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
can't wait!
I’m getting giddy already
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I know, right?
We have a lot of good, fresh blood around here. Oughtta be a hoot.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yeah, we've already had a bunch of interesting threads this year.
Can’t wait until someone calls Votto a god or Poodle calls him smokin’ and that sparks another long discussion
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Poodle needs to stop trying to move in on my man
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
No way
Canadians are weird.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
In the cities where smoking pot is legal
Is it illegal to smoke tobacco in bars?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno, good question
Gray, go crunch the numbers and get back to me.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
In Montreal it is
and the smokers huddling outside in -20C weather crack me up.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I heart Canadians
I think I’d move there, if they’d have me.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I checked my immigration status in 2004
I was one point above the cutoff. I have since gained a graduate degree (+1) and lost a job (-1). I could probably still get in.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
They have floppy heads
But I love hockey and I like Molson so they’re cool. They just need to be reminded every once in a while that — THEY’RE CANADA, no one cares what they think.
Other than that they’re awesome!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
chicago is a weird place
understatement of all time.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Not at the bars I go to
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
if i worked at a bar
i’d want it to be smoking. bigger tips. and funner clients!!!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I can't say smoking
ever improved my sense of being fun.
If I drank enough, I would sometimes be amusing to observe.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
most of the ones
I used to frequent, back when I was drinking … some 5 a.m. joints on the Grand Cal up in Burnham, they asked folks to check their weapons with the bartender.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
D#1s Bar was initially negatively affected by the smoking ban but not for long
they’re doing more business now than ever and they have increased the amount of food they serve by about 25% over the past 3 years. It is really nice to go in a bar to watch the game and be able to actually see the TV. we were at a bar in Ky recently and had to leave the smoke was gross and and it all felt to 2oth century.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
if its too damn smokey you're too damn old
smokey ain’t nuthin but a good dawg!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
anyhoots
as luck would have it, I learned a few years back that if I didn’t smoke, I could almost double the number of women who were willing to go out with me.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'm sure it has helped her business.
The smoking ban has ruined just as many places as its helped out.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
yabbit
Nah, I don’t buy that.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i havent been back to that bar in years
sorry, Mads.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
SSS alert
In NYC, bar owners were FURIOUS when the ban went into effect, but it has had little to no effect on their business. On the other hand, if it was up to the bar owner, they would all feel the pressure to allow smoking in order to not lose business, and everyone would just allow smoking.
The only effective regulation is a full ban.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
that's not what i hear
go speak to a bar owner in Cincinnati. business is down. and business is booming across the river in KY.
granted, a full out ban might be more effective when there isnt a choice for the consumers.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
business is down in Cincy because hanging out in Cincy is no fun.
Northern KY generally has better nightlife. Look at every business in town, and business isn’t good. There are larger issues at hand there.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Just wait until the casino is built!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
since you can smoke in the IN ones
im not sure the Over the Rhine casino will draw in the bourgeois.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
yeah, cause that'll be because of the smoking thing
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
and the lower crime rate across the river
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
The loss is your my friend.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Larry's in Columbus
That was my favorite bar in Columbus. It was a campus institution.
It was directly done in by the smoking ban.
Larry’s was one of the few bars around OSU where you could smoke and drink good imported beer on tap. There was no frat or sorority presence and every other Friday they had live bands.
It was always packed and filled with smoke and just about everyone in there drank pitchers or mid-tier beer.
The smoking ban came in and it destroyed the clientele. It went from a hipster/post-punk bar that used to have Iggy Pop, The Dead Kennedys and Bowie on the jukebox to just another frat bar, overnight.
In a span of a month, Journey started popping up on the jukebox and the pitchers of beer where being replaced for $1 Bud Light bottles.
The old clientele used to somewhat clean up the bar and take care of it. The new crowd would dump shit on the ground and even fucked up the pool table.
The old crowd left and with it took the money they were using to buy pitchers of mid-level alcohol. What was left was just another campus frat bar filled with $1 Bud drinkers.
Larry’s was one of the smallest bars around campus it couldn’t recover when the hipster crowd — and its more expensive taste — left and all they were seeling was domestic bottles. And because it was small it was forced to police how many people were coming in — greatly reducing their revenue even further.
Eventually it had to be sold and is now some douche bar called (ready) ‘Sloppy Donkey’s’
The ban of smokers led directly to the appearance to a group of drinkers that destroyed the bar (both in aesthetic and revenue).
This is happening all over the state and is why certain counties and towns are refusing to police this well-meaning but ultimately idiotic law.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sloppy Donkey's you say?
Road trip!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Change is inevitable.
Some thrive on it others whine.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Yes, you're right. Change is inevitable.
But not all change is good. Or wanted.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
That too is true not all change is good or bad. But when change comes one can embrace it, ignore,live with it, whine about or work to create more change.
Everyday life is predicated upon change. (Deep)
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I did work to change it.
I voted against the stupid law and hung around way beyond the point the bar was sufferable.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Boobs
You left “boobs” off the poll, dammit.
Like muffins, I wouldn’t mind a smoking area, as long as the smoke didn’t drift to other areas. Either an industrial-strength fan or an enclosed area could do it.
Like the glass smoking lounge Arnie built at the California capital, so he could smoke his cigars despite Cali’s anti-smoking law.
Of course, it’s now seen as an idiotic waste of taxpayer’s money, but that’s another story.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Dodger Stadium has designated areas, and it works fine - as far as a non-smoker like me can tell.
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
smoke em if you got em
im pro tan women
anti condom
pro alcohol consumption
pro greasy burger, cooked medium rare
anti working out at a gym
neutral on breast augmentation
pro running with scissors
and anti sitting on jch/peach’s couch
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I'm intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That'll always get a rec from me
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I voted yes for the smokers
I smoked some in my teens and early 20s…never got addicted though.
I don’t think one should smoke mainly because of the insane waste of money. Health risks? Yeah, sure, but I have a grandfather who smoked for 70 years and died at 90. And I’ve got a great-uncle who was a smoker who died in his 60s of emphysema.
Anyway, I’m not a believer in the nanny/police state we’ve got going now. People wanna smoke, let ‘em smoke. We shouldn’t legislate morality, or stupidity.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
Agreed
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
so by your logic, drunk driving shouldn't be illegal
hey, if people wanna be stupid, it’s their choice!
(and yeah, I know, drunk driving poses a more immediate danger, but the concept is the same)
Laws in the public’s best interest do not a nanny/police state make.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
He's not arguing that drunk driving should be legal, he's arguing that
what one person choses to put into their body is there own right.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
no matter the effect on others.
the issue isn’t whether it should be illegal, but whether people should be able to do it wherever they want.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They should be able to do it in a bar if the owner is alright with it.
And they certainly should be allowed a smoking deck (or some such thing) if they helped to pay for a publicly funded building.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I strongly and firmly disagree about the bar thing, but I'm fine with a smoking deck somewhere in a ballpark.
But the flipside is, if you’re going to say that people who don’t want to be around smoke just shouldn’t go to a bar, then people who can’t go 3 hours without smoking should just watch the game on TV
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I have no problem with that.
However, I smoker has just as much RIGHT to go out and enjoy going to a bar as a non-smoker does.
Look, there CAN be smoking bars and non-smoking bars. The choice is in the consumer.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
and there are hotter women at the smoking bars!!!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Because you can't see their flaws through the haze!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
cuz they're smokinnnnnnn!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
sure, just like a pedophile does
it’s what they do while they are out that makes the difference.
I can see your logic, but I guess my argument is that for decades the situation you described existed. Any bar owner was free in the 80s or 90s to ban smoking, but pretty much none did. My guess is that’s because of fear of loss of business, even if they wanted to. My point is that by legislating it allows for more worker safety without forcing an owner into a choice.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
do you favor restrictor plate racing in Nascar?
slower is safer!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
That's because the majority of people going to bars smoked
There are a lot more people that drink but don’t smoke nowadays, I would guess.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Did you just compare smokers to pedophiles?
There were plenty of non-smoking places that sold liquor/beer all over Cincy when I was growing up. They did just fine. I doubt it was out of fear of losing business but rather that they just didn’t want to.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know, intentionally ridiculous comparison
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I can go a full game without smoking, no problem
Do it all the time when I have the kiddies with me.
It’s the principality of the matter, Smokey!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
don't nobody go in that bathroom for about 35, 45 minutes
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Actually here's what I would argue
Drunk driving should be legal in that you shouldn’t have the law come down on you if your only offense is that your BAC is above a certain amount.
BUT if as a result of being impaired, you get involved in an accident, then you should have the book thrown at you. The penalties should be severe.
Basically, drunk driving laws are there not to protect us, but to make money for the government. Truly effective laws would actually get the reckless, habitual drunk drivers off the street.
Also, alcohol in your system doesn’t automatically make you a higher risk on the road. In many cases, the driver might actually pay more attention to what they’re doing because they had a few. I’m not kidding when I say that I was afraid to ride with my father (a classic drunk) when he was stone sober, because he never paid attention. He was a much better driver after he had a few drinks. He knew he had to focus.
A bigger problem than drunk drivers is distracted drivers. Some dumb bitch almost hit me yesterday as she almost swerved into my lane. My wife looked over and said “She’s got a cigarette in her hand and is texting while driving”
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 25, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im pretty sure
im a better driver drunk than jch is dead sober. he’s dangerous when trying to get a Fall Out Boy disc in the stereo while texting some Red Reporter Mod and driving his imported steering wheel with his knees. while daydreaming of nudie pics, no doubt.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
All I know is
The times I’ve had car accidents, I was sober. I have driven drunk (or at least “legally” drunk) before and never had an issue.
Actually, the one time I got pulled over by a cop and I was really drunk, I somehow passed the sobriety test. Don’t know how the hell I pulled that off. That incident scared me straight, so no, I don’t drink and drive now.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 25, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well I'll personally say, Thank God for that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ive failed three sobriety tests sober
and zero while “intoxicated”
not even kidding.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Sorry I don't drive like you, PaPaw
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
jch is dangerous in any mode of transportation
that’s why we all want to be with him, apart from his scintillating personality…he is the personification of the word Thrill,
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Can't rec this hard enough
The same goes for other crimes too. Killing a cop or someone of a different race doesn’t make it any more of a murder.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Want to know which gal at the bar is most likely to put out?
Smokers, gals with tattoos, and those drinking brown liquor. They don’t care terribly much what goes into their bodies, so you stand a chance.
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 25, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
aha now we know how jch's prodigious success with the lady folk was once accomplished (prior to the positive rehabiltating influence of the peach).
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
the peach
has tattoos, smokes, and drinks wine.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I've seen photos
She obviously cares about her body…I mean she is a very attractive young lady…
Which brings me to the next question what the hell is she do with jch?
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Wouldn't you like to know!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes please.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
You misspelled the beginning of that word
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Rec the man for finally putting into words my dating philosophy
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I don't see anything wrong with a designated smoking area or allowing someone to re-enter
I’ve snuck a smoke in at the Machine Room restroom in the past. I’ve had buddies ejected for trying something similar though.
I rarely smoke anymore. I kind of like the ban. The ban doesn’t always make the most sense though (e.g., throughout a large and open stadium).
The Macine Room Restroom is where obc, sukr (RIP), and myself got to know each other
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Macine: is that Hillbilly spelling for Mason?
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Look, I take a lot of shit around here
But I’ll be damned if you get to make fun of me for a typo.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
It's not the typo that worries us
If you are in a position of pressing
- World Peace Thermonuclear disaster
-
which button do we trust you with?
We like a stable hand on things.
(somebody mention a chicken?)
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I've covered this in the past
I didn’t make the decision to become a mod, nor did I ever lobby for it. Hell, most of the time I’m a less a mod than an instigator (see: this thread).
Oh, and I prefer Global Thermonuclear War.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
not the mod squad
I just enjoy the banter.
and I also like somebody who prefers global thermo … keeps the chickens wondering.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I grew up where men are men and sheep are skittish
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Keep fuckin' that chicken, Jerms
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I will, as long as I'm allowed to smoke while doing it
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I thought smoking was supposed to be post-coital
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the RPMs
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Back to the topic at hand
Another large slice of fried bullshit is the fact that the stadium is publicly funded, in a large part by smokers. In theory, I contributed more to the financing of the stadium than your average person since I was buying cigarettes (and thereby paying more in sales tax) on top of the purchases every person, smoking or not, makes. Why am I and my fellow smokers being singled out?
Then this grand idea from Portune? Thankfully it didn’t garner much support.
At the end of the day, I want to be free to enjoy my perfectly legal habit the same as any other paying customer. You always hear non-smokers pissing and moaning about “having to be around smokers”. Don’t forget, that works both ways. As a smoker, I don’t wanna listen to someone bitch and moan from 10 feet away in an open air venue about me smoking.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
on the other hand
there’s nothing like loaning a smoke to a damsel in distress at the ballpark. fosters friendliness and interraction. kumbaya.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I'm having a hard time with the "smoker demographic" thing
Because it’s a personal choice, not something you’re born with, like race or sexual orientation.
As a counter example: my tax dollars fund the roads and interstate highway system, but the state of Ohio says I can’t drive on them because I’ve chosen not to take a drivers’ test. (I have no problem with this, of course.) No one’s saying smokers can’t come to the ballpark. They’re just saying they can’t smoke there. Similarly, no one’s saying I can’t use the highways when someone else is driving. They’re just saying I can’t drive on them.
There are probably all kinds of holes in this… let me hear ’em…
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
But are you born with sexual orientation? And is it possible that you're born destined to be an addict?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
is there evidence that documents sexual orientation at birth?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
There could be, I don't know.
