Red Reposter - Is Jay Bruce the RF for Next Season? How is That Even a Serious Question?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
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Dusty was asked if Jay Bruce will be the starting RF next year
and he said, "It depends on how things go and how he looks. No. 1, that's kind of a loaded question. And No. 2, it's way down the line." I dont want to sound off any alarm bells just yet, and it is probably just posturing to make sure Jay stays hungry and doesnt grow a sense of entitlement, but if he's actually considering anyone else in RF next season he needs to be fired right here and now. Of course it's just posturing, right? -
Dusty is pretty optimistic about next season (like he would say so if he felt otherwise)
"We’ll have Scott Rolen all year," he said. "We’ll have Joey (Votto) all year. I hope and pray we keep the bullpen intact – that’s been our strength. Our young guys have gotten a couple of months under their belts. Jay Bruce will be better. Hopefully, we’ll re-sign Ramon (Hernandez) and have him all year." If you were still wondering why Ryan Hanigan has ridden the bench so much, I think you just got your answer. Dusty doesnt seem to like him. Dammit. -
Dusty is still not saying anything specific about the future regarding CF
Willy Taveras got the start yesterday, his first since going on the DL a month ago. When asked again what his plan is for T-Virus for next year, he said, "You’re asking me questions that are way down the line," Baker said. "Willy was struggling before Stubbs got here. He’s been out a long time. The door was open for Stubbs, and Stubbs has really kicked that door open. Right now, Stubbs has played better than both of them (Taveras and Dickerson). Dickerson’s average is higher. But Stubbs has been quite productive. Dickerson’s upside is still tremendous. We’ve got a lot of competition out there. I’ll try to find a way for them all to best help us that particular time of day." This makes me feel a little better about the Taveras situation, but until they DFA him I wont rest easy. -
Has Francisco Cordero been a good investment for the Reds?
We all know the answer to that, but he is only 1 save behind Heath Bell for the league lead. Little victories. -
Doug Gray is running his '09 Draft Review
I really like this draft class. Mark Fleury and Josh Fellhauer are personal favorites. Part 2 of Doug's review is here. -
Circling the Bases has noticed that Bronson Arroyo has been too sweet over the second half
They said it makes his $11 mil salary next year "a little more palatable" next season, whether the Reds want to keep him or trade him. It's really tough to gauge this situation. With Edinson Volquez out for next year they dont have the pitching depth to trade him (unless they get a major league-ready pitcher in return) and I dont think teams will offer a good enough value in return. Then again, we've all seen the Goodroyo/Badroyo graphs and we know he's likely to hit a valley soon, so perhaps it's time to trade him while his value is up. And of course, he made those comments a while back saying the Reds would be stupid to trade him if they want to have a go at it next year. I'm sure if in the event he is traded, the Nasty Hook will raise the middle finger flag as it sails down the mighty Ohio. -
FanGraphs reminds us all how good Pedro Martinez was back in his day
The hands-down AL Cy Young favorite this year, Zach Greinke, is having a season for the ages with a jaw-dropping 2.34 FIP, leading the league in Ks, CGs, shutouts, and so on. Kid has been bonkers. Pedro was better than that. Pedro was sooo much better than that. 213 innings. 160 hits. 9 home runs. 37 walks. 313 strikeouts. 1.39 FIP. 1.39 FIP. One. Three. Niner. Son of a bitch. -
Speaking of Pedro and Greinke, Jim Rice isnt impressed by Greinke
In reference to Greinke's shutout of the Sawx the other night, Rice said, "Zack Greinke didn’t really impress me last night. He pitched well and maybe I caught him on a bad night, but to me he didn’t seem dominant. Greinke has may have the lowest ERA in the AL since Pedro Martinez in 2000, but he doesn’t strike me as the dominant force that Pedro was during his statistical peak." Unfortunately, I read through the BBTF thread on this one before writing this up, so all the jokes I came up with feel old-hat now. -
Kenny Williams says his White Sox are "underachievers"
"They are underachievers," Williams said before the White Sox played the Minnesota Twins on Wednesday. "We’re not playing up to our capabilities. Period." Dave at FanGraphs goes on to explain how Kenny is wrong, that the Sox played right up to their capabilities. They just werent that good to begin with. This thing really reminded me of the Reds this year. Every team that doesnt make the playoffs (and the Yankees when they dont win the WS (sorry BF)) is going to make an excuse for why it didnt work out. For the Sox, they "underachieved", for the Reds it's "all the injuries". At the end of the day though, 162 games is plenty enough to show you what a team is made of. If you arent close by the end of the season, it's because you werent good enough. -
