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  • Matt Maloney was slicin' up eyeballs last night
    until he had to leave the game with a blister. He retired 10 of the last 11 Rockies he faces, and threw only 66 pitches over his 5 innings. "That’s the best I’ve thrown since I’ve been up here. It’s just real frustrating to have command of my cutter and sinker, getting groundballs like I did, and then to have to come out for something like this." I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but I think Maloney is a much more exciting prospect than he gets credit for.

    He's only 25 this year, but he's been stuck in AAA for two straight seasons, though arguably it is through no fault of his own. Though his ERA was an unattractive 4.68 last season, his peripherals were better than that. His career minor league numbers are sterling, with a 3.29 ERA, an 8.9 K/9, a 2.8 BB/9, and a 0.7 HR/9 rate. Those are numbers that look to translate into success at the Major League level. The knock on him has always been that his stuff is merely average, that these numbers are an illusion caused by his dominance of inferior competition. Put him in there against big leaguers and he'll be exposed. This is presumably why the Reds have kept him in AAA since he was 23. But with a rotation spot open for next season because of the injury to Edinson Volquez, I would love to see Maloney get his shot. He's certainly earned it.

    It is interesting in that Maloney is in many ways a perfect foil to Homer Bailey.  Bailey is the uberprospect blessed with unnatural abilities, rushed through the minors and expected to do great things.  Take a look at Homer's career minor league line - 3.60 ERA, 9.1 K/9, 3.9 BB/9, and 0.7 HR/9.  Nearly identical, save for Homer walking a batter per 9 more.  Of course Maloney is 2 years older, but they started their pro careers at the same time.  It will be really interesting to follow these guys over the next few years.  Hopefully they both succeed in Red.

  • Jay Bruce will stay with the Bats for at least their first round playoff series with the Durham Bulls
    "He said he was swinging better," Baker said. "He stole a couple of bases. His legs are feeling fine. His wrist was a little tight in the beginning but once it loosens up, it’s fine. Last night, he faced someone throwing 95, 96. He was little tardy. But he caught up and got a base hit to left. He said that was the first real real high-octane fastball test he had."

  • Ryan Hanigan is all set to come off the DL today
    Here's what Dusty had to say: "[Miller] and Tatum both have done a good job," Baker said. "We really raided Triple-A, but at the same time, we need another catcher. Most teams have three catchers at this time. With the need to pinch-run for Corky and Tatum or the need to pinch-hit sometimes for both of them, a third catcher would really help us out." Hopefully Hanigan will start the majority of the remaining games, but I''m gonna wager that we still see Corky Miller more often than we should.

  • Chris Sabo's Goggles says it makes perfect sense for the Reds to go after Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan
    which is precisely why it will not happen.

  • Joey Votto is slumping pretty hard lately
    "I've made some bad decisions at the plate lately," Votto said before Monday's game. "It's been a difficult year for me. I'm not using it as an excuse, but it's definitely been a factor. I feel kind of worn out lately. Every day has been kind of a battle to get through. I know it's baseball. This year in general has been a challenge." For you and me both, brother.

  • FanGraphs is taking a look at some of the primetime prospects we'll see in the AFL this year
    and today they took a look at the Peoria Saguaros, where the selected Reds prospects will play. They have blurbs on Yonder Alonso and Chris Heisey, questioning the power potential of each of them.

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Hell yes.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Sep 9, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds good

I should probably go down for that. It will be fun to see Jay Bruce do well,.

Additionally, I need some buddy Bat memorablia.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let us know if you go.

We’ll be there too.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Sep 9, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool

I’ll let you guys know if I can make it

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're picking up BK at 5 in Florence

we should be through Cincy before rush hour gets serious.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're riding with me?

Probably between 4:15 and 4:30.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

car’s full

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dick

i’m only 300 miles out of the way.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 10, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CAR'S. FULL.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Damn three-seater cars...

Sorry about your luck, justin

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Sep 10, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er.. yeah, if possible?