But why on earth would anyone choose to be gay in places/situations where they’re hated and discriminated against and even in danger? That’s evidence enough for me.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
so so so different
Smoking kills, but I’ve never heard of a smoker being the victim of a hate crime.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know
My sister’s a lesbian. I just wanted to take a jab at the smokers, let them know they’re hated and discriminated against. Maybe not in danger, though.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
yet
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
For some reason, I just got "Beds Are Burning" by Midnight Oil stuck in my head
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
lets give it baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Because they really like having sex with someone from the same gender?
People dislike me for being a Reds fan here in Illinois — no seriously, in Chicago a guy took a swing at me just because I didn’t like the Cubs.
I do think that sexuality is genetic, but at the same time even if it wasn’t, I would hope that a person doesn’t stop doing something that they enjoy just because someone hates them for it.
(I understand this was a weak analogy, but I played it safe. I didn’t want to open another can of worms)
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
If you haven't noticed, we're making worm stew here
One more can can’t hurt.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Wait, whut?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Fine, but I just want to preference that I do believe sexuality is something you're born with
but for the sake of argument, let’s say it isn’t — it’s something you chose.
Ok, during WWII the Nazis hated Jews and looked to destroy them. Some Jews that died were converts — people that weren’t born Jewish but chose Judaism.
There’s no doubt in my mind that they loved their religion and believed in it just as fervently as anyone born into a Jewish household. Did that stop them from making the ultimate sacrifice for a belief that they loved? No.
So, to answer Muffins
But why on earth would anyone choose to be gay in places/situations where they’re hated and discriminated against and even in danger?
Some people have very high character and are willing to pay the ultimate price in order to make them happy and complete.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
It actually took longer than I thought before the Nazis were brought into this
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
well, Marge was in the other post
So close enough.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I told you I didn't want to open that can of worms
but damnit JCH encouraged me and I’m a lemming!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hitler was a Nazi...and he
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF3SbtYR20&feature=related
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I prefer the one about Bronson blowing up in Toronto
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes but that one ends stupidly
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I'll agree with that.
But the rest of it is gold.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
holy hell
I’d never seen those before. They were both hilarious.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Downfall is a brilliant movie.
But the internet parodies from Downfall are some of the greatest things ever unleashed on the series of tubes.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
This is why I smoke at the stadium, rules be damned
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
faulty logic
people make bad choices all the time. cops have affairs with married women every day in this country…allowing themselves to be hated and even put in danger.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
What now?
I’m sorry I’ve lost track of what your responding to.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
"I do believe sexuality is something you're born with"
not picking on you, but these kinds of statements always make me laugh. i dont believe sexuality is something you’re born with. it’s not something that can be “believed”. i dont believe in gravity either. it just is. whether i want to acknowledge it or not is another matter.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was born with sexuality
And three illegitimate children.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You're right, I meant genetic.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i know what you meant
it always makes me smirk when people “believe” things. just a peeve of mine.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you stole my bobblehead
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i believe that you are a haughty prick :-)
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I'm with ya.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
misspelling is also a peeve of mine
it’s “hotty” :)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand, I'm the same way. I wasn't thinking while typing.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, absolutely.
And maybe? I know alcoholism is genetic, so I wouldn’t be surprised if tobacco addiction is, too.
The main thing is, the law isn’t preventing a demographic from going to public places (tax-funded or otherwise). It’s preventing certain behaviors while they’re in those public places.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Then the next time I see two dudes kiss in a bar, I can admonish them?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
The Googles
they no help
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're on a public computer where your search history can be easily checked
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
Nope, sure didn't
That pic of Demi Moore was pretty disturbing though.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
GIS "if you need me I'll be in my lab", safesearch off
Double dog dare ya.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you just didn't try hard enough
Challenge accepted and fulfilled.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Win, rec'd
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes
For the record, I may not endorsing the message. Just proving that I have crazy awesome googling skills.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
That wouldn't require skills
just a lack of complete laziness.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
at this random place on the internet
^
This is my new phrase for when people ask me where I find something.
Awesome!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I love Lamebook
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
someone should pay you
For your mad googling skills.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I know, right?
I am sooooo employable.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! Sort of.
Not googling, per se, but they were impressed with how closely I’d studied their website. They had some inconsistencies in terminology that I asked about (directly relating to my potential job title). In retrospect, they might have been less impressed and more pissed that I pointed it out.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
You're right I didn't try hard enough. Congrats
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
If it was against the law, you could.
But it isn’t. And it won’t be, not this century.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
No, it makes sense.
But it’s still dumb. (I just typed up a long explanation about why it makes sense and is simultaneously dumb, but it was also dumb. Dumb and boring.)
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Can you properly admonish obc with your tongue in his mouth?
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 25, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn't my tongue
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
im getting you tanning salon visits for your next bday, slim
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Remind me so I can get some razors
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
D#3 is studying molecular genetics...I'll text her and find out...
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I shall return
I need to go walk my illegal dogs. What’s that you say about a nanny state, nyc?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
why are your dogs illegal?
are they underage too? you are shameless
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Pit bulls
Because they’re vicious, you know.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Pit bulls that sell CRACK!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
dude, pit bulls are illegal?
wow, that’s crazy. Good thing they aren’t illegal in the Bronx, the whole borough would be under arrest
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
I was going to say yes, in the city
But then I found THIS development.
Still BS to single out one breed and make people take out insurance though.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
pit bulls are way safer than cigarettes
than only bite your face off.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I love when you stop making sense
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Pit bull owners
are the bigger problem than pit bulls….present company excepted, of course.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 25, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
I’ve been bitten more often by little yappy-ass dogs with Napolean Complexes than I ever have by bog dogs.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
There should have been an "Also" at the beginning of that
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
The Dog Whisperer
often mentions that. He says people let yappy little dogs get away with things they’d never dream of letting a big dog do. That’s why little dogs are so poorly behaved.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
kinda like little Red Reporters
its been my experience the Big Lugs are much more well behaved than the Nap Complexes.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
oh, he didnt train these dogs
truuuuuuuuuuuust me. no way they would have been safe if he was involved in their formulative years.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
good lord
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I am a hell of a dog trainer by the way
You beat ’em. A LOT. So much that sometimes you get tired and have to switch arms.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Not a chance
I drank plenty of milk growing up, my bones and muscles are strong.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Michael Vick?
What are you doing here?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
My point in all of this is simple
I don’t need anyone regulating my personal behavior when it doesn’t directly affect anyone else. Can anyone seriously argue with me about this?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You look dumb and miserable outside when it's cold out
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't
I always look cool. Especially when I’m in shorts as it’s snowing.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
It would directly affect me, because I'm allergic to it.
As a matter of fact, even former smoking-heavy places will cause my respiratory system to close up.
However, I don’t have the right to tell you what to do or not do.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Depends how close they get
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Are sperm people?
Cuz i’m pretty sure JCH and I a mass murderers
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
and I'm a cannibal.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
REC! HOLY SHIT REC!!!
Thread WINNER!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
every sperm is sacrec'd
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Because that would be horrible or something?
Yeah, “gay” is such a hilarious insult! lolz!!!!1111
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jan 27, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he's born with it
maybe it’s gaybelline
by 'tHan on Jan 27, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 28, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
not kidding
and cool out the homophobia, all right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When someone smokes in public places,
it does directly affect others. I couldn’t care less if someone wants to smoke. Just don’t do it around me. Health reasons aside, I can’t stand to smell the crap. It chokes me and I hate to have to wear your smoke home with me. You have every right to smoke. Just please don’t do it where I have to put up with it. A lot of the debate would not be needed if more people who smoke were more considerate. I know a lot of people who smoke that won’t light up around people because they know it bothers some folks. Others will light up and blow it in your face just because It’s America and you can’t tell me what to do.
As for the public bans, I’m for them but I wish there was no need for them. As for businesses creating seperate smoking/nonsmoking sections, it doesn’t work. I couldn’t count the times I’ve sat in a non-smoking section but the table directly beside mine was smoking. Even when there would be a partition dividing the sections, my eyes would burn and I would leave smelling like smoke.
In this poll I voted no. However, I would not be against smokers being allowed to exit the stadium and re-enter at designated gates.
If I am at your home or in your car I will not ask you not to smoke. But, if I am in a public place I shouldn’t have to be affected by it.
by fourrunhomer on Jan 27, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
Obama smokes.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Can you blame him?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, if I had that shrew of a wife of his I'd smoke too
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Gasp!
Say whatever you want about Barack, but speak no ill of Michelle, I beg of you.
IAN! I'm on traain!
Heer Heer
The shrew wife is now Secretary of State…
lets not get our Presidents confused…
Although from what I can tell Nancy was pretty bitchy to Ronnie
’Next time I want you dress up as a construction worker…boy"
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
This, like so many of my other comments in this particular thread, was made solely to fan the flames of argument :)
Michelle Obama seems pretty cool IMO.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I almost took the bait on this one.
I am a huge fan of Michelle’s.
But I let it slide. Glad andromache picked up the slack!
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I am perfectly willing to fall for a trick like that.
defending the awe-inspiring, incredible, Michelle Obama. She’s that great.
IAN! I'm on traain!
You're right. She is that great.
I should have said something two days ago. I was probably too busy being happily baited by something else in this thread. I can’t BELIEVE I’m back in here, by the way.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm shaking my head in disbelief too
DAMN MY OBSESSIVE NEED TO READ EVERY NEW COMMENT ON THIS SITE!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
the burnout will eventually catch up to you
then you’ll have the uncontrollable desire to read everything on the site again, and you’ll be back.
i’ve been through that cycle at least 5 times in the last 4 years
YES!
I’m hoping that need will cease once I’m gainfully employed again…or once you all become unfunny and unintelligent. I hope the former happens much sooner.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
That need will not cease, I assure you.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 27, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's also a White Sox fan
You just have to overlook some things.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take a White Sox fan a million times before I take a Cubs fan
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
So after reading through 2 threads of this garbage, I've come to a conclusion
You are all kinda right.
However, Gray has been the most convincing, so I’ll take his side
by 'tHan on Jan 25, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
he fruits his beer
his opinion is, therefore, deleted
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
looks like you two will be seeing the Valentine's Day flick next month
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
flag'd
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I don't smoke, but what about me?
Did I help their cause or worsen it?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Don't look to that dumbass for validation
You done good, son.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
But I just wannnnnna beeeeloooooonggggg!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did you ever consider the possibility that I never wanted to make a point?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i consider that every day i talk to you
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
It's because I didn't have good rearing in my formulative years
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
So all you non smokers out there
Surely you have been offered a cigarette at some point……did you try it? If so what stopped you from taking up the habit? If you didn’t was it because of health concerns or the social stigma.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
bingo
you read me like a book. or, I mean… like whatever it is that the cool kids read.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Read you like a Surgeon General's Warning?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I've actually never been offered a cigarette.
I never got to practice my “just say no” skillz. I was offered a cigar once, but turned it down. I just think they’re gross. The health thing was probably the main reason, I don’t know.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Girls who smoke are pretty cool
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
If you say so.
In the course of my life, I’ve put less effort toward being cool than Ryan Freel has put toward staying off the DL.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Or not driving drunk.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
"She tasted like cigarettes, Lt. Dan."
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I've never smoked a cigarette
It’s something I’m kind of proud of, but don’t normally go around trumpeting. I never saw much upside to smoking. Perhaps it’s because both my parents work in a hospital treating cancer, so naturally I’ve gotten the “don’t smoke” talk a number of times. I don’t think they were particularly heavy-handed about it though. The kids I knew that did it (most of my friends in high school) never seemed cool because of it. It’s just something that’s never held any appeal for me.
Now that I’m older, I appreciate the financial hit I’m not taking from cigarettes. I appreciate my senses of taste and smell not being fucked up. I used to go to smokey bars like Farney all the time, and thought the smoke in the air added to the atmosphere. Now after smoking bans in several areas, I haven’t noticed a lack of ambiance, and I appreciate not smelling like an ashtray when I come at night.
I’m not actively out to ban smoking. If you want to do it, fine. It’s your right. However, I feel no compunction to stand up for those rights. Smoking bans? Fine by me. If smoking does get outlawed some day? Whatever.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
You're missing out sir.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't know anymore.
Everywhere I’ve lived since leaving college has had a smoking ban.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Is it statewide in IL?
Or just your podunk town?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Statewide, brotha.
And Chicago is the worst. You really can’t even smoke outside unless your crossing the street — something about 10 feet in front of a business
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
They have that here in DC too
A lot of the federal buildings have signs indicating where you can begin smoking. Again, I don’t smoke, so it doesn’t bother me.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Like I've said. I don't smoke either, but it bothers me
that this country continually goes after this one vice and treats its users like criminals. Being a guy that likes to believe that personal freedom is the best attribute of this country, it bugs me. Especially when such things are carried to include OUTSIDE. Where there are cars and all kinds of other possibly damaging air pollutants.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
when is the last time anyone on this site read the Constitution?
and these are the top 1%‘ers. most folks in society aren’t concerned with freedom. NIMBY is a much more prevalent thought process.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I hate NIMBY thinking
Because most people who think like that don’t care if it goes in somebody else’s backyard. In Cincinnati, that meant it would end up in my neighborhood.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Incidentally, when was the last time you read the Constitution?
How are smoking bans violating it?
IAN! I'm on traain!
well, we regulate air quality
In other ways, too. Like emissions standards on cars.
