The Greatest Reds: The "I don't know how to quit you" Edition
It’s been a few weeks since the last installation of The Greatest Reds series, but I have a couple of complementary pieces I wanted to tack on before the start of Spring Training. This first follow-up will investigate the concept of replacement value with respect to the top 100 list, and will also contemplate where Aroldis Chapman currently sits on the list. Into the gory details, after the jump…
At the very beginning of the top 100 countdown, I wrote a brief explanation of Win Shares, and why I used them as a starting point for the rankings. I also shared what is commonly considered to be Win Shares' primary flaw: it uses a very low baseline, such that a mediocre player can accumulate significant Win Share totals more or less just by showing up and being inserted into the lineup.
In other words, what is missing from Win Shares is context: how many games or innings or at-bats did it take the player to earn 10 Win Shares? To some degree, all valuation metrics suffer from this, although the common remedy is to establish "replacement level" baselines that use a theoretical concept of freely available replacement talent, and calculate value above that line.
The Win Shares-centric version of this concept has been publicly championed by Dave Studeman, and he named his modified metric Win Shares Above Bench (WSAB). It takes a player's level of Win Shares, then subtracts the level of Win Shares we might expect a bench/replacement player to earn over the same amount of playing time.
Readers with OCD will remember that the top 100 countdown was not a strict Win Shares ranking, but tried to balance career and peak performances. With WSAB, I tried first to rank strictly on pure career totals, and then applied a similar peak component like with the original list. Here's a table with the three versions:
On the left is the list that ran on the website, in the middle is the career only ranking, and on the right is WSAB with peak/prime adjustments. You'll also notice the color coding: players in red are those who have dropped more than ten spots from the original list. Players in green are those who have risen more than ten spots. Yellow names indicate those who didn't place in the Win Share-based list, and blue shading is for those players who drop completely out of the top 100.
Bullet-point observations:
- Since color = variance, it's rather obvious to point out that regardless of the value metric used, there's not a whole lot of shake-up at the top of the lists. I would imagine this to be true of nearly all franchises.
- Pitchers do well with the higher replacement level, and this is by design. One of the ongoing criticisms with Win Shares is that it doesn't allocate enough credit to pitchers, so the WSAB metric adjusts accordingly. So down-list, you'll see a bunch of pitchers (including relievers) making significant jumps up the list. At the top, however, this is still a hitting franchise: Just one of the top 10 is a pitcher (peaking at #8) compared to none in the first list, and 7 of the top 25 in the WSAB list, as opposed to the initial six. Fascinating (to me) is John Franco's placement in the top 40.
- Conversely, the players who fall out of the top 100 are primarily up-the-middle guys, including a bunch of guys who had better gloves than bats, and who tended to get stable playing time over a decent length of time.
- Of the current players, Brandon Phillips is swapped out for Joey Votto.
- Still Pete Rose at the top (sorry, Slyde). In the WSAB influenced list, Pete's scores about 7% higher than the #2 guy, as opposed to 16% in the original list.
In my opinion, the list on the right is closer to how I would draft for a sim league, while the list on the left matches more satisfactorily my instincts and perceptions as a fan. To use one brief example from today's team, there is no doubt that Joey Votto is a better player than Brandon Phillips, and I can understand how and why Votto's added more incremental value to the club over his short career. On the other hand, Phillips has more than double the appearances than Votto, and is perceived in my mind as the more historically significant Redleg. Additionally, should Votto hit .240 next year, with no power while playing every day (henceforth: "dropping a Tavares"), he would fall off the list on the right. Should Phillips do the same, he would remain on the left-hand list. Again, the former makes sense; the latter appeals to the aesthetics of fandom.
Perhaps a combination of the two would satisfy the competing instincts. Or perhaps we're swimming in murky water, resistant to strict definition. What say you?
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I still don't know all the intricacies of WSAB
vs. WAR, but I think if the baseline is sensible, that should take care of some of the freerider issues which reward players unduly for just sticking around a long time, rather than sustained, meaningful performance. The top 20 between these lists aren’t significantly altered, so that seems like a good indicator. The rarefied ranks from north of Eric Davis or so roughly match my fan instincts and seem top award both longevity and performance.
