Game 133 Thread: Pirates at Reds
by Slyde on Sep 2, 2009 11:13 AM EDT
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There are two big stories involved with this game. The first is the obvious one - the Reds are trying to sweep a 4-game series from the Pirates for the first time since July, 1992*. A win today would also give the Reds a 5-game winning streak against the Pirates, their longest since 1997. The Reds are 7-4 against the Pirates this season, with 8 more games remaining between the two teams including today's game.
* Technically, they did it in 1993 as well, but because the series started with a make up game double-header, it was actually a 5-game series, of which the Reds won the last 4 games.
The other big story today is attendance, as in how low will it go? The Reds have sold under 10,000 tickets in a single game twice in the history of GABP. Both have happened this season. The most recent one was two days ago in the night cap of the day-night double header when the Reds drew just 9,087 fans to the park. Can they possibly drop below 9,000 for a game? If that were to happen, I believe it would be the first time since September 29, 1987 that they have drawn that few at home, though I'm a little less than confident with the data.
If they do draw less than 9,000, it won't be the pitching matchup that is keeping fans away, though I suppose on paper it looks a bit like a mismatch. However, Homer Bailey has been pitching much better over his last two starts and he looks much more comfortable. He held the Pirates to just one run on 4 hits when he faced them 10 days ago. Hopefully he can continue to build on that success.
The day before Bailey's last start against the Pirates, Zach Duke did pretty much the same thing to the Reds, though he allowed 2 runs on 8 hits over 7 innings. The Reds offense has been performing much better since then though, so it'll be interesting to see if they are able to have a little more success off of Duke this time around.
It's an afternoon delight on another beautiful day for a ballgame. Let's make it a winning one!
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Reds Lineup
Stubbs CF
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Gomes RF
McDonald LF
Rosales 3B
Miller C
Bailey P
Remember when we were supposedly too lefty-heavy? Votto’s the only lefty in the lineup.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Why is Rolen not in the lineup?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Sep 2, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
teh Fay said he is checking
he was pulled in the 8th last night. I thought it was because of the blowout too. With an off-day tomorrow, resting him doesn’t make sense.
Rolen is clogging up the bases...
How are the Reds going to score runs when you have all these guys getting on base and just clogging up the bases. That is not how you score runs.
Rolen will sit in favor of a guy who knows how to play National league baseball.
Someone that drop the bunt to reach first, then move to second on a sac bunt from the following man in the line up. Then the player can steal third. Then he can be brought home by a sac fly from another player.
None of this is possible with Rolen on base clogging up the bases.
6-2, 185
Actually, I think it makes a fair amount of sense.
With older players, if you give them a game off next to an off day, they get 48 hours of straight rest. That’s especially good for a guy coming off the DL who still isn’t 100%.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
I think younger players would get the same amount of rest...
but I could be wrong there.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Darnell, why?
Where’s Wlad?
People always asking, 'Uncle Jemima, why you sell booze?' I say 'sell whatchu know' and I knows about booze.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Sep 2, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Dusty is going to do all within his power to get McDonald on the 2010 25 man.
Wadmore hits too many HRs…(Darnel will have to careful).
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I guess Dusty thinks 3 wins is enough for this series
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Two for three with a walk and a HR?
That guy needs a day off.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Doesn't he know that the "get away" game
generally applies the the losing, away team?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
To be fair
The Reds typically are losing, and he didn’t see very many Reds fans in the stands.
by Brendanukkah on Sep 2, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the most infuriating thing to me
Just play Wlad and Gomes the rest of the way. They might actually be positive contributors to next year’s team/
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Darnell has
EXPERIENCE. He is 30 and been around the league awhile. Wlad doesnt have that sort of experience.
Willy has that sort of experience. Can’t wait til he can come back to sure up the defense in CF and steal some bases.
6-2, 185
Ha, that's a good one...
/looks around nervously
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Sep 2, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
so let me get this straight
yesterday Micah Owings was the long man backing up Justin Lehr? Isn’t Micah Owings the future, and Justin Lehr the backstop? Kip Wells has another start this week? Why are the Reds wasting time with these guys, I realize Maloney was demoted due to procedural issues, but really the rotation ought to be Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, Maloney, and Owings. Maybe even shut Cueto down and make the rotation Arroyo, Bailey, Maloney, Owings, and Lecure. Stop wasting time with Justin Lehr, there is no future there. With all the young pitching Cincinnati has they shouldn’t even consider Justin Lehr opening next spring in the rotation. If they want to stock pile him in Louisville that is fine, but other then that…
Bloop
I'm not so sure that Micah Owings is the future
or that he’s healthy enough to pitch more than 3 innings at a time right now.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Why isn't he?
