Game 158 Thread: Cardinals at Reds
by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
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St. Louis Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds, Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
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This will likely be Bronson Arroyo's last start of the season. His last chance to bring home 15 wins for the second straight year. If he manages to do it, he'll be only the fifth Reds pitcher in the last 30 years to win 15 games in two different seasons (can you name the other 4?). If he can keep his ERA under 4.00, it'll be the second time he's managed that in a full season in his career, the other time being 2006. It's been a pretty good year for Arroyo. Hopefully he'll end it on a positive note.
In his last 5 starts against the Reds, John Smoltz has a 2.19 ERA. Then again, of his last 5 starts against the Reds, the last one was in 2007, 2 were in 2006, one was in 2005, and one was in 1999. Not surprisingly, only 6 Reds have previously faced Smoltz, and only Scott Rolen (38 PA -.265/.316/.500) and Willy Taveras (13 PA - .167/.231/.250) have faced him more than 6 times. Don't fret, Taveras is not in the lineup tonight as Drew Stubbs is leading off and in center field.
Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, and Jay Bruce are in the lineup though. The three have combined to hit .393/.455/.714 since Bruce came off of the DL on September 14th. If they had just done that all season, the Reds would be in a much better spot than they are now, that's for sure.
Instead, they are 2 games out of 3rd place, which isn't much of a goal at the start of the season but would be a pleasant accomplishment given how bad things looked three weeks in to August. The Brewers are currently in 3rd place and are in the middle of a series with the Colorado Rockies, who are trying to clinch a playoff spot. Third place can be had, but the Reds have to keep winning. That means tonight.
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I'm first
and tired.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shit, Gary Nolan is well past 30 years ago
Um… Seaver?
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rijo, Browning, and Harang are right
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just checked the last one
Makes sense.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smiley?
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope i just checked and i'm wrong
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll guess again with Soto
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pop Quiz while we're waiting for game time
Of the 30 current professional baseball teams, how many have a franchise W-L % above .500?
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God I wish someone else was here
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct!
There are 11 teams with a “career” winning record. The Diamondbacks are four games away from making it 12 though.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it!!111111111
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by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna have people try to name the teams, but they're pretty much the usual suspects
1. Yankees
2. Giants
3. Dodgers
4. Cardinals
5. Red Sox
6. Cubs
7. Indians
8. Reds
9. White Sox
10. Tigers
11. Pirates
Strangely, both Chicago teams are winners.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the lineup, for those who(m) are wondering
Drew Stubbs cf
Paul Janish ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Laynce Nix lf
Ryan Hanigan c
Bronson Arroyo p
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not bad
I’d like to see Gomes, but that’s my only gripe. Laynce Nix probably shouldn’t be on the team next year, but he’s been far from terrible. He’s pretty handy with the glove and third on the team in doubles.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta get all 7 outfielders some time this week
just like spring training, you know? boy, now that i think about it, this is kind of a good idea. why didnt we think of this before?
/gunshot, thump
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Automatic for the People's in the CD player!
Yoink.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd think of something witty to say in response
but i’m dead now.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Really dead here tonight.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just got home
no way i miss Bronson’s last start of the season.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RBI opportunity for Hanigan
How come we have no good nickname for Hanigan?
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Little Teapot?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly cannot come up with a nick name for him
why little teapot?
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no good reason
it was the first phrase to come to mine, for what its worth
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he comes through.
He’s totally un-clutch. Definitely no MVP.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hananigans
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Killians?
The Irish Red?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried Zap Hanigan for awhile
Didn’t seem to take.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone commented on Wedge's firing?
Why don’t we get to fire our manager, too? :-(
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by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Wedge that bad of a manager?
I always liked him, even when Peralta was the SS. My Indians friends never had any gripes, atl east.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad luck'd
Seriously, I thought Wedge was a good manager who was cursed with bad players at the beginning of his tenure and bad injuries at the end.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: what did Bronson's single look like?
Really a “soft pop-up to secondbaseman” or was it one of those outfield dying quails?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate
I love kicking ass and always expecting to tune in to see us ahead!
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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah really a soft pop-up
somehow it just sailed beyond his reach. It was fun to watch Bronson surprise them
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a pop up!
