A Red Reporter Observation
As someone who has visited and read this site pretty frequently over the last two years, often as a silent observer rather than a full participant, I thought I might add some observations I have had over the last couple of days.
The signing of Aroldis Chapman came in the midst of the RR Community Prospect Rankings, and seems to have fueled discussion of the Reds future while drastically brightening the potential of that future. Signing a player like Chapman, for whom the sky is the ceiling, should warm the heart of every Reds fan. The fact that he was sought by many other teams with deeper pockets, larger media markets, and a much more recent history of winning has renewed the hopes of myself and many others here that this is a legitimate baseball franchise.
The tone of so much of the reporting and commenting on the site has been pessimistic - usually with reasonable justification. I will point to JinAz's recent excellent analysis of the 2009 Reds. We have collectively cursed crippling acquisitions, questionable trades, T-Virus, Corey Patterson, and of course Dusty Baker. Slyde may even be close to giving up hope. We have bemoaned, analyzed and quantified the failure of our beloved team. We have assigned blame. To be sure, there have been bright spots: Joey, Jay, Homer, Cueto, Volquez and a host of young studs who may raise our hopes or crush them. We have had dim hopes for success, tempered with a Gatsby like resilience that "one fine morning . . ." But something has changed in what I see since Sunday.
And that is what I wanted to point out. The threads since Sunday have been remarkable. I don't ever remember seeing so many comments go green in such a short amount of time. Everyone has truly enjoyed each others company, such as it is. The discussion has been lively, dynamic, and bubbling with child-like optimism. While Chapman could squash our expectations, our excitement is completely justified in my opinion. While we still do not have too much pitching, this young man makes our farm system shimmer. Combined with many of our other prospects, and young players just beginning to establish themselves in the Bigs, I cannot remember a time when the prospects for near-term success have seemed brighter from my perspective. We have ceased to assign blame in favor of showering Walt, Bob and company with praise - and I believe they deserve it.
Its been a thrill reveling in the Chapman signing with all of you, albeit from a distance. I'm enjoying this tide of optimism. Lets hope that the Reds give us no reason to break that tide.
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ha, before Chapman I didn't even realize you could rec a post
Well played sir, Well played.
Start SEEing motorcycles
There have been quite a few recs lately
but also quite a few wrecks.
by fourrunhomer on Jan 13, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
wow, you're right
i hadn’t thought of that. it’s amazing what this has done for us psychologically.
makes me wonder how much of some bickering that happens on this site on occasion is attributed to the reds suckitude.
For the first time in a while, we're "April optimistic" in January
It’s amazing that one big signing can spark so much interest in the team, but for a franchise like ours, this was like a shot in the arm. I don’t think I’ve ever looked forward to a spring training like I do this year, with how many players we have coming back and a chance to see Chapman perform.
It’s been awesome seeing the comment counts triple the past few days, even if it’s not all about baseball. Hopefully, these discussions will stay the way they are until spring training, and from then until our Opening Day shellacking of the Cardinals. As mods, we’ll try to keep the conversations flowing. Do whatcha do, Red Reporters, this team we’re so excited about isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
"look at me! im hablahing espanyoll!" - Charlie Scrabbles
IMO the high count comment threads are pissing me off
They take forever to load on mobile devices.
by Brian B on Jan 12, 2010 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, love to see all the energy, even if it much of it revolves around stupid college basketball
It makes me happy to check in after an hour and see 50 new comments in a thread.
Even if Chapman never pitches for the Reds I love this signing…..Keep doing your thing, Walt!
Spirited optimism... building for the future...
Reminds me of another unprecedented and unconventional arrival of a different young Chapman who sought fortune on the banks of the ol’ Ohio River.
"Let's watch this movie. We already have the underwear."
Your English is getting better, A-Chap!
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
It's interesting
We were talking about the Rolen trade (acutally, the Stewart/Roenike part of it), and I said “I think we think we have perfect knowledge of this stuff, and we rarely do.” Specifically, I was addressing what we thought the Reds knew about Stewart; however, we could have just as easily completely misunderstood something else behind that trade.
The Reds are quickly becoming a very young team – the only 30 year old regulars likely to be with the team in ‘11 are Rolen and Phillips; if Harang and/or Arroyo also are gone, those two (and Hanigan) are the only vets period. BP hasn’t proven to me by either his words or actions to be a good leader of young players, while Rolen seems to be a very good leader. Maybe that was why Jockety wanted Rolen so badly, and why he was eager to sign him to an extension that might take him past his useful playing days.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I think a lot of this optimism stems from the fact that the Reds
made a move that didn’t seem lateral or backwards. It was bold, it was daring and it was a statement. It wasn’t a 30-plus-year-old 3B or a quick-footed, no-bat CF — it was a move that, in some ways, sent a big FUCK YOU to the rest of baseball.
