The Reds Have Signed Aroldis Chapman to a 5yr/$30 million deal
by Slyde on Jan 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST
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Jeff Passan at Yahoo is confirming that the Reds have signed Cuban phenom Aroldis Chapman to a deal that is reportedly worth $30 million over 5 years. No word yet as to the breakout of the money, but I would venture to guess that it will be back-loaded, especially with both Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo's money possibly coming off of the books after this season and Francisco Cordero's contract being done after 2012.
Chapman is a 22-year old left-handed flame thrower who burst onto the international scene in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. When he defected to the U.S. this past year, he quickly became one of the most sought after pitching prospects this side of Stephen Strasburg. Chapman's fastball sits in the mid-90s and has been known to touch 100 MPH on occasion. He's got a decent slider, but he doesn't have enough control over any of his pitches right now to expect that he'll be a factor with the big league squad in 2010. This is definitely a long term deal from the Reds perspective.
Now as Reds fans, I think we have a natural inclination to think what is wrong about this deal. Yes, $30 million is a lot of money, but spent over 5 years, this deal shouldn't complete debilitate the budget. In fact, I would guess that if either Harang or Arroyo gives the Reds reason to be held on to for 2011, they should still have room in their budget to keep one of those guys depending on how Chapman's contract is structured. Yes, there are no guarantees with pitching prospects, but Chapman might be the best pitching prospect the Reds have signed in, well, ever. That doesn't mean that he'll turn into an ace, but at least they are spending on upside for once. This is a far cry from giving a large chunk of money to a player who never had the potential to be worth that money in the first place.
So, today, enjoy it. The Reds - your Cincinnati Reds - have actually signed a highly desirable player. These kinds of days don't happen a lot in Cincinnati.
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Welcome to the New Reds
run by those guys we were pissed at 2 days ago.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
Well hey!
Look at the Reds! So much for my lazy Sunday.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 10, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions
According to John Fay
#Reds talking to Cuban left-hander Aroldis Chapman. Deal not signed. Could be for as long as 10 years.
http://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/7603126765
no offense to Fay
but I’ll stick with Jeff Passan. He’s been following the story all morning. Fay is getting dragged off of furlough to cover it.
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doesnt he have connections in the front office?
no Reds brass wants to throw the beat writers a bone on this one?
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
his furlough must have been over today
No way would they drag him off furlough, no matter what. They aren’t even allowed to make phone calls or answer e-mails when on furlough.
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I was being dramatic
of course they wouldn’t have stopped the furlough.
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nope
boobs can probably clarify the rules of furlough, but as I understand it, they can’t do anything regarding their job.
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yup
They would get someone else to do it.
The rules are very strict. He laid them out in one of his blog posts. No work means no work.
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I sure did shit! Adroolis Chapman!
Shomer shabbos!
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
if he's an exempt employee and his furlough was one day from being over and they called him to cover this,
then theyd have to pay him for this week and give him another furlough week. i doubt that happened though. they probably just figured out a way to end it today. (C-J furloughs are monday through sunday, but even if the enquirer is the same, they could probably call it sunday to saturday if he didnt work last sunday.)
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
thats not entirely true
for nonexempt employees (or salaried), furloughs are on a day-by-day basis, so each day taken off furlough just has to be replaced by one furlough day later. exempt employees, however, must stay on furlough an entire week. some writers are exempt, some are not, so it just depends on the fay’s job status. if the enquirer is like the courier, though, furlough weeks run monday through sunday.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
well, it saves the company from being sued for forcing an employee to work without pay
but yeah
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
that's what I thought
he just probably had to get manager approval, because there is no way he’s no-exempt
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
he could be
some of our writers are. i am. there doesnt seem to be a clear reason for why one writer is and another isnt
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
furloughs
I spent part of the last summer doing the furlough gig at my newspaper. We weren’t even allowed to check our emails on a furlough day/week. I am a Guild employee and even mgt. staff followed the same structure.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
im not allowed to do that during my furlough either
im just saying, for nonexempt employees, its on a day-by-day basis. some employees take furloughs spread out one day a week over five weeks. if you DO check email or go into the office or whatever, it busts your furlough period. if youre nonexempt, that’s one day. if youre exempt, it’s a whole week
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Reds info will come through Fay, Passan sounds like his source is through Hendricks Inc
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was bummed after the Bengals loss yesterday
but I’m really happy now.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
You meant the 2009 World Baseball Classic, right?
On one hand, it’s great seeing our Redlegs actually making a big signing like this. On the other hand, I always get nervous when our Reglegs make a big signing like this. It makes me wonder why a team with bigger pockets didn’t snatch him up.
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
Thanks, still trying to remember the right years
I hate January
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Agreed, except the teams with bigger pockets can afford to wait on the proven players and throw lots of money at them
they don’t need to take these risks, even though they can afford to.
it's weird isn't.
I detest that I, too, think that way.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My answer:
They can pay him stupid money when he’s proven. It’s always about ‘Win now’ in NY, Boston, Philly and Chicago.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah the Cubs are going places!!!
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
No, they're not but they did sign Soriano and others.