I was expecting another one of those bases clearing doubles from Votto. The night is young though.
Bruce is looking much better at the plate. That’s very encouraging.
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz is walking everyone
I don’t think anyone should have taken swings last inning!
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they see me Rolen
they hatin.
Reminds of the Griffey days of 2007 working at the ballpark and hearing that song come on everytime he came to bat.
Can you imagine Jr. “ridin dirty?”
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if nix cant hit old man smoltz....
he has no business on this team..
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess he can stay...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quietest home crowd ever for a GS
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're tired....
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet in here, too.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GS?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grand slam. I'm an idiot.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grand Slam
We’re destroyin’ them
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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we know where all the runs in July ended up
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grand slam Layyyyyynce Nix
where’s Mads?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
must be bowling night..
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just turned on mlb.tv...
is it foggy inside the stadium or what?
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by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
smoke from the fireworks !
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by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fireworks from the Nix GS
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what's going on with Smoltz?!?
we might see a brawl tonight.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You might think that the FSO guys could send someone down
to the dugout to find out WTF is going on…
But apparently you’d be wrong.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess someone from the reds dugout had the ump check a ball..
and smoltz took offense
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what I missed
did they have someone go out and ask the ump to check the ball?
so why does smoltz keep rejecting the baseballs?
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just noticed that he ones he was throwing back to the dugout
were being examined by Cueto—this is surreal
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened?
Did he try to get in someone’s face?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he chucked one into the reds dugout.. or so i heard..
didn’t see it either
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping they would replay that
but they didn’t, after that he just kept tossing baseballs over there
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
That’s pretty bratty behavior for a guy as old as he is.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something really weird is going on
After Stubbs stole second, he just kept staring in our dugout. A brawl would not be in their best interests—especially with Daynce Mix on out team.
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mix nothing.... we got Gomes !!!
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then again, brawls are awesome!
by thevole on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
they showed Dusty holding up three fingers
as he walked off the mound. Smoltz nodded.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the third fuckin inning .... ha ha ha!
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty -
“its the third fucking inning”
nice
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lip read
I’m pretty sure, smoltz was jawing to the dugout after staring down dusty after Stubbs’ SB
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got ya
Smoltz was asking why they were tacking on runs? Dusty is right!
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tacking on runs?
It’s still early in the game. The lead is far from insurmountable.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I thought
especially when we are facing Pujols, we can’t let this thing get within a grand slam
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what Homer Bailey's for
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he held up three fingers and said that to smoltz
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have held up one finger
If you know what I mean.
by thevole on Sep 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd !
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy cow
Only 3 innings, but I’m already thinking Laynce Nix is Player of the Gayme.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you can' top a GS
unless you hit a GS yourself, or make some game saving grabs and drive in 4 runs
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nix was 13 when Smoltz beat the Reds in the NLCS in 95
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Wohlers got the win that night not Smoltz
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds were up 1-0 going into the 9th
after 8 shutout innings from Pete Schoureck
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Cowboy let one in the 9th
so unclutch.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
That’s kind of poetic, in a way.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, then they lost in 11, 2-1
Mike Jackson gave up the game winning run.
It was game one of a horrible series, kind of the inversion of ’90, the anti-eric way to start a playoff series.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember watching the series and being sad.
the details though I am getting from baseball reference.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trying to forget that...
I can still see Sanders striking out for the umteenth time
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was 8
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFLAC
Stubbs
PR 4192
Larkin?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tHom agrees with you...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think Lark is right
Gary Redus?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome Walton
..don’t remember him
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
won ROY with cubs in the late eighties
spent one season with the reds, IIRC. didnt have a lot of pop.
i never would have guessed him.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember him as a cubbie...
just not as a Red
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P. Janish Mays
with the over the shoulder catch
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be ok if dusty wouldn't insist he hit second
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a labored reference to Major League
For the record I want him as the OD SS next year.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see the final statistics
of all the 162 games..how many did the CF lead off, SS hit second, and catcher hit eighth ???
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Janish has 20 doubles
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't answer my question...
I’m all for Janish being the starting SS..just bat him 7th or 8th
but of course that would break dusty’s line up construction mold
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Rice U. releases a media guide each year, with alumni records. The top ten in each category. The only list Janish is on is doubles in a season.
