Red Reposter - The End of an Era(?)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
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Hall o' Famer Hal thinks the love affair between Dusty and Willy Taveras is over
Here's the way Hal puts it when he asked Dusty about giving Ramon Hernandez the start last night: "He’s worked hard to get to this point and I like to reward guys who work hard to get back in there to play." Just reading between the lines here, one suspects Taveras did not work hard enough to get back, not the way Hernandez did after having knee surgery July 21. Also sounds as if Baker wouldn’t mind if Taveras was not back with the team next season. He didn’t say that, but when a manager brings up Wally Pipp, that’s Serious Business." That's one big sigh of relief. -
Jeff Moore at Dugout Central asks "Who would you rather have?" among Max Scherzer, Johnny Cueto, and Joba Chamberlain
He ultimately chooses Scherzer, and honestly I cant argue with him. All three of these guys have great potential. But I think he shortchanges JC a bit based on the players' ERAs. Still a neat read though. -
I just love Joey Votto so much
Hal asked him about hitting .300. His average now is .308 with 11 games to play. He said, "Most players realize (that .300) is one of those pretty stats that a lot of guys take a ton of pride in because ever since baseball started, it has always been a benchmark. So I’m no different than anybody else, but I do realize it’s definitely not the most important stat." He is not Hal Morris. -
Mike Lincoln update
He threw from the mound for the second time and felt good. He couldnt locate his pitches, but it seems he should be ready to go by Spring Training. I hate that the Reds have $2.5 mil guaranteed to this guy for next year because it likely means he'll take the roster spot of a young reliever with some promise like Carlos Fisher, but you cannot help but admire the dude's dedication. He's had two Tommy John's and now a cervical disk replacement surgery. Holy crap. -
Doug Gray wraps up his minor league season reviews with Louisville
He tabs Drew Stubbs and Matt Maloney as his top players. -
THT has a neat little discussion about guys who hit .300 but manage an OPS+ below 90
Hal Morris did it for the Royals in '98. He's not Joey Votto. -
Big League Stew reviewed the Reds season now that they are officially out of it
Here's what they say they need to do to be better in 2010: "The news in Cincinnati could be much, much better. Dusty Baker is probably back for another season due to his $3.5 million salary and Buster Olney is quoting scouts as saying the Reds are the furthest team away from contention in the National League. Most of the team's payroll is locked up in four guys (Rolen, Cordero, Harang and Arroyo) and the loss of Volquez is going to be felt as Walt Jocketty attempts to fix that rotation. Still, the Reds have some solid pieces to build around and they should best hope that we can point to one or two guys at the end of 2010 and label them as stars without hesitation. Some jumps definitely need to be made." -
The Smithsonian Museum (hi Brendan!) has hung a picture of Tommy Lasorda in the National Portrait Gallery
The portrait measures 60 inches by 50 inches, just like Tommy!
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how are the reds the furthest from contention?
Umm…pirates, padres, nationals. The astros are going to super suck soon too.
by Snake the Jake on Sep 23, 2009 12:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe they just have different opinions on those teams minor leagues and young players compaired to ours.
Or, evidently, payroll flexibility.
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yeah
It’s not just that we suck, it’s that we have so much money locked up in those four players, limiting our potential to improve.
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those 4 players are solid though
As for payroll flexibility, the pads and pirates don’t really have any either. Those teams aren’t going to be adding a ton of salary within the next few years. The pads farm system is weak and the pirates have no pitching. The reds could contend within 2-3 years. The pirates and pads aren’t that close.
by Snake the Jake on Sep 23, 2009 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Pirates are rife with payroll flexibility
they have something like $12 million spent next season. They don’t have much talent at the big league level right now, but payroll flexibility is most assuredly not an issue for them.
Definitely a good argument.
actually, now that I look at it, the Padres have a lot of payroll room too
they don’t have anybody signed past 2010 now that Peavy is gone and they’re only locked into around $11 million next year.
Definitely a good argument.
the pirates might have payroll flexibility
But they aren’t going to use that flexibility until they’re closer to contention. I think they are making smart moves now but its going to take a long time. Mccutcheon is awesome and pedro alvarez might be the real deal but those guys are a few years away from their primes.
by Snake the Jake on Sep 23, 2009 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ankiel is on their radar according to a report on mlbtraderumors i saw ...
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
there might be some bargains
With the economy and all. Who expect Adam Dunn to sign so cheap with the Nats? He sure didn’t.
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I wouldn't count the Pirates out
they keep churning those players and accumulating prospects. They spend very little. They have to continue that strategy to continue to suck. When and if they stop, they can spend a little and end up with a pretty good team.
