RR Community Prospect Rankings: Valaika defeats Boxberger!
by BK on Jan 19, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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After a close race on Friday, with Matt Maloney edging Brad Boxberger by one vote, Monday's contest was looking to be a sure thing for Boxy. However, Chris Valaika dominated this one, and it wasn't even close. Valaika got by solely on his previous years in the system, as his 2009 was nothing to wrote home about.
As if Boxy didn't have enough competition, we add 3 more names to the list today, all of them promising toolsy players from the low minors. Who's number 12?
Enerio Del Rosario, RHRP:
Made huge strides at 3 levels last season. Doesn't strike out a lot of people, but doesn't walk a ton either and keeps the ball in the ballpark. Also, is a ground ball machine (68.4 GB% in 2009). Stuff is not overpowering, but changes speeds well and "knows how to pitch".
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 20
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed in 2007 out of the Dominican Republic
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 31 G, 2-1, 1.98 ERA, 50 IP, 33 K, 6 BB, .92 WHIP
Carolina (AA) : 4 G, 0-0, 1.59 ERA, 5.2 IP, 9 K, 0 BB, .35 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 15 G, 1-0, 1.09, 24.2 IP, 12 K, 6 BB, 1.22 WHIP
Gigantes (DWL): 20 G, 3-2, 1.99 ERA, 22.2 IP, 11 K, 3 BB, .93 WHIP
Brad Boxberger, RHSP:
Had a great year at USC last season, but hasn't pitched in pro ball yet. AFL was not impressive, but has great tools. Has three at least average pitches, including a fastball in the low 90s that cuts with late action, can touch 94 with it. Also throws a 12-6 curve and a buckling knuckle-curve. Scouts say he has middle of the rotation potential.
Baseball America rank: 9
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 7
Age: 21
Draft/Acquisition Details: 1st round (pick 43), Reds, 2009
Highest Level Played: NCAA (USC)
2009 Statistics:
USC (NCAA): 14 GS, 6-3, 3.16 ERA, 94 IP, 99 K, 50 BB, 1.27 WHIP
Peoria (AFL): 8 G, 1-1, 11.37 ERA, 12.2 IP, 13 K, 7 BB, 1.89 WHIP
Devin Mesoraco, C:
2007 first round pick has yet to show skills at the plate, although his peripherals are improving, and this year's numbers were likely depressed by the Florida State League. Has improved his line drive rate and isolated power each year in the minors, and walk rate this year was a very solid 10%. Defensively, still a work in progress, but improving: threw out 30% of attempted stealers this year. Still young, but needs to perform in 2010.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 11
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 1st round (15th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 92 G, 312 AB, 8 HR, 37 RBI, 0 SB, .228/.311/.381/.692
Neftali Soto, 3B:
Very toolsy, but had a down year. Like Mesoraco, numbers were depressed by playing in the Florida State League. Has been very young for every level he's played as a pro, and dominated until this season. Makes decent contact, but doesn't walk much. Very good power potential and potential to hit for average. Question where he fits defensively. Might be moved to the outfield.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 2
2010 John Sickels Rank: 15
Age: 21
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (109th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 131 G, 505 AB, 11 HR, 57 RBI, 1 SB, .248/.282/.362/.644
Caguas (PR): 1 G, 3 AB, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0 SB, .667/.667/1.333/2.000
Matt Klinker, RHSP:
Local product from Lakota West HS in Cincinnati. Late round pick who had success at 3 levels last season, but has finally caught up to his age. K/9 averages over 9, with a good walk rate, although this the first time in his career that it's been that high. Throws a 2-seam fastball and a looping 12-6 curve. A little prone to giving up HRs to lefties, at 1.43 HR/9 last year.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 25
Draft/Acquisition Details: 15th round (469th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 9 GS, 2-2, 4.89 ERA, 42.1 IP, 42 K, 8 BB, 1.44 WHIP