But the finer points about where players like Rose, Morgan, Larkin or Robinson should end up are unresolved and largely philosophical, turning on how much an evaluation system should weigh peak vs. entire (Reds) career performance. I would add that it’s worth considering the value of the wins each player contributed, though this would favor players who happened to play on competitive teams. If a player contributed more to the postseason success of a franchise and thereby, its history, would this be a qualification for “greatness” – or is the list simply weighing regular season value, adjusted for era and park?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 15, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions
WAR and WSAB are closely correlated
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/war-and-wsab/
Primary reasons to favor WAR (at least Rally’s implementation of it) are the better fielding metric and better position adjustments (especially starter vs. reliever baselines, which AFAIK are still not correctly done in WSAB).
But that said, on the whole, WSAB is a much better metric for value discussions than WS because it eliminates the baseline issue, as riverfront said. It will generally track WAR very well. There are still differences between the WAR & WSAB rankings, but it’s pretty close.
-j
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pitcher baselines
I used 50% of expected value for starting pitchers, and 75% of EV for relievers.
by riverfront76 on Jan 15, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
That helps a lot!
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Awesome post
But Leo Cardenas now hates you, and Rob Dibble wants to buy you a beer.
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions
I'm still
rootin’ for Dummy Hoy to move up the list.
I have to confess to being alien to stats in comparison to real life, but I applaud you for endeavoring this.
That would be the sound of my hands smacking up against my forehead. “WTF is he talking about?”
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
so i just defied Bubba, Madville, and D's predictions
I flew a plane at Butler County Regional Airport.
I taxied, took off, did most of teh inflight manuvers, helped line it up for landing, and the flight instructor landed. She was pleased with my performance.
If anybody has the itch to fly check out your local flght school, many offer “discovery flights” which allow you to do what I did, and are a low cost way to see if you have it in you to fly.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"she was pleased with my performance"...first time you've ever been able to say that?
j/k, that’s pretty cool justin. You going to go up again?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
probably in flight school
Which is some time off, I mean this was great for my first time but $70 for a half our of in flight training is steep. I just have to decide what I want to do after I get my MA in history. I mean it wouldn’t be bad to have a real job and moonlight as a flight instructor either.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
moonlighting
I think astronauts make pretty good money if they can maneuver the lunar lander. So the 70 buckaroos you invested will pay off, long-run, provided you have a short speech that can be immortalized.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
when I was in college
There was a flying club. Kinda like a ski club, only with planes. You could get discounted flying lessons through them, and many students earned private pilot’s licenses by graduation.
Still not cheap, though.
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what elitist school did you go to again? ski clubs? flying clubs? did you also have polo and fox hunting?
hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha
hahahahaahaha
hahahahahaha just kidding, obviously.
I made fun of a friend for being from Grosse Pointe when I found out her high school had a pool.
Then I found out that having a high school pool in Michigan is pretty normal.
IAN! I'm on traain!
... We had a pool...
The swim team kind of needs water to practice. Apparently concrete isn’t a good substitute.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Well- I never actually saw the pool
But apparently there was one…
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
we didn't have a swim team
Because we didn’t have a pool.
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same here
we couldnt afford a swim team. or textbooks that knew what AIDS was. in 2000.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 17, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
What? The USSR broke up?
They were my favorite band!!!
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
just remember
When you’re paying someone for her time, and she wants you to keep doing so, she’s not going to say your performance was inadequate. ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i learned that years ago...
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
She was pleased with my performance.
Translate – she was grateful to be back on the ground alive.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
I do think
choice of words here might be factored into the remainder of this thread.
Performance may require a thesarial component.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
she only had to take over teh plane to land it
at no time during the flight did she take the plane from me because I seemed over my head.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
hell, I can land a plane
it just bounces once or twice more than is prescribed under manufacturer’s guidelines.
but, best of luck with your new avocation!!
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I'm no hater.
Well-played, Justin.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
so Mads
why don’t you go to a flight school and see how well you fly a plane…
Yeah the guntlet has been thrown down, pick it up BITCH!!!
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
The guntlet?
That sounds sexual.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
cuaffle
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That too.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Justin...
I do not need an airplane to fly…
Back in the day after walking 14 miles through the desert home from school, with no shoes and my water skins empty..I worked on a flying machine that was ahead of its time…

Justin – really congrats man I couldn’t fly a plane unless Julie Skaggerty was there to guide me.
(That’s Mads as co-pilot)

Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
it really isn't that difficult
you should try it.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care much for heights.