Perhaps because he doesn’t have the power of a Lance Berkman or the speed of a Bubba Crosby?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you get the Rice Media Guide?
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They post it online on their Web site
Like the Reds do theirs.
The Yankees, OTOH, sell theirs in dead tree form only. :-P
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tree grows in Brooklyn
Because they cut the one down in the Bronx to make the Yankees media guide.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not exactly sure how to break it down by position,
but bb-ref does it by player:
Leadoff: Wee Willy – 81; Stubbs – 33; Dickerson – 29 (basically, CF always leads off)
2nd: Hairston – 55; Janish – 31; Dickerson – 19 (mix of SS and OF, surprised that Sea Bass wasn’t in the top 3)
8th: Hanigan – 46; Janish – 26; Sea Bass – 26 (SS appears here more than I thought)
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how'd he get on third?
Teleport?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted no in the text poll
just because marty pissed off is funny
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bronson is on tonight
getting hits, striking people out—and th hair looks amazing
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yanish with a double
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Reds move Arroyo in a salary dump this offseason
im wicked pissed.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really?
no one else on the club has over 170 IP. and bronson has 200+ for the, what, 3rd straight season?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would depend on the return
Ive always been in the trade arroyo camp, but w/o volquez I think it would be hard for me to do it now. plus you’re right, he’s been extremely dependable throughout his career.
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the main question would be
who do you replace him with, maybe when leake is ready I think about it
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he on contract for 2011?
I could see trading him after next season if Volquez comes back healthy, Harang comes back healthy, and Bailey, Cueto, Maloney, Wood all impress.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so most likely there's a buyout then
unless 2 dudes from that above group don’t work out (Harang is on for 2011, option for ’12, correct?)
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, both Arroyo and Harang are on team options for '11
Which was smart in retrospect. If they’re still going strong and if we have a chance to contend, then we should pick them both up. Or choose one of them.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from cots:
Aaron Harang rhp
4 years/$36.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
* 4 years/$36.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
o re-signed by Cincinnati 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $5.5M-$4.25M)
o 07:$4.25M, 08:$6.75M, 09:$11M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout)
o 2011 option increases to $13M with 210 IP in 2010
o if traded, 2011 option becomes mutual option at $14M ($2.5M buyout)
that last part is something I didn’t know, hurts his trade value a little
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if he gets traded next year
and if he’s getting traded, it’d be because he’s good. And because of strained logic, good Harang = good Reds. Like it did 05-07.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has major value as a league average hurler
there’s no question he’s the Reds most valuable pitcher this season. and he had never missed a start.
for 11 mil that’s a bargain.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he do that for two more years?
or does age get to him? depends on what other rotation options you have and what other team needs there are that you could use the money for
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fangraphs has arroyo valued at 6 mil this year
but I think that is underated due to such a weird pitcher Arroyo is.
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what stats do they use to value their players?
It sure as hell ain’t wins, but I’m curious what it is. Very few players are roundly loved by all statistics that are cooked up.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst. stat. ever.
a 15 win, 220 IP pitcher (for a losing club) is worth much more than 6 mil.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
# of quality starts
I think is huge
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
i think we are forgetting just how unforgivably awful he was in his Badroyo phase. remember, he had an ERA around 6.00 at the All-Star break.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Time Charlie!
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's definitely valuable
But I think this is as good as he gets. He’ll be 33 next year and his K rate decrease scares me. If we had something to play for next year, I’d be more inclined to keep him.
Then again, there’s nothing to say we’ll use the savings wisely and won’t blow it on Bob’s Banana Stand.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Especially in a small park like GABP.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K rate is a great indicator overall
but some folks are exceptions.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Tim Wakefield is an exception
As is a prolific groundballer (which Bronson is not; the high HR rates also scare me). I don’t consider Arroyo an exception.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.271 babip, versus .321 last year
I don’t think that’s sustainable. He’s gotten a few more ground balls this year but he’s also stranded a lot more runners.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the teams improved defense has helped that
but I agree I doubt that babip is sustainable
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so who takes his spot next season?