Carolina (AA): 6 GS, 3-2, 2.95 ERA, 36.2 IP, 40 K, 13 BB, 1.09 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 5 GS, 2-2, 2.48 ERA, 29 IP, 30 K, 13 BB, 1.21 WHIP
Logan Ondrusek, RHRP:
Tall. Converted from a starter to setup man after 2007. Was old for his level in Sarasota, but pitched lights out there and had success at 3 levels last season. Doesn't strike out a lot of guys, but keeps the ball on the ground and in the ballpark. Walks weren't a huge concern last year, but that was a drastic outlier. He throws a 4-seam fastball in the low-mid 90s, and a change in the low 80s, along with a slider and cutter. Had a rough AFL campaign, giving up 4 HR in 10 innings after giving up 1 in 72 during the season.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 25 (on February 13)
Draft/Acquisition Details: 13rd round (392nd pick), Reds, 2005
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 13 G, 2-0, 0.96 ERA, 18.2 IP, 12 K, 7 BB, .75 WHIP
Carolina (AA): 24 G, 2-1, 1.65 ERA, 32.2 IP, 24 K, 12 BB, 1.01 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 19 G, 0-0, 1.74 ERA, 20.2 IP, 11 K, 2 BB, .87 WHIP
Peoria Saguaros (AFL): 10 G, 2-1, 13.50 ERA, 10 IP, 8 K, 2 BB, 2.4 WHIP
Donnie Joseph, RHRP:
Very effective in Billings and Dayton last season. Lots of strikeouts (11.34K/9), control may be an issue. Held hitters to a .165 average, and didn't give up any long balls in 33.1 IP. Downright nasty against lefties, and could move up the system quickly. Two pitch pitcher, with a fastball in the low 90s up to around 94, and an above average slider with plenty of break. Also known as a high-character guy.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 11
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (88th pick), Reds, 2009
Highest Level Played: A (Dayton)
2009 Statistics:
Houston (NCAA): 31 G, 3-1, 2.16 ERA, 50 IP, 75 K, 22 BB, 1.10 WHIP
Billings (Rookie): 8 G, 2-0, 0.77 ERA, 11.2 IP, 11 K, 4 BB, .86 WHIP
Dayton (A): 16 G, 2-2, 4.35 ERA, 20.2 IP, 31 K, 10 BB, 1.11 WHIP
Josh Fellhauer, CF:
Cal St. Fullerton product displayed good plate discipline (7.5% BB rate) and solid contact skills (14.4% K rate) in Dayton this season. Has compact swing that doesn’t produce much power. Good runner, but not excellent. Somewhat like Chris Heisey, has solid tools but no outstanding ones. If he can stick in CF could be a solid prospect. If he needs to move to a corner spot probably lacks the power to progress.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 13
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 7th round (209th pick), Reds, 2009
Highest Level Played: A (Dayton)
2009 Statistics:
Cal State Fullerton (NCAA): 60 G, 227 AB, 6 HR, 55 RBI, 18 SB, .396/.478/.529/1.007
Dayton (A): 57 G, 236 AB, 7 HR, 23 RBI, 7 SB, .280/.351/.453/.804
Mariekson (D.D.) Gregorius, SS:
Has the arm and range to stick at SS. (DD at SS?) Good plate discipline at a young age, makes excellent contact (13% K rate). Has very little power, even for a SS, but that could develop as he gets older. Currently only listed at 6’-1", 152 lbs, so frame has room to fill out a bit.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 20
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed in 2008 out of the Netherlands
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2009 Statistics:
Billings (Rookie): 50 G, 204 AB, 1 HR, 16 RBI, 8 SB, .314/.363/.387/.750
Sarasota (A+): 22 G, 71 AB, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 0 SB, .254/.274/.310/.584
Juan Carlos (J.C.) Sulbaran, RHSP:
Curacao product who built a reputation on the Netherlands national team in the WBC last summer. Didn't have the best debut season, but there are lots of things to be excited about. K/9 rate is excellent at 9.41, but needs to corral the fly balls, as that's where more than half of the balls hit landed, and his HR rate was not impressive. Same with walk rate, not good. Throws a fastball in the low 90s with a lot of movement that he can hit 94 with, and an average to above average changeup and curveball. Changeup runs in the low 80s, about a 10mph difference to fastball, and the curveball moves a lot too.