Also, the White Sox have actually made some good later-in-their career moves. Thome for example.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
this is encouraging, and perhaps a reason not to worry so much about his WBC stats
“He’s the real deal,‘’ one scout told ESPNBoston.com on Thursday. "He’s a real good athlete. When he was pitching for Cuba, it was almost like he was a reliever when he was starting, told to throw as hard as he could for as long as he could.
“He’s not ready for the big leagues yet, but he has a fabulous arm. His slider is going to be a plus pitch, and though he has no feel yet for the changeup, his arm action is good and that could come with time.’’
I have a STRONG feeling Mario Soto came into play on this
If he can teach him the changeup, look out!
Gawd, I hopies.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
"Neeener neener neener" one Reds employee told ESPNBoston.com
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
So...How much did Jose Rijo make off of this signing?
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jan 10, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Baltimore got the first down
but they got absolutely screwed on the spot
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
I really like the move
Chapman was clearly raw when I watched him during the WBC, but clearly talented and athletic, too. If the Reds’ scouts feel that the player development guys can coach him up with regard to his command of the secondary stuff, everything else is there.
As I said on the other thread, this points to the Reds’ FO viewing 2010 as a consolidation year to evaluate guys like Bruce, Bailey, Cueto and Chapman. Then, 2011 is “The Year,” adding Volquez and Chapman to the rotation, and having the Harang/Arroyo money to supplement Votto/Bruce/Rolen/Phillips on offense. It’s a better plan than this organization has had in at least a decade, and i’m much less depressed about the Reds’ organizational philosophy than I was 24 hours ago.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
exactly
it feels good that it is actually plausible that they have a real plan.
Better than the Ghostbusters plan. “Get ‘em? That’s your plan, Ray? Get ’em?”
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by bbjones on Jan 10, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
John Heyman is passive-aggressively knocking the deal
constantly repeating that $30 million is a lot of money. Still yet to acknowledge that it’s over 5 years.
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So what's the deal with Jay Leno and Conan?
i don’t understand how they co-exist in late night. Anyone have a good prediction?
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
the rumor is jay goes back to tonight show at 11
conan goes back to late night at 12. and fallon is pushed into a new show at 1
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
with which intern?
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whichever one he has cornered.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
leno is going to 11:30
affiliates have to have the news at 11:00
they are the driving force behind leno going back to the tonight shot time slot
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Actually, he has tons of leverage.
Conan can opt out of his contract entirely, as I understand it, making him a viable get for FOX or someone else.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
whats the alternative?
moving to a brand new program at fox thats never been attempted and might get scary bad ratings?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
or move back to a time where he has a built-in audience
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
i must admit
i havent done that kind of extensive research
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
Jay to 11:35 after the Olympics end.
For half an hour.
Reds fan for 40 years!
conan's out
leno continues to be terrible and get rewarded for it
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jan 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah well the daily show is on at 11, and colbert at 11:30
so they really aren’t necessary.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes they are
you just don’t have Comedy Central HD. The shows went HD this past week with the start of the new season.
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they are now
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
SB Nation says Reds have a weak rotation
Chapman is one of the top lefties on the market and will likely begin in the minor leagues before joining their weak rotation. The Reds already have young pitchers Edinson Volquez, Johnny Cueto, and Homer Bailey, not to mention veterans Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo in the rotation, meaning the Reds have no reason to rush him unless he pitches well and the Reds compete for the division lead, which isn’t expected for another couple of seasons.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Its Funny
How all of us nerds found out about this within an hour of it happening, or before hand even, and it’s the middle of winter. Then again, the snow is responsible for some things.
Start SEEing motorcycles
Passan has a full story up
After the workout in Houston, many were convinced. The 6-foot-4 Chapman, not throwing at maximum effort, flashed good command of his breaking pitches in two short bullpen sessions. And his fastball led one front-office man to say, very simply, "It’s awesome."
The Reds apparently agreed.
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Don't listen to Gray.
Good share. :)
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Derek Jeter's getting married
this has been one hell of a surprising news day!
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
the yankees can't give us ONE day of press to ourselves?
by Daedalus on Jan 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The biggest surprise?
He’s marrying Cynthia Rodriguez.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
edelman is having a sick game
if the pats lose, it wont be because welker’s out
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
So, where does Chapman start?
Dayton? Carolina? Chattanooga? Louisville?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
i'm pretty sure they only signed him to be part of the Hanley Ramirez trade
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You sound as sure
as Peter Gammons is about anything.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
VT
He’ll be working with Joe Oliver in Vermont.
If it's Oliver
then shouldn’t the abbreviation be VD?
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it depends on if the Reds think he's going to be ready in 2010
If they don’t, then there’s no harm in sending him to Carolina.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
even if they do, let him work on his control and his offspeed stuff against lesser competition
Once he’s gotten it figured out a bit, let him take it for a spin at AAA.
Chattanooga's not one of our teams anymore
I think he goes to Louisville.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't completely, you did get their AA team right
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'd bet because no one really likes to
think about either of the Carolinas.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda like thinking about the Olsen twins.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i like the taller one
jch, of course, goes for the one under five foot.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Speaking as someone who knows nothing
I’d expect Louisville.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'd start him out in Dayton
and if it goes well, quickly move him up. I’d much rather start him out too low rather than too high.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
actually by Dayton i meant high A
there Carolina team. It was so much simpler when their high a-ball team played in Sarasota.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina's AA
Lynchburg is the High A team.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
the high A ball is the lynchburg team
they play in the same league as the potomac cannons, so i look forward to watching them play this season!
