Winter Break's Over - RR Book Club Returns for More Machine
The You Mark My Words and Genius chapters cover the '75 season from May 18 to July 28. The BRM steamrolled the league during that stretch, shaking off a sluggish start that found them 4.5 games behind LA on May 18 to build an insurmountable 13.5 game lead on July 28.
Mostly everything went right for the Reds while they went 47-17 during that period, but the injury to Don Gullett could have taken the wind out of their sales. Gullett was from Lynn, Ky., and was regarded as a can't-miss. Reds scout Cliff Alexander noted in his report: "Better at 18 than Koufax." Gullett was in the bigs at 19 in 1970 and pitched 217.7 innings the following year with a 2.65 ERA, leading the league in W-L%. While he did not improve on that the next few seasons, he was off to great start in 1975. After pitching a shutout in St. Louis against an aging Bob Gibson on May 31, Sparky gushed "He's the best there is. The very best there is."
Gullett was pitching another gem on June 16 against Atlanta. With the Reds up 9 -1 after eight innings, Sparky let Gullett go back out in the 9th to finish the job. Sparky may have been known as Captain Hook, but this was still 1975. One in five games were completed by starters then, compared to about one in forty now. Naturally, a Brave lined a ball off of Gullet's thumb in the 9th. The injury knocked Gullett out for two months. Hard to blame Sparky for a line drive to the thumb, but I wonder how Gullett's health may have been managed better in general. Maybe a more stable role would have helped. He started 31 games in 1971 but then split the following two years between the rotation and the bullpen (in '73, he started 30 games and relieved an additional 15).
Even with the injuries Gullet had productive if somewhat shortened seasons in '75 and '76. After helping the Reds sweep the Yankees in the '76 WS he signed with them as a free agent, the first Red (I believe) to leave via free agency. Posnanski provides a helpful history of free agency, which officially started after 1976 and would triple the average salary by the end of the decade. GM Bob Howsam predicted "things will never be the same," and he was right.
The Machine is also full of vignettes discussing current events and pop culture. Imagine that, baseball talk devolving into pop culture quips. Anyways, I appreciated the section on Jaws:
A movie had never quite taken over America like this one ... but then, a movie had never before opened up in 409 movie theaters around the country simultaneously. It was the first summer blockbuster in Hollywood history.
Avatar recently opened in 3,452 theaters, to give you some modern perspective. But as Posnanski describes, Jaws was an undeniable machine in its own right. The movie appeared on the cover of Time. Newspaper writers frequently wrote two reviews - one of the movie, and one of the audience's reaction. It occupied America's consciousness like few films before or since. After scoring the game-winning run against Houston on June 21, a reporter asked Pete if he had seen Jaws yet. "I am Jaws," he replied.
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One of my good friends in the dorm is totally learning Na’vi… And he is a photoshop wizard and edited some of his pictures to look like an avatar… It’s totally ridiculous and insane.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
I had a friend who learned Klingon years ago
Then he was abducted.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Agreed

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 22, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well Fail. Fail, fail, fail.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 22, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be sorry,
get even.
Anyway, “Jaws” is still more recognizable for its music than almost any movie of the past 60 years, maybe of all time with the exception of the GWTW soundtrack. No modern movie will ever have a theme song as awesome as the “Jaws” track.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Bullshit
I know of one that whupps it’s ass.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was like getting Rick rolled.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
....'s pretend there's another word in that comment that makes it a intelligible.
…And that I didn’t do something weird that posted the first word of the correction comment.
IAN! I'm on traain!
most famous two notes in American history?
Beethoven’s V has the 4 notes, but everyone knows the beginning of Jaws theme.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Most recognized four notes - Intel jingle?
"She goes to the tanning bed.....you know what that means." -- obc2
So this is the thread about the BRM in '75 and '76 WS and the book and stuff?
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
well, yeah except ....
… we already know how the 1975 and 1976 seasons ended. We know who won.
With the movie, I think the shark comes back.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Do you remember those seasons?
And seriously, what was the view of Gullet back then? That he was weak and couldn’t handle the workload, or that the Reds mismanaged him?
Gullet was a magnificent athlete.
He scored 72 points in a high school football game. Was a fine basketball player. At the time, he was ad good as any LHP in the NL, save for maybe Steve Carlton. He also wad a good-hitting pitcher.
The thumb injury was a fluke, but pitching coach Larty Shepherd took a fair amount of heat for various injuries to Reds pitchers. Wayne Simpson, Gary Nolan, Jim McGlothlin, Gullet, etc.
Gullet’s injury gave Pat Darcy more of an opportunity. It also led Sparky to use his pen even more than usual. The Rexs didn’t feature dominant relievers, but they were solid and rubber-armed. Those fresh arms preserved many a lead.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 22, 2010 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sure wish I could type today.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 22, 2010 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pat Darcy was the Mike Stanton of the 70's
I disliked him even as an 8 year old boy..
didn’t he also give up the game winning home run in game 6 ?
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jan 22, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, after he spent the two innings before constantly pumping the heater...
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
oh yes
I forgot the animal porn part
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Mets trade for Gary Matthews
Angels will pay 21 of the remaining 23M on the last two years of the deal. I hope we at least offered Wee Willy with a fat discount.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=4848752
wow He's 59...still a bit younger than I, wonder if he'll get a chance to play with his kid...like the Griffey's
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Back to the book.