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 19
Age: 20
Draft/Acquisition Details: 30th round (899th pick), Reds, 2008
Highest Level Played: A (Dayton)
2009 Statistics:
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Isn't Maloney too old to be considered a prospect?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Poor Devin b/c he sucks, and is a crappy prospect
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 19, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure where you're getting "crappy prospect" from
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
right
there arent many catchers his age at his level with an isoD of .083 and an isoP of .153. not to mention his defense. and his incredibly projectable tools. i think he’s a tremendous breakout candidate for next season.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 19, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
He hates every Reds first rounder
That is where he gets it from. He hates Drew Stubbs because he isn’t Tim Lincecum. He hates Mesoraco because he is a catcher in the first round. Heck, he might just hate Reds prospects as a whole, I haven’t figured it out yet. Usually its either they are the best thing since sliced bread or they are the worst thing to ever happen with him. Still haven’t quite figured it out.
I don't think disliking Devin Mesoraco as a prospect should reflect negatively on someone
At this point, Devin’s Defense Brigade seems to consist of Doug and anybody he’s convinced with iso numbers and part of a season’s worth of defensive numbers. Despite showing decent power and eye (at least last season), his strikeout rate went up, he’s still shown no ability to hit for average, and his defensive ability needs to show for more than 3 months before I can really buy into it. There’s still time for Devin to turn into a major leaguer, but even if he does, his upside looks like a John Buck type.
You’re more than welcome to believe in Mesoraco, but there are just as many “crappy prospect” indicators as there are “tremendous breakout” indicators. My personal opinion goes something like this: Behind the plate, Mesoraco has unimpressive athletic ability, a pudgy body, a solid arm, and his defensive upside appears to be average at best, sitting below that right now. At the plate, his knowledge of the strike zone is solid but his pitch recognition leaves something to be desired, which I worry may be exploited by higher level pitchers. He has the bat speed to be a decent hitter but his bat control is thoroughly unimpressive right now, and I don’t think his issues hitting for average are going away anytime soon. Should develop 15-20 homerun power if he refines the rest of his skills to the point where he could be a major leaguer, but that’s a big if. In the end, Mesoraco is a C-level prospect that’ll probably be a major league back-up at some point, but the chances of him being something more than that don’t look very good to me.
2 years ago this would have been a completely differently response.
well, the gist of it may have been the same but the tone woulda been much harsher.
I went to the Doug church of Devin on this one.
You convinced me a while back he isn’t as bad as it appears. I’ve got him in this round.
I may be voting for him for the next 5 rounds :)
Not true, I don't hate every Reds 1st Rounder
Guys I liked:
Mike Leake
Yonder Alonso (although I prefered Gordon Beckham)
Jay Bruce
Ryan Wagner
Jeremy Sowers
Ty Howington
Austin Kearns
Brandon Larson
Guys I thought we wasted the draft pick:
Devin Mesoraco (although in his defense, it was a weak draft)
Robert Stubbs
Homer Bailey
Chris Gruler
David Espinosa
John Oliver
CJ Nitkowski
Chad Mottola
As a whole, I’ve felt the Reds have drafted poorly, although Alonso and Leake renewed my faith in young pups, after 2 straight punts with Mesoraco and Stubbs.
I root for these kids b/c they’re Reds, and I want them to help the team either by on-field contributions, or by what they bring us via trade. It’s really hard for me to get excited about projections, however. I get excited by results. Unfortunately, Reds prospects recently have not netted much positive results.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 19, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, I should have gone with "often injured" prospect
IIRC, thumb(s) issue, knee issue, and a foot issue.
I guess I’m also not overly enamored with his high K:BB, his low OBP, his non-existent SLG, or his increased GIDP in 2009.
I really hope he breaks out in 2010, b/c right now he’s showing the ineptitude of recent Reds draft strategy
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 19, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
always is amazing to me
that if a team misses on their first rounder even a little, it means they suck at drafting. nevermind that there are 49 other rounds to select players in
nevermind that the draft is in essence a crapshoot anyway
nevermind that its impossible to be always right about these kids without a crystal ball
nevermind that there are 29 other teams that you know nothing about their draft strategies, yet somehow you’re sure the Reds are in the suck category
nevermind that budget contstraints cause teams to have to be careful who they draft and who they can sign, so funny picks will happen from time to time.
nah, none of that matters. Drew Stubbs does not equal Tim Lincecum, thus the Reds suck. just….awful.
hardon
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 20, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Probably the best idea, if you try to run it's gonna hurt like hell
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To quote a friend of mine in the dorms...
