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Game 158 Thread: Cardinals at Reds

St. Louis Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds, Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT



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St. Louis Cardinals
@ Cincinnati Reds

Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009, 7:10 PM EDT
Great American Ball Park

John Smoltz vs Bronson Arroyo

Clear. Winds blowing out to right field at 10-15 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 60.

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - John Smoltz 1-2 3.18 1.00 37 4




W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Bronson Arroyo 14-13 3.95 1.29 121 64


This will likely be Bronson Arroyo's last start of the season. His last chance to bring home 15 wins for the second straight year.  If he manages to do it, he'll be only the fifth Reds pitcher in the last 30 years to win 15 games in two different seasons (can you name the other 4?).  If he can keep his ERA under 4.00, it'll be the second time he's managed that in a full season in his career, the other time being 2006.  It's been a pretty good year for Arroyo.  Hopefully he'll end it on a positive note.

In his last 5 starts against the Reds, John Smoltz has a 2.19 ERA.  Then again, of his last 5 starts against the Reds, the last one was in 2007, 2 were in 2006, one was in 2005, and one was in 1999.  Not surprisingly, only 6 Reds have previously faced Smoltz, and only Scott Rolen (38 PA -.265/.316/.500) and Willy Taveras (13 PA - .167/.231/.250) have faced him more than 6 times.  Don't fret, Taveras is not in the lineup tonight as Drew Stubbs is leading off and in center field. 

Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, and Jay Bruce are in the lineup though.  The three have combined to hit .393/.455/.714 since Bruce came off of the DL on September 14th.  If they had just done that all season, the Reds would be in a much better spot than they are now, that's for sure.

Instead, they are 2 games out of 3rd place, which isn't much of a goal at the start of the season but would be a pleasant accomplishment given how bad things looked three weeks in to August.  The Brewers are currently in 3rd place and are in the middle of a series with the Colorado Rockies, who are trying to clinch a playoff spot.  Third place can be had, but the Reds have to keep winning.  That means tonight.

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I'm first

and tired.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Pop Quiz while we're waiting for game time

Of the 30 current professional baseball teams, how many have a franchise W-L % above .500?

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

12

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

13

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

14

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

11

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct!

There are 11 teams with a “career” winning record. The Diamondbacks are four games away from making it 12 though.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew it!!111111111

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna have people try to name the teams, but they're pretty much the usual suspects

1. Yankees
2. Giants
3. Dodgers
4. Cardinals
5. Red Sox
6. Cubs
7. Indians
8. Reds
9. White Sox
10. Tigers
11. Pirates

Strangely, both Chicago teams are winners.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's the lineup, for those who(m) are wondering

Drew Stubbs cf
Paul Janish ss
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Laynce Nix lf
Ryan Hanigan c
Bronson Arroyo p

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Not bad

I’d like to see Gomes, but that’s my only gripe. Laynce Nix probably shouldn’t be on the team next year, but he’s been far from terrible. He’s pretty handy with the glove and third on the team in doubles.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta get all 7 outfielders some time this week

just like spring training, you know? boy, now that i think about it, this is kind of a good idea. why didnt we think of this before?

/gunshot, thump

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Really dead here tonight.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

crickets

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

just got home

no way i miss Bronson’s last start of the season.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

RBI opportunity for Hanigan

How come we have no good nickname for Hanigan?

by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

And he comes through.

He’s totally un-clutch. Definitely no MVP.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hananigans

Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,

by 'tHan on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killians?

The Irish Red?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone commented on Wedge's firing?

Why don’t we get to fire our manager, too? :-(

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Wedge that bad of a manager?

I always liked him, even when Peralta was the SS. My Indians friends never had any gripes, atl east.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad luck'd

Seriously, I thought Wedge was a good manager who was cursed with bad players at the beginning of his tenure and bad injuries at the end.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

also: what did Bronson's single look like?

Really a “soft pop-up to secondbaseman” or was it one of those outfield dying quails?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't hate

I love kicking ass and always expecting to tune in to see us ahead!

RR: Proud home of the most mods in SBNation.

by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah really a soft pop-up

somehow it just sailed beyond his reach. It was fun to watch Bronson surprise them

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a pop up!

I was expecting another one of those bases clearing doubles from Votto. The night is young though.

Bruce is looking much better at the plate. That’s very encouraging.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Smoltz is walking everyone

I don’t think anyone should have taken swings last inning!

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

they see me Rolen

they hatin.

Reminds of the Griffey days of 2007 working at the ballpark and hearing that song come on everytime he came to bat.

Can you imagine Jr. “ridin dirty?”

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

if nix cant hit old man smoltz....

he has no business on this team..