But when you get certified (as a pilot, that is) I’ll go up with you.
As long as we can buzz obc’s house.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
i understand
my fiance will never go up with me, unless I am flying a commercial jet. Otherwise she doesn’t think it is safe.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
sadly
you’re girlfriend will never go down with you either
by 'tHan on Jan 15, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That kind of comment is offensive to Seniors, Women and Homophonics!
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
great way of putting it:
Joey Votto is a better player than Brandon Phillips…..Phillips…is perceived in my mind as the more historically significant Redleg
Speaking of top 100 Reds,
Darnell McDonald signed a minor league deal with Boston.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Man those Boston fans are going to be so happy about that signing ...
until they realize this McDonald isn’t all that, uh, white.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, Old has a job
I still think he was a pretty warm and fuzzy story last year.
Well warm
sorta fuzzy
Work with me on this one, please.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
WINNAR!!!!

Does that help?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it's not so much insulting to women
as it is insulting to humans in general
by 'tHan on Jan 15, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You must have noticed that I personally have reduced significantly the number of beautiful women sports figures that I post..
I have done this for 5 important reasons:
1. I want Verka to comment more and scantily clad skagettes offend him
2. There are numerous new female posters showing up on the site and I don’t wish to offend them or have them combine forces to have me arrested.
3. Crolfer….now that he has a hot new GF I don’t want to be responsible for giving him any ‘ideas’.
4. What if the ‘Peach’ were to accidentally open up jch’s laptop at the wrong comment!!!!
5. I have decided to insult not only women, but every possible life form on the planet inorder to give equal time to those who have heretofore been left out.
I admit that RR could get a little too PC for my adult tastes…next we won’t be allowed to swear or show guys screwing cows…
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Aroldis'd?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Here's an idea Mads:
You could stop posting pictures of women.
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
is this insulting to men?

Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
have men been treated as objects since the dawn of human existence?
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Obviulsy you haven't met my friend Cal
This was the Xmas Card he sent out to everyone…It was his entire gift list.

Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
isn't it degrading to lable him based on his apperance?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hell yes Calvin is gay..and a damn good bowler to boot.
Some day when I have time I’ll tell you about the summer he filled in for one of the guys on my bowling team…what a riot!
Cal has no problems with checking out a man or ogling a scantily clad faggot..
So don’t give the ole its only women who get treated as sex objects..that’s about as weak as the ole ‘Well if she didn’t dress like that I wouldn’t gawk….hmmmm well maybe there is some truth to that one.

Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
they may be gay men
but they are still men when it comes to objectification.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There also may be strong and enlightened women
But they still know how to dress to make a man (or in some cases another woman) make a double take. Hell ain’t nothing wrong with that. To everything there is a season and a time to look and a time not to look (esp. when the FMM is on the warpath).
So now I’ve confused myself…
We need a poll; Should I or should I not post an occasional pic of a beautiful woman here a RR?
If the answer is no then I can’t post any of my daughter’s pics or any of Ash’s..or…
If the answer is yes then Verka and Sister D will have me publicly castrated (No Cal you can’t watch…)
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i can't judge
i have been told by colleauges that because i’m a white male I can’t really understand society or history… Which is actually one of the reasons I am considering quiting the profession all togeather.
Michael Foucualt and Joan Wallach Scott have hijacked my dicipline, and while they both have their points, at the same time you have people acting in there name saying that the Germ Theory isn’t PC. It is “degrading” to claim that Indians immune systems couldn’t handle European diseases when Europeans first came to the New World in mass. It is terrible to say that a dead baby in 15th-18th century european society wasn’t that much of a lose to society as a whole (not the individual family), because we don’t take the womans role in carrying and delivering the baby. The fact that historians say these things and they are accepted is rediculous.
There is a double stand Madville.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well you just need to read your copy of 'The Cornel West Reader'
and everything will be made clear.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you know how those people who say “i’m not a racist but” are always racist? well, saying “because i’m a white male” is the same. you have never been degraded and disrespected for your gender, and the fact that you basically deny that others are is sexist.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What in the world does this have to do with 'The Greatest Reds?"
The only person who can degrade me is me in the final analysis..so let it lay,
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
There are gender roles on both sides
males are expected to comply to gender roles too. Males who aren’t masculine are considered to be weak and flawed. Why do you think it is considered great sport in some circles to beat the shit out gay men? So please don’t make blanket statements.