“Quit struggling! It only makes me harder”.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
That's what he said
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
Clearly you missed the point, and decided to prop up your strawman and then tear it down, sharks
Assuming I give the Reds a 1st Round pass on Mesoraco due to that draft yielded guys like Tim Alderson, Aaron Poreda, Rick Porcello (who was going to hold his draft team hostage for a signing bonus), and Andrew Brackman, that means they still screwed the pooch in 2006 with Robert Stubbs.
When they picked Stubbs, the following guys were still left on the board:
Tim Lincecum
Max Scherzer
Travis Snider
Kyle Drabek
Ian Kennedy
Daniel Bard
Emmanuel Burriss
Chris Coghlan
Joba Chamberlain
So, I have a problem with the Reds picking Stubbs with those names still left on the board b/c it tells me that they DID NOT take the best available player, and attempted to draft for need, which historically has been a bad idea for any MLB team, since you’re right that drafts are in fact crapshoots.
I want the Reds to do a better job of identifying the best talent on the board at the time of their pick. I think they’ve succeeded in doing so the last 2 years, however as I’ve previously stated I think they missed the boat with Mesoraco and Stubbs, and HS pitchers are risky in the 1st Round, which is why I wasn’t happy with the Homer Bailey pick, b/c Jered Weaver, Stephen Drew, Josh Fields, Glen Perkins, Phil Hughes (although another HS arm), Taylor Tankersley, JP Howell, and Huston Street were still on the board.
Every team finds some hidden gems in later rounds, but with the money given to a team’s first couple draft picks, they need to spend their draft cash wisely, especially being a small market team.
I just want the Reds to be better, that’s all.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 20, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
You're asking them to predict the future though
Hindsight is 20/20. You can’t get mad about personnel decisions because they’re done without a precise view of the future. If the Yankees were in the Reds position, would they have drafted Joba with that pick? I bet they wouldn’t have. Every team takes the best available player that suits their needs at the time. I don’t have a whole lot to complain about with Drew Stubbs, honestly. Sure, we “could have had Scherzer or Lincecum”, but there would have been no way of knowing.
Remember when the Reds made the deal to get Junior, and everyone thought it was a great deal at the time? This is like going up today and saying “that was a terrible deal, Mike Cameron was very good in Seattle and KGJ got hurt all the time”. All the scouting and homework in the world can’t predict the future.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
I just want them to get better at evaluating the best talent on the board, regardless of need
Drafting for need is a poor way to run a team, in my opinion. Drafting the best talent available at least allows for the opportunity to then trade for need, based on the talent in your stable.
I don’t want the Reds to think short-sightedly when it comes to talent and the big picture. Take the best available player, and get better at identifying that best player.
by Highlifeman21 on Jan 20, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Drew Stubbs over Burriss and Kennedy 8 days a week.
And I’d think long and hard about taking him over about half the rest of that list.
you do realize this whole post is a strawman, right?
your picking through names 3-4 years later, finding the best examples for your point, and making it look like a slam dunk. What you’re not doing, is looking at the other side of the coin. You know why I’m glad we have drew stubbs? it’s that he’s not:
Greg Reynolds
Andrew Miller
William Rowell
Tyler Colvin
Matt Antonelli
Brett Sinkbeil
Colton Willems
Maxwell Sapp
John Johnson
etc. etc. etc.
point obviously being that we’re actually pretty damn lucky we even have someone from that draft make the majors, I’m not sure how that makes the Reds “inept” at drafting guys.
Even with that, the argument I just made is a bad argument, because I’m cherry-picking guys just like you were. Both are bad ways to look at the draft, since you have the benefit of hindsight. You can’t for one second tell me that at the time of the 2006 draft you knew all those guys you just named were going to work out. Knowing that, there is no basis to your argument, especially when the exact opposite is also true. Frankly I think we’re lucky Stubbs is even around at all.