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Quiet in here, too.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

GS?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

grand slam. I'm an idiot.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grand Slam

We’re destroyin’ them

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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

now we know where all the runs in July ended up

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what's going on with Smoltz?!?

we might see a brawl tonight.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

You might think that the FSO guys could send someone down

to the dugout to find out WTF is going on…

But apparently you’d be wrong.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what I missed

did they have someone go out and ask the ump to check the ball?

so why does smoltz keep rejecting the baseballs?

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

what happened?

Did he try to get in someone’s face?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was hoping they would replay that

but they didn’t, after that he just kept tossing baseballs over there

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF?

That’s pretty bratty behavior for a guy as old as he is.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

something really weird is going on

After Stubbs stole second, he just kept staring in our dugout. A brawl would not be in their best interests—especially with Daynce Mix on out team.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

its the third fuckin inning .... ha ha ha!

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Dusty -

“its the third fucking inning”

nice

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

lip read

I’m pretty sure, smoltz was jawing to the dugout after staring down dusty after Stubbs’ SB

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

got ya

Smoltz was asking why they were tacking on runs? Dusty is right!

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

smoltz just looks frustrated, but I completely agree, stubbs running there is a text-book situational move

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

tacking on runs?

It’s still early in the game. The lead is far from insurmountable.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I thought

especially when we are facing Pujols, we can’t let this thing get within a grand slam

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what Homer Bailey's for

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy cow

Only 3 innings, but I’m already thinking Laynce Nix is Player of the Gayme.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, you can' top a GS

unless you hit a GS yourself, or make some game saving grabs and drive in 4 runs

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds were up 1-0 going into the 9th

after 8 shutout innings from Pete Schoureck

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

That’s kind of poetic, in a way.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, then they lost in 11, 2-1

Mike Jackson gave up the game winning run.

It was game one of a horrible series, kind of the inversion of ’90, the anti-eric way to start a playoff series.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember watching the series and being sad.

the details though I am getting from baseball reference.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

trying to forget that...

I can still see Sanders striking out for the umteenth time

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was 8

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Oct 1, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

AFLAC

Stubbs

PR 4192

Larkin?

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont think Lark is right

Gary Redus?

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerome Walton

..don’t remember him

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

won ROY with cubs in the late eighties

spent one season with the reds, IIRC. didnt have a lot of pop.

i never would have guessed him.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember him as a cubbie...

just not as a Red

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

P. Janish Mays

with the over the shoulder catch

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I would like to see the final statistics

of all the 162 games..how many did the CF lead off, SS hit second, and catcher hit eighth ???

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

that doesn't answer my question...

I’m all for Janish being the starting SS..just bat him 7th or 8th

but of course that would break dusty’s line up construction mold

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Rice U. releases a media guide each year, with alumni records. The top ten in each category. The only list Janish is on is doubles in a season.

Perhaps because he doesn’t have the power of a Lance Berkman or the speed of a Bubba Crosby?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They post it online on their Web site

Like the Reds do theirs.

The Yankees, OTOH, sell theirs in dead tree form only. :-P

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

A tree grows in Brooklyn

Because they cut the one down in the Bronx to make the Yankees media guide.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not exactly sure how to break it down by position,

but bb-ref does it by player:

Leadoff: Wee Willy – 81; Stubbs – 33; Dickerson – 29 (basically, CF always leads off)

2nd: Hairston – 55; Janish – 31; Dickerson – 19 (mix of SS and OF, surprised that Sea Bass wasn’t in the top 3)

8th: Hanigan – 46; Janish – 26; Sea Bass – 26 (SS appears here more than I thought)

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bronson is on tonight

getting hits, striking people out—and th hair looks amazing

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

really?

no one else on the club has over 170 IP. and bronson has 200+ for the, what, 3rd straight season?

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would depend on the return

Ive always been in the trade arroyo camp, but w/o volquez I think it would be hard for me to do it now. plus you’re right, he’s been extremely dependable throughout his career.

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

the main question would be

who do you replace him with, maybe when leake is ready I think about it

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he on contract for 2011?

I could see trading him after next season if Volquez comes back healthy, Harang comes back healthy, and Bailey, Cueto, Maloney, Wood all impress.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm....

not sure I pick that up

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

so most likely there's a buyout then

unless 2 dudes from that above group don’t work out (Harang is on for 2011, option for ’12, correct?)

