RR Community Prospect Rankings: Hey, hey, hey! The Coz is your #9 prospect!
by BK on Jan 15, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Zack Cozart is your RR #9 prospect. Great defense has value, and if he can get something going with the bat, he could be the best option in this city before long. Most of the blue-chippers are off the board by now, but there are still lots of intriguing names on the list. I think there's something for everybody here, so let's leave it the same as yesterday minus one.
We round out the Top 10 today, so vote. I don't know about you, but the answer to this one for me may not be as obvious as polls past.
Another thing: John Sickels' list of the Top 20 Reds prospects came out on Minor League Ball last night, so have a look at that. His rankings are included in the listings now.
Enerio Del Rosario, RHRP:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 20
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed in 2007 out of the Dominican Republic
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 31 G, 2-1, 1.98 ERA, 50 IP, 33 K, 6 BB, .92 WHIP Carolina (AA) : 4 G, 0-0, 1.59 ERA, 5.2 IP, 9 K, 0 BB, .35 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 15 G, 1-0, 1.09, 24.2 IP, 12 K, 6 BB, 1.22 WHIP
Brad Boxberger, RHSP:
Baseball America rank: 9
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 7
Age: 21
Draft/Acquisition Details: 1st round (pick 43), Reds, 2009
Highest Level Played: NCAA (USC)
2009 Statistics:
USC (NCAA): 14 GS, 6-3, 3.16 ERA, 94 IP, 99 K, 50 BB, 1.27 WHIP
Chris Valaika, 2B/SS:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 5
2010 John Sickels Rank: 14
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round, (84th pick), Reds, 2006
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Louisville (AAA): 95 G, 366 AB, 6 HR, 36 RBI, 1 SB, .235/.271/.344/.615
Matt Maloney, LHSP:
Baseball America rank: 8
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank:
Age: 26 (on January 16)
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (97th pick), Phillies, 2005
Highest Level Played: MLB (Reds)
2009 Statistics:
Carolina (AA): 1 GS, 0-0, 1.29 ERA, 7 IP, 5 K, 2 BB, .71 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 22 GS, 9-9, 3.08 ERA, 143 IP, 105 K, 24 BB, 1.17 WHIP
Cincinnati (MLB): 7 GS, 2-4, 4.87 ERA, 40.2 IP, 28 K, 8 BB, 1.25 WHIP
Devin Mesoraco, C:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 11
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 1st round (15th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 92 G, 312 AB, 8 HR, 37 RBI, 0 SB, .228/.311/.381/.692
Neftali Soto, 3B:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: 2
2010 John Sickels Rank: 15
Age: 21
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (109th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 131 G, 505 AB, 11 HR, 57 RBI, 1 SB, .248/.282/.362/.644
Caguas (PR): 1 G, 3 AB, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0 SB, .667/.667/1.333/2.000
Matt Klinker, RHSP:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 25
Draft/Acquisition Details: 15th round (469th pick), Reds, 2007
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 9 GS, 2-2, 4.89 ERA, 42.1 IP, 42 K, 8 BB, 1.44 WHIP
Carolina (AA): 6 GS, 3-2, 2.95 ERA, 36.2 IP, 40 K, 13 BB, 1.09 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 5 GS, 2-2, 2.48 ERA, 29 IP, 30 K, 13 BB, 1.21 WHIP
Logan Ondrusek, RHRP:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: NR
Age: 25 (on February 13)
Draft/Acquisition Details: 13rd round (392nd pick), Reds, 2005
Highest Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2009 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 13 G, 2-0, 0.96 ERA, 18.2 IP, 12 K, 7 BB, .75 WHIP
Carolina (AA): 24 G, 2-1, 1.65 ERA, 32.2 IP, 24 K, 12 BB, 1.01 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 19 G, 0-0, 1.74 ERA, 20.2 IP, 11 K, 2 BB, .87 WHIP
Donnie Joseph, RHRP:
Baseball America rank: NR
2009 RR CPR rank: NR
2010 John Sickels Rank: 11
Age: 22 Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (88th pick), Reds, 2009
Highest Level Played: A (Dayton)
2009 Statistics:
Houston (NCAA): 31 G, 3-1, 2.16 ERA, 50 IP, 75 K, 22 BB, 1.10 WHIP
Billings (Rookie): 8 G, 2-0, 0.77 ERA, 11.2 IP, 11 K, 4 BB, .86 WHIP
Dayton (A): 16 G, 2-2, 4.35 ERA, 20.2 IP, 31 K, 10 BB, 1.11 WHIP
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Boxberger
for me, it all comes down to whether he’s a starter or reliever.