Has anyone else finished it yet? I got through it in about 4 days or so after the holiday. It just zipped right along.
The only thing that I have a beef with is the portrayal of Jeff Ruby. It makes him sound likable, almost timid in the conversations with Sparky. Ruby is neither of those things. He’s an ass. He has been for the ten years that I’ve known him anyway. Must’ve been tough for Poz to get accounts from that time from the likes of Ruby and never being able to speak with Sparky. If Sparky and Jeff were that close, I’d hate to think that Sparky’s an ass too.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
I finished it
in about the same time frame you did.
Honestly, I thought the book wasn’t as well-written as Poz’s blogz. He mentions at the end that he wanted to write a story about Pete Rose, but figured this would be a better way. I’m not sure I agree with him there.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I agree, it was not great, but
as far as most sports books go, it was fine.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Also read it in a small number of days. It was interesting, but the entries were generally too short and didn’t necessarily flow. Using his own expectation/result scale from his blog posts (though he uses it for movies), it was a -1. (Expectation: 3.5, Reality: 2.5) Soul of Baseball, as well as a good number of his blog posts/columns, was a fair bit better.
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." --Fay
by RedStalk on Jan 22, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...this is what I meant to say.
and rec’d as such.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
read it in a day
good read. but I liked The Soul of Baseball better…
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
I read this back in August when it came out.
I randomly picked The Soul of Baseball off my dad’s bookshelf this summer when I needed a plane book. Read that in just a few days and came home raving about it and wondering who this guy Posnanski was. When I looked him up online, I found out about his upcoming The Machine. I bought my copy at Joseph-Beth when Poz was speaking there.
Unfortunately, my copy’s in a box somewhere, otherwise I’d pull it out to join more specifically in the discussion. My general impression of the book was that it was a relatively comprehensive (and interesting and well-written) look at an era of Reds baseball that still dominates the conversation today. As someone who follows the Reds now but wasn’t around back then, I found it fascinating. (By the same token, I really liked the bits that gave a picture of what was happening in the world outside of the stadium. I’ve heard some criticism of those parts, but for a child of the 90’s, those were helpful.)
Anyway, I think my original point was: I, too, enjoyed The Machine but liked The Soul of Baseball better.
by the finest muffins on Jan 22, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I was at Joseph Beth when Poz was speaking there as well
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Child of the 90s......damnit I'm old
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Yes you are.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 24, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Respect your elders, whippersnapper!
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
I have not had a chance to read The Machine
And I’m finding all these reviews as a sign that I should rent it from the library? (Help me out folks, is it worth buying?)
JoPoz, IMO, is the best daily sports writer in America. I love his work but it seems he came up a little short here. Is there anything new for those who have already read a ton about the Reds in the 1970s?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 22, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions
It's interesting as far as
some of the character studies. Griffey’s relationship to his teammates, for instance. Bench being shown in a true, not terribly flattering light. I enjoyed those aspects of the book. The writing is fine. Not spectacular, but fine.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 22, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with that
It was the perfect book for me and my fandom at this point. I didn’t know much about the personalities of the BRM beyond the general stereotypes, so this was a great look into that. The stories about Concepcion were the most enjoyable for me. For someone less obsessed with the Reds the book would still be good but not quite as captivating.
I generally liked the writing, but the pop culture vignettes were a little hit-or-miss. I loved the Jaws one, especially Pete’s quote at the end. Others, like the Evil Knievel story, seemed forced.
This
I didn’t know much about the personalities of the BRM beyond the general stereotypes, so this was a great look into that.
is what I was trying to get at with my first comment. It’s helpful to today’s Reds fan, because this town is still obsessed with these guys.
I liked reading about George Foster. There’s a home for juvenile delinquent boys in Dayton with his name on it, and in The Machine I could see how he became the guy who put his money to that use.
by the finest muffins on Jan 23, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Foster came off the best
just a cool, God-lovin’ dude who happened to mash. The Big Four came off as kind of jerks with the whole “there’s these guys and there’s turds” thing, but man. Foster. Just crushing pitchers and praisin’ God. There’s something to be said about that.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Well, it can't hurt to "rent" it from the library, right?
Nothing lost if you discover you hate it.
by the finest muffins on Jan 22, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
was there ever something else here
besides a nasty note from Canadian conservatives? wow.
by the finest muffins on Jan 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the US does export something after all
"They're the ones that gave you the keys, they can’t get upset when you crash the car" -- 'tHan on my being a mod
i wish we would stop being so annoying
and become more like Canada.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
If you guys just keep discussingthe book, I won't have to read it, buy or borrow it.
"Television has brought back murder into the home - where it belongs."
Alfred Hitchcock 1899 - 1980
Jose Arredondo?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Guy was lights out with Angels in 2008
Pitched crappily and ended up hurt in 2009. He is going to undergo Tommy John surgery soon. Obviously of no use this season, but a nice little gamble for 2011.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 22, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Did you reply to boobs yet about 2010 Bereavement?
by Brian B on Jan 22, 2010 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah, I need to make a decision on that
Not sure if I’m doing it or not. Will let him know this weekend
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 22, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice pickup.
No risk. Potentially great reward. I think a solid bullpen can be put together relatively inexpensively. A move such as this is a step n the right direction.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 23, 2010 12:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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