I'd like that
I’d love to see him at 5/3 at least once.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
maybe he'll open a checking account with them
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
he starts
In short A ball maybe goes from there to Double-A. I doubt he goes to Dayton.
Don't try to win every game, just the last one.
Good to see you, Verka
Best nickname I’ve heard for him so far.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
dunno
i’d kind of like to see non-espanol nickname for a Latin player, for a change.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
by obc2 on Jan 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the matador?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
by boobs on Jan 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Empire Records references? Now I know this is the place for me!
Can we categorically say that Castellini ISN’T a bigger banana head?
by the finest muffins on Jan 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
When it comes to Castellini and bananas
Everything is on the table.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
also means
“a card in the game of ombre”
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Jan 10, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
MechaGodzilla
That way everyone’s confused.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
How about Graham?
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
by SullivanSmith on Jan 10, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Roller Girl is down for it
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Er, yeah, I just noticed that
I purposely went with the most ‘family friendly’ photo I could find of her. I failed.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take it.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's not your-oldis, he-s not my-oldis....
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
by jch24 on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I like this, actually
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
VERY well done!
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by "Red" Moskau on Jan 11, 2010 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
you mean...
You think they’ll start in him in AAA, where he’ll face the Durham Bulls?
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Leake
Chapman is a good idea to supplement the presumably can’t miss but lower-ceiling Leake.
2011 and beyond
Can anyone tell me how long we have Chapman, Bailey, Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Leake
and Maloney signed up for?
If chapman is for 5 years
then he’s through 2014, Cueto’s under control for 4 more years, Bailey for 4ish, Volquez for 3-4, Leake for 6 once he makes the MLB club, Maloney 5 more.
So, yeah, a long time
Chapman could be longer
if he spends all of 2010 in the minors, they’d have him for 6 years. And if he spends all of 2011 in the minors, it’d be 7 years. Etc…
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but he will still be under the REds control after his contract ends,
because it takes 6 years to hit arbitration, and I doubt CHapman will see much service time in 2010, so the earliest Chapman can go free agent under his own rights is 2017, assuming he is a full time big leaguer starting in 2011.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Maloney
’till, uh, well I no longer care about him.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Maloney until we trade him to the Pirates
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, they're all pre-arb guys, so they're not really "signed," but....
The guys who haven’t seen the Majors (Wood, Leake, Chapman) or have been in the Majors for less than a season (Maloney) all have to get 6 full seasons of Major League service time before they get Free Agency.
Cueto has 2 full seasons under his belt, so we get him for one more at league minimum, then 3 years at arbitration rates.
Volquez’s service time is strange. Cot’s contracts shows him at 1year, 120 days coming into the season, but I’m not sure exactly how DL time is counted. So, we have him for at least 4, and maybe 5 more seasons.
Bailey had 86 days coming into the season, and I’m not sure if he got to a full year with his time in ’09. So, we have him for at least 5 more seasons, and possibly 6.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
I was pretty sure 15-day DL time was, not sure about 60-day.
Since he’s technically not part of the 40-man when he’s on the 60-day.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
I recall being told that 60-day DL also counts as service time
the only way to get out of service time is to be in the minors. 40-man doesn’t affect that.
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that is correct
that is why the Reds never put Bray on the 60 day, so they won’t lose a year of service time. He spent the season on the 40 man roster, but on the minor league dl.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
And wasn't Reds AAAA prospect Brian Lane's time on the 60-day-DL
his only MLB service time?
Y’know…back in them there early 90’s?
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by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
My rough estimates
have the Reds paying for about 6-1/2 WAR. Here is a breakdown of my estimations. Keeping in mind this is a very general estimation so no nitpicking. :)
I have set 1 WAR in 2010 worth $3.5M and increase it by 10% each year. I start his WAR at 0.0 for 2010 then after I set an initial 2011 WAR, I increase the following years WAR value by 0.5 each year. I then adjust the 2011 WAR until the total value of the contract matches $30M, then sum up all the WARs to figure out what the Reds are paying for. This is not an estimation of how much he is worth, just an estimation on what the Reds are paying for and what the break even point may be.
Year, WAR$, Proj WAR, $Value
2010, $3.5M, 0.0, 0.0
2011, $3.85M, 0.87, 3.35
2012, $4.23M, 1.37, 5.80
2013, $4.66M, 1.87, 8.71
2014, $5.12, 2.37, 12.14
Total WAR: 6.48
Total Value: $30.00M
Years: 5
can someone translate this for me?
is this good WAR value or not?
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
it means
The Reds are paying Chapman to give them 6-1/2 wins above what a replacement level pitcher would give them over the next five years. For example, Cueto was worth 1.6 WAR in 2009. The risk comes in that Chapman may not reach the bigs for a couple of years, or may never be an effective major league pitcher.
vr, Xei
There is always risk
there is risk when you sit on your hands and do nothing and there is risk when you sign Eric Milton to a big contract. At least this risk has upside, and as you’ve shown, he doesn’t need to be otherworldly for this to be an acceptable contract. Just needs to be decent.