A few Reds Hall o' Famers will be involved in the new Florida Winter League
George Foster will manage the Lake County Black Bears and Ken Griffey Sr will serve as the league's commissioner. -
FanGraphs has an iPhone app
What is the word the hipsters use nowadays instead of "cool"? I just say this is cool, but I'm sure they would call it something more clever. -
Red Reposter NEWS FROM HELL
Kings Island set up a display for their Halloween Haunt show in which the scene of Steve McNair's murder was replicated using skeletons. The skeleton wearing the McNair jersey is holding a Titans helmet with the top blown off and the skeleton if Sahel Kazemi, his mistress and murderer, draped across it's lap. There is also a scene depicting Heath Ledger surrounded by bottles of pills and Michael Jackson wearing PJs. Just...wow.
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yikes
Definitely TOO SOON on the McNair thing.
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Did you watch the original video from channel 5?
The guy from KI who was cracking jokes about it was a complete ass clown.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
someone should be fired for that crap
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
don't look at me
i quit KI in 2005.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Are they not aware that a vengeful Kige Ramsey is within easy driving distance?
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kige has press credentials for the Titans this season. ridiculous!
And just because you hate Tebow
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
went looking for a picture of the display
and found a quote from the spokesman saying the Ted Kennedy display hadn’t been put up yet. wonder what kind of reaction that would have gotten.
They may as well do a Mary Jo exhibit and a whole Kennedy family exhibit
by Brian B on Sep 25, 2009 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
according to the ddn
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 25, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like madville was behind this
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
"Will Jay Bruce be the right fielder next year?"
How is this a loaded question? This assumes… What exactly? That someone will start in right field? That Jay Bruce will still be on the team? That there will be a season next year? Either Dusty doesn’t know what a loaded question is, or I’m missing something.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Seems to me it was asked by someone with an agenda
Look at the way Charlie reacted.
Personally, I’m no longer on the Jay Bruce is a Future Superstar bandwagon. Mind you, I wouldn’t trade him or release him, but opening up competition for the RF job between he and Balentin and Dickerson doesn’t seem terrible.
Jay has been terrible offensively this year and last year he was only at his 10-20% projection. After almost a year and half of disappointment, doesn’t the team have to consider whether he might all prospect and no player?
Now, let me add, I think he’s a player and I think he will improve, but you don’t let .210 hitters have carte blanche on a line-up slot. So, if needs to be in platoon with Balentin, I’m cool with that.
i quite disagree
it hasn’t been a year and a half of disappointment. It’s been half of this year of disappointment, followed by half a year on the DL with a broken wrist. He’s 22 years old. 22! There’s no way you start platooning him with inferior talent. You’re right that he’s only at his 10-20 percent projection, so how about giving him a full year to see what his 50th percentile or better looks like?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
wow
he is younger than i am. That is kind of depressing…
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I though I saw a picture that called him 23
Not that it matters.
Do you realized he was born a month before I graduated high school and has already made more money in these two years than I have in my “career.”
Sobering thought
yeah i think you might be thinking of Homer
he’s only 23.
and here’s another kick in the nuts: he made $2 mil when he was 18 years old.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be cool to haul in that much cash so young
I want a big chunk of change to buy a minor league team and play MLB2K with people’s lives! Actually, I just want to design the gimmicks
I'm happy to give the job to Jay for his defense alone
Everyone always forgets that he had 18 home runs before he got injured too. He’s a valuable player, and yes, you can build around him.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
do you think he'd work in the 4 spot?
maybe…
stubbs/dickerson/taveras (blargh)
phillips
votto
bruce
rolen
gomes
hanigan
janish
P
???
holy crap my first “what-if” lineup!!!