Trust me I understand that it is more difficult for women. I know that in the 70s in academia a womans letter of rec from a prof would include her physical attributes and her demeanor rather than her accomplishments.
But I see nothing wrong with us observing an attractive member of the female or male sex. THe day you don’t take a double take a hot shirtless guy, will be the day I don’t take a double take at a girl like Madville posted above. Where does it stop? Should men and women stop trying to look attracitve to other sex simply because it is “Obejectifying” them?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
the '70s?
I have a friend whose current letter of recommendation in academia from her advisor contains her physical description.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
how old was the prof who wrote it?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
pretty old
You know how it is. Once they’re tenured, you can’t get rid of ’em.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 16, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this isn't an excuse
but it sounds like he is an artifact from the way things used to be. I would like to believe that 99% of professors who got their Ph.D’s after 1985 wouldn’t do that.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it's not exactly that
He apparently fears that everyone will assume he’s giving her a good letter of recommendation because he’s boinking her. He described her in less than flattering terms, so people would know he wasn’t.
Not sure if he’s really known for sleeping with all the co-eds, or if he’s a legend in his own mind.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 16, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that is just awkward
Did she read the letters before they were sent or were they actually “sealed”?
If she saw them did she actually send them?
What was her relationship with the writer of her letters in an academic sense (adviser, thesis adviser, dissertation adviser, field exam committee member, etc)?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
she saw it
She thought it was funny. She’s not the kind of person who cares about her looks. She knows no one is going to mistake her for a supermodel, and it doesn’t bother her.
She did use the letter. I can’t remember exactly what kind of advisor he was, if she ever told me.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 17, 2010 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i would just be worried that that letter would hurt me
not because of what it says about my looks, but rather it creates the impression that i’ve worked with unprofessional people who probably didn’t help me advance in the profession.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
she did get the job
But then she decided she hated academia and was going to go postal if she had to put up with idiotic freshmen for the rest of her life. She went back to school and got another advanced degree.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 17, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
sounds like my roommates
i hear them screaming when the grade. They read things like how Mexico changed from 1911-1877. Or read 19th century history assingments about the cold war.
Seeing that I’m most interested in teaching, I’m not sure if a Ph.D is for me, especially if i get burned out on teaching as fast as lot the Ph.D student at my university seem to be burned out.
Being a flight instructor would be a fun and exciting career. Then somebody would pay me for my services.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
word of advice
i stopped after my MA because the thought of hanging around with those a-holes for another 3-5 years was too much to bear. so now im teaching adjunct as a part-time gig.
it’s actually really great. the plan is to get a few years under my belt and then hopefully get a full-time position at a CC or something like that. i didnt get burned out in grad school spending years on some esoteric topic i only kinda liked in the first place and teaching lower-level classes affords me the confidence of knowing im unquestionably the smartest person in the room. also, being in a lower-level class lets me focus only on the subjects i think are most important/interesting. there’s a million things to cover in an intro ethics class, so i only do the 10 or so topics i like.
i know it may not the best set-up for everyone, but it really works for me. just figured it would be good for you to see another alternative.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 17, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm thinking about it
I’m thinking about after I get my MA getting my teaching certificate, than I can adjunt, teach community college, and high school.
Plus I do worry I’ll burn out on a Ph.D, or the fact that any research paper over 15 pages requires me to pull an allnighter (do to procrastination and just never been able to do work when the sun is up) that my work ethic might not hold up for a dissertation.
Now that I have tasted the skies I am seriously considering getting a pilots liscense, and if that goes well perhaps a flight instructors liscense.
I really wouldn’t mind going between adjunting and community college and flight school.
As the flight instructor who took me up Friday said the expensive part about flying is the plane, renting or owning is expensive. She doesn’t own a plane, she gets to fly everyday and she can go home to her husband and kids everynight, which isn’t something many pilots can say.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
seriously
thanks for the advise.
Plus not all CC students are empty intellects a guy I know who is working on his Ph.D started out in CC.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
i started in CC myself. best decision i ever made.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm glad i started at ONU
but damn i took out a lot of student loans for an “experiance”…
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I apologize if this offends you,
but honestly, I just see this outlook as stemming from the privilege that comes with being a white heterosexual male in the U.S.