Mainly, it was the front office saying: “We’re not the Pirates. We can do grand things.”
That’s why, even if Chappy turns out to be a bust I’ll never hate this signing. Ever. Yes, it has made me care more (not that I didn’t care a ton all ready). My optimism has changed because I have tangible evidence that my favorite team appears to be changing.
These last few days have made me feel like a six-year-old again. For that, I’m on Cloud 9.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 12, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
What if he becomes a closer
and we paid “$30m for a closer?”
by Brian B on Jan 12, 2010 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I still ain't bitchin'.
It’s the fact that the Reds made a move and didn’t sit on their fucking hands. Yes, I know I sound dumb. I don’t care. I was tired of this franchise poo-pooing around. If it’s going to fail I’d rather it fail doing it grand style than doing it like KC or Pittsburgh. Go down trying to ramp 40 buses on a rocket car. Don’t do it by trying to jump some cats on a tricycle.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 12, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
it's different and you know it
Chapman as the potential to be worth faaaar more than the $30 mil he signed for. it was completely beyond the realm of possibility for Coco to do that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 12, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Your a moran AND YOU KNOW IT!
Yeah, I wasn’t being serious. I don’t even have a problem with how much Coco is making. I’m not letting the Reds blame the fact that they won’t add talent on the fact that their closer makes too much money. That doesn’t make sense at all; it’s just shifting the blame from the man to the man’s pocket.
*claps*
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 14, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
**stomps his feet**
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
by jch24 on Jan 14, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
'Beats head against the cement wall in the basement"
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
//autism'd
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
$4M/year for a closer who throws 102
Yes, thank you.
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 13, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
better than $10 M
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I love this comment for the following
it was a move that, in some ways, sent a big FUCK YOU to the rest of baseball.
Mainly, it was the front office saying: "We’re not the Pirates. We can do grand things."
Posnanski has this awesome post somewhere about a fear of being unprofessional. Here, the Reds are being ballsy, counter-intuitive, and pretty goddam unprofessional. They take a risk and let their chain swing while doing it. That’ll make me love a team again. I love the gutsiness of this signing.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Does anybody know anything about humidifiers?
Am I missing something?
You’ve gotta clean the ‘core’ enclosure thingy every week or so and there is no easy way to clean it because it’s like a lime scale encrusted golf ball encased in a tennis ball sized opening?
Is there some sort of magic solution I should be soaking the thing with before cleaning?
And by ‘cleaning’ I mean stabbing it with a kitchen knife until the hard-ass cruddy shit chips away.
Anyone?
I’m assuming that if had spent more than $23 on the thing I might not have these problems?
when i bought mine they told me to wipe it clean every few days.
mine was about $75 but they warned me about it too. the filterless ones are all like that.
Holy thread-jacking batman!
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Yeah, I know.
Howabout that Conan? He’s pretty pissed, eh?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I love Conan
But he was a fish out of water in the proscribed role he was given on the Tonight Show.
The Tonight Show is dead…good riddance.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
FWIW
I’ve found the damn things to be borderline disposable. We get 2-3 years out of each one. The current one is one that doesn’t have a paper filter, and it’s working fairly well. But we’re only about 6 months into it. -j
I write at:
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I think that's where I'm at.
Off to Target! G’night!
(After I think of some completely random shit to post over at your blog. ;)
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 12, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
You really know how to bring an optomistic thread right down to earth
Go to www.myhumidifierissick.com fro Christ’s sake
And now back to the shining light in the darkness: Andoidis Chapman
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
some people use vinegar
Or Efferdent. You know, those cleaning tablets for dentures.
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I'd never heard that.
I think the little gray knobby thing that gets encrudsted (like my new word?) should be able to be unscrewed, thrown away and replaced with a new one. Suggested retail price: $4.79
Anybody wanna make me a prototype and try to patent this mutha?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 13, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I had lunch with Jinaz over the holidays
and we were commenting on how it’s frustrating to see other teams make lots of moves that we consider to be intelligent, or at least consistent with a plan, while the Reds rarely seemed to do the same. We both admitted to being jealous of several other organizations because of this. We also agreed that the Scott Rolen contract was the first time the Reds seemed to do something contractually creative, and we liked it. I don’t know Justin’s take, but I’ll say that this Chapman deal feels like another use of creativity that we’re not used to seeing from the Reds. Also, Chapman, coupled with the contracts for Yorman and Juan Duran, shows a clear plan – free agent money is going to be spent on upside, not downside. Holy shit, the Reds have a plan!