When not hurt, he’s been decent—obviously no ace, but a perfectly fine 4/5 starter. If he’s still hurt, why not just say that?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm only wondering if maybe the Reds don't consider him part of the future
not that he shouldn’t be.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
i'd be interested in an Owings/Lehr battle for a rotation spot next spring training.
Owings has given us exactly what a 5th starter should give us this season. So far, Lehr has given us slightly more than a 5th starter is supposed to. If i were in charge, I’d give Lehr the ball every fifth day to see what he’s made of. That’s probably what they’ll do since the remaining schedule is no cake walk. Lehr wasn’t pretty last night, but he has pitched well in his other starts.
Conversely, i hope they give Owings the rest of Kit Wells’ starts. I have no interest in an Owings/Wells battle for a rotation spot.
the problem is
we already know who Justin Lehr is. he’s 32. he’s already proved over the last 10 years to be nothing more than a AAAA pitcher. good teams dont waste time with guys like him. Owings is still only 26 (i think he’s 26) and has shown in his career so far that when healthy he can be as good as a #3, but usually he’s a #4-5. Lehr has been a good soldier, but we cant be giving chances to guys who wash out of the Korean League.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Lehr is a great AAA place holder, he is a professional, and a leader for young pitchers (i guess). But at best he will put up an ERA+ of 85 or so, at best. John Fay said at best he will be the next Steve Parris There is no upside here. At best he won’t hurt the team, at worst he gets shelled out of the league. Like I said if they can keep him in AAA great, he can be a decent spot starter. Owings, Maloney, LeCure, Wood, etc can all at least be league average starters, but we gotta see what they got. Lehr is the 26th man.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Sep 2, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i tend to agree with that way of thinking as well,
but there have been late bloomers in MLB before. also, 32 is not that old and I’m not even close to suggesting that he should be the Ace of the rotation for the next 5 years. maybe he’s got a good fluke year in him as a crafty ground ball pitcher.
i believe Lehr could be as good a 5th starter as Owings if given the chance. Owings stuff has never impressed me. while Lehr’s doesn’t blow me away either, he has shown good command and pitching ability that comes with a little more experience. i feel that Owings throws whereas Lehr pitches.
i can see, as comments start to flow in, that i’m in the minority here but i’m not embarrassed to show my confidence in Lehr. i’m also not a hardcore Sabermetrician like most of you, so i understand how much i’m exposing myself for a bombardment of “you don’t know shit”.
well, it's not that you dont know shit
it’s more like you dont know what the fuck you are talking about :)
re: Lehr’s control and pitching ability – he has more walks than Ks. 19 walks to 16 Ks. his ERA is a decent 4.43 right now, but it completely unsustainable given those numbers. and while you are right that Lehr could have a good fluke season in him, it’s also true that Kip Wells could win the Cy Young next year and Willy Taveras could swipe 100 bases. sure, it could happen.
the Reds have built their teams on “it could happen” guys like Lehr for way too long now, hoping to catch that one magic season where a bum turns into a beauty queen. it’s no slight on you, as you are only a product of your environment, but it really shows that you are a Reds fan when you think Justin Lehr could happen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah...Sabremetrics doesn't allow for much aberation to occur
Although from a sabremetric viewpoint Ownings doesn’t impress moi.
His career ERA of 5.08 and a whip of 1.41 show little signs of improving. His walks (58) to strike outs (65) in 2009 is not very comforting either.
He’s a talented athlete but a #5 at best. His best asset is his age. Justin Lehr is this season’s top IL pitcher and is now getting the job done at the MLB level consistently …his best asset is that he knows how to pitch…his only problem is his age and the back of his card.
I don’t care who gets the #5 slot…It could be Maloney, Lehr or some one not presently on the radar. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if its Owings.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I can't get too excited about Charles Larry
And I don’t think the Reds are, either.
He’s 32. His biggest claim to fame is earning a 162 ERA in winterball. (Eat that, Janish!) The Reds cared so little about him that they released him to sign with the Korean League last year. Where he crashed and burned and was released from their minor league system.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Oh, I didn't think you disagreed with me.