Call me crazy, but I think the Reds could contend next year.
I definitely think the Reds are closer to contending than several teams in the Majors
but I’m doubtful that they can contend next season without a major acquisition or two.
Definitely a good argument.
so is this really goodbye?
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 23, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
The Bucs intentionally blew up their team this year, with the idea that they would contend in 2011 or 2012. Perhaps that’s not realistic…but it’s probably more realistic than the Reds’ apparent plan to win now and build for the future.
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Pop Quiz
Who was the last Red with at least 500 PA to bat over .300 and post an OPS over .900?
Definitely a good argument.
The Justice Department doesn't look too kindly on cheaters, missy
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't?
I thought they made them Attorney General.
Or backup infielders for the Nationals. Or something like that.
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Eddie Taubensee?
or was it Junior?
Please tell me it wasn’t Larkin in ’96…
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
.....and he had 500 PA
which is the most shocking of any of those stats.
I was really hoping it hadn’t been 13 years since we had a season like that. That it’s been 4 years is bad enough.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well, we've had eight 900 OPS seasons in the 2000s
it just happens that Dunn never hit .300 and Griffey only hit .300 once.
Definitely a good argument.
Well at least Votto should end this streak
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
lasorda is one of my favorite baseball people of all time ...
he should have been the commish instead of selig
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
Don't ask whatever happened to Hawkman.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
sleep with anyone
that’s how Rehnquist made it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sleeping with Rehnquist might not be the best idea
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 23, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Ask them if they’re really watching my porn usage.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That THT article
Very different conclusions could be written from that article. Going back to 1901 to find 40 examples isn’t much of an argument that a .300 average isn’t a significant benchmark. Saying that the value of .300 averages varies greatly is one of those skyscraper sized straw men. Go back to 1901 and find someone who says differently.
wait...what?
ive read this 4 times and im still not sure what you are arguing.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
are you asking me?
or are you asking for clarification on what the article says?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The article seems to say no
The article could easily be used to support the argument that the answer is yes. And saying that there is different value among .300 BAs is worthless.
how is that worthless?
i didnt read it as a substantive take on the value of a .300 BA (i think the value of BA is past the point of discussion by now), i read it as a “hey, check this out. everyone likes a .300 BA, but these few guys actually hit .300 while being a below average hitter. neat huh?”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't read it that way
and saying that there is a difference among .300 batting averages is utterly and completely worthless because nobody exists who ever thought differently.
i wouldnt go that far
i’d say there are many who would still say .300 is a mark of a “good” season. of course, Juan Pierre’s .300 is different from Albert Pujols’ .300, but i think some, probably even most, old-timer baseball folks would say Pierre had a good season and site the BA as proof. what the article is saying is that there are some .300 seasons that were actually not good at all.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
most of the old benchmarks are telling on the extreme ends of the bell curves
It’s hard to hit .300, win 20 games or record 100 RBI and not have a valuable season. Similarly if a starting pitcher only wins 6 games or a batter hits .230 they most likely had a bad season. It’s easy to imagine the unlikely player whose value is misrepresented by these benchmarks and this article shows some real world examples.
It’s when people insist that the 16 win pitcher is necessarily superior to the 14 win pitcher, the .300 hitter to the .285 hitter that madness results.
Did Dunn Fuck Doc's daughter and not call her again?
1,051
Strikeouts for Nationals slugger Adam Dunn over the past six seasons.
Dunn is one of baseball’s most prolific power hitters, having smashed 40 or more home runs in each season from 2004 through 2008 (and 37 with two weeks to go in ‘09). He’s driven in over 100 runs in five of those seasons while also walking over 100 times each year. However when it comes to historic feats, the strikeout has been Dunn’s calling card. In the history of baseball, nobody has ever struck out more frequently during a six-year span than Dunn, who stands 185 strikeouts ahead of another mountain of a man, Philadelphia’s Ryan Howard, currently second over the last half-dozen seasons with 866 strikeouts. Only three times in major league history has a player struck out over 1,000 times during a six-year period and each time it’s been Dunn. From 2002 to 2007 Dunn struck out 1,018 times and from ’03 to ’08 he suffered through 1,012 whiffs.
The question is: How much does it matter? The K isnt the Scarlet Letter it used to be in MLB. Does Dunn’s prolific production overshadow the whiffs? Or do the Ks cost him lots of RBI and his team lots of runs? Weigh in, saber-dorks.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
you should provide a link and perhaps quotes
it’s common courtesy
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i know
i’m sorry i was in a hurray to get out for class, but i was so astounded by that… As a historian I should know better.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
link?
if you are gonna post a long segment written by somebody else, a link and a blockquote would probably be good.