The funny thing is, the Reds haven’t really done a single thing this off-season to improve their chances of succeeding in 2010, but the fact that the organization’s plan is starting to become clear, makes me feel so much more confident that the future isn’t as bleak as I was starting to think it was.
Also, I take full credit for the improved attitude around the site. Once I stopped showing up so much, people were much happier. Glad I could help!
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You don't know my take because I don't know my take
The fan in me absolutely loves this for all the reasons you and the OP noted. It might be something of an overspend, as some of the prospect valuation stuff has a typical top-10 prospect pitcher being worth only ~$15M in surplus dollars over their first six years in MLB. … I think we have to discount some of his contract because half of it pays out over 10 years time, but I’m not entirely sure how much. I’ve probably been resisting sitting down to try to figure it out, because I don’t want to feel anything but bliss about this signing! :)
-j
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Beyond the Boxscore | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
well, if we work under the assumption that the winner was going to have to overspend
at least the Reds overspent in a fashion that doesn’t kill their payroll for the next 5 years. And theoretically, they are in a position to do so since their team is fairly young and will remain relatively cheap for the next 2 or 3 years.
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agreed!
I write at:
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Bull shit Slyde
BK and Jeremy tried to take over until there were rumbling talk of a revolution to install Gray or Grey into the interim manager’s role ..thing were getting very edgy until BK and jch started sniping at each other over past burgerfest posts…well thank Gawd Andoidis was signed and the situation was diffused..but we miss you big guy…damn it get that book writ..
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
I confess
I’m not sure I like too much creativity on that front. It helps the current cash flow, kinda like those “creative” mortgages are affordable the first year or two.
I suppose they are betting that things will be better and they’ll be in a better position to pay up in the future. If that’s not true, though, it could hurt, at least if they do a lot these extended contracts.
The NFL was notorious for this kind of creative financing, and some teams did end up hurting, because so much of their money was tied up in players who were no longer playing for them.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
cincinnati only hurt
because there was no way they could have known junior would have been hurt so much. it was still the best signing the reds ever made even though we know what happened after. plz don’t take offense, but i’m not sure a non-reds fan could completely understand how significant that was for those of us who grew up dreaming junior would be on the team one day. and the way the contract was structured was the only way that could happen.
sux what happened after that. one grand disappointment i hope is not repeated. ever.
If the economy, and baseball, goes all BubbaFan-esque,
then the Reds are screwed with this contract. But then again, I’m going to have bigger fish to fry, then, so its tough to get too upset about it. I’m just happy the Reds are TRYING something different, dammit
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Even if the economy hurts for a while
The most the Reds will pay out in a single year is $6.5M (barring the arbitration situation comes to fruition). That is not the sort of money that will hamstring an organization. Yes, it will hurt if things are bad, but we’re not talking about it preventing any other moves. It’s just not a big enough dollar sum.
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by Slyde on Jan 13, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put.
Rec’d.
I think this needs to be clearly explained to most of those who are opposed to this signing.
AC might not ever be all that we want him to be but even if he’s not, this signing won’t be the disaster that Eric Milton’s was.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 13, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, absolutely
I meant this in a “unless a horrific downturn forces us all to live in a shantytown crushing rocks for a living, this contact would be fine.” So as long as the Reds don’t leave Cincinnati for Bartertown, its fine. That’s what I meant.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Jan 13, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
My concern is that they’d do this with other players as well, and end up paying a lot of players who were no longer with the team.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That was a decade ago
It was a different era. We’ve had 4 different GMs, 6 different managers, and 9 losing seasons since then. I’m talking about recent Reds history when then became a laughing stock to other teams’ fans.
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4 different GMs, 6 different managers
but losing was a constant.
Kinda like liquor and a step father.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I bet Jinaz was a gentleman.
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I totally picked one up at Steak N Shake today!
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
Both?

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 14, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
FVI brings it strong yet again
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 14, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Would that make Slyde the lady?
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
I'm not sure

Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Name dropper...