As for Mesoraco, I think that was a little bit of a missed pick (though completely writing him off I think is foolish), but it sometimes seems that no one remembers that they picked Frazier right after him. So what if they missed some on a first rounder, they hedged that risk with a solid pick in frazier. not to mention they also picked Cozart, Soto, Klinker, Roenicke, Waring, and a few other guys I’ve heard mentioned as having success, not to mention Lotzkar who had good stuff but ran into injury trouble. Were the Reds truly “inept” that year just because they missed on their first rounder? Does it matter that they got a first round talent in the compensation round? (not to mention the long list of guys picked after mesoraco I’ve never even heard of).
I just think the statement “the ineptitude of recent Reds draft strategy” is a gross overstatement just to show your dislike for mesoraco, and no I definitely don’t think he’s some sort of “representation” for their ineptness. If they picked him as a signability type pick and got those other guys because of it, I think their strategy that year was actually pretty good (especially if it was a weak draft year, as you said before).
I do agree however that they were drafting for need too much, but they seem to have been better about that lately.
that's not really what i meant...
i don’t see him getting much love in these polls yet he was a 1st round pick.
Gregorious cracks the list before Billy Hamilton?
I wouldn’t have voted for either before Soto or Boxberger. But Hamilton – along with Duran and maybe Carlos Silva- are probably guys I would vote for ahead of about half this list. I’m guessing we’ll see them soon. Don’t know what to think of the future bullpen arms. Del Rosario and Ondrusek could both be solid, high-leverage caliber guys.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions
Isn't Carlos Silva too old to be considered a prospect?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 19, 2010 10:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I thought
but he was traded by the Mariners for Milton Bradley, so… I meant Juan Silva. I know this is hair-splitting.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 19, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Waiting to serve jury duty in Queens, the most diverse county in the country
And the woman trying to call names is struggling. I’m on my phone and can’t tell…who’s winning?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
by nycredsfan on Jan 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chapman!
Just felt like we hadn’t talked about him for a bit.
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
Chapman who?
Johnny Appleseed?
Or somebody more current?
Is he on the list?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
"Aroldis is throwing seeds!"
It has possibilities, and we all know what they are.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
boobs.
No body really cares about the 11th or 12th or whatever prospect/suspect…I care however that my Birthday is tomorrow and am expecting a lot of big presents….
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
After Boxberger and Soto, the next 10-15 guys look like they could go in about any order.
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, though.
Poljus and Oswalt care about beaing low round draft picks.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 20, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
okay, I didn't realize until 'tHan's "good lord" comment that this was supposed to say Pujols
But once I figured that out, I went over to Baseball Reference to check him out. I had no idea Pujols was drafted so low! And he only spent a year in the minors, apparently. How does someone go from being a 17th round draft pick in 1999 to being Rookie of the Year in 2001? There has to be a story there, right?
by the finest muffins on Jan 20, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
The best I can come up with (that doesn't include PEDs)
is that Pujols played high school ball in Independence, Missouri — not exactly a baseball Mecca — and then played just one year of community college ball at Maple Woods Community College in Kansas City. He was a monster in both high school and his one year in college but the talent he was playing against was, to put it kindly, TERRIBLE. My guess is that no one could really judge how good he was. With him being in Missouri, the Cards probably got the most looks at him and may have seen him against better talent.
Community College players usually don’t get scouts excited because the level of competition is not what a big Div. I school or top-level high school team would be. The Cardinals probably saw through all the so-so competition and realized he had some potential. Also, it was so late in the draft what could it hurt if the kid from Maple Woods didn’t pan out?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 20, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
just another feather in the dunce cap for the Royals
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 20, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 20, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that fulfills my request for a story
And it makes sense. Thanks. I’m surprised I haven’t heard it from an announcer or two (cough, George Grande, cough) in the past.
Still, that must have been a monster year in the minors to get the call-up that quickly.
by the finest muffins on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Muffins - You've not visited my Birthday Thread...don't cha like ol'Mads?
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
just remember this...