He’s got great stuff, and if he can get his control better and be a starter, he’s a good prospect. Otherwise, I don’t think he’s in the top 10. Still, I think he’s the best option here.
Holy shit, people keep stealing my shit.
right now if i made a trade to the reds for a PTBNL and my choice was Maloney and Boxberger
i’d go Maloney, mostly because you have a better idea about what he will turn out to be.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on what you'd need.
If you desperately needed a 5th starter for this season, then yes. If the rotation was set for this year, I’d take Boxy, precisely because we have a pretty good idea as to what Maloney will be.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
a guy who can strike out a lot of hitters and avoids walks and homeruns?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
small sample size
what is interesting is I looked at his game log. In his first three starts he was striking hitters out at a nice clipp, he struck out 14 batters in 17.2 innings, but he walked 5 and gave up 6 homeruns. He was sent down to AAA after that.
He was called up in 29 August and spent the final month in Cincinnati. He didn’t stick in the rotation due to a blister issue. His control was better, in 23 innings he only walked 3 hitters, he only gave up 1 homerun, yet he only struck out 14 batters.
But both of those are small samples sizes, I still am looking fowrad to see what he can do if he gets to take a regular turn in the rotation.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I went Soto
Mostly based on upside. I was close on Klinker, Maloney, and Boxberger, but all are pitchers and when in doubt I prefer position players. Ultimately, it came down to who I would trade for. Despite the bad year, I probably wouldn’t trade Soto for any of the others…unless I really, really needed Maloney for a #5 starter.
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same here
i was a big believer in Soto last offseason, and i’ll admit his star dimmed after this season in Sarasota. but im pinning my hope on the fact that the FSL is brutal on power hitters like him. i bet we see him come back in a big way this season, whether he’s in Lynchburg or Zebulon.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I definitely agree Soto has the highest upside of anyone on this list (although Boxberger isn't far off)
And it’s not the down year last year that has me worried about Soto. I’ll give anyone a pass on their first year in Sarasota, especially a 20 year old.
To me, he’s kind of an E.N.D. light—good power, doesn’t like to walk, question where he can stick defensively. The only thing Soto has on him is he doesn’t K as much, but I really want to see him find his spot defensively and raise that BB rate a bit. If he does, he’s a top 5 guy for me.
Holy shit, people keep stealing my shit.
Agreed on Soto
He has generally been one of the best players at his age for most of his life so I think he will make us forget his 2009. He’ll never be a plate discipline guy but I think he’ll hit for average all the way up, perhaps a bit like BP at the plate. Age is on his side. I think there will be some climbers on this list after this year, or else some will have slotted into the bullpen. But Soto’s ceiling and age puts him at my top.
Sickels' list
I respect his judgement quite a bit, but I think he got lazy on his Reds rankings a bit.
He rates Hamilton 4 spots ahead of Yorman, and basically says the same thing about them: great tools, no results yet. Except Yorman performed way better than Hamilton in the same league while being 2 years younger.
Also leaves Klinker off his list despite good stuff and a great season, but includes a guy like Sulbaran who was really inconsistent and could easily be a flop. Just seems a bit inconsistent in his methodology.
Holy shit, people keep stealing my shit.
Klinker/Sulbaran
To note, John says that Sulbaran has very good stuff but inconsistent…. I don’t think Sulbaran hit 92 MPH this year in Dayton. Most games he worked 86-90. He has been better than that in the past, but that is where he was this season. Klinker on the other hand worked 90-92 and was hitting 93-94 every game. I am with you, just don’t get it.
Thought these guys were a grade too low: Cozart, Wood, Yorman Rodriguez and Klinker.
what's the deal with Lotzkar?
is he to be forgotten?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Until he throws another professional pitch, yes
He could stll be something, but that’s an awfully long injury history for such a young kid.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
agreed
I worry that he is slipping into Ty Howington territory.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't really get his post about the latin guys with no strikezone recognition
He lumped Yorman, Soto, Duran, and Francisco in that group together. To me, it’s way too early to say a 16 year old who put up a 6.5% BB rate has no plate discipline.