I thought you said it was on the way for you.

by jsl413 on Sep 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just messin' with you

I’ll pick you up. You may wish I hadn’t, but I will.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, making me nervous and stuff.

I have to pay you though don’t I? That means I have to go to the bank. Add it to the list of shit I have to do in the next 2 days.

by jsl413 on Sep 9, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'll grow up to be a debaser

as in, keeping runners off the bases. eh? eh? whuddayathink?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this a ref to the song "debaser"?

because I like that song.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 9, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap, just when I'm going out of town for the weekend.

I guess I could make it to the game tonight, though. Hrmmm…Travis Wood is starting, Jay Bruce is in the lineup…

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maloney onlythrew 66 pitches?

That is heartening. I really thought he was going to giv up tons of homeruns in Coors but he did better than I thought.

It will be nice to have Hanigan back. He is a great catcher and a much better hitter than Corky or Tatum.

HopefullyVotto pulls out of that slump before the end of the year. I don’t like hearing that every day “is a battle”. I guess it is to an extent for everyone playing that many months of basebll, but he really has had a tough year.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 9, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and has anyone mentioned the Fya piece on Gomes here?

It has gems like this:

"I’m going to be in the situation I was last offseason," Gomes said. "It’s a time in your career where you could take the opportunity to play close to home. It’s time in career where you could go for the most money. For me, it’s time in my career where I’m still looking for that opportunity. I’m still looking for gate to gate with 500, 600 at-bats."

Can the Reds offer him that? "I don’t know," Dusty Baker said. "That’s way down the line."

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for catching that

i dont know how i missed it. i would love to see an outfield next season of Bruce-Stubbs-Gomes with Dickerson rotating in CF and LF and Balentien off the bench. that has every chance to be the best value outfield in the majors, with only Gomes making over the minimum, and likely only something like 2-3 mil. man, just omitting the name Taveras there makes me optimisty-eyed.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure wish we could give the Taveras money to Gomes

then you’d have an outfield that would be making around $5.5 million and would be fairly productive. Instead, with Willy’s money already spent, it makes spending money on Gomes more questionable.

As for his defense, if Gomes is the only hole on the whole field, I’m fine with that. Especially since there’d at least be Dickerson or Heisey on the bench to be a LIDR.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't get it.

What’s the knock on Gomes, besides his defense? His splits have been fine in a reasonably large sample. He wouldn’t be very expensive. There are no better options, let alone better and comparably priced options. He is pretty much exactly what the team needs in LF—or the closest they’ll get with a reasonable price tag.

The only reason I see not to like him is Dusty’s stubbornness. I just hope that either (a) this is just bargaining talk, to see if they can get him to sign for less (which doesn’t make much sense), or (b) this will be overridden by Walt or someone else, and Dusty will be told to start him in LF all season long.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've come around on Gomes

Originally I didn’t like his split numbers, and that combined with his defense made me think there’d be better options for less money, but since he’s gotten regular PT this year he’s done fine against righties. I’m a little concerned he can’t keep it up, but that’s no bigger question mark than with anyone else we’ve got.

I say pay him his few million and put him in LF.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right. He was a huge question mark coming into the season...

but taking a flyer on him paid off. At least, after he broke out of AAA, then after he finally got off of the major league bench.

But starting him in LF is going to mean giving up on Taveras, for real. Someone’s going to have to tell Dusty that’s the way it’s going to be. Is anyone willing to do that?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his boss will

i pray to God his boss will

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wishful thinking.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about that

Taveras went on the DL 20 days ago. Maybe he’s still hurt, maybe not, but it’s possible Walt put him on it as a way of telling Dusty “It’s over.”

He took his toy away for now and if possible will not let him use him next year either.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know we all hope so...

but I’ve been consistently disappointed by Dusty’s insistence on playing his favorite players. I’m just trying not to get my hopes up.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know Dusty will probably play him if allowed to

What I’m saying is, the injury didn’t look that serious, and with the rosters expanded, there’s really no reason he shouldn’t come back soon, if not already, yet we haven’t heard ANYTHING about him.