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, both Arroyo and Harang are on team options for '11

Which was smart in retrospect. If they’re still going strong and if we have a chance to contend, then we should pick them both up. Or choose one of them.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

from cots:

Aaron Harang rhp
4 years/$36.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option

    * 4 years/$36.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
          o re-signed by Cincinnati 2/07 (avoided arbitration, $5.5M-$4.25M)
          o 07:$4.25M, 08:$6.75M, 09:$11M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout)
          o 2011 option increases to $13M with 210 IP in 2010
          o if traded, 2011 option becomes mutual option at $14M ($2.5M buyout)

that last part is something I didn’t know, hurts his trade value a little

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

only if he gets traded next year

and if he’s getting traded, it’d be because he’s good. And because of strained logic, good Harang = good Reds. Like it did 05-07.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has major value as a league average hurler

there’s no question he’s the Reds most valuable pitcher this season. and he had never missed a start.

for 11 mil that’s a bargain.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

does he do that for two more years?

or does age get to him? depends on what other rotation options you have and what other team needs there are that you could use the money for

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

fangraphs has arroyo valued at 6 mil this year

but I think that is underated due to such a weird pitcher Arroyo is.

by Dave from Louisville on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

what stats do they use to value their players?

It sure as hell ain’t wins, but I’m curious what it is. Very few players are roundly loved by all statistics that are cooked up.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

worst. stat. ever.

a 15 win, 220 IP pitcher (for a losing club) is worth much more than 6 mil.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

WAR for pitchers is whack. I think it’s based on FIP or tRA, which is an ERA approximation based on peripherals. That’s fine if you’re looking to predict future value but is a shit way of gauging actual value.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont know

i think we are forgetting just how unforgivably awful he was in his Badroyo phase. remember, he had an ERA around 6.00 at the All-Star break.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Time Charlie!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's definitely valuable

But I think this is as good as he gets. He’ll be 33 next year and his K rate decrease scares me. If we had something to play for next year, I’d be more inclined to keep him.

Then again, there’s nothing to say we’ll use the savings wisely and won’t blow it on Bob’s Banana Stand.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Especially in a small park like GABP.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

K rate is a great indicator overall

but some folks are exceptions.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, Tim Wakefield is an exception

As is a prolific groundballer (which Bronson is not; the high HR rates also scare me). I don’t consider Arroyo an exception.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.26 whip

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

.271 babip, versus .321 last year

I don’t think that’s sustainable. He’s gotten a few more ground balls this year but he’s also stranded a lot more runners.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch and catch

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

stretch and the windup

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

cup and strap

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too...

if he ever puts a first half like his second half we’ve got a cy young candidate

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cy who?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cy Pres

Eh, you probably won’t take Trust & Estates till next year.

by ken on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009 quality starts

23- Arroyo

14 – Harang, Cueto

no one else hit double digits. i say Bronson is untouchable.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

4 straight 200 IP seasons for the Reds

3.29 ERA
4.23 ERA
4.77 ERA
3.95 ERA (before tonight)

pitching, pitching, pitching.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitcher's like Bronson shouldn't be untouchable

I wouldn’t be shopping him around, but if Bronson is what it takes to get JJ Hardy or Yunel Escobar (for instance), Walt should definitely be listening. Now is not the time to overvalue somebody because of 16 starts.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Oct 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

unreal

ive never seen RH batters beat out routine grounders like Drew. im impressed.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bronson is gassed

Dusty will get hell for pulling him in the ninth, but no way Arroyo leaves the mound in a “blowout” if he isnt tired.

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

we can all argue whether his performance is sustainable

but i think we can all agree that arroyo has had an amazing end to the season. that standing O was well-deserved

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

what was his final line?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

hasnt given up more than 3 runs in more than 2 months

12 starts. 8.1 IP, one run, 4 hits, 1 BB, 6 Ks tonight.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arroyo and Bailey

then pray for hail-y

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey and Arroyo

and pray for Hard Working Eddie

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

for shame

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

every year i root for minny to win in the AL ... just a good spirited team

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasnt that bad

bp didnt lax it

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

but it’s not really that big a deal, especially in the way thom put it

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy named after a cheese

has a goofy Gameday pic.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

what does Rosales taste like?

I’ve never heard of it.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of a girl do you think I am?

Pervert!

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pride of Western Michigan University?

They wouldn’t let him in.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

over at mlbtraderumors it says that the reds would be a good spot for ankiel ...

i’ll take gomes thank you

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah

I have no desire to aquire ankiel

by sharks on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i always wondered what would happen if the stuck him on the mound ....

 … i;m guessing he’d go into shell shock

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gullet?

I mean, why the fuck not?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

traderumors also says Jeremy Hermida could be non-tendered by the Marlins

i cant really tell the difference between him and Ankiel, so why not go for the cheaper one, all else being equal?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

tying run's on deck

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

cmon masset

"I have found me a home"

by obc2 on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nighty!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

That was wicked.

Nice K pitch, Nick!

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

again

i marvel at your devotion to the chimp

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it spring training yet?

i’m gonna miss this team in about a week

"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay

by joshuar9476 on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

s'goin on, bitches

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Meat Loaf

was on “Ghost Hunters” tonight.

Gawd, he looks old.