And as someone who grew up in a neighborhood that was rated as having the worst air quality in the state of Ohio, I will never say anything bad about those regulations.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
It still isn't healthy.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
the 10-ft thing is actually the rule in Ohio, too
But that part’s not enforced at all. Walking up Walnut St. from the river to Government Square was like walking a gauntlet of cigars.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, that example actually
backs up your point that business owners should be allowed to set their own rules on smoking. If all those cigar smokers could smoke inside the cigar shop, I’d have a healthier walk to the bus. Damn.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
So the buses and car exhaust can pollute you instead of the smokers. :)
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
The heart of the matter:
I had an uncle who died of lung cancer, despite never smoking. Since then, a ton of my cousins, including his son, have started smoking. Maybe I’m dense and naive, but I just don’t get it— why would they knowingly set themselves up for the pain and suffering he went through?
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, they realize that there's only one go and life ain't worth living unless you try
as much as you can.
I’m not saying that’s what they believe or what I believe but I know people like that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of the way I look at life
There’s no logical answer as to why I’m alive right now, might as well make the most of it.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I can understand that sentiment
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I've had near death experiences myself
It never once made me even think about taking up smoking. It’s just something that I don’t do. Sort of like, “You were just in a serious car crash ‘nukkah, and should probably be dead right now. Why don’t you celebrate your new lease on life by breathing underwater for a month?” No. Why would I?
I don’t mind that you smoke. I just don’t think it’s a case of being inhibited if someone doesn’t.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I would never do coke or crack or acid or PCP, etc.
Hell I’ve never smoked weed. But I don’t hold it against those that do and I can’t blame those that do have a ‘fuck it, let’s do it’ attitude.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Believe it.
Just because I look high doesn’t mean I am. If I smoked, I’m pretty sure my eyelids would just close shut.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Pretty much.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
But probabl more like this
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
You're not helping your whole "I don't smoke" cause with that pic, ya know
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Oh I know.
I’m just saying, that’s what I would look like if I did.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Until they kill my little brother
in a shootout over a coke deal, or driving while high. Come on!
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
I believe more time, energy and money is wasted onfighting illegal drugs than anything else in this country. You legalize it and a lot of those problems go away.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention regulate the quality and collect taxes
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I do wonder if they won't try this with at least marijuana
If the economy continues to tank, I’d think that all cards would be on the table.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Now's the question -- do you ban pot in public?
It’s healthier than cigarettes. (Still bad but healthier)
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agree 100 percent with that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, but the second hand smoke in bars would be a bigger deal with pot
because you’d be getting high.
I wouldn’t mind legalization, though. I know my building would sure be happy, damn pothead.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
*potheadz
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Like you, I never smoked weed either
I wouldn’t have a problem seeing it legalized, but I don’t know about just lighting it up wherever. Home use and special parlors, I think.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be cool with that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
special parlors you say?
Would they serve alcoholic drinks in such a place?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You should.
You’d makd BANK!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
*make, even
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
but then it would be a bar and people who don't smoke weed might be inconvenienced
So no bar for you, sorry.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
There are plenty of hookah bars around, even in places with smoking bans
And I’m pretty sure they serve alcoholic drinks there. You can find a happy medium.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
My point precisely
Why can there not be smoking bars and non-smoking bars? Why does smoking have to be banned at all bars?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
And for god's sake, what about the people who work there?????
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
It is in Ohio
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
It's getting seriously restricted in Virginia
And Virginia is prime tobacco country. It’s the way of the world, my friend.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I just like to piss and moan and scream while creating conversation.
You know, the Nazis hated smoking too.
Crap, I’m late.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
(I'm not arguing with you by the way, just the general sentiment toward smoking in bars)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
What the hell were you doing while I was being given a tour????
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
hanging with Ash
trying to validate my heterosexuality!
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
So you're saying Ash has a smokie bone?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
like Perkins and IHOPs
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Jan 25, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
cracked me the hell up
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Green'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
That certainly explains a lot
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
The only drug I probably wouldn't want to see legalized in meth
That’s some nasty nasty stuff. Hell, I guy I talked to for a while at my HS reunion this summer just got nailed for having a lab, pot, pills, and guns in his suburban home…kids and all.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
WINNAR!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I offered to put in a good word for him since he said he was in media sales
Glad I was never asked for that reference.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Bingo
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that.
Not sure about straight legalization, but drug abuse is a health care issue, not a criminal issue. But the ultimate point is to get people not to abuse drugs and therefore, as I said, not to kill my little brother. So I take issue with the “anything goes” flippant air you implied.
Marijuana is different from cocaine, etc., though. I could see legalizing that.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
How many little brothers get killed over cigarettes and beer?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Fewer
than there would be if we didn’t have laws against drunk driving and smoking in public places.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, I don't believe in the 'anything goes' mantra
either. I just know plenty of people that follow it — within reason — and I can’t blame them for that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not worried about living a long healthy life
I’m playing with house money, and a lot of it. There’s not a whole lot I won’t try just to see what it’s like. Smoking happened to stick. I think I could have chosen much worse vices, and being made a social pariah by the government pisses me off.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
How do you know it was smoking that caused it?
Not being a dick, just asking.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
that caused what?
His cancer? It wan’t. My uncle never smoked. But smoking does increase the odds of getting lung cancer. So they’re increasing their odds after personally seeing someone suffer through it.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
That kind of suggests a genetic element (especially if he was relatively young). You’d kind of think they’d want to avoid increasing the risk, at least if they were blood relatives.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
no, I never tried it
I’m not an idiot ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 25, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd to hell and back, I started giggling
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
ive smoked plenty of times
and loved it. still do on occasion. but like any bad thing, i know when enough is enough.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I'll admit to doing that once or twice.
At least I was told I did this once or twice.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone ever considered the possibility....
That people who smoke and pass the habit along will eventually evolve and become immune to the ill effects while killing off the non-smokers, who were born without the proper immunity?
Darwin would be so proud he’d drive around the block in reverse.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Now that's a thought that's gonna fester
Well played.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
no
Because smoking generally doesn’t kill you until after you’re past breeding age (over 50).
Not to mention the side effects…
However, I have read studies that suggest some people are immune to the harmful effects of smoking. At least when it comes to lung cancer. These are the fabled “smoked two packs a day and lived to be 100” folks. They have a genetic mutation that protects them. But they are rare – something like 1-3% of the population.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And they will eventually rule the world
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I call them X-Men
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
They're coming for the mutants next, bub
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Don't even get me started on that shit.
Smoking is one thing. But I have a real big problem with censorship — especially that kind of censorship.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't mind it because i'm old enough to watch r rated movies
however it might trick me into watching a movie without boobies when i had the expectations that there would be boobies.
that would piss me off.
God, I love boobies.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
im pretty sure smoking doesnt cause impotence
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
don't worry
Nothing a little Viagra won’t fix, I’m sure…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Or smokers will pass the habit and they'll eventually die off, leaving smarter people behind?
natural selection works many ways
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Not in my mind, as a smoker
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
anyone else think Kirk is going to win Obama's Senate seat?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Ok, I'm out for a bit
Everyone in here behave.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions
Not a chance, fuckface
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
yeah, cuaffle
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
via The Fay
The article sorta hints that his brain tumor might be due to ’roiding, but he denies ever juicing.
He’s doing okay, but I guess he’s not going to be back playing baseball. He’s on government disability now.
He stays with Lance Berkman’s in-laws when he’s in Houston for treatment.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Sucks for Ricky
But Charlie Davies is doing okay. Before you go throwing the term “foot fairies” around again, read the part about where doctors had to cut along the crown of his head AND PEEL OFF HIS FUCKING FACE.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I just saw that a little bit ago
It really is an amazing story.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 25, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I just read it again
Charlie Davies is my hero. That accident was only a little bit more than 3 months ago. To be up and running around again. Wow.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 25, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
pshaw
Brett Favre would have limped back out there and thrown an INT.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 25, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm so glad
we don’t have to see Brett Favre tear up yet again.
At least not until he announces his “retirement.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I'm surprised he didn't do it today to steal the Saints/Colts thunder
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
good lord.
The commenter said it best: Davies is the only man alive who can call Anquan Boldin a pussy.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Charlie Davies: A REAL FUCKING MAN!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you mean a Smoak break?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Very enlightening thread
I am just glad I no longer wake up every day and hack half my guts out before I have to grope around for my first cigarette of the day.
Rights or wrongs, restaurants, bars, dogs, asteroids and Ziploc bags … I just say I been there, done that. If you can quit, quit. If you need 10 tries to get it done, try it 10 times.
Fuck the tobacco companies!
The bastards are evil.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
FTFY
Fuck the tobacco companies!
The bastards are evil.
I actually plan on quitting, and soon. I don’t have any health issues from it but I’m also not a dummy.
The purpose of this thread was never to defend smoking, but rather the freedom to decide whether or not to smoke and being given the opportunity to smoke in a public, open air venue reasonably.
Then things got weird, as is wont to happen here. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Now I'm gonna go have a cigarette in celebration of my coolness.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You know what I didn't realize? Barry Bonds finished with 2,935 hits
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
And Ichiro has 3,308 career hits, DAYUM
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'll get killed for this I'm sure
But he’s the best pure contact hitter I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Just me in here? Sweet.
I FUCKING LOVE PEANUT BUTTER!!!!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Hey buddy.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 25, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just discovered I have a peanut intolerance
made me realize how much I used to eat them. They put peanuts in everything.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
Cashew butter is really good (esp. raw)
by Eastwindquinn on Jan 26, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it is
and hard to find on the cheap up in CT
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
peanuts on pizza
That’s just weird, dude.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Don't ask me, I was just being efficient
I can’t believe I’m the only person here who had peanuts, corn, and pizza as lunch.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm 90% sure you went to school at a Lone Star Steakhouse
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 25, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
That would explain the diarrhea
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
HEY 'THAN
Who’s your buddy, who’s your pal????
Nardone Bros.(I think this is the one)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 25, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Probably have to call them, I would imagine
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
KMBA
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
What's the L for?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
WTF is a topic??
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
They go on ice cream
they’re like sprinkles and gummy bears and stuff.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lungs
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Oh boy ...
who’s going to post the baby/aborted baby photo?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but ... but what if it's Slyde?
/head asplodes
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
"I saw them in the pool giving each other ban jobs."
“I’m only telling you this because you’re such a good friend.”
by Brendanukkah on Jan 25, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it's on the roof
I’ll sell you this elevator pass so you can get up there. Just $3.59.
by the finest muffins on Jan 25, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But I could buy a school pizza for that price!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I can get you that same pass for Tree-fitty!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
God damned succubus!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
A ban-off!
It’ll be like the Wild West.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 25, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
It would be like dividing by zero
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Both of those lungs belong to a dead person so,
I’m having a hard time finding that effective.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Should I post some pics of the lungs of a living smoker?
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
The lung pics are simply the facts
Nothing but the facts.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Can't believe the number of facists we have amoung us
Seriously NO at 42%, it’s already taxed high what’s wrong with an area where smokers can feed their addiction? I don’t want to blow it in a pregnant woman’s face like jch, but I mean an area for adults to smoke is not a big deal.
I live in Louisville which has an indoor smoking ban at bars. When I go out in Indiana, which doesn’t I smoke about a pack of ciggerettes and it really kicks my ass the next day. It’s either that or the ice in my Jack Daniels, that fucks with me.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions
for the record
i think the majority of those commenting have said they would be ok with a smoking area in the park.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
But not the ball park..
However there is a movement afoot to create a RR smoking area at GABP…
and although I’m not a smoker,, I would endorse this movement because the good we do here at RR more than balances out the evils of smoking.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
trying the signature
You should follow me on twitter @DavefrmLville....the Onion does!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 25, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions
17 people voted no
Would any of those 17 like to explain why I shouldn’t be allowed to have a cigarette when it in no way affects your Great American Ballpark experience?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Kentuckians for the Commonwealth?
So, yeah, KFTC
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Won't somebody think of ken???
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
What should be done to keep Cubs fans out of the ballpark?
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Turn Indiana into a pit of fire?
Or a really deep lake? With no bridges?
by the finest muffins on Jan 26, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
The most annoying ones are the ones that live here
And show up in their Ron Santo jersey and think they know anything other than how to be drunk and fugly.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
"In other news, the state of Indiana has seen an unexplainable spike in property values.....more on this, after the game."
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
/Gary'ed
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 26, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I voted no
Mainly because I knew it would piss you off……
That and there is this:
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
What a thug
UK loses to South Carolina tonight, you heard it here first!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
UK wins by 25
USC has Downey and………..that is it
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
This is like the Interception prediction
just predict a UK loss every game and eventually you’ll be right.
Oh no, you've figured out my strategy!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Really?
Where’s btcoop71, ’tHan, and the rest of the UK fans? You would surely posted a smartass reply had UK “won by 25”.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Right here
Story of teh game was rebounding. Even with Downey going for 30, UK lost because they got abused on the boards.
That #1 didn’t last long…..
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Downey went for 30, but he did not play well.
He only shot 9-29. That’s turrible. Like you said, UK didn’t rebound like they should have.
Also, they should’ve gone into Cousins and Patterson every trip down the floor. South Carolina had no answer for Cousins, and Patterson never touched the ball in the 2nd half. Also, UK consistently bailed out Downey with silly fouls.
Patterson just flat out vanished
Like you said, UK’s biggest advantage was inside……..and only Cousins showed up.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I didn't get to watch much of it to be honest
I just watched a little at the beginning and a little at the end. Cousings had a big game, didn’t he?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Cousins was the only one who showed up...27 and 12
Wall had 0 assists in the first half, Patterson only scored 5, and Bledsoe only scored 4.
