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Willy Taveras wins this year's award for Reds Poster Child for Front Office Waste and Terrible Talent Evaluation.  Just like Corey Patterson, Mike Stanton, and Eric Milton before him, his name will be etched inside a urinal in the bathroom across from the Big Red Machine mural at GABP.

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Willy Taveras wins this year's award for Reds Poster Child for Front Office Waste and Terrible Talent Evaluation. Just like Corey Patterson, Mike Stanton, and Eric Milton before him, his name will be etched inside a urinal in the bathroom across from the Big Red Machine mural at GABP.

  • Doc wants Bud Selig to come to Cincy this weekend to catch the Reds-Pirates series
    "I still think the basic tenets we have in place will lead to the best competitive balance we’ve ever had,’’ decided Selig. "I’m very comfortable where we are." Doc takes exception. He says the 27 combined years of losing that will be on the field this weekend should be a wake-up call. Banana Bob is not happy either, "It is not a good business model,’’ Reds CEO Bob Castellini said Tuesday. "There has to be movement toward more economic parity.’’ Castellini suggested Selig "etch those two sentences in stone.’’

    Doc suggests baseball adopt the socialism (gasp!) of the NFL, where he says economic parity isone of the bulwarks of it's popularity. He suggests the Reds could be smarter, hiring better scouts and doing better in the draft and international free agent market. But that takes cash too, with big-money draft picks and Dominican prodigies.

    I have a BIG problem with this crap. Since I'm a "saber-dork", I'll throw a few numbers at you: $46 mil, $6.25 mil, $3 mil, $4 mil, $14 mil, $10.5 mil, Mike Stanton. These are the contracts, in total dollar amounts (from Cot's), that the Reds have handed out over the past few years to Francisco Cordero, Willy Taveras, Corey Patterson, Mike Lincoln, Alex Gonzalez, Dusty Baker, and Mike Stanton. That is $83.75 million (plus Mike Stanton), enough to pay for this year's team and then some (this year's payroll is around $73 mil).

    These people have either done very little to help the team win or have directly caused the team to lose. This is money being wasted by a front office that hasnt done a very good job evaluating talent. And this is just a few free agents I cherry-picked to make a point. I could go on and on. 

    It infuriates me that this team (and it's defenders) have continually picked bad players to run onto the field, watched these players fail, and then blamed that failure on a broken system that doesnt provide them enough money. I'm just a bookstore manager who watches baseball for fun and I can figure this crap out. It's not difficult. Stop furrowing your brow at the Yankees. It's not their fault that you cant tell a bad ballplayer from a good one. They just have the extra cash to cover it up when they make that mistake.

    But what REALLY makes me angry is I'm not the first one to make this argument, and I wont be the last.  It's like shouting at the wind.

  • Chris Dickerson could return from the DL sometime this week
    He really doesnt want to end the season on the DL, and he's worked hard to get himself back into shape after spraining his ankle. He's been working out at Xavier and UC in hopes of making it back before the season ends. Dusty says if he does come back, he likely wont play the field.

  • Here's what Homer Bailey had to say about facing down Albert Pujols with the bases loaded
    "It’s not something you want to do every day," Bailey said "You just look at the glove and throw it as hard as you can. When I saw Willy get under it, it was a sigh of relief."

  • Here's your daily helping of "Tiresome Things Dusty Says/Does", sponsored by Pops Daniels
    "The last week is going to be interesting, a straight tryout, like spring training." — Outfielder Jonny Gomes on manager Dusty Baker’s plan to use all seven outfielders during the last week.

  • Dugout Central asks if Dusty is really the Pitcher Abuser his reputation says he is
    They look at every starter Dusty had for an extended period of time with both the Giants and the Cubs and determine that though he probably overused a few guys (Zambrano, Prior, and Wood among them), his use of Edinson Volquez last season was very reasonable. It's a strange read, as they seem to lay all the blame on Dusty for causing the injuries to 6 of the 37 pitchers they looked at (like number of pitches thrown directly causes major injury), but then give him credit for not abusing Volquez.  So apparently he's abused a few pitchers in the past and ruined their careers, but Volquez is not one of those guys.

  • Redleg Nation Radio talks with Joe Posnanski about "The Machine"

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Seven outfielders?

At one time? If the pitchers can keep the ball in the park, the Reds could throw a week’s worth of no hitters! This is almost as innovative as the high five!