A ghost moved his water bottle from the window sill to the toilet. He was thrilled to pieces.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasnt a real ghost

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

One day

after the show is canceled, I expect the camera crews to admit they set up the supposed “evidence” of hauntings. Or let the TAPS crew do it. I think Grant is a hoaxer.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't really claim to see ghosts

They do things like film furniture moving by itself, objects flying across the room, etc.

I was really impressed at first, but then I started noticing how often Grant is involved in those incidents. I gotta wonder if he’s doing things with monofilament.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that sounds infinitely more thrilling

sometimes i wonder why i got married.

happy anniversary to me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummmm...

It’s your anniversary? And you’re hanging out online with a bunch of Reds nerds, while she’s watching Toddlers and Tiaras?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

bummer

Swine flu?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meat Loaf is apparently a Yankees fan

They showed a photo of him performing when they introduced him. He was playing a pinstriped electric guitar, with the “NY” Yankees logo on it.

And here I thought he was just a foot fairy.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

watching my brother's alma mater

beating up on Hawai’i

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

DCU beat San Juan Jabloteh 5-1

United now has a three game winning streak in Champions League, and is in a good spot to progress to the quarterfinals. More importantly, I’m trying to determine if Glory Days’s offer of ten free wings when United scores four or more goals applies to Champions League games.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Masset

demonstrates why “tacking on runs” is not a bad idea if your lead is only six runs.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the third fucking inning!

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i use to wait til the third inning to score all my runs

but i think the fourth inning is kind of money

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Smotlz is a punk

I saw him on the postgame, and he was saying those were the worst baseballs he ever pitched with. Bronson used the same ones, so I can only infer that Bronson would have had a perfect game otherwise.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you gotta be kidding me

He was complaining about the baseballs?

What, does he think the Reds have a secret humidor?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Bronson has a secret humidor

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i’d like to pilfer it

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You got any balls down there?"

“Only the biggest pair you ever seen, dingleberry!”

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

adam dunn is in trouble

he’s only got 4 games to get to 40 home runs, which would make his sixth straight with at least 40 and his fifth straight with exactly 40. im guessing the latter’s never happened

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

he said

that considering that rick sweet’s a great manager and that he’s been around most of the guys on the team, he’d be a good manager for the reds

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure he wasn't just trying to pick sweet up in the stands?

he’s good at that

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chad Jennings, the Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees blogger

is moving up to take over Peter Abraham’s Yankees blog (with Pete going to the Boston Globe to blog the Sox). Jennings said he thinks Dave Miley deserves to move up to the big leagues more than anyone (himself included).

Not sure if Miley can handle the political aspects of the job, though. NY is a lot worse than Cincinnati in that respect.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miley was a great minor league manager..

but the superstars ate him for lunch…not a good match for NYY

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like he would be an excellent manager for a young team without many stars

you know a team that has recently unloaded most of its superstars, and the big names they have are rather unassuming characters. I wonder what team that would be?

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Oct 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

but Dave Duncan would be a great addition for the Reds.

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRussa→John Holmes

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the probability of Wells

besting Carpenter? Stranger things have happend. I’m very greedy now. I’m not satisfied with series’ wins anymore.

Tonight was nice—Votto breaks club doubles record, Bronson pitches a beautiful game, Nix hits a grand slam and Larussa acts like a whiner afterward. I think we humiliated the Cards.

by Red_Poodle on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

much like john wall

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well gang back from bowlng

We swept tonight and Mads led the team to victory…

Bronson looked good (they had the game on at the lanes)
But my boy Laynce showed why he would hard not to keep as a bench guy….No?

Nice line up tonight Dusty..not a great Batting Order, but hey it worked out.

Drew Stubbs cf
Paul Janish ss – The weakest offensive link
Joey Votto 1b
Brandon Phillips 2b
Scott Rolen 3b
Jay Bruce rf
Laynce Nix lf – Jonny Gomes for 2010
Ryan Hanigan c – Nice to see Haniganshenanigan-Man get a hit
Bronson Arroyo p

Sorry I missed the thread…but hey some of us are active athletes….

Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....

by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I was reading some SBN blog and there was a rosterbation discussion and they wanted to send an outfielder to the Reds. Among the reasons were Nix is dreadful and Stubbs isn’t major league material. I decided not to venture into that discussion.

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

who did they want in return?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me peek in my history and see if I can find it.

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

at athleticsnation discussing trading CF Rajai Davis

The Reds have used a lot of Chris Dickerson this season, but his numbers look even more regression-prone than Davis’s do, and a lot of Laynce Nix, who’s just terrible. They also have a bunch of real, live third base prospects, like Todd Frazier.

The Reds seem like the most promising candidate. They have a clear need in the outfield, since they don’t really even have two acceptable starters out there right now, and a surplus of talent at a position where the A’s have a shortage.

by ol Pete on Sep 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Todd Frazier for Rajai Davis?

Definitely a good trade!

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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