The one that that is weird is that he was a free agent, but not by service time. That makes the numbers weirder than normal.
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Fox
says Chapman has agreed to a deal. An official announcement is expected when he passes his physical.
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the final line of that article is:
Now, sources say, one will be one display in the middle of Ohio.
Who the hell proofreads online content nowadays? Cincy in the middle of Ohio, nice job Si.com.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
That's entirely accurate
One can hardly be two displays.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Jan 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
one is not big enough to hold two
thats why two was created
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
two can be as bad as one
it’s the loneliest number since the number one.
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by bbjones on Jan 10, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda like thinking about the Olsen twins.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
oh, and Heyman thinks the Reds are "cracked" for making the deal
he’s still focused on the $30 million and has yet to talk about the 5 years.
BTW, didn’t the Red Sox spend over $100 million to sign Matsuzaka? Weren’t they praised for that deal? WTF?
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NO DENIES THIS!!!!
/Tawmy’d
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Matsuzaka cost the Sox 3 times as much
MLB ready or not, he wasn’t “proven”
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yeah
plus that included a $50 million negotiating fee.
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right
im saying, that makes that deal much worse. they paid him a market contract, plus a $50 lump sum up front just to talk to him
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that's what I'm saying too
thank you for agreeing with me
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I love it when a plan comes together.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Big difference between 8 seasons in NPB and 4 years in Cuba
Matsuzaka had also dominated in the WBC preceding the contract.
I repeat
Matsuzaka cost 3 times as much. And the signing was praised. My point is that it was 3 times as much!
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Plenty of writers questioned the Daisuke signing
So far, it’s only Heyman who’s jumping on the Reds. And he’s an idiot.
woah man. i think you are being a bit harsh.
lay off the idiots, huh? they dont deserve that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I know
My point is that it was 3 times as much.
Actually, I’m more annoyed that Heyman keeps repeating the $30 million without making any reference to the years on the deal. That’s the most important thing. $30 million over 2 years is a helluva lot different than $30 million over 5 or 10 years.
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daisuke was way better though. and he had the gyroball
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Well, it's still $30 million of risk.
If he burns out in the minors, we’re out $30 million, spread out over 5 or 10 years or not. The contract terms only really matter if he succeeds, at which point he could easily be a bargain at $5 million a year—but would probably not be at, say, $30 million/year.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
But Dice-K had his own super-secret pitch, remember?
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Jan 11, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don't agree with your point at all
According to Fay, it’s 4 times as much.
My only point was that Matsuzaka was more “proven.” Which we all agree is the reason he got a lot more $$ than Chapman.
that's gross.....OH, THAT'S what you thought I meant, ewwww
well, since you mentioned it, go ahead, you are the expert
Chapman's not a Boras client,
therefore, Heyman doesn’t think he’s worth the money.
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no doubt
and all big market teams are going to bash his “make-up” or something racist like that, they didn’t pony up
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fox comment i thought was funny
this just in.he is really livan hernandez’ older brother
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Can we re-do the prospect list now?
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by Excalib8 on Jan 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can someone explain the significance of a lefty throwing 100 MPH?
Why are there so few LHP fireballers?
so few lefties + so few fireballers = small intersection.
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if he's good enough to pitch in the majors
it will make him more viable because of the rarity. The key is for him to get to the majors though.
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I guess I don't get it then.
It’s rare but not an advantage, the way I read it. If he can’t control pitches, he’s going to be garbage. If he can find the plate, he’d be good as a righty or lefty.
yes, but it's also true that in the history of baseball there have been fewer flamethrowing lefties than righties, for whatever reason
not sure if that makes it more of an advantage, just quite a rarity
Not a dart at you, but just skepticism generally.
I like that he throws hard and I hope he’s amazing but I don’t understand why it matters that he’s a lefty.
i think its an advantage because its a rarity
the ball coming off a lefty’s hand looks the opposite than coming off a righty’s. add to it the fact that he’s a fireballer, it’s a look that hitters aren’t used to, which puts him at an advantage.
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But his left-handedness is only a rarity.
I was trying to ascertain whether or not there was a distinct advantage to having a left-handed pitcher that throws hard as compared to a right-handed pitcher that throws hard, fundamentally, not in terms of matchups.
Educated Guess:
The arm angle and radius of the pitcher’s delivery effect the rate that the batter picks up on the pitch thrown
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Yes, certainly
The movement on a lefty’s ball is odd to face for batters of either hand especially at those speeds. The rarity lends to the increased effectiveness and desirability.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's no joke about a lefty's movement
just playing catch with one is sometimes strange because of the weird movement. I have no idea how they do it.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
But there are many lefties in baseball.
I guess one that throws hard could be partiuclarly advantageous
There are not that many starters
and even fewer who throw really hard.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
only about 30% of pitchers are lefties
it’s rare enough that a guy throwing 4-8 mph faster would probably f-up your game
Yep,
If a plus second pitch develops and he throws strikes with that heater, you have Randy Johnson.
by Pops Daniels on Jan 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
the slider is already above average, could be plus
he just needs to learn to control it. If he can get an average offspeed pitch to round it out, look out.