I wouldn't put him there right away
Start him out hitting sixth or seventh and let him get his rhythm at the plate. And once he does, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, Gomes, and Bruce is going to be a pretty potent heart of the order.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
His performance this year aside
I have trouble seeing who could take his place. Dusty’s done the right thing in nominally opening up the position. The competition will hopefully serve as a motivator. But if Dickerson and Balentien are the other contestants, it’s no contest at all. Dickerson is great, but he doesn’t have the defensive profile (arm) or power to play RF everday. Balentien is still an unknown quantity whose minor or major league performance could never justify him starting over Bruce. Francisco, Frazier, Heisey et al. don’t figure to be in the running for opening day 2010.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
his obp scares me a lot
and he struggled with that in the minors too. Glad I checked that he did a pretty job of getting on base in the minors. He just needs some time to develop. Maybe a little more time in AAA would have been good, but I’m not worried.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he destroyed AAA
he had nothing left to learn there. what he needs is the time and the PAs to adjust and grow. he’s still just a baby.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I had assumed he struggled hitting lefties too
and while his splits vs. LHP were worse, he still managed .290/.352/.522
The league made an adjustment and found holes in his swing. Then he got injured. He needs to make a reciprocal adjustment and guys with preternatural talent like he has need outside help, you know, some kind of “helper” who has experience and expertise in the field to diagnos his problem, provide him with the necessary motivation and get him back on track. I don’t understand why the Reds don’t have someone like this on staff. Maybe they need more of our money.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
10 bucks says the month he'll spend in the Dominican will work wonders for him
“I talked to (someone not employed by the Reds) and he told me, “you need to change that and this” and then it was like a switch flipped. I feel like my old self again." – Jay Bruce, December 2009
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh.
My reaction to that is simply this:
“Those clowns in Congress have done it again. What a bunch of clowns!”
“Wow, how does it keep up with the news like that?”
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe he's like Brett Tomko and can't be coached?
Point is, we don’t know. He came up hot and then played a disappointing 350 PA’s and we all wrote it off. He came back this year and through 300 PA’s showed pretty poor stats (while playing good defense and hitting for power). Seems to be, he hasn’t improved and we don’t know why. Most likely, this is just a glitch that we can fondly remember when he’s getting his second MVP award five years from now, but the point remains in much of two seasons, he has not shown the sort of production we or the team expected. Blaming it on Jacoby, while popular in these here parts, makes as much sense as blaming Jacoby for Joey Votto’s production. He did get better, after all and he has the same hitting coach.
Give in to the dark side
Blame the coaches! Your hate makes you powerful!
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think there is any cryptic reason why Bruce hasnt set the world on fire
i think it’s pretty simple. he is 22 and he’s not Albert Pujols.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
At least he’s got a good head on his shoulders.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure the anti-coaching bias I have is unfair on some level
but you have to admit there’s a pattern in the inability to nurture talent by recent Reds regimes. Whether Bruce can be “coached” is admittedly a black box to me. But whether he’s the best prospect this team has produced this century is not.
I think players rarely question why they’re good when it’s working. Ballplayers in general are not a very circumspect bunch. Someone has to bridge the gap between the talent and lifetime of practice and dedication they possess and the sometimes arcane fine-tuning necessary to develop competive advantages and become an effective big-league player. That falls squarely on the coaching staff. Whether there are extenuating circumstances or psychological barriers here, I know not. Jay is the rubber touching the road and he has to make the change. But I suspect it’s not an attitude problem or an unwillingness to learn on the part of Jay.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Man in the mirror'd
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well I learned my lesson with Bailey
Bruce will be a star next season, much like Votto has been one this season.Count on it.
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
The reds are....
Look at the team’s aggregate stats: specifically, 3rd in MLB in Defensive Efficiency and 8th in Runs against per game. A healthy and productive Bruce would have improved that 25th rated runs scored per game and closed the run differential.