Clearly, it’s not a big thing – each picture that someone posts is just one tiny insignificant thing. But that’s how microinequities happen. It’s just a long, insidious path to creating an environment that proclaims “This site is for dudes!” During the WBC, I started including “objectefying” pictures of male athletes, not really because I got a kick out of it, but mostly because I wanted to ‘get revenge’. Which, I freely admit, was lame.
White men create conducive atmospheres for other white men, and when minorities and women try to confront them on it, they almost always meet this attitude – “Everything is equal. You’re overreacting. You have as much opportunity as anybody. I’ve faced discrimination as a man, too, and I’m doing just fine. You’re just complaining because you don’t have the intelligence to get ahead the way I did.”
This is a much harder concept than outright discrimination because no one is really ethically culpable here, but that doesn’t alter the overall effect, which is to make me uncomfortable with the atmosphere on the site.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So in the jeopardy tryouts
I had a perfect score on the pretest.
I had a perfect score on the test the next day.
I won my taped “pre” jeopardy match.
However, I was picked as an reserve/alternate for the season because I wasn’t “different” enough on the screen test.
by 'tHan on Jan 17, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this thread is ruined
and the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent bullshit.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 17, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I really respect what you said
but you have a different way of saying things. You are not particuarly preachy. I guess I don’t like to be beat over the head with why it is wrong to be a white male. But you don’t really do that.
So I am with you, it should be cut down.
Can I still say something sexist from time to time like women can’t do science, or women can’t do math, or women can’t fly a plane?
I mean they are all rediculous things for me to say since I used to seriuosly date a pharmacy major who knew way more about medicine and anataomy then i could ever hope to know.
Now I am engaged to a future actuarray who is really good at math, and I took flying lessons from a female pilot who I had nothing be respect for.
Also on my own vilition I picked out a female doctor, mostly because every male doctor i’ve ever had never really listens to me, but female doctors do.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i, too, hate white men
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 17, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mm, my problem with your "women can't do science" jokes
isn’t that they reflect a general sentiment of misogyny, but just that I don’t think they’re that funny.
But hey, that really could just be because I’m a craaaaazy feminist.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i don't actually believe it though
i can’t fuckin do science. Going to Cuba helped my graduate without a D on my transcript because I got my biology credit at the University of Havana. We snorkled, drew pictures of harbors, watched a spanish cartoon about a scubadiving cow, and looked at picuture books of fish. Also my home university’s professor gave away an expensive text book to a really hot dutch girl on the beach while we were scuba diving.
But I won’t do it anymore if it hits to close to home for personal injustices you have faced in your life.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, seriously, on a personal level, it doesn't bother me.
But as a joke, it’s got to be on its third swing from cliche back into irony at this point. Not offensive – just trite.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
oh yeah it is terribly lame
but i enjoy trait lame jokes. Like I mean what would nukkah, ’than, and OBC be otherwise?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i have no beef with this comment
perfectly spelled and grammatically correct. me likey!
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 17, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well
no capitalization and no punctuation. so, yeah.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
offending everyone equally
doesn’t make sexism go away.
by Daedalus on Jan 17, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
justin making sexist jokes
doesn’t reflect positively on sexism either.
Red Reporter or follow on Twitter: @redreporter
by Slyde on Jan 17, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, justin, you give sexism a bad name.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and.....
if you define me you negate me.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 17, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If only that worked in math.
If x = x, then x = -x. That is some seriously deep shit, right there.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Looks to me
like you just called obc a zero
by 'tHan on Jan 17, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I mean, I've casually brought up
Yu Darvish in conversations, which I wouldn’t have done otherwise. So your cheesecake wasn’t a total looss
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 17, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
just to clarify
I’ve faced discrimination as a man, too, and I’m doing just fine
i dont think anyone is saying this. it is true that white heterosexual males face certain discriminations in this country, though obviously not as crippling as every other group. the argument isnt “i face discrimination too and i overcome it, so why dont you?” the argument is more something like “im a mature and empathetic human being who, though i havent face the directness and severity of the discrimination you face, can still understand what it must be like.” im a little hurt when people say i cant even imagine how they feel. im a human being too.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 17, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
People have definitely said that.
Mostly internet trolls, to be fair, but it’s still disheartening.