I’m wondering if Walt is keeping him on the DL to remove the temptation for Dusty to play him over Stubbs. If that’s the case, I’m hopeful Walt will remove the temptation permanently this offseason.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could be completely wrong, but...

… with Gomes being Arbitration eligible, that could make him more pricey that he should be, and given that he wants something he’s never done (500-600 ABs in a season), I have a feeling he wants to be paid like an everyday player as well.

Gomes would be perfect as a platoon player, but let’s not make him the everyday player when he’s never done so before in his career.

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

while i agree with you

i dont see anyone else available for comparable money who could do better. i think he could be a solid 2.5 WAR player if given the opportunity, and that is a damn sight better than what we’ve been getting.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would he be perfect as a platoon but not everyday?

This year he’s hit righties better than Nix (.258/.329/.556 vs. .258/.306/.504 for Nix) and with more power than Dickerson (.281/.379/.387 vs. righties). Sure, he could get injured, but he seems no more susceptible to that than anyone else.

He played every day in AAA, didn’t he? And most days once he got to the majors. I really don’t see how this makes him only a platoon player.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gee it lookls pretty close there between Nix and Gomes

I see no reason not give Gomes a shot at LF full time.
Gomes doesn’t PH well but Nix does.
Nix can play CF,RF, and LF, he hits for more power than C-Dick.
Nix is the obvious choice for backing up Gomes and Bruce.
Dickerson is the safety net for Stubbs
Balentien may only have shot if Gomes isn’t signed.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Sep 9, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PH

Laynce Nix career PH numbers (65 PA): .155/.246/.276
Jonny Gomes career PH numbers (66 PA): .172/.273/.345

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Between 2006-2008

Gomes OPS’d a whopping .678 vs RHP in 591 ABs.

While he’s had some better numbers in 2009, I’m not ready to say that he’s fully turned the corner.

Dude rakes North of a .900 OPS vs LHP, so if you want to maximize Gomes, play him everyday vs LHP, and then pick and choose the matchups/arms he’s had success vs the occasional RHP.

Let Dickerson get some ABs vs RHP, no? We’re not going to add a big bat to LF, so Gomes will be our best option, but he shouldn’t be our everyday option, IMO.

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but in the most recent 170 PAs against righties

he’s hit .258/.329/.556. It’s not a huge sample size, but at least it all happened in one year. This year, even.

And again: if you want him, you have to play him against everyone. I’m just arguing that this is not a huge problem. In fact, he’s one of our best hitters vs. RHP.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomes has exceeded all expectations

vs. RHP this year by a long shot.

However, it is a small sample size, and he didn’t get the everyday gig until injuries forced The Dusty’s hand to put Gomes in the lineup on an everyday basis.

I’m just a tad gunshy to look at what he’s done vs. RHP this year, forget what he’s done vs. RHP prior to this year and pronounce him an everyday player.

Worst case, I’d rather try it next year, but hope that The Dusty will find someone else to get ABs vs RHP if and when Gomes regresses to his mean vs RHP.

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again...

Even including his crappy earlier years, Gomes has a lifetime line vs. RHP of .226/.312/.448, good for an OPS of .759.

Rolen’s OPS vs. RHP this year: .764.
BP: .724

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BP's RHP split

has never, and will never impress me, especially as BP fails to recognize sliders and can’t lay off them

I root like Hell for Gomes, but I have a hard time rooting for him to be someone he’s historically not shown to be

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's shown himself to be

as good or better at hitting RHP than Rolen or BP. I’m really not seeing what more you demand for him to avoid a platoon.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To avoid a platoon

Let’s see him put up similar numbers against RHP and LHP over at least a full season.

It could happen, but hasn’t yet.

Let’s give him next year to find out, but let’s also have a plan B in the works as well.

Nothing wrong with being prepared, right?

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between being prepared

and acting like there’s no way he could be a decent full-time player. And it’s kind of hard to give him a full season to see how he does against LHP and RHP if we do as you suggested:

Gomes would be perfect as a platoon player, but let’s not make him the everyday player when he’s never done so before in his career.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not only that

but if you read the article, he talks about how he tends to see and hit RHP better the more at bats he gets, and this year is the first time he’s really had the chance to hit against them consistently (i.e. he never got in a groove against them.)