A Soto change-up = fuck the Cubs, hard
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Coriolis effect
Righties are better in the southern hemisphere.
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Not if they're screwballers.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
That documentary was really deep
I hope that he tries to move his wife and child to America, instead of moving on with his 30 million dollars
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just finished watching those
i want to watch the pitching again!
can you imagine having to chose between the freedom to pursue your dream and your family? i sure hope relations are normalized soon.
honestly Cuba doesn't want them normalized
Johnson, Nixon, Carter, and Clinton all gave Cuba a chance, but Cuba doesn’t want it. The embargo is a huge symbol for the Revolution. If relations is normalized what does the gov’t have to stand on?
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
conservatives argue it isolates them, while in reality it makes them more powerful by elevating there position.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson, Nixon, Carter, and Clinton all had to deal with Fidel
Raul is a bit more, uh, not so anti-capitalist. the ice is already thawing.
Raul also has a more tenuious position
he doesn’t have the talents that his brother has.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
The only way relations will be normalized is if Obama is personally involved
He’s a little to busy with other stuff right now. Personally I would love to go, my great aunt was a big band singer in Habana and left just before the revolution, says its the most beautiful beach she’s ever seen.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
we could move the marlins to havana!
they’d fill a stadium! and that would be the bestest road trip ever!
ah Cuba is very safe
there is almost no gun violence, and a cop on every corner, goes with the whole military/police state thing.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
but there's no fresh milk
i’d rather live in a dangerous world with milk!
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i don't care what they say
I won’t live in a world without love.
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no i was just saying something that i knew would make several of you comment
i don’t really believe it
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I got your Cuba information covered.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
actually
I pretty sure their homicide rates are much lower in cuba.
Noone has money + no guns = no murder
I know a Canadian that goes down there about once a year or so to help their rum distilleries
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
i love Havana Club
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Its good stuff
I have a bottle in the bar that I brought back from Guadalajara last November.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
actually Congress has to authroize it
The Helms Burton Act requires Congress to overturn the embargo, and any Congressman or Senator with a large Cuban constituency would commit political suicide to overturn it.
Thank you Mr. Clinton for singing this act.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
you must be talking about Varadero
this sand is white
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
you are loving this signing
being our Cuban expert in chief. Kinda like the weatherman last week.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Impressive frame.
Nice, easy arm action. Lots of moving parts in his delivery. Pro coaching easily should smooth him out.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and Fay insists it could be for up to 10 years
I’ll tell you what, if it is for anywhere from 7-10 years and still for only 30 mil, that’s a great job by the FO.
I wonder if after the first few years it involves club options?
I do like this
A rotation with Edinson Volquez, Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey and Chapman could return the franchise to its successful past.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but who's the fifth? Leake?
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care so much anymore about not having Zach Stewart.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
True, None of the pitcher listed above have control of their tools like Leake
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Controlling your tool is paramount.
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
by SullivanSmith on Jan 10, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Take note, jch.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
and Leake doesn't exactly lob the ball up there
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
no kidding
Voltron/Bailey/Chapman/Cueto/Leake is a rotation I like a lot.
If we can sign a hitter or two with the Harang/Arroyo money, we’ll be in business.
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i'm going to watch the packers/cardinals game
instead of watching the tyler smith-less vols get beat by 40
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yeah ill be over there if this game blows up like it should
im not totally sold on kansas though. this is a good chance for me to see what theyre about
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yeah kansas isn't the #1 team in the country
but Tennessee should be bad the rest of the season
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UT has two things going for it
the games at home, and they could be riding the emotions of the suspensions
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about to jump off their bandwagon also?
see: Bengals early 2009 season
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Kragthorpe'd
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I'll never leave the Cards
But I’d be a damned fool to say they’re the #1 team in the country. There does exist a middle ground on most topics, you know.
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
solid point
but he’ll never understand that.
everything is “the worst thing of all time”
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by 'tHan on Jan 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
kinda like
“John Wall is the fastest player I’ve ever seen” I know a couple people like that.
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
i havent seen every player ever
but john wall is the fastest player ive ever seen
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Are we talking with the ball or without?
Because Wall is up ther when it comes to fastest player with the ball. I still put early Kidd and early Kevin Johnson ahead of him. Of course, I’m talking about early in their NBA career. I think Wall will best them as he improves his game.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
this tennessee/kansas game
makes me think about how good UK would be if they had wound up with Hopson and Henry
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All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
Chan is now firmly rooting for Tennessee
Her statement on Henry’s 3 point play:
“Aw…Come on you thugs!”
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Would you say Wall is faster wih the ball end to end than Tony Parker right now?
Yes, I’m serious. Against NBA defense, btw.
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
As a Spurs and UK fan
i can confidently say that John Wall is currently a better all around player than Tony Parker
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you have to be the dumbest motherfucker alive to say such a thing
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
everyone knows the KGB killed JFK....
And Wall is the fasted guard I’ve seen in my lifetime at UK
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
that was Ainge v. Notre Dame
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I figured. I'd still place him at No. 3.