USC deserved to win that game.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Yikes
Wht did Wall do? Near the end I watched him go down the lane at will twice, I figured he would have done that all night.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Whoops, I read "Wall" in your post as "we"
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
2 points
Congrats on predicting the game. That now puts you at 1-19 on UK related predictions this year.
Also, you were hardly the first to predict it. Seth Davis has been saying that would be UK’s first loss for 2 months now. So good job relaying what Seth Davis said.
Who the hell is Seth Davis?
And this was my second prediction of a UK loss this year, the first being against L’Ville. I’d rather be 1-1 the other way.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
lots of banter on this
I was among those who voted “yes” to your minipoll, jch.
I defend your right to smoke and if you did it in the area where I was, I’d be all right with that.
I am a smoker who has chosen not to light up in the last 2 years. But I do not intend to preach it. I strongly advise efforts you make to quit, knowing how difficult that is going to be. Or if you choose to not quit, you also have my support.
You just can’t win. If everyone on the RR board supported your right to have a smoking area at the ballpark, the majority of the country doesn’t post on this blog.
I don’t actually “know” anybody on this board but having read the threads and comments over the past weeks, I feel that I have developed a kinship with your names and attitudes. If you were just somebody I saw on the street who wanted a personal smoking area, I wouldn’t even address your question.
In a sense, we’re all weighing in on this as “friends” inside a vacuum.
And I can assure you that there are dozens of events that could occur at the ballpark that would negatively affect my experience, some of them including bawling brats, annoying Cubs fans, people who stand up and do the wave, people who constantly yell something stupid to the third base coach … but somebody who is standing behind the post down in the right field corner having a quiet smoke, no way does that bother me.
I just go back to where I’ve been on this as a smoker who has chosen to not smoke.
Please consider trying to quit. Once you achieve that, your opinion on this topic will truly change.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 26, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My opinion doesn't hinge on whether or not I smoke
It’s a personal freedom issue with me.
I’m also opposed to having a sex offender registry, as I believe it to be unconstitutional. Everyone told me my opinion would change when I had kids, but it didn’t.
(see what I did there?)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
That said, I rec'd you because you're speaking the truth. Common sense should prevail.....even though it probably won't
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
personal freedoms
… fairly dicey stew, that topic.
I won’t try to draw any parallels between cigarettes and child abusers.
My right to free speech does not allow me to yell fire in a crowded theater.
There is the matter of personal responsibility that connects at the hip to constitutional rights.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
True enough
I was just stirring the pot with the sex offender registry bit, although I do believe it should be abolished. Impractical, unenforcable, and unconstitutional. If you really think someone is a threat to society and need to keep tabs on them, KEEP THEIR ASS IN JAIL.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 26, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sex offenders list
takes us clear off topic. I agree in principle with you on this to a point and we could send this thread in a dozen directions. Biggest problem is, I agree, unenforceability by a public that doesn’t understand what the law is trying to do. As if anybody could understand the perversion of the human mind.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Smoking is a personal choice... I completely support your right tochoose to smoke if you are stupid enough to want to...none of my biz.
I dnon’t want you smoking in an enclosed place around my family but…
Anyway I don’t think that being a pedophile is a choice or at this point fixable. So these are way too divergent of issue to compare.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
sex offender registery
i agree wholeheartedly. the problem is, sex crimes legislation is written by politicians, and the most 100% sure-fire slam dunk of political posturing is to be “tough on sex crimes”. it’s really unfortunate (not to mention grotesquely fascist), but it’s the world we live in. that’s one of those things that will never, ever, ever change.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why shouldn't I be allowed to have a completely smoke-free environment?
just for the sake of argument, I’m turning that around.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Um... here's how
They put a sign up that says “non-smokers not permitted in this area.”
Or, “you may enter here and choose not to smoke, but don’t bellyache about people who are doing it.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 26, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do your "rights" trump mine?
Can we not coexist? How often do you visit the lower level of the RF concourse during a game?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
the argument wavers
If the ball club says that you can come into the stadium but you can’t smoke, you’ve agreed to that. If you are unhappy with that policy, you can choose to spend your entertainment dollars elsewhere. I think the Reds is willing to gamble on that one.
I don’t think the team cares diddly squat about anybody’s rights.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I know full well that the Reds don't give a damn
About me, ZJiff, or anyone else. It’s straight cash as far as they’re concerned.
ZJiff asked why he wasn’t “allowed to have a completely smoke free environment”. I argue that he would easily have that even with the existence of a smoking area on the edge of the stadium.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
the Florence Freedom love you
dollar beers and cigarettes. and better lineup construction.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
And they leave the back door open!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'd argue that the Reds care diddly squat about their fans in general
Look at the damn product they’ve fielded over The Lost Decade.
Unacceptable
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Explain how.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
because 2nd hand smoke is harmful to people's health
that’s all the explanation that’s needed. it’s simple.
Okay, something a little more complex then
Explain how me smoking on the lower level of the RF concourse is harmful to someone’s health when they’re sitting 150’ away behind what amounts to a wall. Not even mentioning that the prevailing winds blow toward the river.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
What was the issue in question, then? That nonsmokers have more rights than smokers?
Sounds like a case for the ACLU if you ask me.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
no
the “right” to not have to endure 2nd Hand Smoke
trumps the "right" to smoke.
you’re trying to complicate and derail the argument.
No one is having to endure 2nd hand smoke, that's the part you keep conveniently not mentioning
Both “rights” can be respected. It’s simple.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
They're related
If you vote no on a smoking area, you’re not respecting smokers’ rights.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
that's fine
but the isolated incident i’m talking about is when it’s a smokers rights vs. a non smokers rights.
in that instance, the non smoker trumps the smoker
Why? Is the smoker less deserving of personal rights?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Isn't the non-smoker putting themselves in harm's way by being around the smoke?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
smoking is like sex
It’s fine in the privacy of your own home, among consenting adults.
Unless you disturb the neighbors, of course…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
haha
I totally saw that article yesterday. Stumbled upon it :P
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
As I wrote on another comment
When the day comes that you quit smoking for real, your opinion on this topic will change. Now, that isn’t the same thing as having a different opinion about pedophiles.
Just believe me … you will really not actually give a damn about smokers rights on the day you are completely convinced you are done with smoking.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
actually, a lot, since I prefer to sit in the moon deck.
I actually agree with you about GABP, it’s a big enough place that we can share. I appreciate the ban in restaurants, since my restaurant choices are not as limited by ’if I eat here, will my lungs close off and cause me to die?"
Also, personal rights rarely affect only the person using them.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
"personal rights rarely affect only the perosn using them"
Welcome to Earth, enjoy your stay. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
OI have no problem with non-smoking restaurants
Bars I have a bit of an issue with, but I’m cool with not smoking at restaurants the same as I’m cool with not smoking on an airplane.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well, rights and schmites
The Cincinnati Reds have no dog in your fight for your rights. They don’t care if you smoke. They just don’t want you doing it on their property. Yeah, maybe the ball park is “owned” by the city, but the city gave the team the task of managing it.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Was it the Reds' decision though? I thought it was the state law that banned it.
I could be wrong.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Well, the team can't make state law
… so if the decision were up to them, WWTRD?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
We should ask that dude whose sister-in-law works for the Reds to find out for us
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I believe that GABP qualifies under these statutes as a "public place."
The terms explained.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
I do agree
… my oldest and fondest memories of the ballpark, which pre-date almost everyone who posts here … old Crosley Field.
The place smelled like bus exhaust, peanuts and yes, cigar smoke. We didn’t even think twice about that, because that was how the ball park was SUPPOSED to smell. The allure of that old-time memory occasionally comes back to me as I see the sterile environment of public life now.
I wish I could have that smell without the health issues that went with it. Old Crosley was a place for a kid. It was a fuckin’ SHRINE.
That, I miss.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
That's kind of what I've been driving at throughout all of this
I’m only 33 and the world seems exponentially more sterile (that word captures it perfectly, well done) than when I was a kid.
Society doesn’t exist in a vaccuum. Everyone seems to be caught up in the “what about MY rights” mindest instead of “what about EVERYONE’S rights” mindset which I believe would be far more beneficial to everyone involved in the long run.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
And I'd gladly buy you a drink if you ever want to come out and meet us sometime
I’d say we could discuss the ills of the world more thoroughly then, but I’d be drinking and probably just end up calling obc & ‘tHan names because they won’t stop being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Somehow I get the feeling obc and I would be good friends.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Fine, I didn't want to be your friend anyway.....
Oh, and good luck with that. We love him, but he’s a huge PIA. Reminds me of Foghorn Leghorn in a way. Failhorn Leghorn?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Hey, I think we'd be friends too, for the record.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Oh, it's too late now mister "I love obc and want to run away one weekend and get married to him"
Only one way to find out, hombre. Game 2! :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you chased sukr away from me
now you’re trying to block zjiff also.
who’s next, westie?
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Not yet.....
not yet.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Man, I didn't realize y'all were so possessive.
Look, I just want to love everyone!
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
That's rather whorish.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your comment's rather boorish
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
And your complexion is rather Morish.
Watch out, OBC will want you.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
yon Cassius
has a lean and hungry look.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
you can love me
from the other side of the ballpark. Over here, I want to be left alone with my Marlboros.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
YEEEAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
That's my job, didn't you hear?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I was going to type that about you but I went with the
whore joke instead.
Glad it was just left floating around in the air.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
there are lots of whore jokes
Most of them are not amusing to whores.
Let’s consider everyone’s rights, OK?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Leave my ex out of this
She was never right.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
that is NOT what she told her friends
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
BOOM! REC'D!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Nope.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I need to stop posting on this thread.
I have to go to work now.
smoke
em
if
ya
got
em.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
well, the soapbox is open for the moment
First, off the folks who keep thumping the rights bible are annoying … just a little.
Smokers are the whipping boy for health issues because it’s an identifiable cause of illness.
So are all the folks who insist on having their fuckin’ cell phones attached to their ear while they try to make a left turn into traffic. I also have to listen to them talk about their menstrual cycles in the line at the market … on the phone with their friend … yadda yadda (enough on that one.)
I also remember a few years back when Big Tobacco was told to pay 583 billion schamolians to the states to cure the evils of smoking. The states conveniently took the money and built bridges across hiking trails for nonsmokers and spent exactly $3,500 on some posters telling high school kids that smoking stinks. Meanwhile, none of it went to help us quit cigarettes. States said they were sorry. (The only way we learned of this in Indiana was when a group got caught scamming the money.)
So when we discuss this topic, all aspects of it are on the board, not just you folks who worry so much about rights. Smoking is a habit, an addiction. Not a crime.
Final line on this: I quit smoking. I wish everyone would or could.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
And in conclusion when's the next RR burgerfest????
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Burgers are soooooooo 2009 Mads, where have you been?
This year is BBQ. I nominate Walt’s!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Raxx is up first
its the TTC of bbq.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
If this keeps up, Arby's will be the H&T of the BBQ tour
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 26, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
They have rasberries on their "website"
Failhorn Leghorn strikes again.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Attack the idea, not the person
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
BBQ Revue will triumph
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, we can check that one off the list
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 26, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Like I said, I wanna make Mt. Adams B&G up to those attended
And I think I have a solution.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
BBQ Revue has been my fave since the mid 90's
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
jch, obc, 'tHan, BK
I owe you.
So, jch wanted a good burger and one beer as payback.
So, I offer you these two options:
1. I’ll pick up the tab for 4 burgers & 4 beers at either Zip’s, or TTC, or at a place of which the 4 of you agree upon.
2. I’ll pick up the tab for 4 BBQ meals, & 4 beverages at either BBQ Revue, Big Art’s, Walt’s, City Barbeque, or Jim Dandy’s. I stand by those 5 (which could bite me in the ass, but hey, I think those are some of the best in Cincinnati).
If you wanna wait and collect in person, I’ll be in Cincinnati in June. If you don’t wanna wait, then lemme know the when (time and date), and I’ll take care of the damages for your evening.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
wow
you are brave. this is a very generous proposal!
I don’t know that we’ll take you up on it, but we’ll definitely meet up with you when you’re in town.
Careful for what you wish
I really like to drag people to Dilly Deli when I’m in town on my weekend smash & grabs
My typical smash & grab typically involves flying into Columbus on a Friday, grabbing lunch with a friend in Columbus (usually The Blue Danube, BD’s Mongolian BBQ, Thurman’s, or Chipotle), driving down to Cincinnati and then hitting the following options for Friday dinner Saturday lunch Saturday dinner, and then time permitting Sunday lunch (Dilly Deli, Chipotle – if I didn’t hit it in Columbus, BD’s Mongolian BBQ – since there’s one in Mason now, Zip’s, Taco Casa, The Precinct, Palomino, Red Squirrel, The Back Porch, Claddaugh, Skyline, Eddie Merlot’s, F-ing Good Cupcakes, Aglamesis, Nada, Tellers, BBQ Revue, Primavista, Barresi’s, Boca, DaVeed’s, Palace, Knotty Pine on the Bayou, The BonBonerie).