I just really don’t get it.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
my biggest concern about Micah is his health
maybe his future is in the bullpen, he doesn’t have great stuff, and we all know that guys with medicore stuff can become excellent work horses in middle relief (see Dave Weathers), but I mean let the guy continue to work out of the rotation this year. at the very least lets see a rotation of Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, Maloney, and LeCure, or shut Cueto down and put Wood in there.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Sep 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dusty seems to have decided that he doesn't like Micah.
I’m really not clear on WTF is going on there, but for whatever reason Dusty seems to think he belongs in the bullpen while guys like Wells and Lehr start.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Dusty
said Owings was sent to the pen because he “needs to work on some things.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
we should send Dusty to the 'pen
amirightfolks??
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That means Harang is our worst pitcher!
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was hurt for a while
I think he’s rehabbing right now.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
but what did he hurt
i realized he was injured, but was at an elbow injury, shoulder injury, testicle injury?
Bloop
by justin007000 on Sep 2, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He was on rehab last week in the GCL
No word yet on whether he’s joined the Mudcats yet, with only a week left in the season I’d be surprised if he did.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillips is gone
I don’t know if this was brought up last night, but from Hal’s blog, check out that last paragraph:
But my (left) wrist really does bother me," he continued. "Is that it? Is it cool? Is that cool? I’d have to sit out, sit on the bench, that’s the only thing that will make it better. And I won’t do that. So that’s why I’m talking to you all right now."
How about a cortisone shot?
"There is no bleeping chance," he said. "No bleeping chance."
As Phillips walked away, he said, "Now I guess I’ve saved some people’s jobs. And you know they made me say all this."
I don’t think management will take kindly to this. I think Phillips will be shopped hard in the offseason.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
Why do you think that?
He’s gotten away with plenty of stuff like this already, and who are they going to replace him with?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Todd Frazier
They’ve moved him to second base already, and I’m sure Walt and Jock would be more comfortable with the, um, complexion, of the team after the move.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i kept a close eye on Frazier at 2B last night
to see how he handled it, but no balls were hit to him. he “looks” more like a middle infielder than Valaika does though. that dude is a beast.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And they signed Dusty Baker because he's Norwegian?
I’m ain’t buyin what yer sellin.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
When Mr. Redlegs
posted about how angry the black and Hispanic players were at the special treatment Josh Hamilton got from Narron…I wondered if that’s when they decided they needed a manager with melanin.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i dont think it's that black and white (pardon the pun)
i think Bob just wanted a winning manager, and Dusty was available. i dont think it went any deeper than that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the actress said to the bishop
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
More like too pretentious
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
Even more than that, I think Bob wanted a "name brand" manager
I think Bob is totally stuck in the “professionalism” that Poz wrote about for SI.
He wants to be respected as an owner and has totally misguided ideas about how to get that respect.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I'm not suggesting
it’s the only reason he was hired, just that it may have been a factor.
I was reading about the rumors that Miguel Tejada tipped pitches. Johnny Damon defended him, but said suspicions arose because “the Dominican guys were killing us.”
It just seems like behind the clubhouse doors, things are a lot more racially charged than is apparent from the outside.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
wait
so the Reds are pushing BP to play with his wrist the way it is, just to try and reach 70 wins? is this what he is saying?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
He claims he wants to play. They’re just trying to rein him in. I think Fay’s interpretation makes sense.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What was Fay's reading of it?
it’s a peculiar situation, but I don’t think BP will suffer any serious blowback
Not sure
I think they made him say he doesn’t have a fracture so their medical staff doesn’t look as bad. I don’t know. And I think BP wants to play….like he said before, he can’t let someone steal his job.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Sep 2, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that BP thinks he needs to play another 2 weeks to cement his Gold Glove chances.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
I have wondered if he will get it again this year
It seems like he hasn’t made as many awesome plays… not that he isn’t amazing, the plays just seem less frequent.
Then again, he has been hurt most of the year and I may have just gotten used to it.
Does he get the gold glove again this year? Does Paul Janish get a gold glove next year if he plays all year?
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Orlando Hudson gets the Gold Glove...
L.A. press and a playoff appearance carry the day.
However, Jonny Gomes wins the Golden Gloves 
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
BP is great
he’s one of those guys whose first instincts are vaguely conspiratorial and confrontational, but who have just enough social perspective that they’re second instincts are either ecumenical or resigning.