But I do expect that to change.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
biggest news of the Reds off-season, and somehow we still have a
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Looks like the Packers might get beaten by 40.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i like this compliment
"They’ve got really good international scouts, and they’ve invested on the international side." (from the Fox article)
things are looking very bright!
Bob scored some points with me today
this shows he is serious about winning, he didn’t have to spend this money, but he did. It also shows he is interested in alternative routes, i’m drinking the kool aid and this is growing on me.
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Now Fay is saying
6 years guaranteed but the payout is stretched over longer
I’m liking it more and more
Touchdown Cardinals!
Today’s games are going much better than yesterday’s
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So he's 26 maybe...:)
Works for me…then he’s just entering his prime!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Jan 10, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
In that documentary, it shows a picture of his legal passport
I would hope that’s right
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
actually Cuba does a pretty good job of keeping records
so his age is what it states.
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by justin007000 on Jan 10, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
After yesterday's misery
I’m almost giddy today. First watching the Ravens had Brady and Belichick a thorough ass-whupping, then this. Don’t check the computer for three hours and look what happens.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
I hate to say it, but I love
the way Baltimore plays. Run the ball, play serious defense and be relentless.
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I right that the Reds roster
has 39 players, so Chapman will be added without anyone being DFA’d?
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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that's a rec.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
correct
anderson was signed to a minor league deal, so the 40-man should still have a spot
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i guess that rules out watching on espn 360 then.
hmm…gonna be a tough sell here to change the channel
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Pacquiano/Clottey at Cowboys Stadium
color me underwhelmed.
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It's the next-best fight out there for Pacquiao
But, yes, horribly disappointing. I don’t like the matchup for Pacquiao at all; Clottey’s impossible to look good against, and while Cotto was effectively the same size as Manny, Clottey is an enormous welterweight. He regularly weighs in at 170 on fight night. But, the clear top 6 welters in the world are Floyd, Manny, Cotto, Mosley, Berto and Clottey. He already fought Cotto, and Mosley and Berto are busy fighting each other, so, other than Floyd, Clottey is the best fight out there for him.
Now, Floyd’s in a really tough spot. He either takes a crap fight against a guy like Malignaggi, or he really challenges himself and goes after either Bradley or Paul Williams. Which, of course, he won’t. He’s not risking his “0” against those guys, and either one has a real chance in the fight. Bottom line, unless he fights Pacquiao, the criticism of “he never fought a top welter” is still legitimate.
Fights I want to see in 2010:
1. Manny-Floyd
2. Pavlik-Williams
3. Lopez-Gamboa
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
Floyd is a coward
word is he doesnt want to fight anyone that might defeat him. beyotch is the first word that comes to mind.
i’d love to see Manny go against Malignaggi also seeing as how he has pointed fingers at Pac using steroids.
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Mayweather is money!
who can blame him for not wanting to fight a cheater. you’d probably be upset if he complained about a fighter loading up their gloves too
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i get your love for Mayweather
ever since he “performed” on Wrestlemania i knew he’d be your favorite boxer of all time. the sweet science isnt your forte.
go back to your UFC pay per views. and your salad bar. and Julia Roberts flicks.
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it's no secret i prefer UFC to boxing
but i didn’t eat the salad bar and i hate julia roberts.
Pac is a cheater and a bitch for dodging the drug testing
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hmmmmm
why do you like the WWE so much if you’re a big drug testing advocate? oh wait, not too many of them are dying young or anything, right?
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i've switched from the wwe
i havent’ watched it in months.
That time is now devoted to MMA
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Wrong. Mayweather is a bitch for demanding testing that few
other boxers would ever agree to. He’s not that good.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
No, he's not.
See below.
Manny is willing to submit to blood testing. Mayweather is asking for blood testing that he KNOWS Manny blames for his loss to Morales.
Mayweather is a bitch for using Manny’s superstition to get out of the fight while making him look bad.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
Horseshit. Mayweather knows Pac would destroy him.
Also Manny has never failed a drug test. Mayweather is looking for any type of advantage he can get. He knows he stands little chance against Manny.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Can I blame him for consistently refusing to fight the best competition available?
Is that cool?
Plus, there’s absolutely no evidence that Manny has ever doped. His resistance to Floyd’s drug testing plan dates back to his fight with Erik Morales, when he had blood drained a week before the fight, and lost a close 12 round decision. Both Pacquiao and Morales noted that Pacman was not at the top of his game that night, and speculated that the drawn blood might have something to do with that.
Floyd didn’t think Manny would agree to his split, and Manny called his bluff. Floyd came up with this drug-testing plan that he knows Manny already belives cost him a fight. When Manny said he’d come down from his original demand of a 30-day no-blood window to 24, Floyd went to 14, again knowing Manny wouldn’t take it. Then, he broke off negotiations.
Floyd was looking for any excuse to get out of the fight, IMO.
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by BLee2525 on Jan 10, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd rec'd rec'd rec'd rec'd
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
where's the outrage vs Floyd?
anyone who dodges a fight for the ages is a chump. he’s no champion. gutless.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Mayweather is the true champion.
everyone knows that.
Pac is a John Leguizamo lookalike that’s addicted to steroids.