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
roy halladay
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
many people say that the K and the BB are the only things the pitcher really has control over
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
balls and strikes
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitch and catch
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stretch and the windup
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cup and strap
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo is the only dependable starter we have
besides the great Homer Bailey
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too...
if he ever puts a first half like his second half we’ve got a cy young candidate
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy who?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 quality starts
23- Arroyo
14 – Harang, Cueto
no one else hit double digits. i say Bronson is untouchable.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets just hope his carpel tunnel is not a problem in the off season and going into 2010
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 straight 200 IP seasons for the Reds
3.29 ERA
4.23 ERA
4.77 ERA
3.95 ERA (before tonight)
pitching, pitching, pitching.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitcher's like Bronson shouldn't be untouchable
I wouldn’t be shopping him around, but if Bronson is what it takes to get JJ Hardy or Yunel Escobar (for instance), Walt should definitely be listening. Now is not the time to overvalue somebody because of 16 starts.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im liking Janish as SS next season
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Pagnozzi?
St. Louis really keeps it in the family.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rip Zeile and Jackson Gilkey are coming up the pipes
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronson is gassed
Dusty will get hell for pulling him in the ninth, but no way Arroyo leaves the mound in a “blowout” if he isnt tired.
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Dusty go out to visit him, or did he just pull him?
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
talked to him for a bit first
he probably let on that he was getting tired
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can all argue whether his performance is sustainable
but i think we can all agree that arroyo has had an amazing end to the season. that standing O was well-deserved
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what was his final line?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hasnt given up more than 3 runs in more than 2 months
12 starts. 8.1 IP, one run, 4 hits, 1 BB, 6 Ks tonight.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo and Bailey
then pray for hail-y
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey and Arroyo
and pray for Hard Working Eddie
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bronson, save some strength for the boat...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Detroit's up 7-2
Minny’s done this year.
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for shame
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
every year i root for minny to win in the AL ... just a good spirited team
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lazy turn on double play, too late
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a little lazy on the DP turn
and the runner barely beat it out. I was over it a second after it happened
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasnt that bad
bp didnt lax it
"I have found me a home"
by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
but it’s not really that big a deal, especially in the way thom put it
by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy named after a cheese
has a goofy Gameday pic.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what does Rosales taste like?
I’ve never heard of it.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of a girl do you think I am?
Pervert!
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if Rosales had gone to Rice
Different story!
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pride of Western Michigan University?
They wouldn’t let him in.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
over at mlbtraderumors it says that the reds would be a good spot for ankiel ...
i’ll take gomes thank you
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes they have no idea what they are talking about
by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't mlbtraderumors, it was some strauss from the StL Post Dispatch
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Janish and Ankiel are ideal 15th and 16th inning relievers
by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always wondered what would happen if the stuck him on the mound ....
… i;m guessing he’d go into shell shock
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if dave duncan couldn't fix him..nobody could...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gullet?
I mean, why the fuck not?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
traderumors also says Jeremy Hermida could be non-tendered by the Marlins
i cant really tell the difference between him and Ankiel, so why not go for the cheaper one, all else being equal?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tying run's on deck
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was wicked.
Nice K pitch, Nick!
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whoops..those were supposed to be florida flags
madvill’d
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
i marvel at your devotion to the chimp
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like other things too....
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it spring training yet?
i’m gonna miss this team in about a week
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
s'goin on, bitches
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the second half of the double header is about to start
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toddlers and Tiaras here
you?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meat Loaf
was on “Ghost Hunters” tonight.
Gawd, he looks old.
A ghost moved his water bottle from the window sill to the toilet. He was thrilled to pieces.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasnt a real ghost
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One day
after the show is canceled, I expect the camera crews to admit they set up the supposed “evidence” of hauntings. Or let the TAPS crew do it. I think Grant is a hoaxer.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think anyone who claims to see ghosts is a hoaxer
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't really claim to see ghosts
They do things like film furniture moving by itself, objects flying across the room, etc.
I was really impressed at first, but then I started noticing how often Grant is involved in those incidents. I gotta wonder if he’s doing things with monofilament.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen a UFO?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds infinitely more thrilling
sometimes i wonder why i got married.
happy anniversary to me.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm...