Since the Reds will claim to have no money, let’s hope 2009 Jay is an aberration and we “trade” for productive 2010 Jay Bruce.
I said the same thing on fay's site
following the definition of a loaded question, this question would be assuming he has been the RF. which he…has been, so that’s not much of an assumption.
Nobody really likes Deadspin around here
But here’s a picture of the crowd at the game yesterday, along with some quality frustration from a Pirates fan.
Just remember folks: There but for the grace of Jack McKeon go we.
wow
They closed off the upper deck. Did they just tell people who had tickers up there to sit wherever they wanted?
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Sounds like it
“Hey you two! Lower bowl!”
“Uh… gimme two minutes. And a towel.”
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Re-signing Ramon is an incredibly bad idea
unless its as a backup, for one year at $1MM or so. He’s got knee problems that are unlikely to go away and he’s defensively and offensively inferior to our league-minimum in house option. Ramon was essentially at replacement level this year and his OPS has been in steady decline since ‘06. I really hope that either Walt has the good sense Dusty doesn’t or they don’t have the bank to re-sign Ramon. Because if they do find the money to do it, they’re going to fritter it away on someone else equally ill-advised if not Ramon.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Way to plan ahead
" When asked again what his plan is for T-Virus for next year, [Dusty] said, ‘You’re asking me questions that are way down the line * * *.’"
What? Is he too worried about this year’s playoff rotation or something?
by Snake the Jake on Sep 25, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
I know this isn't the first time I've said this, and it won't be the last...
but reading that comment about Ramon (and no mention of Hanigan) from Dusty, I can only say:
Fuck you, Dusty.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm with you on that
Apart from veteran-ness, I think Dusty is basing his whole opinion on Hanigan vs. Ramon on RBIs. That, and this is a not-too-subtle fuck you to Hanigan. It’s just as dumb as the Position Based Lineup Construction System he uses, so no one should be surprised.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
BP and BA top 10 lists from 2003-2008
2008
1. Jay Bruce, of, Reds
2. Clay Buchholz, rhp, Red Sox
3. Evan Longoria, 3b, Rays
4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp, Yankees
5. Clayton Kershaw, lhp, Dodgers
6. David Price, lhp, Rays
7. Travis Snider, of, Blue Jays
8. Colby Rasmus, of, Cardinals
9. Homer Bailey, rhp, Reds
10. Cameron Maybin, of, Marlins
2007
1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23
2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21
3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21
4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21
5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22
6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23
7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20
8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23
9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20
10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21
2006
Young1. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays
“Delmon’s going to be as good as Delmon wants to be. He can do whatever he puts his mind to do.”
—anonymous scout
ETA: 2006
Young2. JUSTIN UPTON, ss, Diamondbacks
“If you stick him in center field right now, he could be an all-star in two years.”
—anonymous scouting director
ETA: 2007
Wood3. BRANDON WOOD, ss, Angels
“He’s still going to get better. He looks like the next Cal Ripken to me.”
—San Jose manager Lenn Sakata
ETA: 2007
Hermida4. JEREMY HERMIDA, of, Marlins
“Everything he does is so easy. He has a 70 arm and he has one of the sweetest swings from the left side I’ve ever seen.”
—anonymous scout
ETA: 2006
Drew5. STEPHEN DREW, ss, Diamondbacks
“He’s got power. He can hit for average. He’s got instincts. He has all the defensive tools to play an outstanding shortstop. He is one of the most instinctual players for his age that I’ve ever seen.”
—Diamondbacks scouting director Mike Rizzo
ETA: 2006
Liriano6. FRANCISCO LIRIANO, lhp, Twins
“He’s filthy. We’re talking three big league pitches, and everything looks easy.”
—Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett
ETA: 2006
Billingsley7. CHAD BILLINGSLEY, rhp, Dodgers
“There are times when his command is a little off, but his arm strength, demeanor on the mound, presence—everything is good. He has a chance to be a dominant starter in the big leagues”
—Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2006
Verlander8. JUSTIN VERLANDER, rhp, Tigers
“He’s got the arm, the heart and the head to do some very, very great things for that organization.”