Needless to say, I go back to CT very full.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
They don't have it here in CT
What I’ll usually do is drive to Framingham, MA (100 miles one way, typically between 75 and 90 mins) at least once a month and eat @ Chipotle, and grab at least 3 to go (since they reheat surprisingly well in the oven). I also hit up Trader Joe’s while in Framingham, b/c my wife and I drink about a case of wine a month, and we drink this really cheap stuff called Charles Shaw (aka 3 Buck chuck) which I’ve only been able to find @ Trader Joe’s in MA (since we have Trader Joe’s in CT, but they lack the proper liquor licenses)
As previously stated, last Summer when I was on my way back from watching the Nats host the Reds, we stopped in Baltimore to catch the Orioles host the Braves. Before the game I put down 2 burritos in 1 sititng just to see if I could do it. I did, but wow the hotel bathroom (and my travel companions) paid the price later.
So yes, I love Chipotle.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
If you come down to see the Nats host the Reds this season
Say hi.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 26, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I could in 2010
June 5th I have a big charity golf tourney where we’ve won the last 2 years, so we’re trying to 3-peat.
Team Shirt
Black/Silver
Team Shoe
White/Black
Nah, I don’t take team golf tournaments seriously at all….
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
A Republican from Connecticut who's big into golf?
Well now I’ve heard everything!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not from. I just live here b/c of my wife.
I’m from the Kenwood area.
Left OH in 2005, have only been back to visit.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 27, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Palomino, Primavista
I couldn’t remember these two during the food portion of JCH’s Cincy trip write up. Thank you.
HEY JCH! Add those two places to the food part of your Cincy trip post.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
gotta be in person
no chance we accept a free tab in absentia.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Fair enough
You guys know my list of usual suspects, although I’m not opposed to trying new Cincinnati gems (hint hint, I’ve never been to Bard’s!)
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just wanna do that crazy challenge
looking @ jch’s pictures again made me all kinda hungry
I’ve only been to H&T’s once, and I only remember it being really cheap and they didn’t take cash (someone had to cover me).
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I meant
didn’t, only…. po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe…..
You recommend I give H&T’s another go?
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
New Orleans To Go in Tri-County
has officially passed Knotty Pine on the best Cajun in cincy list, and half the cost to boot. and i love me some Knotty Pine…
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
Where in Tri-County?
I’ll have to check that out, since I usually hit up Dave & Busters when I’m in town.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Taco Casa sucks now too
Although I’ve heard that they used to be awesome.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 26, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I only go to Taco Casa for the taco salad
With extra buttermilk ranch
The one near or in Oakley has slipped, but I usually hit up the one @ Harper’s Point since it’s closer to my parents’ house & office
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I went to the one in Oakley once
For a place famous for their taco salads, being out of lettuce and chicken (at least, the time I went there) isn’t good for business. Especially with a Chipotle next door that is always packed.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
I actually stopped going to the one in Oakley once Chipotle moved in
And I always get the ground beef taco salad, never the chicken, and I go light on the lettuce.
When I was in HS, our Government teacher got us hooked on that place, and with Government being the 1st class after lunch, at least twice a month he talked one of us into running down to pick up Taco Casa for the whole class during our normal lunch period and then eating it during Government.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 26, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, what 'tHan said.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 26, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
After the fact
I’ve realized that I did in fact smoke in my seat at a game last year, when no one else was anywhere near me. If there had been a smoking area, this would not have happened.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You TOLD!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
What can I say? I'm an open book.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
And this is that book
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 26, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
"when no one else was anywhere near me"
BS: Ash and I were there. Oh wait, you are correct.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ash drove away everyone with her volume
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
She can get loud.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 26, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
i wish i hadn't missed this thread
you know those “don’t like it, leave” comments from smokers to non-smokers? i say, don’t like non-smoking? don’t go. we’ve had to deal with your stench for years. you endanger our health, you make our clothes and hair stink after leaving a place, you add to the pollution on the planet, you throw your butts on the ground.
want to smoke? you have a choice. STAY HOME. that’s what you tell us to do.
by Daedalus on Jan 27, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh YES! It starts AGAIN!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Just think
If I hadn’t moved the convo over here, the last travel guide story would have over 1100 comments at this point. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 27, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New RECORD!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Also, as a non-smoker here, what gives the non-smoker more right to go out than the smoker?
This is my main issue with the ban.
You can easily have smoking and non-smoking places — simply allow the owner of the establishment to decide for her/his self. The government doesn’t need to be involved.
Yes, public facilities should be smoke free, but offering a smoking section shouldn’t be out of the question — smokers helped pay for places like GABP, too.
I’m tired of this country treating smokers like criminals for partaking in a legal vice. Smokers aren’t crackheads (thouth I suspect some are, like some non-smokers are as well) Stop treating them like such.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I can't recall exactly ,,,,,,,
what my last comment was on this, not that it was all that memorable.
But I do assert that while smoking isn’t a crime outside ordinances that regulate it, the issue for me is that we — as a society — begin to look for ways to
a. help people quit
b. make sincere efforts to keep them from starting
How we do this is to not treat smokers like criminals and begin to do what we said we were going to do and actually begin the real process of getting our WORLD past the habit. Yes, it’s worse in other cultures, esp. Asia.
Stop with the rights crap, folks. This goes beyond rights. If you quit, and I did, you will suddenly be so indifferent to smokers rights that it’s amusing.
To summarize: If you can quit, do that. If want to try, it’s worth the effort. If you fail, try again.
Fuck tobacco companies! They’re evil.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I get your point.
But I sort of wish you would stop throwing around the phrase “treating smokers like criminals.” Even though I have only a cursory knowledge of the criminal justice system, I find this to be ridiculous hyperbole. “Treating smoking like it’s a crime” is more reasonable, but that’s actually a lot different – as we punish criminals in all aspects of their lives, and we only punish smokers to the extent that they smoke.
IAN! I'm on traain!
Ummm... if you were a smoker
You would understand that it’s not hyperbole.
I am a reformed smoker. The treatment is less than humane. After I quit and began to smell smoke on others, the way I used to smell, I began to understand.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I still disagree.
I don’t doubt your experiences as a smoker – but I do wonder about your experiences as a criminal.
IAN! I'm on traain!
well I concede
your point about hyperbole is accurate. It’s one of those “oft-stated” comments that we have learned to use … “urban legend” or “it’s going around” sort of statement.
I can safely say my criminal record hovers just at the zero mark.
I do have trouble defending smokers these days as a COPD victim of my own absurd lifestyle. I stand on the principle that I would like to see people quit rather than complain about not being allowed to smoke.
Which is generally a crime these days in public places.
“Yes, we will arrest you for smoking.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I have convictions
Both personal and criminal. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Fair enough.
My main point is that government-sanctioned bans on legal substances are moronic. Now, if a state or the country came out and said that smoking — like pot, acid, coke, PCP, etc. — were illegal, I’d be fine with that. I’d be against such a move but I’d be accepting of it.
I’m tired of the hypocritical stance this country places on the tobacco industry — IT’S A WONDERFUL CASH CROP, but also, IT’S A CANCER!
Also, Johnu1, while you quit smoking — and I applaude you and everyone else who does it and I agree that your stance on how to cure the issue is the best — you’re indifference to the situation doesn’t make it a non-rights issue. This is a legal substance that is openly available to those of a certain age and is being, to a certain point, denied to those who wish to partake in it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hey guys lets work to legalize Pot, acid and shrooms
Then nobody will care that much if you smoke and the economy will be cured
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Sad thing, Mads, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, serious or cynical.
This thread has done warped everything.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well I am being ridiculous, actually
There is a happy medium in the ‘To Smoke or Not to Smoke’ question. there are way s to allow those who smoke and those who don’t to co-exist but it requires compromise…
compromise has become about as dirty of a word as Homo, or Moslem or Liberal…
all this toxic exchange and nobody (self included) is really interested enough to offer functional solutions.
We are all becoming warped by TV and Politicians…I’d quit them both if I didn’t know any better. Plus I like to keep an eye on the enemy.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
uh, what?
My solution is a compromise:
Either create a smoking area on the lower level RF concourse, or allow smokers to leave and reenter through two gates, one on each side of the stadium.
Smokers get to smoke, nonsmokers aren’t bothered. Yet half the people voting don’t think that’s a fair solution. Now who’s being unreasonable, you tell me?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Whilst I pretty much agree with you
It sounds like you’re calling people unreasonable because they don’t agree with you.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
by ZJiff30 on Jan 27, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Again, I don't understand people's fascination with what I do when it has ZERO effect on them
That’s why I believe they’re being unreasonable.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
shrooms are legal
The Dutchmen kind, stems and pieces. Hard to smoke when wet, though.
For best results spread them out on a paper towel, place in sunny location for about 8 hours. Mince and stuff into pipe.
Smooth texture, nice aroma.
Good stuff man.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Incidentally, I believe that most drugs should be decriminalized.
And not from an individual liberty perspective. Making weed an over the counter purchase at pharmacies for anyone 21 and over would be a far more effective way of keeping pot away from teenagers. (Fun comparison: how many of my high-school classmates smoked pot vs. how many drank alcohol).
I also think heroin should be decriminalized and clinics set up where addicts can get a certain number of supervised doses, using clean needles, and make therapy and medical help available there as well. Drying up the market for street-corner dealers will keep others from getting addicted in the first place. (As radical as this sounds – this has worked in some experimental trials in other countries.)
Taking addicts, who are sick people, and throwing them in jail – where there are generally large amounts of drugs, and then releasing them with a criminal record also provides a never ending labor source for illegal activies.
IAN! I'm on traain!
agreed
our drug policy is a mess.
If only we knew how wealthy the drug barons have become, though, and why the laws won’t ever really change.
Jeez, it’s bloody civil war on the Tex-Mex border.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
It always amazes me when people said that weed and other drugs
were more available at their high school than alcohol.
As for drugs, legalize them all and (like cigarettes) tax the shit out of them.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
well, would you
tax churches?
Seems like an easier way to raise money, getting Mister MegaRev to kick in a buck or two per customer.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Shit yes.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
All the vices need to be taxed, religion included.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
by jch24 on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how Joel would feel about that....
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 27, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Prolly change his "bountiful harvest" sermons around a bit.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
That dude's smile makes me feel uneasy and creeped out.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Catholic educated from 1st to 12th grade.
Catholics just tend to come from drinking cultures so it’s not seen as a ‘problem’ or vice.
Sure I had some big-time drug friends too, but beer was always, ALWAYS available.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, I agree with you 99.9 percent.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I have just chosen
the path the the fuckin’ lawyers would least likely tread. Rights aside, I am truthfully sick of the goddamned lawyers getting all the money because we, as a society, haven’t got the onions to own up to our responsibilities.
Screw this “do what you want and let the courts decide on it.”
We are not going to stop growing tobacco and the Afghans are not going to stop growing opium poppies.
We spend our entire lives debating our rights. I have no interest in disturbing your rights. Just stay to the right of the yellow line when driving toward me.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i need also mention
the genesis of this thread was smoking at the ballpark.
The Reds and the city of Cincinnati does not deny you the right to buy and consume a pack of cigarettes. They just are telling you they don’t want you to do it at the ballpark. Otherwise, I don’t think they give a crap about your rights.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Otherwise, I don’t think they give a crap about your rights.
100 percent agree.
Though denying one the ability to smoke in an outside venue is stupid and sets a standard for more invasive policy.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
well there is always that
at what point does the rule change?
Once being old enough to die as a soldier meant being old enough to vote. If you can vote, you should be allowed to drink. Next thing we knew, kids 15 were in the bars with fake IDs.
People who make the laws are only doing what we told them to do when we elected them to make the laws. They pay attention to the people who elected them and those who stuff their panties with campaign money.
It’s politically sexy to support smoking bans.
It’s becoming politically sexy to ban “sexting” and I think the vast majority of legislators on this topic have NO CLUE what it entails or why. Just that it needs to be banned.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Fine, I don't want sick people showing up at the park I take my kids to
Their germs are harmful to my children, who have the right to a germ-free life.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
see
this is my complaint … we continue to look for ways to defend our own rights, absurd analogies included.
Stretch this out to say that I have a right to not have it be nightfall where I live.
I want the right to be moved to where the sun never sets.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Don't mind me John
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
if you get to know me
I am a very big believer in the notion that everyone has a point of view. Osama bin Laden has a point of view. I see his point and agree that he is entitled to have one. I may not agree with his POV, but I am fine with him having one.
As I am with people like Pat Robertson, Barbara Boxer, P Diddy, Beyonce, Madonna, Hugo Chavez and Kim Jung Il (who may not actually realize he has a point of view).
So I don’t always argue but express that every point of view should be well presented if it is to resemble one that deserves a part in debate. Debate, as an art form, is fairly difficult to find. Those who do well at it stay on the topic and don’t deviate with anecdotes.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
That's why I joined RR!!!
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
so tell us, Mads
is King Jung Il as Ill as Richard III?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I failed Roman Numerals.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
smoking is an action
until it becomes an addiction.
Then it should be treated as such, not as a crime, which is where you came in today, I think.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Now ...
if I sound inconsistent, it mirrors my indifference to the matter of whether the ballpark ought to provide a smoking area, the general origin of this thread.
If I agree that smokers should be allowed to buy and consume cigarettes, I would prefer not to compare your “right” to buy any legal product to your “right” to a clean environment.
Go where the clean air is.
Try not to foul the air with something dirty.
We all have choices about life.
Sometimes others would like to make them for us.
If you don’t agree with that, bring an argument that holds up.
Smoking isn’t going to win and your right to smoke isn’t going to get very far with people who don’t smoke.
I just offer the sensible alternative. Try to quit.
I did it and I know how hard it can be. I am not stupid about smoking.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
And to come back to what started all this
I don’t think people that smoke ‘are stupid’
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
ur stoopid
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jan 27, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
smoking is stupid
trust me on that one.