Also, lest we forget that in his 500+ previous PA’s, he was facing a large dose of AL East pitching…that’s not exactly the same as the Pirates and ’Stros.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more pricey than he should be?

I don’t understand. Arbitration will keep his cost down compared to what he could ask for on the free agent market, at least by 80%.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Even if he argues that he should play every day, he still spent half of his season in AAA, right?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if the team has any wiggle room this offseason

It should be used to offer Gomes arb and sign him.

And to Highlifeman, I think everyone agrees Dickerson should get some ABs against righties, both in CF for Stubbs and in LF for Gomes. He could start once a week for each one, keep each one fresh, and get 300-400 PAs himself.

Of course, that would require a manager with an ounce of creativity and progressiveness.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obama has some creativity and progressiveness

Obama for Reds manager in 2010.

You know it is funny that Firefox things Obama is a misspelled word.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares what firefox things?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget flexibility

Don't take anything I say too seriously, I sure don't.

by RedsMasochist on Sep 9, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gomes won't get 500-600 ABs in 2009 for any team, except

the Pirates, Royals, Nationals, Orioles, Diamondbacks or the Reds.

And while I don’t think he’d leave the Queen City for better money in a different town, I guess anything’s possible.

That being said, didn’t he recently say he’d accept Arbitration if offered?

I see the Reds low-balling Gomes in Arbitration, which could result in a hearing, and based on Gomes’ stats, I’m pretty sure we’d lose and he’d be more expensive than we could possible afford.

Or, I could be completely wrong on this whole Arbitration thing, and Gomes could end up being a bargain.

I’ll defer to you Slyde. If you say he’s gonna be cost effective, then by all means.

Still doesn’t change the fact I think we should only platoon him in 2010, though.

by Highlifeman21 on Sep 9, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being more than the team can afford and being too pricey are two different things

If EdE got just over 3 mil, I don’t think Gomes would get much more than that. A $3 mil. player only needs to be about 1.5 WAR to be worth the money, and it’s a fairly safe bet Jonny would outperform that.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I take that back

He’d only need to be worth 1 WAR to be worth the money.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bitter again?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that implies he's stopped at some point

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record, I disagree on Maloney

He clearly has promise, but because of his stuff he has a razor-thin margin of error. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a solid #4-#5 starter, but I don’t think he’s ever going to be a world beater. (Although would probably be the best bet for the 5th spot next season)

And Justin, I don’t recall Scrabbles ever claiming he was exposing any new epiphanies. But you’re right, the world is out to get you.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but i mean the guy throws in the high 80s to low 90s

I just took a quick glimpse through last nights gameday, and i was seeing his fastball ranging from 88 to 91, so he has average velocity. According to fangraphs his average fastball is 88.2, but his average curveball is 71.3. So that is a 17 MPH different, which is enough to give hitters something else to think about. I don’t know if Maloney will put it togeather, but throwing a 95 MPH fastball isn’t a prerequisite to success, ask Tom Glavine.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but there's more than velocity

Who knows how much movement he gets on his FB. Mike Leake only throws 88-91 on his FB (as a righty no less) but gets such crazy movement on it and all his other pitches that he can still fool guys.

Maybe Maloney’s curve breaks a ton, maybe it doesn’t. The point is he doesn’t seem to have any great out pitch, and that is always risky.

I will say that the ground ball tendencies are really attractive, and he’s a MUCH better option than Lehr or Wells. (who is throwing 93-94 at times)

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i mean to get the kind of strikes outs Maloney was getting in the minors

he has to have some sort of out pitch. I haven’t actually seen Maloney pitch, everytime he has pitched i’ve been in class, at work, or in Europe.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think Maloney's changeup is his out pitch

and with a K rate of 9 per 9 he has to be doing something right. even if that drops off in the majors, his BB rate and GB rates are good enough i think to sustain him.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true,

It’s just that so far in the MLB he’s thrown his FB 60% of the time and it’s been worth -5 runs. His change has been positive, but I wonder if he needs his FB to set up the change (ala Volquez) but if the FB doesn’t get it done against MLBers enough to make the change effective.