—anonymous scout
ETA: 2006
Milledge9. LASTINGS MILLEDGE, of, Mets
“He’s going to be an all-star caliber player. You hit home runs with a quick bat, which he’s got, and down the road he could steal 35 to 40 bases.”
—anonymous scout
ETA: 2006
Cain10. MATT CAIN, rhp, Giants
“The quality of his stuff has never been a question. The question was his command and ability to make adjustments. Well, he’s doing those things now.”
—Fresno manager Shane Turner
2005
1. JOE MAUER, c, Twins Scouting Report
“We had some concern from the start that he was bigger than the normal catcher. But Joe Mauer is not normal, from his mind to his tools to his heart.”
—Twins scouting director Mike Radcliff
2. FELIX HERNANDEZ, rhp, Mariners Scouting Report
“He’s the best I’ve seen in the last three or four years, and he’s right up there with the great stuff guys I’ve ever seen.”
—NL scout
3. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays Scouting Report
“He changes the outcome of every game with his power and his arm.”
—Charleston (W.Va.) manager Ken Joyce
4. IAN STEWART, 3b, Rockies Scouting Report
“He’s athletic and he’s got some juice in his bat, and I like his haircut.”
—Savannah manager Bob Henley
5. JOEL GUZMAN, ss, Dodgers Scouting Report
“He’s Juan Gonzalez waiting to happen.”
—AL scout
6. CASEY KOTCHMAN, 1b, Angels Scouting Report
“He’s such a good hitter and he’s still developing. I think he’ll easily hit 30-plus homers in the majors.”
—NL scout
7. SCOTT KAZMIR, lhp, Devil Rays Scouting Report
“You’ll know why we traded for him when you see him pitch. He’s got outstanding stuff.”
—Devil Rays general manager Chuck LaMar
8. RICKIE WEEKS, 2b, Brewers Scouting Report
“He has the tools, he’s smart, he’s a good person and he has the work ethic. He’s going to be outstanding.”
—NL scout
9. ANDY MARTE, 3b, Braves Scouting Report
“There’s nothing not to like about Andy Marte. He’s an outstanding defender with a chance to be an impact player offensively.”
—Birmingham manager Razor Shines
10. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss, Red Sox Scouting Report
“What a young talent. He makes the game look so easy.”
—Fort Myers manager Jose Marzan
2004
1. Joe Mauer c, Twins
2. B.J. Upton ss, Devil Rays
3. Delmon Young of, Devil Rays
4. Edwin Jackson rhp, Dodgers
5. Rickie Weeks 2b, Brewers
6. Alexis Rios of, Blue Jays
7. Kazuo Matsui ss, Mets
8. Greg Miller lhp, Dodgers
9. Grady Sizemore of, Indians
10. Prince Fielder 1b, Brewers
2003
1. Mark Teixeira, 3b, Rangers
2. Rocco Baldelli, of, Devil Rays
3. Jose Reyes, ss, Mets
4. Joe Mauer, c, Twins
5. Jesse Foppert, rhp, Giants
6. Jose Contreras, rhp, Yankees
7. Brandon Phillips, 2b/ss, Indians
8. Hideki Matsui, of, Yankees
9. Gavin Floyd, rhp, Phillies
10. Francisco Rodriguez, rhp, Angels
Some pretty heady company, but you just want to see Bruce bust out of that group of uncertainty with the Youngs, Uptons, Wood, etc.
2007’s list looks pretty shaky still, but if you look at 2003 and see guys like Phillips and Floyd took a little longer. Rarely are there complete busts. Bruce is still a pretty safe bet, but certainly could fall short of expectations
Nah, I liked this comment
It also reminds me of how somedays I’ll be walking along, thinking of something completely unrelated, and then I’ll realize that we’ve potentially squandered two can’t miss prospects in Homer Bailey and Jay Bruce, and my seething hatred towards the coaching staff will grow to unhealthy levels.