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 20, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
awww
I miss the old Office episodes, when Pam used to be an aspiring illustrator and Jim and Pam used to play pranks on Dwight. Those were the days.
by the finest muffins on Jan 20, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Jim grew up alot the day he got that promotion. it changed the whole dynamic of the show. it’s still the best on television though. it still has a long way to fall.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 20, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
So is 30 Rock
The only thing The Office has over these two is that I care more about its characters. We’ll see how long that keeps me a viewer.
And it’s not at all comparable, but I think Lost is better, too.
by the finest muffins on Jan 20, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
i havent been able to get into it
i’ve tried to watch it more than a few times, but it’s not happening for me.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 21, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
are you serious?
Tom and Ron are awesome!
Parks & Rec has grown tremendously in its 2nd season. It’s a great show.
if you say so
i havent watched any of the 2nd season. if you guys rave about so much then it’s quite possible im the one missing something.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 21, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Go to Hulu when you get a chance, Charlie,
and check out as many episodes as possible from season 2 (I believe they’re all still up). That show is amazing.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Did everyone watch the Aziz Ansari standup special on Comedy Central last weekend?
it was ridiculously funny.
I wanted to see it but unfortunately did not
I’m sure it was great. That guy’s funny.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly
They only have the last five episodes up. I still haven’t seen season 1 or the first few of season 2, since I didn’t get introduced to it until late October. Still, check it out. You should be able to follow things enough.
by the finest muffins on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ep. 1 of Season 2 is amazing
Leslie marries two penguins at the zoo — but unknown to her they’re both male. The city gets PISSED!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Season 1 was really blah
As big a fan as I am of Ken Tremendous, Rashida Jones, and Aziz Ansari, I just couldn’t work up much enthusiasm for the first season. The second season has blown me away. I had no expectations, and it’s become one of the best shows on television. (Sadly, Rashida Jones still hasn’t hit her full stride yet and still seems like a bit of a weak link on the show.)
by Brendanukkah on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the writers are really sure what
to do with her and Mark. They’re season 2’s version of ‘the Pit’ — a situation that the writers have written themselves into a corner with.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I liked what they did last week, and sort of acknowledging that Mark and Anne are a weird couple
How she was trying to keep that lawyer in her back pocket. She doesn’t work with Andy, and she doesn’t work with Mark. Her best relationship is with Leslie, and she’s not fully comfortable with that either. She also spends a ton of time at the Department of Parks and Recreation for being a nurse.
They’ll figure something out. Maybe she’ll move to Utica.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on most points
but especially the whole ‘spends a ton of time at the Department of Parks and Recreation for being a nurse.’
Will Arnett, was great in that one.
“Booooo! Go Hoosiers!”
“NO! Badgers.”
That killed me. I can’t help but think Ken Tremendous wrote that — as well as all the Colts-related jokes.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I love Leslie Knope
She’s a much more sympathetic and believable character than Michael Scott. Same social awkwardness, more brains and more humanity.
I also think April is a fantastic character.
by the finest muffins on Jan 21, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
"Whoa, you'll never believe what I found on Jerry's Facebook page!"
“A friend?”
I love that they just destroy Jerry too.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 21, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on all points.
Also, I’m not sure how many people here live/have lived in a small town or worked closely with small town politics, but that show hits so close to home it borders on scary. Even the over-the-top wacky stuff is still believable. Ron Swansons and Leslie Knopes do actually exist and in some cases — they’re much worse/comical/over-the-top than their on-screen counterparts.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't lived in a small town
But I have worked in several nonprofits. This is the closest thing on television to capturing my workplace experience.
by the finest muffins on Jan 21, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
You would probably like this then.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I DO like it already
Thanks for the affirmation, though!
by the finest muffins on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I might have to watch
Previously, the show that came closest to capturing where I grew up was Squidbillies.
"She goes to the tanning bed.....you know what that means." -- obc2
That is a brilliant show.
God, I love Squidbillies.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Parks and Rec is the best show on NBC's Thursday lineup
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
it also lost the tension of jim and pam wanting to jump eachothers bones
but not being able to due to a number of issues.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 20, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's what their trying to build with Andy and Erin
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
*They're
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
i expected better from you
unacceptable
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 21, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 21, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
And where the hell has Red Poodle gone..oh where oh whee can she be?
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
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