Almost everything he says to the press can be broken down that way.
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
$30 for the rest of the season?
Not a bad deal— I’ve enjoyed it so far. Two negatives:
1) I can’t stay in the Game Thread because MLB.TV is about 2.34 minutes behind “real time”
2) The Reds don’t win very much
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Sep 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing much you can do about #2...
But I’ve avoided the hi-def to deal with #1. The lower quality feed has much much less lag.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Hmmm-- worth a try!
It’s been hard not being in the midst of the scintillating RR intellects.
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Sep 2, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had known of that major flaw with "NexDef"
I wouldn’t have paid for Premium.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You gotta have a really sweet computer and a crazy fast connection for it to be worth it
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I have a good connection and all
but it’s still lagged to hell.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
um
you pretty much can’t watch Reds games on MLB.tv if you live in the cincinnati area
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
ooooohhhhh crap
massive internet fail
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, don't you live near Cincy?
You’ll never be able to watch Reds games. See the map.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You don't need a proxy server to get Gameday Audio.
That stuff isn’t blacked out.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
proxies do work
Even on Saturdays, during the Fox uber-blackouts.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Janish bunting.
Sigh. It’s too bad there’s no way to get Stubbs to second without giving up an out.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
but there is a way to get him out and Janish at the same time!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He and Janish, both, have turned it on for a week or so...
Maybe it’s just the Pirates are that bad…
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Sep 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
In Janish's "defense"
since I got MLB.TV, I’ve gotten to see what you all have been talking about: he plays a mean shortstop!
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Sep 2, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I'm better than Taveras
but you’re right, he seems to be making some adjustments. I just hope he can avoid the strikeouts. That’s going to be the biggest factor deciding whether he can be good or not.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I know for a fact
That I’m better than Taveras at the plate and in center. He might not be any faster either. I think that’s why I hate him so much.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Whoa, there's a game going on?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
describe, si vou plait.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
damnit, even in french I typo
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
It's S'il vous plaît...
but yeah, he singled to center, and Votto was waved home from second. He kept running and got caught in a rundown when the throw went to second.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I know, I rushed it
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
sí, algunos de nosotros no están mirando
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Crap I missed all the balk goodness
walks are just as good as singles obviously. Causes runs to score! I think Dusty and Jacoby preach aggressiveness far too much
No, the Reds have terrible human resources
So do the Pirates.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this Sheldon in the booth?
They’re talking about Owings—he just said that they gave him a chance as a starter, and “it didn’t work out.” Seriously?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
that is silly
Owings had some bad starts but do we even need to start talking about all the bad starts that have occurred?
I wouldn't have a huge problem with moving Owings to the pen
If we had anyone better to assume his spot. I think this might foreshadow another ill-advised offseason trade or bargain bin pickup.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can pretty much count on Wells, Lehr, or both being signed to major league contracts in the offseason
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I mean, I basically agree with Madville above.
He hasn’t shown amazing stuff, but he’s also been a decently solid #5 (when not hurt). But given the options they’re trying out, I’m doubting they can do any better. I just wish I understood why they think he’s not an option as a starter.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That's what it sounded like.
I feel like I missed something. But given that this all seems to be coming from Dusty, I’m doubtful that that’s actually the case.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Since this isn't really long enough for a FanPost, but as a follow up to mine about Wlad a couple weeks ago:
Since coming over he’s hitting .271/.370/.414 in 81 PAs.
His K rate is 21% and his BB rate is 13.5%
He hasn’t shown as much power yet, but you gotta think with regular playing time it would surface. Huge power has been the one consistent part of his game his whole career.
The point is, still a small sample size, but the kid is showing real promise, and I don’t understand why they won’t get him as many PAs as possible this season to see if he’s worthy of the everyday LF job next year.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Exactly
There’s gotta come a point where Walt tells Dusty, “I don’t care about your man crush on Laynce Nix or McFlurry, Wlad could be the future, and if you want to keep your job next year he better play everyday so I have something to base my decisions on. If you keep playing Nix and McFlurry I’m going to take them off the roster like I took Willy away from you, bitch”
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that
Lehr, Wells and McDonald are the new class of Dusty’s veteran pet players and at least one of them cracks the lineup for next year, which would be at least one too many.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you waste time on a guy who strikes out a lot?