Just a theory, I don’t really know anything, and I’d love it if he could be successful.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah obviously none of us are working with great knowledge of this situation

but i think it will be interesting to see what comes of him. i dont think the Reds believe in him all that much, so it would be all the more pleasant of a surprise to see him make it.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish there were minor league fangraphs

but i guess the data just isn’t collected on minor league games, so it would be really difficult if not impossible to track down that information.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they have pretty much everything but individual pitch values.

minorleaguesplits.com has LD, GB, and FB percentages back to 2005.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Reds have no faith in him

he and Bailey put up similar AAA numbers last year (both had down years), and it was a 3 man race for the 5th spot between Bailey, Owings, and Masset, Maloney I think got 3 big league innings this spring.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's because these decisions aren't made solely on the numbers

some pitchers are good in the minors because they stay around the plate and can get lesser hitters out. Once they get to the big leagues, they get jacked up. At an individual pitcher level, it’s foolish to assume that two pitchers with similar numbers in the minors will have similar success in the big leagues. There is a world of difference between the minors and the majors, and the fact is that Bailey has always had big league stuff, but needed to learn to pitch. Maloney beat him to the learning to pitch step, but that doesn’t mean that he has big league stuff.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really you didn't enjoy this madville

i figured you of all people would at least smirk. I guess i’ll just have to continue the search for a father figure. Hey CJH what are you up to?

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh? My son why hast thou forsaken me? You're retort was insightful and clever and the picture rivaled that of BubbaFan..

But then you’ve never really appreciated me…

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Sep 9, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woah man

no need to get angry. tip o’ the cap for being ahead of me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 9, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was more of a joke than angry

and mostly me blowing my own horn.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a great joke!

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

If you were Pronto, you’d be telling us how much Maloney sucks, and how “they’ve” ruined him.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do wonder if it bother Maloney

that he and Bailey have essentially put up similar numbers and the Reds give Bailey ever opportunity to make the starting staff, and treat Maloney like a AAAA pitcher, and only throw him in the rotation when they don’t really have any other options.

If I were Maloney I would have been really pissed when Lehr and Wells got starts over me.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Sep 9, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are blowing it out of proportion

and Maloney has thrown about 66 good pitches in the big leagues. Let’s not start acting like he’s got it all figured out.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

it won’t take him going down in flames to get you there.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you about Lehr and Wells...

I’m definitely more excited about seeing Maloney pitching for the Reds than either of those guys.

That said, his stuff isn’t as spectacular as Bailey’s, which seems to be why he’s been stuck in AAA all along. Seems like it’s still better than the stuff we’ve seen from Lehr or Wells, though.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please no LaRussa next year ...

i can’t stand the guy. i’d honestly rather have dustbag than LaRussa next year. Now Duncan is a whole other can of beans. We must do everything in our power to land him.

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 9, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is an honest question

are they really that joined at the hip? Do you think one would require the other?

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was unhappy with LaRussa

which was why he wanted out. Right?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's unhappy with the front office

because they traded his son.

She said, "You don't even buy me presents." Yeah I did. I bought you a box of chicken but I ate it on the way home.

by Slyde on Sep 9, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally joined no

but its hard to draw much else from that article. I only read about 30 or so comments, but I’m not so sure that Dusty and Duncan couldn’t get along. Or I could be completely wrong.

by ol Pete on Sep 9, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this comment would be clearer

with more negatives.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't it?

I’m not so sure it couldn’t be more or less clearer

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or you might not be so wrong about it.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably no doubt!

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Sep 9, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not the case that it isn't enough.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should add that one was referring to the original commentator's remarks

Two in a sentence of a single subject is not illustrative.

by ol Pete on Sep 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clearing that up

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Sep 9, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 9, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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