And I’m sure what you’re saying is true on an individual level in many cases. In my experience, though, a lot of people fail to really grasp the effect that all these tiny actions have on a daily basis throughout someone’s life. I’m not saying that they lack the capability to empathize – mostly that, for whatever reason, they usually don’t.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 17, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Grady Sizemore'd
Slim 15, you will be missed. RIP Chris Henry
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Jan 17, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it is just i'm confused on the issue
i have no problems with the pictures we post here because most the people are either celebrities, athletes, or models.
But if i’m out with friends and they point out an “attractive pear of breasts” that are walking by I feel really uncomfortalbe. I also feel uncomfortable if my male collegues discuss my female colleagues as far as their physical traits.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you don't like pear-shaped breasts?
That’s the natural shape, y’know. Those round apple ones are either silicon or underwire.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
with guilt (Justin'd)
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I like all breasts...although I don't much care for the really big fake ones.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 15, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
maybe not in your world
… but the reality is, sometimes
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have no idea
why my reply to this ended up about 12 posts down. I think computers were designed by men.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
To answer your question: I didn't agree to anything.
Also, yes, I posted that photo on Ash’s Facebook wall. Why? Because it’s goddamn funny that’s why.
The woman has sparklers shooting out of her chest for crap’s sake — it was meant to be a celebration of johnu1’s comment. A joke. Nothing more and nothing less.
Take the PC-blinders off and learn to laugh at ridiculous shit. Also, no one forced Lady Gaga to dress in such a way — it’s a part of her act. Was Madonna feeding female objectification? Many feminists would argue ‘no.’
It’s an over-the-top and ludicrous photo.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
PC?
PC? Really? PC? Sexism is real. I’m sorry that you don’t understand or don’t care or laugh at the fact that you will make 25% more than I do in your lifetime because you have a penis. And you never have to be very happy that you finally got a deal in place, only to find out it is conditional for physical reasons. No, I’m not sorry. I’m pissed.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If it makes you feel better
I’m doing my best to depress the average income a male makes. Bringing the phallacracy down from the inside!
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this is funny
(i still have my eye out for you. do you like really, really old stuff? like phoenician stuff?)
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's not really a strong suit of mine
Although I enjoyed the ancient Phoenician wine presented to me by my friend, Bob Ballard, until it turned out to be toxic.
Why do you ask?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well, i should email you about it
it involves some travel to the land of phoenicians – do you have an up to date passport?
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yup
I had to check. It’s good for three more years.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i'll email you an idea we have
beirut needs some museum help. not promising anything, but i tell you, it is one hell of a city.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i'm not familiar with that game
i like the band though
by Daedalus on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and a great baseball player
just ask Jesse Jackson…
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Jan 16, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
30 rock joke
good choice because I think 30 Rock is the only show D watches
by 'tHan on Jan 16, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nope. I have jouralism and film degrees -- everyone makes more than me.
And yes, you’re right sexism does exist. But that doesn’t mean everything is sexist. Some shit is just stupid an humorous — by claiming ‘every’ photo of girl on here is sexist. That’s just tired PC crap.
This might be a shocker but — not every dude looks at Lady Gaga’s chest sparklers and thinks of her sexually. Many, like myself, think — holy shit, that’s fucking stupid.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It makes me want to listen to Bad Romance again
That song is like an earwig! It just burrows in, takes root in your brain, and never lets go.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
we discussed earwigs
on the other thread.
Amazing how these creatures inspire so much conversation.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what we get when we have Crolfer around.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The Eric Cartman version of Poker Face is awesome.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As is...
Christopher Walken’sversion.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
... with a space.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
thanks for that
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 16, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I prefer all 3
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Which type though?
I mean, you’ve got a whole order of them to choose from. 25-30 species in the US and Canada alone.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not gonna lie.
Her stuff is catchy.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
see below
i just didn’t “get it” at the time. for that i apologize.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No prob. I too send my apologies, if I offended.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
no, i should pay more attention to detail
i should have waited to rant until the next real degrading photo. haha
by Daedalus on Jan 16, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hard to miss a flamethrowing bra
Just sayin’.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 16, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, i don't know what happened
i guess my eyes went to that patch considered clothing – i wondered how it covered everything.
why are there sparks going out of there, anyway?
by Daedalus on Jan 16, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gimme just a minute, I have to remember the password I put on the folder when the Peach moved up
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 16, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
try
pussywhipped
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 17, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't you have an omelette you should be eating?
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 18, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that's a long password
that’s probably very, very secure.