Especially when you’ve got C-Dick, T-Virus and Doofus McJockstrap fighting it out for CF ?
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Ummmmm,
Gomes K rate: 34%
Nix K rate: 27%
I’ll take Wlad, thanks
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I'm not orried about Gomes' K rate
given his power output and, according to Hal, he is under the tutelage of our verteran third basemen to avoid so many strikeouts. Maybe Rolen is the newhitting coach too. Firing Jacoby would save a few bucks
lol that is a new typo for me
if it makes it seem better, pretend I was going for the Scottish accent
I'm not that worried about Gomes' K rate either
I am worried about his defense, his platoon splits, and his cost next year.
Wlad’s a better option in all three ways
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Say what?
Balentien 2009 splits: .171/.247/.303 vs. LHP, .262/.331/.409 vs. RHP
Gomes 2009 splits: .338/.407/.597 vs. LHP, .257/.335/.544 vs. RHP
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Ok, that's only 85 PAs
In his minor league career he had an OPS of .812 vs lefties agains .867 vs righties.
He’d actually not make a bad platoon partner with Gomes, although it would be two righties and therefore if the idea was presented to Dusty his head would explode.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Are you talking about Balentien?
I’m not reading too much into those numbers, but I’m also not seeing Gomes’s huge platoon splits.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
(Yes I was) Gomes has been great against righties this year, and I would love it if he could keep it up
But his career numbers suggest otherwise. Who knows, hopefully he’s turned a corner
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Gomes splits, career MLB
vs RHP: .225/.313/.444
vs. LHP: .277/.375/.523
His splits aren’t so bad that I’d block him as an option in LF, especially given how well he’s hit RHP this year. And if he provides a legitimate power bat from the right-side, I can tolerate his defense if it’s the only weak spot on the field, which it would be.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Don't we have him under team control for another year?
So how would his cost be a factor?
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wlad will still cost league minimum
Gomes is arb eligible and could probably demand $3-5 million
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Given his response
I have a feeling that Mads is talking about Stubbs
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
who are you talking about?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
haha, gameday agrees with you
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I'm heading out for a while
Make sure Homer gets a few more strikeouts while I’m gone.
That reminds me, how unethical would it be for me to go down to the park and attempt to tip pitches for our batters? Would anyone really mind? lol I could pay the Pirates picthing coach a few bucks and some candy bars to tell me what they are going to throw.
Damnit, why are they trying to steal?
they should be bunting!!!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
That was it
and the thought that he’ll most certainly be here again next season. It strikes me sometimes that he’ll continue to ruin my enjoyment of many Reds games for quite some time yet.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
Should we start a Dusty Baker games remaining countdown?
Coming into today, the count is 29+162=191 games remaining on his contract.
Wow, that sounds like a lot. But I like the idea that each game brings us closer to the end.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
you shut your mouth with that filthy talk
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Fuck you.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
somebody check that 3B coach
is Mark Berry in disguise?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Homer's dealin a little bit
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
nevermind, posted that before I saw how the third out was made
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
?
Hahaha, I love that somebody asked
why catchers are always placed in the bottom of the lineup.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Is that a rule?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Marty thinks Nick Lachey is first class
somehow this doesn’t convince me.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
First class reject
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
i dropped my wife off at his concert in indy a couple of years ago ....
many more hot 18-25 year old women then i thought there would be
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
that was quick
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
tie game
home run Brandon Moss
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Homer likes Win Probability Charts with lots of zigs and zags
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I don't think I've ever seen
the bases-occupied graphic so consistently wrong for this long before. Impressive.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You might like this one regarding Breast enhancement:
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Please elaborate on "Free Holes."
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Silence, cracker.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
*Ks
Also, please someone get Votto a hit.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take SWORDS for 400, Alex.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
I happen to think that most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
You ever drunk Irn-Bru?
Scariest. Shit. Ever.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Irn Bru tastes liquid bubble yum
but i kind of crave it every once in a while
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
/cement mixer'ed
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Nah
It’s all based on doing enough damage to your innards that the sweet embrace of death is hastened substantially.
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
it's been pretty common lately
word is that he’s adjusted his mechanics based on some help from a coach at the University of Texas.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Should he have caught it?
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Bet Wlad would've caught it :-)
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Ryan Freel would have caught it.
If it was chlamydia.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Only if Norris Hopper put it in his glove
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Sep 2, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
TATER!
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
What has gotten into this guy?