Definitely a good argument.
Linky
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 23, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
I could have found the link on my own. That wasn’t the point.
BTW, how long is Doc going to go back to the Dunn well? And he’s glad that Mark Reynolds is not on his club? Yeah, cuz the last thing this team needs is a 3B with a .919 OPS.
Definitely a good argument.
Fine
I just wanted to linky dinky doo, damn you.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Could the Reds have gotten Reynolds for Dunn?
In case anyone didn’t read my Diamondbacks preview…yipes:
7) 3B Mark Reynolds (.239/.320/.458/613): Wishes he was Joey Votto. Can hit the ball hard, but he’s going to need to make more contact or walk more to make a carer out of it. Struck out 204 times last year, meaning that he struck out more than he has pounds on his body (200).
I also demanded that someone kidnap Conor Jackson and bring him to Cincinnati…glad I was wrong on that account, too.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I think I may have possibly been wrong on Drew Stumps
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
Did he actually say, "weigh in, saber-dorks" at the end?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Sep 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The saber-dorked tiger was quite common in prehistoric North America.
But rarely featured in elementary school texts.
IAN! I'm on traain!
a rare photo of the unfortunate monster
captured by a camera trap
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HEY now
That’s 1,051 times that he didn’t hit into a GBDP.
Cough cough…brandonphillips….cough cough.
Isn’t that the exact same number of at bats it took him to get a Sac-fly RBI?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Pujols needs to average one hit more per game than Hanley to potentially win the Triple Crown
I doubt he can do it, but that’s pretty damn impressive. He currently leads the NL in OBP, SLG, HR, Total Bases, Runs, RBI (tie), and walks. He’s second in batting average and doubles. Um, damn.
Definitely a good argument.
i sometimes wish i lived in St Louis
i feel like im missing out on watching the greatest player i’ll ever have a chance to see.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I do.
He’s pretty much unimpeachable around here. If I went into Busch and said “Albert Pujols sucks donkey balls.” I’d be killed before I got the “d” out.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
funny thing is
i dont know if i could blame them for it
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been intentionally walked 43 times
This is the complete list of Reds players who have walked more than 43 times overall this season:
Joey Votto
Definitely a good argument.
This could almost be a fanpost
Not many words, but that one statement speaks volumes.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Hey, I get that Stubbs is an improvement over Taveras, errr, Pipp
But, how is an improvement over Dickerson? All Chris did was play good CF defense and get on base. As it stands today, Drew has shown power and speed, but hes got a Taveras-esque .316 OBP and has a K/BB of more than 3 to 1. I don’t get the mad love for one player versus the other. Seems there should be a platoon next year to my eyes and let the player win.
I haven't heard anybody really say Stubbs over Dickerson outright
I think most people agree with you.
Definitely a good argument.
I'll say it
Stubbs is, and will be better than Dickerson.
I like Dickerson, I really do. I think they both can play and play well, but Stubbs is a better player outright.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Stubbs: 8 career home runs, 141 career at bats (ML)
Dickerson: 8 career home runs, 355 career at bats (ML)
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but Dickerson launched We Play Green
which is a much more important life stat. what kind of environmental impact has Stubbs made? zero…
He turned Taveras into Soylent Green
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if we're going to look at a small sample size
Dickerson: .285/.385/.442
Stubbs: .262/.316/.475
Dickerson hit a home run every 45 PA in the minors while Stubbs hit one every 65 plate appearances. And Dickerson had 6 HR in 122 PA last year. What’s to say that Stubbs won’t do what Dickerson has done this year and stop hitting home runs?
Definitely a good argument.
I know, I know....
its called “taking a stand.” You can’t take one AFTER they put up the numbers to prove it. It’s my hunch.
Their OBP rates are certainly different (BB%), but they’ve both been pretty proficient at striking out (at nearly a 1 to 1 K/game ratio).
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really care about strikeouts, especially from the lead-off spot
but if I had to pick, I’d probably pick Dickerson. I think he’s a better hitter right now, which gives him a head start.
Definitely a good argument.
but chicks dig the long ball!
How the hell else are we going to bring fans to the game?
We need to find a banker who’ll lend enough to Hef to buy the Reds.
If you build a team with Playboy bunny cheerleaders on the sidelines, they will come.
Obviously, no pun intended.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Sep 23, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
not me!
I like scrappy, hustling guys who play the game right!
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I agree that Dickerson is a better hitter right now....against righties, so at the least it should be a platoon
But let’s also not discount the age issue. Stubbs will be 25 to start next year, Dickerson 28. Dickerson will be in his ‘prime’ but is MUCH less likely to steadily improve.