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Jan 18, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Except that he just posted it on a website.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Jan 18, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and there is this...
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Life is good.
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 18, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
facebook'd
you should really make some money and trademark that bad boy
by 'tHan on Jan 18, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But you still suck.
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 18, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
but me likey you
enough even to post this
"Life is good....life is good...life is good..life is good" jch
by obc2 on Jan 18, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it makes me think
ow! that could burn!
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Jan 16, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree Daedalus
but I also think that in the spirit of this board, we can afford to shove the envelope just a tad so long as we keep ourselves free of personal insults.
A few of the pictures that are posted here would probably bother me under different circumstances but I have decided to take off the sensitivity pads a little for RR, which I find to be amusing, entertaining, enlightening and, above all for somebody like me at my age, a place to escape the fear of growing old.
I try to be sensible and most of us probably are, but we let it wander over the line off and on. I am sure that apologies would be profuse if necessary. I can say that my observations are that your insights and opinions are highly respected.
I know it’s not my place to install the peace on this.
But I am also not the dumbest rock on the lot.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well, i admit that i didn't see the sparks and all that when i first saw it
and it is funny, and i don’t really know who lady gaga is despite hearing the name all the time, but my reaction stems from the fact that it is always happening. you wouldn’t post someone in blackface here, would you? then don’t post something just because a person has breasts.
I’m not a hardcore feminist by any means (in the vein of irrationality that justin described). but i’ve finally gotten to that point in my life where gender is starting to matter.
by Daedalus on Jan 15, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, I wouldn't post someone in black face.
But I wasn’t posting a photo of Lady Gaga because she had breasts. I posted the photo because it is damn funny.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You asked for it

" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 16, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
is that Ted Danson?
holy SCHA-moley!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep, not his finest hour
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I will say this, as a mod
There’s been a general consensus that the cheesecake photos don’t add much and are downright offensive to some. We preach respect around here, and I’ve tried to scale back the amount that I post such pictures. I don’t feel the need to outright ban them, especially because I think such decrees make the site a less fun place to be (a la Brew Crew Ball last season). Just police yourselves, and think twice before posting cheesecake.
Thanks everyone.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Will, do. Wasn't meant as cheesecake though.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I know
I didn’t take it as cheesecake, personally. And my comment was meant generally, and not to single you out.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Alright, for future reference everyone:
Sparkler bras are like face tattoos.
Hysterical!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and inspirational!

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
by bbjones on Jan 16, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow. Just Wow.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
dang
I am going now out for an entire coconut cream pie.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
and a strawberry pie
and a pepperoni pizza.
just to keep myself covered.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Damn, I'm eating with you man.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hey, thanks
That reminds me, there’s a piece of strawberry cheesecake in the fridge that someone should eat before it goes bad. I’d completely forgot about it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 16, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I just had a shake...
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have a penis and I don't make one cent more than any of my penis-less colleagues.
perhaps I need a new (or better) penis…
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Jan 16, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think they'd realize that
just from his first name. “Darnell” is not a white name.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And Khalil is?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Of Jevan, for that matter?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought Jevan was a place on earth
…baby.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Boom! Pregnant.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
one of those fake-out names
Like Scott Fujita.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So, are we worried
that Boston will send the guy back once they find out he isn’t who they thought he was? If its name is Corey and it is ticking, alert me. Otherwise, it’s just a sandwich.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
by johnu1 on Jan 15, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he'll probably spend the season in scenic Pawtucket
Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Reggie Cleveland
Before the curse of stastics fell upon mankind we lived a happy, innocent life, full of merriment and go and informed by fairly good judgement.
-Hilaire Belloc
by poojols on Jan 16, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bahaii'd
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 16, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that's the worst bet i ever won
such a disappointment
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
don't tempt fate
They could trade him back to us.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 15, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree'd with D, not funny
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 16, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I'm up over 1500 recs now
Pretty sure everyone else is too.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 18, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
This is the greenest page I've ever seen.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 18, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 18, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions
I hereby decree this the Gaga Thread
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 18, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
how did this happen?
was there a point?
soylent green?
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
who the heck made the whole thread green?
i lol’d, but it was probably one person who did it with multiple id’s. amirite?
of dunces?
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
you guys are going to be in so much trouble when Slyde gets home
he’s gonna be soooooo angry when he sees what you did.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 19, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions

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