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's my favorite part on the improved defense:

"That’s what happens when you have different guys playing all time and you’re trying to figure out what the lineup is, guys in the and out of the lineup," said Baker. "Now we have a more consistent lineup."

I have no idea what the fuck that means. I’m tired.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’ve got a small problem with the players you mentioned. Cordero has atually been really good while we have had him. maybe the contrat was too big but he has done as good as any closer out there. thats a tough role and he’s done pretty well. definitely not causing our losing season. i mostly agree with the others though. Alex Gonzalez played deecent when he was healty or not dealing with family issues. he never was much of a hitter.

by madscientist76 on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The closer role and the "save" itself

are ludicrously overrated. I call shenanigans on the mythical “increased pressure of those final outs.” Nick Masset would do fine in that role for a fraction of the cost. Yes, Cordero has been good, but I will never be convinced that his money would not have been better spent in a more pressing area (SS or LF). But hey, that’s just me.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue with Cordero is two-fold

1. He is the highest paid closer not named Mariano Rivera. He better be good. But that doesn’t preclude him from being overpaid, which I think you agree with.

2. He is being paid that large contract by a team that has won 80 games just once in the last 9 years. The current closer model employed by most teams puts the most value for closers on teams who win a lot of games. By that definition, closers are the last piece of a puzzle, not a centerpiece of a team. He is being paid as the centerpiece of a team that is several pieces away from winning. Cordero’s performance is definitely helping the Reds be a better team, but I would argue that his contract is making it much harder for them to be a winning team.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I've really been enjoying Coco this season

The dude has been an absolute stud, and there has been no call for the use of the Soso Cordero nickname. I’ve been enjoying his season long climb up the All-Time Saves Leaders List. When the season began, he had 211 saves and was in 35th place, between Jeff Shaw and Dave Smith. Now, 39 saves later, he’s in 28th place, just two behind Dave Righetti. He’s put a little distance between himself and Francisco Rodriguez, but Joe Nathan is charging hard and nipping on his heels in 29th place.

Yeah, he’s probably overpaid and his contract’s a burden, but speaking strictly as a fan of good baseball players, it’s nice to see him pitching for our team.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also agree with that

but if the Reds can unload him and his contract and get a Low A player in return I’d be okay with it.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pop Quiz

Only three pitchers with more career saves than Cordero have also saved games this season. Can you name them?

(At least two of these should be super easy.)

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffman, Rivera, …..

Guardado?

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Sep 30, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Guardado’s nowhere close.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Sep 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffman, Rivera, and....

Billy Wagner maybe?

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 30, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Billy Wagner is ahead of Cordero (sixth all-time!), but has not recorded a save this year.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh you said "recorded a save"

i was thinking just having pitched. hrm.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huston Street?

if its not him, tell me it’s my main man Arthur Rhodes.

Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 30, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Colossus is just a straight set up guy

In 18 seasons, he only has 32 career saves.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smoltz has not recorded a save this year

He also only has 154 career saves, almost 100 fewer than Coco.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Percival?

People always asking, 'Uncle Jemima, why you sell booze?' I say 'sell whatchu know' and I knows about booze.

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Sep 30, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations!

It is Troy Percival who has saved six games for the Rays. He now has 358 saves and is 8th on the all-time leaderboard, ahead of Randy Myers.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is making 1/7th to 1/8th of the Reds current payroll

yet he is only pitching in 70 innings a year. That is money that could have gone to extend Dunn (not that they would have), or find a shortstop.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everyone else has already answered to this criticism

but i thought i would add this: according to FanGraphs WAR, Jonathan Broxton has been the most valuable relief pitcher so far this year, posting a 2.8 WAR. his performance has been worth around $12.8 million dollars to the Dodgers. Coco is making $12 mil this year, next, and in 2011, and his WAR this year is just 1.4. while that is still good for a relief pitcher, it just isnt worth near as much as he’s getting paid. and he would have to be the very best relief pitcher in the league just for the Reds to break even on his contract. the nature of the job makes it impossible for him to earn his keep, which is why smart teams dont pay for closers on the free agent market.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the rockies-brewers game...

matt belisle was the winner, and david weathers was the loser

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Sep 30, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...and the Reds were the real winners.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Sep 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Reposter - Passing the Blame, Pointing the Finger

I want to get a T-Shirt that clearly says: I BLAME DUSTY

As for pointing the finger—-
this woman looks a bit like Ash…
Although Ash would never be so docile

Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....

by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is that like a tree falling in the woods kind of thing?

what should we listen for, the crying or the surgery.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I call bullshit.
“It is not a good business model,’’ Reds CEO Bob Castellini said Tuesday.