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True champions fight the best competition available to them.
Floyd does not pass that test. Manny does.
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no manny dodged mayweather
he should have done whatever was necessary to make the fight happen
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I do, I just like this back and forth
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
you guys make a valid point
i say something ridiculous in response to it.
it is kinda fun
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
No you haven't
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by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
cant tell it here
it involves jch, the peach, blondie and me.
and a LOT of silence.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
i do what i can
it was an awkward situation. silence was golden. nuff said.
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Nope.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
she'd probably go Dutch
or Afrikaner
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by obc2 on Jan 10, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd like hell.
Nice job sir.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
it was really just directed at obc
for being a contrarian
other people just happened to get involved.
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No fighter worth a salt would have agreed to Mayweather's
shenanigans
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
What fantastic timing.
Even though its 430 central I can still taste the whiskey from last nights ugly Bungles performance. At least this removes the taste of sick from my mouth slightly. Is spring training here yet? Cmon already.
He called me a baboon, he thinks I'm his wife.
um, Holy Shit
that is all….
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
a little late to the party, but some interesting info:
RT: @ctrent: From what I hear, chapman could pitch this year for the reds, but not probably not right away. would likely start in aa
why? "not probably not right away"
means right away!
he’s starting the season in cincinnati!
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opening day
seems the place to meet before opening night, no?
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
game two is on a wednesday
how do you ever make it to the game meets?
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I can't read today.
I blame it on the fact that my head asploded.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
zebulon is the coolest name for a city
i think i could get there by train. or at least train and bus. or train and cab?
You could get close-ish by train or bus...
But neither will get you to the stadium, which would be a very long cab ride from Raleigh.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Aroldis Chapman is enjoying his job-hunting visit to America
Wilkommen Porkopolis, el Studino.
This picture is more…well, more.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
Looks like he's good with both arms.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
One on each...
well, never mind.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so excited about this signing that the little angel on my left shoulder won out over the little devil on my right when trying to decide whether or not to make a joke here
All UK fans are toothless racist hillbillies.
Chapman, Duran, Rodriguez.
I guess this franchise is serious about international scouting. I like it. The Astros lived off of Venezuela for years. The Reds used to be strong in Latin America. Even the Pirates in their better years were very strong there.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 10, 2010 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peter Bjarkman, a Cuban baseball historian...
Haterism?
There’s a whole lot of people who wrote opinion pieces on the risks of signing him, but I’m elated.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
Fay is reporting that the deal is spread over "many years"
and the Reds won’t be on the hook for big money until 2014.
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yeah, I'm not denying that
just wanted to add that I thought it was cool that the money was spread over more years than 5. Lessens the risk.
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It'll be fun to see this team give it a go.
In case everything falls in place…and the inevitable mid-season fire sale will be an exciting influx of prospects.
I want to read The 2010 Reds. I know it’s a prequel, but still. I like the story, and I’m kind of getting attached to the characters.
Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 10, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, I'm gonna be in town starting tomorrow afternoon
and there until Friday night, if anyone wants to get wasted go get some burgers or something.
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
him too
i guess really he looks like any other short fat point guard
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Prince almost crushed Morningstar...
He’s just a li’l guy…
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
He bounced back pretty nicely there
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Vols are doing everything they can to give this one away
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Was that right?
That kid was a freshman walk-on?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Taylor just stood there after that shot
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
wow
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
unreal
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
That's an impressive showing by the Vols.
Ballsy game, fellas.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
So how many first place votes will UK get tomorrow
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Texas will be #1 for sure
but UK will pick up votes…..just how the AP does things
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Beanie Wells is doing a good job of not making me hate him so much!
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Beanie is the fucking man.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
You're right he and Adrian Peterson suck.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
no they are both good
but wells does have a reputation for fumbling a lot
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As does Peterson.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
*throws flag*
He has a pretty firm grasp on that face mask there
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
i still don't understand why offensive players are allowed to do that
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Because A. It's bad-ass B. There's rarely a twisting of the head
The facemask penalty was created to prevent guys from twisting other players’ heads around. Stiff arms usually = no twist
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
kurt warner is 17/19
with 4 td’s.
he’s probably on steroids.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Someone get Floyd Mayweather on this!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt Warner is awesome and a Hall of Famer!
too bad he’s retiring after this season
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At least he's already in Arizona ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep. I sure is.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
this is a fantastic NFL playoff game
the other nitwits are missing the fun.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
steve breaston just did the razor ramon dance as his td celebration
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why is everyone hating on graham?
didnt the bengals lose by 10? did he miss 4 field goals?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
im just asking
i didnt see the game, but judging by one game, you cant blame him right?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
He deserves some of the blame though
The second one he missed was a chip shot that could have cut it to a 1 possession game with 5 minutes left
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
he deflated the sails
he’s choked multiple times in pressure situations. makes the kicks that don’t matter and tends to miss the ones that do.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
Palmer kept airmailing throws.
Shayne missed 2 easy field goals, either of which would have made it a 1 possession game when we got the ball back with 3 minutes left, meaning we would have been able to run the ball on a drive to tie the game up.