And if you know somebody who wants to start, do anything you can to make a good case to prevent it.
I was stupid for smoking.
Otherwise, I am not stupid.
Usually.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I know it became a big joke - but my comment on masturbation was meant to be half-serious.
It’s a legal activity – but you can’t do it in public places. I’m not equating the two activities- my point is that governments regulate where you can and cannot do a lot of things.
Just to be clear, I’m not really arguing with you on smoking bans as a practical or wise matter – only that I don’t think they are inconsistent with the philosophy of government in this country.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 27, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll wholeheartedly agree with the last part of your last sentence, but only because
I feel that our government’s philosophy is so inconsistent to begin with.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
You may not like the balance that's been struck, but I think you can't avoid inconsistency.
So much of governance is a balance between opposing philosophies: individualism against communitarianism, majority rule against minority rights, centralized federal power against the inherent power of the states as sovereigns. There are really very few rights that are protected by state and federal constitutions – the rest is up to your own franchise power – which will always work against minority rights.
IAN! I'm on traain!
See, you've hit my issue -- the system itself.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I love this country and would never, NEVER want to live anywhere else. And I love all the freedoms (like being able to bullshit about smoking rights on some baseball site) that it affords me.
I’m just very, very turned off by its political system (which I still believe is the best in the world) and those that run it.
I love this place, but I’m sick of the bullshit.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
that's called politics
Nobody who ever lived in a society where politics was freely practiced ever came away fully satisfied. You just give and take, find a balance. Long run, you adapt, modify, move on.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Or you can just say screw this and try to get change ... which never happens.
That’s what I tried to do when I was young. Now I’m to the point where I don’t give a crap anymore.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
yes you do
.. or you would be off trimming hedges or cutting out store coupons.
Instead you are debating a point of view.
So you do give a crap.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i hasten to add
sensible change in America has always taken a long time.
I am from the time when we sent 50,000 men to senseless slaughter in Vietnam.
We could have stopped that before we lost the first 50.
But it took awhile.
Sensible change lets your mother or sister get a loan at the bank now without your dad going along to prove his worth first.
Sometimes, years later, we ask … w.t.f. were we thinking?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 27, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
About the little things, yes, I still care.
I’ve stopped caring about the big stuff.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
small victories
It was like getting the right in 1997 to send garden seeds to Eastern Europe. You can’t connect to this minor matter.
Small deal, big deal, depending on your viewpoint.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
seeds
My wife at the time was a Russian immigrant and to understand life in that country just after the Commies left town … interesting. But the home garden was for years a very vital part of life … hell, staying alive.
The Russians generally saved old seed and to some end it was … what you expect it to be. In the first days after the USSR split apart, my wife (we are now divorced) and I would smuggle fresh hybrid seeds through the mail to her mom. It was illegal at that time under USDA “embargoed” shit stuff to the Soviet world. I mean, garden seed.
For reasons that escaped us, and part of the time the Russians would open the mail and steal the seed. The stuff was very valuable since it actually grew things.
This reply can get pretty long but to shorten, finally we could send seed and the Russians began to make some it available as well, so the home gardeners had some hope.
That was a big deal, the seed. You’d need to experience their life to understand.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
well inconsistency
is a big part of our lives in the USA, brought to you by a multicultural population.
The same country that says in its First Amendment that In God We Trust is perfectly legal on our money.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
But masturbation isn't considered an addiction
Otherwise I’d be Patient Zero.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Wrong. That would be me.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is where I could face some legitmate criticism as a non-smoker, who doesn't understand.
To me, this is about banning smoking – not smokers, as one would ban masturbating, and not masturbators (now that would REALLY kill business).
But it’s a lot harder for me to imagine a person who feels that they can’t go out anywhere, because they can’t smoke – but I do know, academically, not personally, that smoking addictions can be that bad.
IAN! I'm on traain!
I'm not that bad
I’ve traveled from Cincy to Honolulu without smoking several times, and attended who knows how many games without lighting up. I just don’t like the ban on principle.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You could always stretch Farney's workplace rights position
You knew what you were getting into when you started smoking. If it bothers you that places you go won’t let you smoke, then just quit.
(Seriously, you and Farney are two commenters that I generally really respect, and I’m typically all for personal rights, but I’ve been mysteriously unswayed by any of your arguments. It sounds like whining.)
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you Brendan. The best option is for everyone that smokes
to quit. Or make tobacco an illegal drug (never happening).
I’m fine with both of those.
And if I sound like I’m whining, that’s fine. I hate this sort of government regulation. Mostly because my concern is that once the smokers are banned — its not too long until they come after the drinkers. Then it’s really, really on.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
They tried that once
And likewise, I think if there’s ever a constitutional amendment to outlaw smoking, it will fail too. Constitutional amendments are meant to preserve freedoms, not take them away. The only one that did take away a freedom was also the only one that got repealed.
I still have no problem with GABP being smoke free.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
You really think we'll see Prohibition again?
Or are you saying they’ll outlaw drinking at the stadium? I don’t see either happening anytime soon.
Plus, as andromache astutely pointed out above— smokers aren’t banned, smoking is.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
And drinkers wouldn't be banned, drinking would
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
whoa, magical posting
Anywho…..
Why is it that the Reds can find it in their hearts to create a “sin-free” section of the stadium but not a smoking section? Who are they (or the gubmint) to decide what’s in my best interest?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
there's a "sin free" section?
what the hell does that mean??
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
The family friendly section, LF
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
But families sin all the time.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're telling me
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I read that (and I think commented on your post)
Amazing…..simply amazing.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
To Nukkah and Muffins
No, I don’t seriously think that prohibition will come back but that doesn’t mean that drinking in public — which is what you’re doing at ball games, bars, casinos, etc. — won’t eventually be condemned like smoking currently is.
Self-interest groups like Truth and SADD and MADD and all the others — not to mention morlastic religious groups — have a lot and I mean A LOT of pull in this country. Perhaps I notice this more having moved out of cities, but there are a lot of well-meaning, but staunchly moralist people in this nation that find vices to be the single worse thing impacting this country.
Ever wonder why it took Ohio so many years to get casinos? Or why gay rights continually get shot down — don’t think gay marriage didn’t bring WAY more moralists to the voting booths than in years prior.
The same people voting down casinos are the same who vote in dogmatic politicians. Enough of those types in state houses or state senates and shit can start to change quickly.
Perhaps I’m paranoid about all this, and if I am bully for everyone, but I rather be paranoid and on my toes than sitting on the side of the road while a bunch of people I don’t agree with try to tell me — or anyone else — how to live their life.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's projecting.
The same people voting down casinos are the same who vote in dogmatic politicians.
I really don’t want to say any more than this, but there are lots of different, nuanced reasons for voting down the two particular casino issues that have been put to Ohioans the last two years. And I know people across the political spectrum who voted both ways on that.
Also, I’ll defer to your view on the non-urban U.S., mostly because I’ve never lived anywhere but the city. But Major League Baseball teams are still all in cities, and I’d put good money on drinking NEVER being completely banned at Cincinnati Reds games. If they wouldn’t do it in 1890, they won’t do it today.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it is projecting
but some of the biggest supporters of the ‘No’ vote on casinos were gamblers anonymous, churches and (the most hypocritical of them all) the Catholic church. And some of these groups went out of their way be vocal about voting ‘No’ on the issue. So, yes, while it is projecting I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to believe that a good number of people who voted on the issue did so based on moral grounds — not enough to decide the eventual outcome but enough to make a significant dent.
As for the 1880 Reds being thrown out of the NL for selling alcohol and playing games on Sunday — it’s one of my favorite stories in franchise history. And I don’t think the 1880 situation can be compared to a smoking/beer ban.
In 1880 the NL didn’t like its teams selling alcohol or playing on Sundays, for moralistic reasons. The Reds, beint the heathens they are, did both. So the league kicked them out. That’s drastically different than there being a state law that prohibits drinking at public places (remember no drinking at Crosley during prohibition) like there’s currently a no-smoking policy enacted by the state.
If there was state or national law in place in 1880 — rather than a league rule — I think the Reds would have stopped selling the product.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure, they'd adhere to a law.
But there won’t be any drinking bans nationally, nor in the state of Ohio. I would be incredibly shocked if that happened.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I used to think as well
then I moved to the middle of nowhere and saw the ‘real ’Merica’. There are enough brow-beating anti-alcohol people out here to make you change your mind.
And now that they have groups liek MAAD and SAAD to back they’ve grown in size and power. Don’t get me wrong, drunk driving out to be against the law, but many of those people would just as well see drinking removed from all public life. Dry counties still exist and their supporters are getting louder.
In 25 years I wouldn’t be surprised if drinking was the new smoking.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's trending that way
because ultimately, rural America is dying out in favor of urban/suburban America.
There are still tons of dry counties in NC, though. One that’s just outside the Triangle only legalized liquor by the drink last May. The big sticking point was actually the knowledge that all of the chain restaurants (Applebee’s, etc.) would move in once they could sell drinks. Okay, I might have voted against that, too…
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You're right, rural America is dying
but many of those leaving rural America aren’t leaving their beliefs or morals with it either.
And yes, you bring up a great point about Applebee’s — the last town I lived in, my district voted for a liquor authorization for the same reason (it won by, no joke, FIVE votes). I lived in the youngest district in the town.
While the town is dying, the beliefs are being passed on and they’re moving.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's true to a certain extent
but I don’t think that this discomfort with alcohol is spreading.
I can observe my family, where in two generations we’ve gone from teetotalers (on both sides) to people who drank a bit but were still wary of it, to people who enjoy drinking some kinds of alcohol and certainly don’t care to moralize about it—my sisters and myself.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
The county I grew up in just passed alcohol by the drink
They did it to lure a golf course development who insisted on it, and to lure chain restaurants.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I know, right?
My dad was not a supporter. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Yes, but
Despite what those on the coasts would have you believe, Ohio isn’t all “middle of nowhere.” That’s my point. Maybe a “drinking in public places” ban could happen in your county, or in less progressive states, but not in Ohio.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
And in Ohio, too
everything’s turning into the same suburban crap, so no. I don’t think anything’s trending in that direction.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Not this
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dude. That's Ohio
outside of the five main cities.
Hell, that’s the majority of any small town in Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but the thing is, there are still less than 30,000 people in the whole county. So while the crazies may be able to do stupid shit in that county, they’ll never be able to extend that stuff to the places where lots of people actually live.
In the meantime, those who live there could get screwed though. Which makes me wonder: do you live there now? If so, why?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
No I don't live there.
I wouldn’t.
And yes, that’s only 30,000 now. Limbaugh started with a much smaller audience … so did Pat Robertson.
This shit can spread — especially when it’s wrapped into a morality.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think politics are separate
from a lot of stuff that follows generational lines much more closely: mostly things that involve fear of the unknown. Fear is much more prevalent in the old: fear of gays, or black people, or alcohol, or other drugs. The people who are most afraid are going to die off the soonest, so it’s just a slow march to fewer people giving a shit.*
And without those fears to unite us, we’re left with the political issues that divide us.
*One exception seems to be fear of terrorists, which has gotten highly politicized.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Not true where I'm from
I’d wager that over 90% of the people there would vote for a ban on interracial dating if it were put on the ballot.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You masde me wonder, so here's my home county data
As of 2000, the population was 22,384
The racial makeup of the county was 98.31% White, 0.25% Black or African American, 0.23% Native American, 0.29% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.32% from other races, and 0.54% from two or more races. 1.04% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.</blockquote
The center of the county is 45 miles south of Cincinnati.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
From my hometown (actually the closest 'town' to where I grew up)
The racial makeup of the city was 97.95% White, 0.06% African American, 0.12% Native American, 0.43% Asian, 0.22% Pacific Islander, 0.81% from other races, and 0.40% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.46% of the population.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'll do you one better
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 28, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Say what you will man
I like Mercer County. Great sports, a big lake and you can’t throw a rock without hitting a bar.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I'm not hating my home county, I loved it
I’m just saying, it’s not what most would call “diversified”
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 28, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
No, but then again nowhere in
that part of the state is — except Lima and Defiance.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not the 'middle of nowhere'
But it’s certainly not ’
Ohio isn’t all that progressive I’ll give you that Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus are more progressive than the rest of the state … but there’s still some good old throwbacks around the big O
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I present exhibit B:
my college town.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
holy shit
you went to Cedarville? one of my best friends in high school went there. i visited him there for a weekend once. once.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
You and I are the same age. I might have known him.
I knew a lot of people.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
So what you're say is....
You were a tramp.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
no, actually I was a nerdy awkward kid.
I never even had a girlfriend. I was, however, friends with all the popular people and their friends.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Chad Johnson?
he’s a few years older. He married Desi DePenning.
and kudos to you for surviving 4 years there. no chicks in the dorms? no dancing? no cursing? that takes some steely resolve, my brother.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 28, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
I know the name.
I knew his wife a little better.
I actually enjoyed my Cedarville time. With some of the other distractions removed, it allowed me to focus more on my classes and things. Although, I will admit, sometimes it did feel pretty nailed down.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
No cursing? Fuck that.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Ohio doesn't have to be progressive
For there to be states that are less progressive than it, which is all I said. But the fact that we have 3 major cities and at least 3 minor ones sets us apart from, say, Mississippi or Alaska. There’s a reason Ohio’s the big swing state— it’s because we’re in many ways a microcosm of the whole country. There’s enough balance here (geographically, racially, economically, etc.) to stop the crazies (of any stripe) from pushing through anything too crazy radical. And, for now at least, a public drinking ban strikes me as pretty darn radical.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
The following I agree with
There’s a reason Ohio’s the big swing state— it’s because we’re in many ways a microcosm of the whole country. There’s enough balance here (geographically, racially, economically, etc.) to stop the crazies (of any stripe) from pushing through anything too crazy radical.