Really Bob? What’s changed about the business model in the 4 years since you bought a majority of the team? Or are you saying you’re an idiot who pays $200M for 70% of a business that can’t make money? Which is it?

Quit asking good, successful teams for handouts. Get rid of your idiot manager and croney GM, hire good talent evaluators to run the team, and stay the fuck out of the way – you know, like that fellow billionaire 200 miles north on I-75.

Pardon my language, but this shit gets old. It’s like the owners have to swear allegance to Selig before getting a team.

"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"

by sidnancy on Sep 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, if it were only as simple as all that.

AS the rich get richer – the have nots have to get smarter…that’s a lot to ask from Bob, hell he’s older than I am.
The smart moves that you correctly disclose – get a GM and a Manager – are predicated on not Money but:
1. Knowing the game
2. Knowing the industry
3. If, however, you don’t know #1 and #2 , then you have to get out of the way,BUT
4. If you’re the boss, it is your money on the line, and you don’t know #1 and #2 then it makes it difficult to hire a creative manager and GM
5. The catch comes that you can’t remove yourself from the equation until you hire a manager and GM, \wich takes us back to #1 and 2.

A Baseball industry with more parity however, would be an improved and healthier industry because competition tends to breed innovation and create stability. When you can’t compete (because of lack of money) your business stagnates and becomes a drain on your industry. Just think how much more money the Reds would have in a business model with some shared revenue..they could play Pittsburgh and both teams would most likely be better teams with significantly higher attendance and more advertisers and more money to share for the Reds to bring back to their club and city.

Bob buying a baseball team is similar to me having the money to buy a giant produce conglomerate,,,I’d fuck it up with in 5 years fer sher.

Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....

by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or,

the Reds could pocket the extra money and show no improvement, like the Pirates currently do.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute....

you mean that Pirates already have a revenue sharing plan with other teams and we don’t. Boy is Bob stupid or what!!!

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by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That luxury tax bullshit.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....

by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see both sides of the issue

the economic issues in baseball does put Cincinnati and teams like it behind the proverbial 8-ball. The Yankees can spend money on CC Sabathia, and not be too worried if he blows his arm out 3 years into his contract, and they pay him for years of surgery, rehab, and being a shell of his former self, because they can replace him with a similar contract for Tim Lincecum when he hits the market. They can invest in players not not be as worried about the risk.

Ken Griffey Jr. ate up a large portion of the Reds pay role, when the Reds traded and extended him, he was a marquee player, maybe the best in baseball, nobody saw all of those injuries coming. It seemed like a smart investment for the Reds, because Griffey would provide the Reds with high level production on the field, the marketing of selling Griffey merchandise off the field would have been a boom. The Yankees could have signed Griffey, Griffey could have gone through the same injuries in New York, and it wouldn’t have come close to hurting them.

Also small market teams have to rely on luck. Ty Howington was a big time pitching prospect, now yes the Reds mismanaged him, but still it is difficult when an injury to a minor league pitcher can change the course of the Major League Team.

The Reds have to be smarter, no doubt, the Twins, As, Marlins, have proven it doesn’t take a big payroll to succeed, but an even monetary playing field would go a long way too.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Yankees

have insurance in case CC’s arm blows up.

That’s the reason they kept Carl Pavano around so long. As long as he was in the Yankees organization and not playing, they got the insurance money.

What hurt them was that he took up a roster spot for so long. No insurance for that.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pavano really was a prick

They asked him to agree to be assigned to AAA. He would still get the same money, and have access to all the same facilities, but it would free up a roster spot. He refused. After sucking up millions of dollars, lazing about instead of working on his rehab (let alone pitching), and lying to the Yankees about that car accident he caused.