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
enthusiasm also pays at the gate
This could very soon impact ticket sales and that will make for a better organization positioned to contend. Reds attendance has been pathetic and wasn’t looking good at all. Maybe this deal will pay off.
I would think that the fans will clearly react in a positive way when the notion is that the club is taking a step forward. The grumbling over the winter was they were basically being skinflints. This shows they are anything but that and, better still, inclined so show some onions.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
good observation
over at AthleticsNation, where they came in 2nd in the bidding, they are doing the following:
- blowing it off, saying he only has 1 pitch and isn’t that good
- bemoaning the fact that another team is smarter than ours
- asking why free agents always sign elsewhere
- saying, we’re not going to be that good in 2010 anyway, but we have a bright future!
sound familiar? I’m glad that tune has changed here!
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
they also said that they are glad to have Americans on there team
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
they also said that they are glad to have Americans on (thatt) there team
/fix’d
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
i agree
ive been thinking this same thing the past coupla days. ever since the religion thread a week or two back, this place has been far more hospitable than ever before, and the chapman deal spawned the biggest postseason threads ever and some of the biggest threads in the history of the site. With a community a fraction of the size, we’ve competed with venerable vets like athletics nation and the daily kos. if this enthusiasm keeps up, slyde will be rich and we can point to this signing as the moment our little community grew up.
nice job, gang. that goes out to everyone.
and if you don’t agree, you’re a flaming cuaffle.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
I love you man
And this time I really mean it…Thanks Androidis…
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
that's beautiful
and also my new sig
I love you man, and this time I really mean it...thanks Androidis--Madville
I am also touched by that and intend to make it my very own sig.
I love you man, and this time I really mean it…thanks Androidis—Madville
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
It's best if you try not to let Mads touch you too much
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
He does tend to get handsy.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
ewwwww ....
cootie warning! cootie warning!
I love you man, and this time I really mean it...thanks Androidis--Madville
Nah man no cooties...but you might end up spiritually enlightened Sri johnu1
on the other ‘hand’ if jch lays hands on you you’ll most likely end of pregnant.
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
another pregnant joke?
//slyde’d
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 13, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
wow, the hands on healing
I just thought that if you took steroids, you’d be all set.
Not sure about the baby, though. My doc advises me against that.
I love you man, and this time I really mean it...thanks Androidis--Madville
No kidding, my crops SUCKED this year
" 'than's pussy looks better than your cock." -- BubbaFan to ZJiff30
I quit that game. Fishville is where it's at.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
no bugville?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
don't you go to class to learn about bugs?
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
You kids and your vidja games...
Why don’t you hang up your smartphones and LEARN something!
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"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 14, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

"Let's get this movie. We already have the underwear."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jan 16, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He looks more like 20 lbs.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 16, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
nice
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 20, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
i'll never understand sabremetrics
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
nor the reply button
I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 14, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I push that button and I wait and wait and wait and i never get a reply
Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
by Madville on Jan 14, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
mads,
we all feel that way
-j
Bailey, Chapman, Cueto, Leake, and Volquez; the future is so bright I have to wear sunglasses.
by justin007000 on Jan 14, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
honored to send this one green.
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat. - btcoop71
rec'd
See what I did there?

I now know where Andorra is.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 14, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
WAAAAAAAA
I WANT US TO HAVE A BIG GROUP HUG.
I love you man, and this time I really mean it...thanks Androidis--Madville
Group hugs are good and all
but there’s always that one person who always rubs up against everybody just a little too much.
by fourrunhomer on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I just want to stand
up next to the girls. As a unit, we remain …
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
I somehow managed to get a girlfriend now... and she doesn't even think the bug thing is weird.
So, you can have my spot next to them.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
well, that is the thing with women
A lot of them aren’t willing to share all their deep dark secrets right away. They prefer to be a little more sensible about that sort of thing than men are.
Thankfully, for idiots like you, our forefathers gave us the second commandment – the right say whatever you want no matter if you’re wrong. — Unknown, for the most part
Crolfs isn't kidding...she's waaaaay too hot for him but, Kudos for fooling her this long Andrew!
You know what they say:
1st come love
then comes marriage
then come drolfer with a microscope and a bugacological speciman

Incompetents invariably make trouble for people other than themselves.
Larry Mcmurtry
Haha, I recognize that picture!
Totally took that katydid in my yard.
"People don't kill people. Burning oreo packages kill people."
You took that katydid from behind?
"Just seeing him in uniform makes me throw up." Jack Clark on Mark McGwire's new coaching job
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 20, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

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