However, Ohio’s population is taking a nose dive. It’s retaining fewer graduates (I include myself in this — I didn’t think I’d leave the state). That’s why I question what’s possible for Ohio (and other states suffering the same flight issues) in 25 years.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
25 years ago, I would have said the same thing about smoking
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
THIS
I’m not as concerned with the legislation itself (if you can’t go three hours without smoking, you might wanna see a doctor). My problem is that a subsect of society is being villianized and treated unreasonably. Farney makes a valid point that this could be just the beginning of legislation to "protect the masses from the harmful effects of (insert latest craze here).
THAT’S the scary part of it all.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well, yeah
we have all sorts of issues like that in our schools and in our social lives. Call it ADA, or Title IX or No Child Left Behind or any other abolition of something that we used to call usual when dealing with “retarded” or “delinquent” kids, who really can’t be called “brats” now because
sensibility … and of course, some of them are Hyphenated-Americans, so don’t do no Polish or Mexican jokes, OK?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I am also reminded
A story I wrote called for this … years ago, you could call a woman a babe but you did not dare dare dare say the word “fuck” in front of her.
Now you call a woman a babe and she will tell you to go fuck yourself.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
well try this
You are going to be in an airplane over the Atlantic Ocean for 9 or 10 hours. You are a smoker. Most smokers usually feed their habit considerably more often than once every 10 hours.
You can’t sneak out back and grab a puff.
Do you
a. hijack the plane to Cuba
b. beat the hostess over the head with an ax
c. go stark raving mad and threaten to Nigerian the fucking flight
d. just stay home
I need to insert here that, aboard this flight is a family from “Switzerland” that was not Swiss Family Robinson and indeed did have three of the most annoying little fuckin’ kids this side of Zurich.
And we were just over the southern tip of Iceland when all of a sudden …
(I can’t go on.)
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I know all this sounds strange
but does anybody have a cigarette I could bum?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
A/B/C
Are not mutually exclusive, ya know. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well yes
You could hijack the plane to Cuba, have your way with the hostess, pick up some Andorran refugee along the way, grab a box of Havana Supers and … head for Geneva where they say y’all.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Sounds like Thursday nights to me
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
back when I was partying
any old night was a good night to cruise for Andorran babes.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I graduated magna cum applaude :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Good lord
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
i think you keep derailing the argument
the argument is over whether the current state-wide ban on smoking is right or not. pulling in taxation, other drugs, etc. is just filling the room with smoke, making it difficult to see the real issues at hand here (ha cha cha!). here are the sides of the issue, as i see them (feel free to disagree on how i see things):
smoking, as it relates to the state-wide ban, is an issue opposing environmental issues with personal freedom issues. on one hand, it directly and pervasively pollutes the environment around the smoker, most especially in enclosed spaces. on the other, it is a completely legal substance with no restrictions on it’s general use.
while my rights to smoke are important, the rights of others to live and breathe in a relatively clean environment are important as well. the question is, which right do we, as a society, view as more important?
obviously, our society here in Ohio views the environmental issue as the most important. that’s why there is a state-wide ban. but you also argue that a state-wide ban is unnecessary. you’ve railed pretty spiritedly for the owner’s “right to choose” whether they want smoking in their bar or not.
unfortunately, as has been pointed out, this is far more complicated than you are letting on. this is basically the situation that existed before the smoking ban was put in place, and virtually every establishment chose to allow smoking. non-smokers, who are a clear super-majority, were forced to suffer if they wanted to go out. why should a small minority be allowed to impose their will upon a much larger group? this is a democracy after all, right? (that question is rhetorical.)
i understand what you are trying to say by comparing cigarettes to illegal drugs, but it doesnt hold up. cigarettes are not banned in public because they are bad for you, like weed, PCP, etc. they are banned in public because they are bad for everyone else. even if you want to argue the veracity of the conventional wisdom on the health risks of 2nd hand smoke, the fact that it is annoying and irritating is indisputable. i would venture that if cocaine were a legal drug like tobacco, there would be no public ban on it because blowing coke at a Reds game doesnt environmentally affect the surrounding patrons.
that’s really the heart of why smoking is such a special issue. it’s not like other vices because it directly and negatively affects everyone around you. the smoker’s personal freedom is important, but it’s just not as important as everyone else’s.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
blowing coke at the game
might not directly affect me but I have no idea how somebody on a cocaine high might act if I decide to cheer for the wrong player. When you can answer that question, then I’ll be able to make a better judgment on whether to say yes to cocaine, maybe yes to public heroin and by all means huuzzaaah!! to meth!!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
im not arguing for legalization of cocaine
im comparing tobacco and it’s adverse environmental effects to cocaine and it’s relative lack thereof.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 27, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
i know that
just decided to interject an opinion.
Being drunk, fat, stupid, wearing women’s underwear and reeking of tobacco is no way to go through life, son.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I guess Gray
wants to declare the thread officially dead.
Sometimes dead threads are known to play possum.
I would not be surprised if that were the case.
Smoke em if ya got em.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I am NOT fat
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Charlie, I disagree
obviously, our society here in Ohio views the environmental issue as the most important. that’s why there is a state-wide ban. but you also argue that a state-wide ban is unnecessary. you’ve railed pretty spiritedly for the owner’s "right to choose" whether they want smoking in their bar or not.
unfortunately, as has been pointed out, this is far more complicated than you are letting on. this is basically the situation that existed before the smoking ban was put in place, and virtually every establishment chose to allow smoking. non-smokers, who are a clear super-majority, were forced to suffer if they wanted to go out. why should a small minority be allowed to impose their will upon a much larger group?
I would argue that our society doesn’t obviously consider the enviromental issue most important — only the 59 percent of those who happened to vote that day (which I believe was less than 60 percent of the voting population) do. That isn’t exactly Reagan Mondale.
Not that this matters of course, it passed.
However, since it’s passed it’s been a huge pain in the ass to enforce or has even been ignored completely.
This thing is costly and is still costing people today — not to mention still nearly impossible to enforce.
Smoking, however, has gone down. So that is good.
Now on to your second point that allowing an owner to decide is more comlplicated than I’m letting on:
No it’s not. Growing up in Cincy and even in Columbus during college, I saw bar and eatery owners throw people out for smoking. It’s simple — this place is non-smoking get out.
There were plenty of places prior to the ban to eat and drink that didn’t have smoke in it. And no,virtually every establishment did not chose to allow smoking. That’s BS. Sure a majority probably did but not virtually every one.
Next
i understand what you are trying to say by comparing cigarettes to illegal drugs, but it doesnt hold up. cigarettes are not banned in public because they are bad for you, like weed, PCP, etc. they are banned in public because they are bad for everyone else. even if you want to argue the veracity of the conventional wisdom on the health risks of 2nd hand smoke, the fact that it is annoying and irritating is indisputable.
Crystal Meth is bad for everyone — ever seen a lab explosion? — FUCK! And as for the “even if you want to argue the veracity of the conventional wisdom on the health risks of 2nd hand smoke, the fact that it is annoying and irritating is indisputable.”
You just described every time I go to a restaurant and their’s a fucking crying baby or a snot nosed kid that’s being allowed to run around the place. Can we ban them too. I fucking hate kids running around the damn place or crying when I’m eating — especially when I’m at a nice restaurant. LEAVE YOUR KIDS AT HOME PEOPLE!
Note: that last comment was a joke — only a little.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
look what you did
If Beirut explodes into warfare, we’ll know who to blame. ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I seen
a tree root
and I seen
a pig root
but I ain’t nevah seen no
Beirut.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I've seen a house fly
I’ve seen a dragon fly
But I ain’t NEVER seen an elephant fly!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
You probably have.
Try the Elephant Mosquito.
Mosquitos are in the order diptera. The order diptera contains all of the flies. Mosquitos are flies. An elephant mosquito is a fly. Therefore, it’s technically an elephant fly.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
the elephant
that caressed you with its toes.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Your such a dork
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Dork
d’rk (n) from the French, a word meaning, but not exclusive to, the act of dorkifying or inserting a potentially fertile object into a potentially futile disposition. Often accompanied by the reply … “fuck you and the horse you rode in on.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I thought a dork was a whale penis
(which I have a pic of somewhere but will not be posting)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
yes, luck is indeed on our side today.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
the wiki entry
concurs with the definition of “whale penis.”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
you may have seen a horse fly
you may even have seen a superfly
but you ain’t never seen no DONKEY fly!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
We thought you went Lebanese
Say, got a light?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Impart some wisdom, it's not too late!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I noticed
after all the votes were cast, there seems to be a consensus.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Hahahaha, rec'd
It’s great that it’s tied, a certain part of me hopes it stays that way.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
majority rule
is a rather obscene concept. I suppose if 50.003556 percent of the country wanted us to jump off a bridge and die, well … who in hell are we to argue with the majority?
I like to be on the side that says, “yabbit, I happen to be agin it. Why? Because somebody has to be.”
In that respect, farneyis … has done a good job in making his own points.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
That's cuz I hate everything but
the Reds, Buckeyes, beer, Liverpool, movies, my family and boobs.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
well established.
I support your right to like some of this stuff.
Not all.
I am off to work now.
I wish it was last spring.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Good on ya, mate.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that.
He’s kicking ass over there so far.
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 27, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
YNWA
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Incidentally
I haven’t voted in the poll. I’ve been convinced that it would be okay to have a smoking area at the ballpark, so I can’t vote “no.” But I don’t care enough to say there “should” be one, so I can’t be “yes.”
If it stays tied, the masses will reflect my dilemma.
by the finest muffins on Jan 27, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
this is why
“boobs” needs to be an option.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I like boobs, he's a fine commenter.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
We ban them, duh
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Well....
I’ve been smoking for 20 odd years now during which time I took a three year break. I’m hyper sensitive to my effect on others and generally do not smoke where it is not allowed and am constantly apologizing to people who approach me when I am smoking away from others (out of doors). That said, the religiosity of many militant non-smoker’s stances makes me want to blow smoke in their faces.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
I still haven't gotten an answer on this (or I conveniently ignored it), so I'll ask
How does creating a smoking area in the place I proposed inconvenience non-smokers? Is the “100% smoke free environment” a point of pride? If so, why? Is 98% of the stadium not enough?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
do the math
Here I am at work, still on this.
If 51 percent of the people want the ballpark to be 100 percent smoke-free, then the 49 percent who would settle for 99 percent or less are in the minority. So if you want 2 percent of the park to be available to smokers, you need to convince at least 1.1 percent of the total population to change its mind.
Now if the 50.00001 percent are reduced to 49.9996742 percent, as a rough estimate, and let’s say they control 61 percent of the money and 80 percent of the clout, I’d say you’re screwed.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
What the hell?
/sucks at math
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Try telling the ACLU that
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
aclu is misunderstood
Limbaugh and his jerk pals call them liberals.
They are anything but that.
I am glad they exist, to be honest.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
But they support the gays and blacks and mexican'ts!!!
/Limbaugh’d
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
And the crazy evangelicals who want to use military funerals to promote homophobia.
IAN! I'm on traain!
God hates British cigarettes!
/case closed
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I saw them at the Indy 500 back in '05
The gentleman behind us on the way to the Speedway was less than pleased with their message and let them know about it. My dad & I just moseyed along past them.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
All those fools are related to each other.
It’s not a church so much as giant family of morons.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think the place
is kind of a tourist attraction, kind of like Bedlam or some other institution for the mentally deranged.
They really are drained of substance.
Amusing on some other levels.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
HA!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
The whole list is great
Andy: The band has had a few different names over the years. When we started we were Teddy Bear Suicide. But then we changed it to Mouse Rat. Then we were God Hates Figs; Department of Homeland Obscurity; Flames for Flames; Muscle Confusion; Nothing Rhymes With Orange; then Everything Rhymes With Orange; Punch Face Champions; Rad Wagon; Puppy Pendulum; Possum Pendulum; Penis Pendulum; Handrail Suicide; Angel Snack; Just the Tip; Threeskin; Jet Black Pope; we went back to Mouse Rat and now we are Scarecrow Boat. God when I hear myself say “Scarecrow Boat” out loud I kind of hate it
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I've always heard it in the form of a question
Are you a Mexican, or a Mexican’t?
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 28, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Unless of course you are speaking to a woman
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Then it's "La Mexican't" instead of "El Mexican't"?
"aaron harnann is so aweseom" - justin
by BK on Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...I see... Mexicant or SabreMexicant
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
At the danger of being banned...
…if they don’t ban Skyline for its effects on gastrointestinal society, I don’t see how they can ban smoking.
I remember bringing my girlfriend to the park last year. She kept dragging me around to secluded parts of the stadium so she could try to sneak a smoke (she was unsuccessful).
--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com
"sneak a smoke," eh?
The reason smoking is different from many other activities (like eating skyline) is that it has rather large externalities—that is, the people who don’t smoke still get stuck with effects. And because they’re not making the decision about whether to smoke or not, there’s a role for public regulation.
Now, what that role should actually be is open to debate…but this is inherently different from the market for skyline chili.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I disagree. The destruction to future generations to think chili tastes a little like pumpkin pie cannot be put into words!