They knew he was never going to pitch for them. If not for the insurance money, they’d have sent him down anyway, and let him take his chances with free agency.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can see why he didn't want to go to AAA

all about service time. I don’t know how long it takes to get a pension, but that may have been why he rejected it, thinking at that time he might not get anymore big league time after his contract with the Yankees ended.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, that wasn't it

He had plenty of service time. That’s why he could refuse an assignment to the minors. He said he thought he could pitch for a major league team that year, and “wanted to keep his options open.”

The real reason may have been that by staying on the roster, he was guaranteed a share of the post-season winnings. (Not that there were any that year.)

Still lame. Even if the Yanks went all the way, it would have been pocket change to a player who makes as much money as he was.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think it takes something like 10 years of service time for a player to beable to recieve a pension

i think that is why the Cubs brought Fox back this year, was just so he could get the service time needed for a pension.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not 10 years

From here:

MLB was the first pro sport to set up a pension (1947). It originally offered $100/mo depending on the number of years played. The original requirement was 5 years service time, then it was reduced to 43 days for a full pension (1 day for medical). There are even players who have been called up to the big leagues, sat the bench for a few weeks, never got in a game, and will still receive a pension (The plan only requires the player to be on the roster, not appear in any games). Sweet Deal!!! The minimum a player will receive is $1,000/mo, and it maxes out at $180,000 for players with 10+ years service time. Pensions begin at age 62.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that

$180,000/month?

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by BubbaFan on Sep 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should be,,, I mean its hard to get by on less than 3 million a year these days

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by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: issue #1

You are my new favorite person in the world. Thank you for recognizing and voicing the jackassery that I behind losing and finger-pointing in MLB.

It’s so laughable that people think economic parity is what is behind the NFL’s popularity. What if baseball had a 17 game schedule, where teams played only on Sundays, and its fans had nothing else to do on that Sunday but watch television (oh, and there’s nothing else on)?

by Brian B on Sep 30, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Add to that

the fact the scoring system and scoring environment in the NFL makes it the near perfect sport to gamble on.

Parity might be part of the appeal of the NFL, but if they were to do away with parity, the NFL wouldn’t lose a whole lot of support.

Now, make a field goal worth one point and touchdown worth two points and watch the frustration with the league grow.

People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring

by Man Mountain on Sep 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There'd be a helluva lot more parity in a 16-game season, that's for sure

After 16 games this year the playoff teams would have been Toronto, Boston, Kansas City, and Seattle in AL. In the NL, it would have been Florida, St. Louis, LA Dodgers, and San Diego.

Parity is much harder in a longer season because, for the most part, only good teams go to the playoffs after 162 games. A mediocre NFL team can get lucky and win a game or two they shouldn’t win and end up in the playoffs. A mediocre baseball team probably needs to luck into about 10 wins to turn the table and make the playoffs. And that doesn’t even mention the fact that only 8 teams make the playoffs in baseball compared to 12 in football and 16 in basketball.

There are many more impediments to baseball parity than simply payroll.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this isn't quite logical though

If it were only a 16 game season, teams would play a whole heck of a lot differently. You wouldn’t see 5 starters for example. Guys in the starting 8 wouldn’t get days off. So the results you have likely wouldn’t happen.

by cokane on Sep 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was being facetious

though 16 games would still lead to much more parity than 162 games. It’s just a fact that any team can get hot for 16 games.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a good point you bring up Brian B. about popularity

On the other hand a form of parity could very likely increase the opportunity for stronger competition. But to be fair extra monies would have to be used judiciously and not just hoarded (a la Mike Brown). I also believe that winning has a great deal to do with popularity in pro sports. It is rare that a winning team doesn’t do well in attendance and in ad dollars.
Just sayin’

Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....

by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to MLBTR

“On the weekend, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported (via Twitter) that the D’Backs will listen to offers for Stephen Drew. Nightengale says the club wants pitching and suggests the Red Sox will likely have interest in Drew.”

Any Red’s interest I wonder? I would bet his bat would fit in decent at GABP and he seemingly has a good glove I think. I bet it’d take too much to get him though.

by kennythered on Sep 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

He does have a decent bat, a bit below average for his career, but not bad for a shortstop. His line drive rate has fluctuated from year to year, this year being a down year. His glove is suspect, though his UZR was good this year. If he could put a good hitting and good fielding season together at one time, he could be a very valuable player. Instead he’s been valuable, just not peak. He’ll only be 27 next year and is moving into his arb years after having been under a Major League contract that he signed when drafted that saw him make $1.5M the last 2 years. I could see him make $3-4M next year.