If he can hit for power at this level, he’s going to be a HUGE asset to this team
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
LIGHT TOWER POWER!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
STUBBBBBBBBBBBBBBS
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
back and forth
Stubbs ties it up with his 4th HR
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Stubbs has homered in 3 straight, right?
And he’s gone to RF, CF, and LF, correct?
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
didn't homer yesterday
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Can we just cut Willy T now??
There is no reason that guy should play another inning of CF in a Cincinnati Reds’ uniform. We have our next center fielder.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
You would think that the display that Stubbs has put on would cause a release
But somehow I don’t see it happening still… he may not start next year… but he’ll still be here
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
but small sample size.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I feel like I am cheating on Dickerson
for liking Stubbs so much.
Sorry Chris but you picked a bad year to get hurt.
I have a feeling that getting hurt will be the big problem with Dickerson
but I’d love him as the 4th outfielder filling time in LF and CF.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I think Dusty put a curse on Chris
but going on the DL taking a long stride to first is not a good sign for your long term durability.
he's been hurt several times in the minors
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Having Dickerson and Stubbs by rights should seal Willy's fate
Especially if they think Heisey is in the mix
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but....
The sample size for Willy was pretty large and extraordinarily consistent. Even if you account for the small sample size of Stubbs, I still think there is a statistically significant difference between the two. But then again…. I never got stats.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
Vottomatic Double!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Stubbs
now has more HRs in 69 big league ABs than he did in 411 minor league ABs this year. Jeebus.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
This has happened before (power developing at MLB level), but I don't remember that late bloomer's name...
Anyone?
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
I definitely think the HRs are a small sample issue
I think he’s a better hitter than Taveras, but I wouldn’t say that his power has necessarily developed. He’s just hit a hot streak.
As for the player in question, I have no idea.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I agree with Slyde.
The player I was thinking of was Don Mattingly.
His home run power developed after his arrival in the majors and he went on to set a couple of impressive longball records in 1986.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Also helps that you can piss over the walls at GABP
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
At least 3 of Stubbs' homers have been legitimate. The one today was 15 feet past the CF fence, which isn't shallow
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
True, but he has as many HRs in 69 ABs as Taveras does in 1372 PAs
I’d say there’s a significant power difference there
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
no argument here
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
its pretty amazing Stubbs wasnt 100% football
growing up in Texas. 6-4- he has to be sub 4.5 40. He looks like a white Chris Henry- without the proclivity to committ crimes wearing your own jersey.
what a dated, stupid-ass comment
besides, we all know no white dude can ball out like 15.
Colin Auscapee: RR Emeritus Par Excellence, OB-GYN Esquire III
by Colin Auscapee on Sep 2, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So we have outfield prospects next year of
C-Dick
Bruce
Wlad
Gomes
Stubbs
T-Virus (hopefully not)
Heisey?
That is an awesome surplus to have
DO NOT FORGET LAYNCE
He’s better that Virus and C-Dick…and prolly Wadmore
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Homer Bailey better not pitch in the 7th inning
He has 109 pitches already.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I'll bet you 100 dollars he does
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
2 batters, then lifted in 7th.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Yup.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
I'm begging that he comes to bat this inning.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
What makes you think Dusty would pinch-hit for him?
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
so if this is the real homer bailey
it will soften the blow of losing Volquez
Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, Owings/Maloney/Wood/LeCure/Free Agent
If the Reds could find a big time pitcher to push all those guys down a slot, and fill the whole in left field, next year may not be a disastor. I want Santana to lead the Reds rotation next year, get it done.
Bloop
I don't see how it wouldn't be Owings in that fifth spot (or possibly Lehr as a dark horse)
I’m sure they don’t think Wood is ready and every other internal or free agent option would be inferior. The only other possibility is a stupid trade. I put that at even odds.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No reason Homer should come out for the top of 7th
no reason. no reason.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He already has the win, right?
Its not like the bullpen needs rest, can Owings go two long man stints, two nights in a row?
what the hell, dusty?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I'll take my payment via paypal please :-)
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Except for the fact that Homer wants him to
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
More than the divorced dad who only sees his kid on weekends
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
More than Toe Nash's prison bitch.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
"dad, can i go outside?"
“do i have to get up?”
“no.”