I kind of feel like he just looked at Yorman’s slash line and assumed he sucked, without looking at peripherals or age considerations.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
we got a nice 4-way race going today
im kind of excited to see how things shake out over the next 5 or so spots. the depth in this system is really impressive.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions
About time we had a good poll
They’ve been landslides since the first one.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
Looks to me
… like a mandate for All of the Above.
It’s time for me to suggest we consider just which one of these guys (or more) we consider “top level prospects” who we might try to trade in our efforts to find a useful shortstop.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
i think you'll see the Reds trade some of our top 5 guys
for a catcher or a SS. notice that Francisco, Heisey, Frazier, and Alonso are all basically playing for that one LF position. you have my Personal Ironclad Scrabbles Guarantee™ that at least one of these guys is traded in the next year. the guys we are looking at now are fine prospects, but they arent the kind of prospects other teams seek out in return for major league talent. they just dont have the upside that our top 5 guys have.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like a safe bet
I just hope they give it a whole year to evaluate those guys. Ideally, you’d end up with at least one guy who should clearly stick around in ’11 to help the team make the playoffs and at least one guy who plays well but might be at his peak in terms of trade value.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jan 15, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
AFL pic
guys in that league wear their MLB club’s unis and their AFL club’s helmets
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
ah, didn't know that
cool. i thought maybe i had forgotten he was called up and asked myself why the reds would have done so, him being not ready, and all. and the black helmet was confusing.
something against black helmets?
Would you rather he wear a white helmet?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Whattayousayin'?!?
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 15, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
LUDICROUS SPEED!!!
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
What's the matter, Colonel Sandurz?
CHICKEN???
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
Willy Taveras had ludicrous speed
and was as effective as lord helmet. Can we call Taveras “Lord Helmet”?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we don't have to nickname him at all...
/DFA’ed
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 15, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
D-Backs cut Byrnes at 11MM.
DFAing Taveras would be a considerably smaller financial hit.
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Wow this clown has no arms!
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
speaking of helmets
don’t they have helmets that fit players in the AFL? or does wolfgang have a really small head?
he's wearing those weird helmets they came out with late last year
that were supposed to be able to absorb a 100mph FB. I guess they are a requirement for the minors next year, so the AFL was using them.
I think they look funny:
why do minor league helmets need to be safer than MLB helmets
with a few exceptions these guys aren’t making millions each year.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think
the minor leaguers have less leverage. Players generally resist anything new. It’s easier to start with the young ’uns.
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if i'm paying a guy 20M a year
he is wearing whatever I tell him to wear. If I want to do a cup check everyday, will pull down your pants.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a hooker
if i’m paying a guy 20M a year he is wearing whatever I tell him to wear. If I want to do a cup check everyday, will pull down your pants.
I believe you just described a hooker.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
wow, that's horrible!
and you know that will be in the majors soon. ugh. someday soon they’ll have full facemasks included.
"100mph? Pfffttt. That ain't shit. Put that thing on a watermelon. I'll show it."
-Aroldis Chapman
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 15, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Melonballer!
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
The Cornballer is better
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't that from Arrested Development?
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
As always, in perfect English
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
by BK on Jan 16, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I translated
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Damn strait.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
can't we just
abolish the 100 mph fastball?
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
maybe it was the Arizona Fall League?
did he play for the AFL?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
55-54
maloney and boxberger so far. valaika with 50…close vote. when I looked earlier boxberger was losing by six or so votes, I think he should have run away with this vote personally, especially over valaika.
I don't get the Boxberger love.
The man has control problems.
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
So?
Get him some anger management classes and he should be golden.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
by crolfer on Jan 16, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
looking at his stats
you’re right, his BB9 is kind of high, but it is possible to work on your control in the minors. Bailey had control problems but after he cleaned up his mechanics he’s been able to improve his command, though his avg BB9 rate in the minors is lower than boxberger’s college stats.
Also it is the #10 prospect, so it’s not like I am overloving him, I just like him better than anyone else on the list. I like to go for upside, and boxberger has been said to have #2 type upside for his stuff if he can show some command and maintain his velocity throughout his starts. big ifs yes, but I still like him here because he has workable stuff, a good fastball, and good strikeout numbers (9.4 K per 9 his last two years in college).
he's not Mattey Maloney
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
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