--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com
by D.Szymborski on Jan 27, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
If there were a "legal" place to smoke, she wouldn't have to sneak a smoke
Also, I recommend the empty beer bottle trick or the stairwell next to the machine room.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
if she quit smoking
she would not even be interested in the problem.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
That'd be cool with me. I could go on, but I know no one wants to listen to me.
Hell, I’m annoying the shit out of myself.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
go ahead
paint a big red bullseye on your back!!!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
How'd I do?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Geezus
Aroldis Chapman, the young lefthander, had managed to control his fastball but there were questions about the forkball.
But the Reds remained undaunted!
Their crafty signing proved a huge success.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
No
But it’s kind of staggering around with a tracheotomy and an oxygen tank.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 27, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love the people outside the hospital smoking with an oxygen tank
That’s dedication, Holmes.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I prefer the old dudes smoking throught the trache hole.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 27, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
youse guys laugh but
When I went for a pulmonary function test, my blood/oxygen was at 93. The consensus was that I had another year of smoking before I would need occasional oxygen, two more years and I’d need it constantly.
It doesn’t take too much coolness to make that choice. I had always said I would just “know when” to quit … and finally one day after I saw my doc, I realized that day had come. I still can’t breathe well but I don’t have to have oxygen.
Just an inhaler. The doc said I was a “fair” candidate for a lung transplant at my age. (62) …
Try to say that out loud, L U N G T R A N S ….P L A N T
So while I have had a ton of fun with this thread and have offered some stark reminders, i don’t think this is a joke. If JCH and all his buds want to smoke, go for it. You gotta know you will pay for it. The health issues don’t just happen overnight. It’s a long grueling climb to get to where you can’t even have decent whoopee without having to stop and catch your bearings.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I don't think it's a joke
And I don’t have decent whoopee anyway. I’m kind of a dead fish.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you give up ciggies
and you will double the number of women who find you interesting.
That may take you from 6 to 12 but it’s double.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Oh, I don't think that would be a good idea
Until very recently, I’ve not had the best taste in women. I found a great one who for-god-knows-what-reason finds me to be a suitable mate.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well it ain't about a mate
Being around women can be good for you. It lets you cultivate your ego. Women actually like that. Pay attention to what they mean, not what they say. Women can be good friends, even if they ain’t sleeping with you.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
pshaw
Says you. :)
Kidding of course, I have plenty of female friends. Always good to have an unbiased female opinion on things.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
yeah but it isn't unbiased
Yeah, this could take our thread in a way far off direction, kind of like almost surviving a trip to Mars.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
the point is ...
There are just a lot more nonsmokers than ever before and the ones who smoke are in places where less educated people are likely to be. This is sociology, sort of.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I knew it!
All those people who said “Want to look smarter? Take a drag off a smooth Camel!” were right.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well it does take ...
… a commitment.
i didn’t even factor in the cost of smoking. Hell, I had the money. The company where I work doesn’t care and I could take smoke breaks whenever. I live alone and can smoke where and when I want.
My GF didn’t like it but didn’t complain.
All in all, I just decided to be a prick about it and not buy any more cigarettes. Fuck the tobacco companies.
You may fail at this a few times. Keep trying.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
For the record, I plan on quitting
And soon. As free living as I tend to be, I’m not anywhere near dumb enough to think smoking won’t catch up with me. If I might ask – how did you do it? Cold turkey? Patches? Pills? 12 step program?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I took the patch and was sort of on Chantax
I didn’t have any reason to continue the Chantax, which is expensive and not covered. Neither is the patch. I quit the Chantax after a couple of days. Cost me about 118 bucks.
I was 2 weeks on the 21 mg patch, then a week on the 14. They recommended it for 8 weeks but I was committed after the first day or so. I managed to sleep a lot. That helped. After a couple of weeks, I was past the real need to smoke and was beginning the process of breaking the habits that go with it.
I had support from friends/coworkers.
A month in, I was fairly confident and stopped using the patch.
then I started eating potato chips.
I gained 38 pounds in a year and now I have to think about a diet.
Whatever that means.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I crawled around on the floor for abut two weeks...howling like a banshee
After a while the craving subsided and just about the time when I though I was in control I was hitting with the ‘need’ even harder for a couple more weeks..there weren’t patch back in the day…
I gained 600 pounds and became a bi-sexual Republican Senator…after years of therapy, I can now sit in the dank dark of my basement and type this warning to the outside world…be careful you might just get what you want.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
......MOM?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
well if ever
… there was a reason to smoke, that one did it.
I can say this.
Gumball.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Son
I named you Donald… before they wrenched you away
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Close.....my first first name was Dennis :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Oh yeah that's right Dennis...your poor ol' mom needs you...
Send just a few dollars please to your ol’mom
To:
Mom
% The Madvillie Del Rio Home for Old and Destitute Mothers
1 N. Whetsel Ave.\The Ghetto
Madisonville, Ohio 45227
or call !-800-MOM-CARE
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I was gonna call, but couldn't find the ! key
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Do you not have a full keyboard on your phone?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Not on my desk phone
You don’t think I’m giving that man my cell phone number, do you?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Very good point.
That could be disastrous.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I'm waiting for the text from him giving me shit
The best part? He’s in my phone as Madville Del Rio. I refuse to change it at this point. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
you know i love you man...loads
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I'm only trying to help (for a nominal fee)
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
that phone number again
it’s only $5.99 a minute after the first minute, which is free.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I've seen that once......WOW
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I think a standing ovation would be in order
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I think this thread has the power to reach 1,000 comments legitimately.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Smoking>Chapman
So … do we put a * next to Chapman’s thread?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
That thread only has 943.
Some mod deleted all the booster comments.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Horsecrap
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I resemble that remark
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
No, I SMELL like horsecrap
I resemble the mod who cleaned out the cheap comments. If you want 1000 comments you need to be able to invoke gays, nazis, pedophiles, and the elderly in a discussion about the smoking ban.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I'm really surprised no religious discussion came up in here.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Meh, we covered that during the Sugar Bowl
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Keep religion out of this
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
And shitty drivers drive up the cost of car insurance yet we don't ban ALL of them from driving
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 28, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually a really good analogy
Old people driving. OLD people. We all see them on the roads and know they are an imminent threat to our safety. Yet they haven’t been banned from driving on the roads I drive on. Why can’t we tell them to drive on their own property so as to not risk the lives of everyone else?
Of course, we’d need to consider the health risks associated with being their caretaker, postman, etc.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I think that's coming
More limitations on old people driving, that is. Many states already have restrictions on older drivers.
Though young drivers are an even bigger danger.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
And we all know what the problem is
Old people vote, religiously. I don’t think it’s gonna happen anytime soon since the baby boomer are just getting to the age where it would affect them.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i actually wrote my master's dissertation on that
old people should be restricted from voting because they think nothing of the future.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 28, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the wisdom in that
However, they also have the most life experience, and that shouldn’t be totally discounted.
This is 1000, by the way.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
by ZJiff30 on Jan 28, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm rec'ing that out of principle
And Slyde, I’m sorry. Sort of. :)
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
old people vote
But will baby boomers?
I think voting is a result of the culture they grew up in, not age. If you didn’t vote when you were 40, you aren’t going to suddenly start when you turn 70.
And it’s because of the boomers that I think more restrictions are coming. With so many old people, it’s going to be an increasing problem.
Of course, I also think we’re all going to be driving a lot less, anyway.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I hope so
I REALLY wish I didn’t have to drive. My personal situation dictates it.
I think the baby boomers will vote, they’re children of the 60s when idealism and being part of “the process” was all the rage, right?
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
but they don't vote now
Why should they start when they’re old and disillusioned?
The old people who vote now also voted when they were in their 20s. Just about everyone in America used to be belong to a political party. Now “independent” is the largest “party.”
There has been an overall decline in civic participation in the US, as documented by Robert Putnam and others.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think older people vote because the identify with the people running more
I have absolutely no proof of this theory, I just like the way the ball sounds off its bat.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
nah
BF’s right. it’s a cultural thing. boomers are more prone to flip people off and fight the system and junk. they did that when they were 20 and they’ll be doing it until they die.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 28, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
As an old person I have always voted
Always will…even though my individual vote will become significantly less valuable now that it can be purchased by corporate greed.
My vote is starting out a fair market value of $200.00
Care to bid it up….
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I would think $200 is a fair price
Here in my part of Indiana, you can get a lot more than 200 bucks for your vote.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
you may be
stereotyping here a little. A lot of older people are staying away from the polls because they don’t like their choices.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
that's true for me...
I vote in 2004 for everything but president:
I had no use for either of the candidates:
One was a blowhard the other a moron.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I think that's true for many Americans not just the old
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 29, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone stereotypes a little :)
I’m saying that historically, the “elderly” have always come out to the polls in large numbers and I believe if a referendum that severely negatively impacts them came up on the ballot, they would come out in droves.
It’s a difference in the mindset of generations. Most young people would say “That’ll never happen.” while older people (who happen to have a better idea of how things work and just what the govt/populace is capable) are more likely to band together and say, “No way we’re ever gonna let this happen!”
PLEASE NOTE: I am only applying this idea to if/when driving restrictions for the “elderly” comes up on a ballot somewhere, not to any other election.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I would agree
on some issues, the mature voter will make a bigger issue of it, but I am seeing that from the 40-somethings more than the 60-somethings. Yeah, it does depend on the issue. The politics of demographics manipulation is an art form for funded political candidates.
The problem the younger people have is their general unwillingness to understand the issue beyond how it affects their kids’ soccer league.
You only need to go to a school board meeting to see how the adversarial relationship develops there. Us vs. Them.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Some folks just cling to that Jr. High mentality all through out their life and it just gets stronger as they get older.
(flat, but true, assertion, by an old guy.)
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
THE OLD PEOPLE ARE DRIVING!!!!!
/South Park’d
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
fact is
Once you get your license, you basically have it as a right for life unless some judge takes it away. Being old, feeble and unable to react in traffic will almost never get you suspended from driving.
I did mention that about cell phones, didn’t I?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
and eating, putting on makeup, smoking (yep, I said it), or yelling at kids/other passengers
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
it depends on the state
Might be different in Ohio, but in the states I’ve lived in, you start having to renew your license more often as you age, and can’t do it by mail any more. You have to go in and get an eye test.
Hawaii does that at both ends of the age spectrum: young drivers and old drivers have to renew more often.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, yes even in Indiana
they have to go in and do an “eye test.”
I wonder what they are expected to see. I observe a lot of little old blue haired women who can’t see OVER the wheel but through it … now, they got a license somehow.
Indiana just now approved the license by mail after a year of bitching about how it was a violation of somebody’s rights because it was required fo voting.
I just use a big phone directory to sit on when I drive, so nobody is the wiser.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I sit in the back seat when I drive
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
wow a complete and total
disregard for the air bag that is designed to not only save your honkin ass but to keep insurance rates lower and thus reduce your dependency on the public health care trough later on.
Say, did anybody mention Jason Giambi today?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Nope, what happened?
And my car has somewhere around 7 airbags, it’s gonna be like sleeping on air if I’m ever in a wreck.
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
now, Baggies don't count.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I lie in the back seat when I drive
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
This just proves we should've signed Sheets
He woulda loved our thread counts.
by 'tHan on Jan 29, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Worst. Pun. EVAR.
Rec’d
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
Ye gods
I’m not surprised that ’than knows about thread counts, but jch and BK, too? Jeez, is this a sport site or MarthaStewart.com?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 29, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bust those balls, BF!
Oh wait. Crap.
As for me, I’m a member of the Peach Domestication Reeducation program. The study curriculum has been difficult but the extracurricular activities make it well worth it. If only my high school had thought of motivating me that way….
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
It's in all the rap songs these days
I blame Kanye.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 29, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I blame obc
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
This thread is just like the US Congress
1038 comments and absolutely no closer to closure than when it began.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
sure we are
We are not unlike the University of Illinois. We’ve decided to defer action until we’ve had more time to discuss the topics that have been raised recently and reconsidered in light of information that could be considered important once we’ve had the opportunity to explore it with the rest of the members of the committee, some of whom could not be here today.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Well John
I require a thorough and thoughtful analysis defining not only the issues and any or all possible/probable requisite complications therein; but also a comprehensive and meticulous review of all hypothetical courses of action available to us as well as all salient points of interest to all parties involved.
Do you agree? This approach strikes me as a function and fair method of achieving a solution.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
I do agree in principle
on the ethics-based outcome of the formulative objectives. The methodology does strike me as unique, which requires some cohesive reconstruction of the cynergic forces. On the other hand, I think our colleague from the great State of Andorra described our agenda in succinct terms. I have that disposition here somewhere and if not, will have my large-breasted young intern fetch it for me.
Meantime, I do agree that there are parallels between your assertions and those of the council. I hope we can circulate a proxy on a sense of the deliberation. This is legislation that deserves our fullest consideration.
We can do that after lunch.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Ah lunch...
I’m afraid that I’ve already accepted an invitation by said large breasted, bulbous lipped and big haired intern , it should be spanking good lunch
http://www.spankoz.com/images/female_dom_men.jpg.
However I am free for an afternoon tea…say around 3:00 at the ‘Presidential club’?
(You can write it off)
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Maybe something at the Alfalfa Club
Winstonian in principle, Jeffersonian in purpose, Masonite otherwise.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Truly Madvillian
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
i'm really really confused by whatever it is that's going on here
by 'tHan on Jan 30, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mads has a buddy who thinks the way he does.
This is not going to be good.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Well, even the Headless Horseman had friends
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
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