“then knock yourself out.”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dusty Baker loves him some double switches
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
So, all in all, another good outing for Homer
He’s starting to give me a little hope for next year.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Me too unfortunately
I’m trying to just make my self believe we will suck next year no matter what
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
wowza-
just checking in- still have one class + work…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Why don't you come back when you have no class?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
i didnt think you could even sign into RR
if you had class
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure I can...
Wi-Fi and all that jazz… easy- no proxy needed.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
crolfer didn't get it
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
wow look at Stubbs and his
.271 BA. I was wondering if he’d get that high
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
well, it's not like .271 is really that high
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He might...if he happened by Madville's house.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Dude...come on over...I still have one blunt left
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Seems like Rhodes and Masset are the only
relievers in the pen
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Sep 2, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
I was completely wrong about Masset.
Sorry, Nick. You’ve got some game after all.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
Darnel McDonald keeps getting hits and that is really annoying.
Stumps on the other hand is a refreshing option…
Next year maybe?
Stumps
Jannish
Votto
Gomes
Rolen
Phillips
Bruce
Hanigan
SP
With assorted other players on the bench and in the pitching roles.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Unless we trade for JJ Hardy, I actually really like that lineup
Except we all know BP will be hitting 4th and Bruce should be higher than 7th
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Who would have though Janish would actually be a decent 2 hitter?
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Small Sample Size, the Pirates-factor, hitting in front of Votto...
Which is doing the most to make Janish look like a legit 2 hitter?
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
OOPS Gots to Go
Must pick up the Fab Mrs. M. from work…then off to Bowling…bring us a winner Red_Noodle…
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Own it, Mads.
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
You say as he gets 3rd on a wild pitch
by wishfuldrifter on Sep 2, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all well and good...
He’s certainly aggressive. But he also has been thrown out once, and almost a second time, simply because he wasn’t paying attention.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Cordero's coming in, right?
It’s a save situation, after all.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
The closeup of that woman's toenails...
was kind of creepy.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I mentioned this before, but it still amazes me.
After the off day tomorrow, the Reds have games on 17 consecutive days.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Good thing they're planning to expand the roster!
Oh, wait
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Viola!
"He's bending over, trying to rub it out." - Dodger broadcaster Charlie Steiner, speaking of Brandon Phillips' calf cramp.
We'd better be getting blown out in the 4th inning a couple of times,
or he’s not seeing any action
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
good thing for you there is no such thing
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I know it's only the Pirates
But it seems like the Reds are playing way better now than they have been. A 4-game sweep including a double-header is pretty impressive against any team.
and they just swept the Brewers last week
hooray for raising Front Office false hope for next year!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 2, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Mike Brown cornered the market on late season false hope
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
And just a bloop hit away from taking the series from the Dodgers on Sunday...
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
yes.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Sep 2, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I set myself up for that one
must have been pretty good I think I heard Marty say he had 8 ks or something
how about this for next year
Lineup
CF-Stubbs
C-Hanaigan
1B-Votto
LF-Holliday
3B-Rollen
2B-Phillips
RF-Bruce
SS-Janish
Bench:
Gomes
Dickerson
Sutton
Rosey
Tatum
Rotation:
Harang
Buehrle
Cueto
Arroyo
Bailey
Bullpen
Masset
Rhodes
Fisher
Owings
Bray?
Burton?
Viola?
Ramram?
Juick
AAA Rotation
Maloney
Wood
Lecure
Lehr
That is some nice depth, plus the Reds can throw EV in the bullpen in August if he is ready.
I am making an assumption that the White Sox may be ready to unload, and and Buehrle is in the final year of his contract, and could be nice one year rental for a decent price, and the Reds can let him go free agent and replace him in the rotation with Volquez in 2011.
Holliday is more of a wet dream, but he can’t be gotten, keep Coco, and make LF a Dickerson/Gomes platon, and make the T-virus an expensive 5th outfielder.
Bloop
it's not bad, but ...
i’d rather have miller than tatum if anything than for his veteran presence.
holliday/buehrle won’t happen, and i think you kind of know that, so i agree that you platoon cdick and gomes in lf.
you forgot DRH in the bully … he’d better be here next year, for i just received a $200 DRH jersey.
i’m fine with a rotation of harang, arroyo, bailey, cueto, and lehr.
"Some times you get lucky; some times you get Willy Taveras." - Teh Fay
Home from Bowling where the BAMM (Brian, Alex, Mark and Mads) crush the opposition.
Details to follow.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
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