And from a defensive and durability standpoint, the age difference gives the edge clearly to Stubbs. He’s already been worth 10 runs above replacement in CF this season. Small sample size and all, but that’s ridiculously good and will only get better.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
He's been worth 5 runs above replacement
and so far, Dickerson has been slightly better in CF (6.2). SSS.
The only clear advantages that I give to Stubbs over Dickerson are durability and hitting against left-handers. Otherwise, I choose Dickerson.
Definitely a good argument.
I imagine one of them is tradeable, given the team's needs
and that’s where nyc is right. Given their ceilings, Dickerson is a better trade option AND might have more value, given what he’s shown.
If the Reds were a good team without a $4 million dollar reserve OF, then I would imagine both would stay, but I imagine at some point this off-season there’s gonna be a package for something and Chris is more likely to be a part of than Willy or Drew (how bad does the Taveras contract look then? It was one year too many, he sucked, you can’t move him, and his guaranteed roster spot inspired you to package a 28 year old productive OF to make the roster work! Awesome move, Walt)
I like it when we agree.
Makes me happy.
Obviously, it’s not like I think one of them should killed or traded or released or something, but there seems to be this growing opinion that Stubbs is the 2010 CF and, well, I’ll say it, the K/BB makes me wonder how successful he’ll be*.
Talk about small sample size!!*
- That’s what she said
Between Dickerson and Stubbs, I feel confident in our centerfield
Just keep Taveras the hell out of there.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the "Stubbs for '10 CF" stuff is coming from Walt
i think i remember him intimating something along those lines last week.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, not even a
“well, lets see Dickerson when he gets healthy”
But Dickerson’s been disrespected pretty hard by this organization all his career. Let’s hope he builds on it. Or gets traded for Hanley.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Yeah, the one thing that Stubbs would clearly have over Dickerson is his durability
Which goes to hell as soon as Stubbs gets hurt.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A Russian billionaire is going to buy the NJ Nets
How soon until we can convince one (or perhaps a Dubai oil conglomerate) to start pumping millions of dollars into a Cincinnati baseball team? Oldest professional team in America, comrades!
i would love it
i would want prior knowledge though, so i could set up cameras to catch the spit takes from Marty, Doc, etc.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 23, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know if this has been discussed
or if it’s maybe even widely known, but the Reds aren’t really the oldest franchise. The old Reds picked up shop and moved to Boston, before picking up shop and moving to Milwaukee, before picking up shop and moving to Atlanta. It’s the Braves.
sorry if this is a known and purposely ignored fact.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I was purposely ignoring it
We have to make ourselves look more attractive to the Russians somehow. Going out of our way to change our name in the 50’s isn’t helping things.
(Fucking Braves.)
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks a lot boobs......
whats next you’re going to tell me theres no such thing as Santa ?
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Sep 23, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Hanigan isn't starting again
He’s only started once since last Thursday. I know they’re pairing up pitchers and catchers or something cute like that, but thre’s nothing to discover about Corky Miller that we don’t already know. If they goal is to find a backup, play Tatum every other day. If you’re trying to pointlessly win 75 games, I guess play Hanigan and Hernandez the rest of the way.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
the bad side
of having a “player’s manager.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I see what he's trying to do...
getting everyone in, and trying to play the match-ups. But I think it’s to the detriment of Hanigan, who plays a position that’s requires expertise borne of experience. He needs to get time in catching Homer Bailey, who’s actually going to be on the staff next year, in a real game situation that affords them a chance to work things out as a battery.
And I don’t know where the hell Wlad’s gone off to. He’s had 8 PAs since September 10.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 23, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
he’s trying very hard to get everyone in. That’s something Dusty is really bad at. Mind-bogglingly bad at.
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You're just being contrarian
I know he didn’t play Janish until A-Gon was traded, but do you really think McD and Nix starting and the 4 catcher rotation means all these guys are being considered for next year? Or that he’s going strictly on match-ups. He’s being the player’s manager AND putting over-emphasis on platoon splits.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 23, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
he’s trying to accommodate pitchers who want certain catchers.
In addition to all the rest.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
When we start having our discussion of The Machine
It will be interesting to note the ways in which Sparky Anderson was and wasn’t a player’s manager.
I remember I was surprised to learn that Sparky was the manager of the Big Red Machine. He was managing the Tigers when I first started getting interested in baseball, and I had no idea of his Reds affiliation. But then I learned, and thought, “Huh. Well, that makes sense.”
by Brendanukkah on Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Reds/Braves game I've ever been to, Bobby's gotten tossed.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
he also said he was retiring in 2008
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
by justin007000 on Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him more time to berate and beat the women in his life
If there any left…what a big time arrogant prick
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
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