He wouldn’t be my prime choice for shortstop – his glove is a concern – but I’d definitely inquire if I’m Walt.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you could have janish backing him up

and that would free up janish to be a utility late inning guy, who you can insert in any infield position.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and Jannis already has shown that he can pitch in a pinch

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by Madville on Sep 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if I'm building a team

I don’t want a weak defensive shortstop, even if I’ve got a late inning defensive replacement, unless that shortstop hits like Hanley Ramirez. I don’t believe that Drew would hit well enough to sacrifice defense at a key defensive position like shortstop. And even with a late inning replacement, he’d still be playing 80% of the innings there.

That being said, I’m basing Drew’s defense strictly off of his UZR numbers. If he’s made adjustments to his game that have helped him improve, then that’s different. I just doubt it is so.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which will provide a better overall WAR and RAR?

Also which will provide a better VORP/$. I understand these stats to a point, but I don’t know completely how to calculate them, and I still rely on you and Justin to explain to me who is more efficient overall.

I guess my question is, would it be inefficient for Cincinnati to trade for Stephen Drew, and would Janish provide a better bang for the buck?

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on who the DBacks would require to get him

And if the Brewers are still interested in trading Hardy, I’d rather go that way, even if Hardy costs more players/money. I think Hardy makes this team better than Drew, which is the ultimate goal.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just curious

lets say the reds don’t have to give up very much for Drew, who would be more efficient in both terms of money and runs created, Janish or Drew?

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably Janish, only because you can't just ignore the players that you have to give up

and Drew will likely make $3+ million more than Janish. But in terms of money efficiency, it’s probably pretty close, though Drew definitely has a higher peak value than Janish. If Drew were to break out and combine his best offensive year with his best defensive year, he’d easily be the better value.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks slyde

lets just go with Janish then.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Imagine a lineup next season that had Stubbs 1st, Drew 2nd, and Sutton 8th. Too damn confusing.

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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fact

Drew Sutton’s real name is “Stephen Drew Sutton”

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Sep 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man

Now it has to happen, we could have so much fun with that next year…

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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad if we got Drew then we probably wouldn't go after JJ Hardy

We could have a lineup with the Hardy Boy and the Nan-Three Drews.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maloney is scratched for Lehr

Maloney is still being bothered by his blister, so I guess his season is done. Via teh Fay

I guess it doesn’t matter much, I think his September performances have cemented him in the pole position for the 5th starters spot next Spring, although i am guessing only Harang, Arroyo, and Cueto will be guaranteed spots, Bailey and Maloney will probably (and too a point rightly so) against T Wood, Owings, Juckich, and some Lehr and Wells like scrubs the Reds invite to Spring Training next year.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bailey better be damn close to locked in...

And while I’m on your Maloney bandwagon to a point, I can’t help but think that some washed up Josh Fogg type will be brought in.

Granted, this would be entirely counter-intuitive, I just like to prepare for the worst.

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by chesirecat on Sep 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Harang was locked in for 2005 after 2004

teams tend to not like to “officially” give a spot in the rotation to a guy with Homer’s big league back round, but I am guessing it is his to lose, and he would have really fuck it up to lose it, like walk 2 batters per inning and have an ERA around 14 or so next March.

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Reds likely wont come out publicly and announce that Homer is in the rotation next year

but he’ll be in the rotation next year, unless he’s traded. he doesnt have any options left, so unless they put him in the bullpen, he’ll be in the rotation. because he cant go to AAA.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was essintially what i was saying

The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.

by justin007000 on Sep 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that guys like Castellini shouldn't complain about parity/revenue

Still I would like to see some revenue sharing, and I think it would benefit baseball fandom. If for no other reason, I’d love to not see Boston/NYY in the playoffs nearly every damn year.

by cokane on Sep 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they do have revenue sharing

if i recall correctly, a number of teams like the Pirates, Rays, and Marlins, got enough money in revenue sharing to cover their entire player payrolls.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true there's some

I’m just saying that it’s not a bad idea. There’s a reason that not only is the NFL more popular in total, but it’s popularity is also widespread across the country. One reason is the parity. Baseball has a strong hold in the east coast, but the dominance of those teams has become detrimental to the sport’s national popularity.

by cokane on Sep 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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