The referees missed a blatant holding call by a Jets’ WR on a Bengals’ DB which would have brought back a looooooong Jets’ TD run. They also called a big Bengals’ run back due to a ticky-tack holding call on the interior line. Then, they missed a blatant pass interference by Revis on the 2nd to last drive.
There’s plenty of blame to go around.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
You can't blame the loss squarely on him
But he’s worn out his welcome in Cincinnati
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
shaynekapotamus
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jan 10, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dont all kickers?
it seems like fanbases ultimately sour on all kickers. people seem to remember the misses more than the makes. i cant think of many football fans who are happy with their kicker. even vinatieri is out in indy.
this is pretty speculative, though, because i dont have a favorite football team.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
I'd take Adam Vinatieri over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
I'd take a one legged midget over Shayne Graham in a heartbeat
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
haha....you're welcome
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
you know what sucks, than?
boynton had 28 points in florida’s loss. so a UK player will not win SEC freshman of the week this week. poop.
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
UK only played the one game this week
how did Vandy’s freshman do in that florida game?
If he did poorly, maybe wall win get the award because his team actually won
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what a crazy week end of sports
This Cards-Pack game is nuts
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
it would take Palmer about a month to get that
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Boobs, these are apparently Conan's options. No way I'd stay at NBC if I were him.
Latest on Conan/NBC saga…
TMZ has more on the Conan
O’Brien/NBC saga. As reported earlier, NBC is pulling the plug on The Jay Leno Show at 10PM ET and instead moving Leno back to 11:35PM ET, a move that would bump Conan back to 12:05 PM ET. Moving Conan out of the 11:35PM ET timeslot would breach NBC’s contract with him, leaving Conan with three options…
1. Quit the show, leave NBC, and collect the $80 million or so that is guaranteed to him by NBC ($20 million a year for the next four years) while not having to do anything for the next four years.
2. Go to either FOX or ABC and start a competing late-night show. If this were to happen, NBC would still have to pay him the offset amount left by his new deal. So say Conan goes to ABC or FOX for $15 million a year, and his current NBC deal pays him $20 million a year, NBC would still have to pay him the remaining $5 million a year.
3. Accept the 12:05AM ET timeslot that NBC is now offering, and continue getting his $20 million a year salary despite being at a later timeslot. This is what NBC is said to be hoping for as they don’t want Conan going to another network and competing against Leno.
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yeah i can see what youre saying
maybe he will go elsewhere. i could see him staying at the middle time slot, though
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
i'd go with 2 and go toe to toe
seeing as how you’re a Mayweather fan I know you would select 1.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
and have some slick financial analyst swindle your fortune
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
you could spend the time writing a book
about how salty you are over the whole thing
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
I don't think it would actually breach his contract.
I’ve read elsewhere that the contract would allow them to push him back a half hour, but no more. I think he could walk at no cost to him, but he would not get more money.
Or I guess TMZ could be right on this…
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
perhaps it's just the circles i run in
but over the last 2 years i’ve seen more folks interested the machinations of these shows than actually bother to watch them.
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Jan 10, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
was that a TE that scored?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Just looked at the Box office results for this weekend
Avatar has made 429 Million.
Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel has made 178 Million.
The Blindside has made 219 Million.
Who says there’s a recession? Apparently people have a lot of money to waste.
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i could tell by the MMA orders
waste of greenbacks, indeed.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
this game will end with an anticlimatic rackers field goal
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
Oh Great he missed it
now OBC is going to be talking about it for years!
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
stick your neck out sometime, son
you might amaze yourself at how right you, too, are
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
i was also right about billy gillispie.
hopefully i’m not right about chapman.
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he's not the fastest player ever
spud webb was quicker with the ball
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
He missed a 34 yarder?
Ouch.
Do they have the same stupid overtime rules in the postseason?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I don't understand why they've stuck with them for so long.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
THIS is american idol
lookie tHan. everyone’s gonna sing michael jackson this year. hee hee.
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
i say we do weekly threads now that tHan is off the bandwagon
"I expected much better than that".....tHan
shouldn't have been
either way rodgers turned it over and I’m happy
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adam schefter tweets
the tuck rule didn’t count on that play, because it only counts on incomplete passes. I did not know that.
It was correctly ruled a fumble
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that's true
i should’ve just said he was going to turn the ball over
oh well
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will someone tell me what jay leno's current show is called?
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
judging by the ratings
no one has watched it long enough to find out the title
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death of a network?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Except for Thursday night.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Defense ALways wins Games
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
No.
This is
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jan 10, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
good gosh amighty
i take no small amount of joy reveling in the misery of men who have such enthusiasm for a bunch of 16-year-old boys running around on a football field
Alway the optimist...I like your think kid...
I feel bad for the kids
But I love hearing the despair in the announcer’s voices.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Oh, well.
At least the kicker didn’t ultimately lose it for them.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
It's clear to me...
Chapman felt comfortable choosing the Reds because Soto explained to him that he could still wear his red “C” Cuba hat, and that Castro wouldn’t put his family in prison if he chose a team called the “Reds”.
i don't really see how that is "clear"
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Jan 11, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Cosa Salvaje
Way to go Reds. Guess we can’t say that they didn’t do anything this off-season. Not sure how it helps 2010, but I like.
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