And then I calm down.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
too long did not read
i actually did read it though. i have to admit, there was a time when i wanted to trade bailey because of his poor attitude. obviously, i’m glad we didn’t. and as for bruce… i’m in the school of thought with most ^^^up there… the dude is only 22 and has no business being at AAA anymore.
I like how in that picture
Jay Bruce is levitating a helmet with his MIND.
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Sep 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
it does look like that
and Jay Bruce’s hair looks great in that pic for just coming out of that helmet
Votto may be hot-to
And Homer may be the best hunter, but Jay Bruce has the best hair.
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by BubbaFan on Sep 25, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Reds actually get rid of Taveris
I’ll be flabergasted.
BTW I am in the minority but I see no problem keeping RayMoan. He can hit well and is a good catcher and is a fine back up for Votto. Add his and Hanigan’s salaries together and divide by 2 = good deal.
BTW – Bruce ain’t going nowhwere.
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
The problem with keeping RayMoan
Is that if we pick up his option, we owe him $8.5 million next year. If we buy it out for $1M, and we can resign him to a more realistic figure, I’d be all for keeping him around, but not at the price he’s currently at.
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by BK on Sep 25, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and the problem of him not being a very good baseball player anymore
he was a replacement-level catcher this year and an embarrassing 1st baseman. i dont know what you are thinking Mads, but having him at 1st was one of the more damaging decisions Dusty made this year. and he has a degenerative knee condition. i’d rather have the Corkster for $500K.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking how well he hit during the time that he was on 1st and how well the team in eneral was doing when he was in the lineup.
I don’t see him as the starter but as co-catcher and slowly fading to backup over the course of the season. But I like him as a hitter and he calls a good game or so it appears from the general response of the pitching staff. (I have no links here sorry).
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
oh Maddy...
youre memory and/or observational skills have declined in your advanced age. Raymoan hit .202/.301/.303 as a 1B this year. that’s only a little better than Taveras.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
but
Raymoan is really slow to, so there is that.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 26, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently not as slow as my memory
I remember the Reds winning a whole bunch of games while RayMoan was at 1st base..didn’t realize his average was so low. I’ve changed my ind. Let’s keep Corky Miller or Craig Taintum instead. I’ve not checked but i bet their defense is better than Ray’s..at least.
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
Jim Rice's comments
from a fringe Hall-of-Famer, this is a classless comment. Of course I would expect nothing less from him. And, in my humble opinion, had racist overtones.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I think the racist accusation is a pretty big stretch.
Pedro is from the Dominican Republic – and Jim Rice was born in South Carolina.
I think what the two of them actually have in common is that they both played for the Red Sox. (Plus, you know how Red Sox fans are – SCHILLING WAS THE MOST CLUTCHIEST PLAYOFF PITCHER EVER!! WHO THE FUCK IS DON LARSEN?!?! -I’m not suggesting that Jim Rice doesn’t know who Don Larsen is, but you get my drift).
I think it’s just Jim Rice drifting into a particular mentality of how new things are shit (more frequently seen in older people). Like, when Joe Morgan says that there aren’t any great teams like the BRM anymore – he’s not being racist because now there are japanese people in mlb – he’s just really into old things that he was involved in.
Plus, it’s easy to overlook Zach Greinke if you’re not into numbers, because he seriously, looks about 17 years old.
IAN! I'm on traain!
silly to trade arroyo imo
I definitely agree if someone says he’s playing over his head right now, and won’t duplicate his 2nd half stats next year.
Arroyo has been an incredible pitcher for the reds these last four years. You could make the argument that—since 2006—he’s been the Reds most valuable pitcher. I’m not saying he should be the opening day starter. However if you add up his innings pitched and his era, and I don’t think you find a better pitch on this staff over that stretch, not even Harang. I think all the injuries to pitchers this year should show us how valuable having depth there is, even if you do over pay some guys. The Reds next year look to depend on Bailey, Cueto, and likely a third young pitcher. In 2011 they may be depending on 4 young pitchers if Volquez comes back. Just seems risky to trade away a workhorse like Arroyo and depend on all this young talent.
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