It’s your anniversary? And you’re hanging out online with a bunch of Reds nerds, while she’s watching Toddlers and Tiaras?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bummer
Swine flu?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
i wish it was that easy
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meat Loaf is apparently a Yankees fan
They showed a photo of him performing when they introduced him. He was playing a pinstriped electric guitar, with the “NY” Yankees logo on it.
And here I thought he was just a foot fairy.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
watching my brother's alma mater
beating up on Hawai’i
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DCU beat San Juan Jabloteh 5-1
United now has a three game winning streak in Champions League, and is in a good spot to progress to the quarterfinals. More importantly, I’m trying to determine if Glory Days’s offer of ten free wings when United scores four or more goals applies to Champions League games.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea Masset !!
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Masset
demonstrates why “tacking on runs” is not a bad idea if your lead is only six runs.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the third fucking inning!
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup and we didn't score any more !
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tacking on runs is a REALLY good idea in the third inning
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i use to wait til the third inning to score all my runs
but i think the fourth inning is kind of money
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smotlz is a punk
I saw him on the postgame, and he was saying those were the worst baseballs he ever pitched with. Bronson used the same ones, so I can only infer that Bronson would have had a perfect game otherwise.
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta be kidding me
He was complaining about the baseballs?
What, does he think the Reds have a secret humidor?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Bronson has a secret humidor
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You got any balls down there?"
“Only the biggest pair you ever seen, dingleberry!”
by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
adam dunn is in trouble
he’s only got 4 games to get to 40 home runs, which would make his sixth straight with at least 40 and his fifth straight with exactly 40. im guessing the latter’s never happened
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think jim day just called for dusty's ouster
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he said
that considering that rick sweet’s a great manager and that he’s been around most of the guys on the team, he’d be a good manager for the reds
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure he wasn't just trying to pick sweet up in the stands?
he’s good at that
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Jennings, the Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees blogger
is moving up to take over Peter Abraham’s Yankees blog (with Pete going to the Boston Globe to blog the Sox). Jennings said he thinks Dave Miley deserves to move up to the big leagues more than anyone (himself included).
Not sure if Miley can handle the political aspects of the job, though. NY is a lot worse than Cincinnati in that respect.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miley was a great minor league manager..
but the superstars ate him for lunch…not a good match for NYY
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like he would be an excellent manager for a young team without many stars
you know a team that has recently unloaded most of its superstars, and the big names they have are rather unassuming characters. I wonder what team that would be?
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Oct 1, 2009 1:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
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The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Oct 1, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
john smoltz and tony la russa are dicks
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
but Dave Duncan would be a great addition for the Reds.
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the probability of Wells
besting Carpenter? Stranger things have happend. I’m very greedy now. I’m not satisfied with series’ wins anymore.
Tonight was nice—Votto breaks club doubles record, Bronson pitches a beautiful game, Nix hits a grand slam and Larussa acts like a whiner afterward. I think we humiliated the Cards.
by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
much like john wall
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well gang back from bowlng
We swept tonight and Mads led the team to victory…
Bronson looked good (they had the game on at the lanes)
But my boy Laynce showed why he would hard not to keep as a bench guy….No?
Nice line up tonight Dusty..not a great Batting Order, but hey it worked out.
Drew Stubbs cf
Paul Janish ss – The weakest offensive link
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Laynce Nix lf – Jonny Gomes for 2010
Ryan Hanigan c – Nice to see Haniganshenanigan-Man get a hit
Bronson Arroyo p
Sorry I missed the thread…but hey some of us are active athletes….
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was reading some SBN blog and there was a rosterbation discussion and they wanted to send an outfielder to the Reds. Among the reasons were Nix is dreadful and Stubbs isn’t major league material. I decided not to venture into that discussion.
by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who did they want in return?
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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me peek in my history and see if I can find it.
by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at athleticsnation discussing trading CF Rajai Davis
The Reds have used a lot of Chris Dickerson this season, but his numbers look even more regression-prone than Davis’s do, and a lot of Laynce Nix, who’s just terrible. They also have a bunch of real, live third base prospects, like Todd Frazier.
The Reds seem like the most promising candidate. They have a clear need in the outfield, since they don’t really even have two acceptable starters out there right now, and a surplus of talent at a position where the A’s have a shortage.
by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Frazier for Rajai Davis?
Definitely a good trade!
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