Reds Trade David Weathers to the Brewers for a Player to Be Named
by Slyde on Aug 9, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
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PrintThe Reds today traded right-handed reliever David Weathers to the Milwaukee Brewers in exchange for the always exciting Player to Be Named Later. Typically that player who has yet to be named tends to be someone of little consequence, but occasionally they can be someone who is locked out of a current deal because of certain requirements, such as a 2008 draftee who hasn't reached the 1-year date of his official signing, or an injured player who needs to be checked out. I'm guessing it's more a matter of the basic rules in which the Reds have chosen a set of players to evaluate and will eventually pick the acquisition from that group. Given that Weathers is a reliever, I wouldn't expect a major prospect to be included in the deal.
The departure of David Weathers leaves Aaron Harang as the sole remaining player from the Reds 2005 season. That's not Pittsburgh Pirate type turnover, but it is quite telling about this organization that they have basically recycled the entire roster and still can't win.
Despite a reputation as being a dangerous pitcher out of the bullpen for the Reds, Weathers actually has managed some very good numbers during his 4.5 year stint with the team. He was 20-23 with 61 saves in his most recent stint, posting a 3.56 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP in 325 games. His biggest downfall reputation-wise was his inability to go an entire outing without allowing a base runner. In those 325 games, Weathers allowed a base runner in 223 of them. For somebody regularly pitching in the 8th or 9th inning, that tends to wear on the nerves. This is mainly why most of us have been asking for a Weathers trade for the last couple of years. Eventually, if you keep playing with fire, you are going to get burned.
With Weathers out of the pen, expect to see Nick Masset move up as the primary right-handed set up man for the 8th inning. I also suspect that we'll see Pedro Viola get the call up, unless the Reds simply pull Micah Owings off of the DL and put him in the pen. As noted in the comments, Jared Burton will be brought off of the DL to take Weathers' spot on the roster. Either way, I don't see this move as making a significant impact on the current roster, with the primary positive outcome being that the Reds save about $1.5 million.
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Burton?
I’d say Burton gets his spot in STL tomorrow night, he can be activated.
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from the fay
The Reds traded David Weathers to the Milwaukee Brewers for a player-to-be-named.
The Reds have a pool of players to pick from. They are young players. The club has until Oct. 15 to decide. If they choose not to take any of the players, they’ll get cash instead.
This means that the right-handed setup job is open.
"We’ve got (Jared) Burton coming back," Walt Jocketty said. "We going to start using younger guys and giving them an opportunity."
Burton, who is on minor league rehab, will join the Reds tomorrow in St. Louis.
Weathers was told before the game.
"Initially, you’re excited to go to a team that has a good shot at the playoffs," Weathers said, "to get back into the atmosphere. I’ve already played for Milwaukee. I really enjoyed Milwaukee. I’m excited to go there. I’ll be reunited with Billy Castro, one of my best friends in baseball, and Todd Coffey.
"But our family had adopted the Reds organization. I really thought it was where I’d end my career. But, in this game, things don’t go like you plan them.
"We’re going to miss Cincinnati, my family and I. They’ve been very good to us. The city’s been very good to us. I love my teammates.
"It’s a good day. But to be honest, it’s tough day emotionally because you form a lot of bonds with guys you’ve been with five, six years. You don’t find that every day, especially in this game.
"As excited as I am to get that race, at the same time, I’m sad that I leaving. My kids are very upset about not being able to be with the people they know."
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Glad you beat me to it. I almost double posted this
I’m betting they end up taking the cash.
I’ll miss Weathers. Not his pitching, but his comments, etc. I’m glad they wised up and traded him while he had a litte value, but I appreciate his time and contributions to the team.
It’s easy to forget, but in 2006 he was the only pitcher in the bullpen that could get anyone out, and he always talked to the media like a man when the bullpen imploded.
Good luck, Stormy.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
"I’ll be reunited with Billy Castro, one of my best friends in baseball, and Todd Coffey..."
“…that know-nothing ginger.”
I just think the “oh yeah, and Todd” bit is kinda funny
I'll miss ya Stormy
i think he’ll fit in just fine in Milwaukee.
stay away from the south side!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 9, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
WOOT!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t the the door hit you in your fat head in the way out.
To better sum up David’s caareer with the Reda and why we don’t like him . . . We cannot have pitchers on the major league roster who do not have good enough stuff to get hitters out by throwing strikes. Weathers lived with junk outside and I’ll be damned if hitters didn’t chase and chase and chase again. But when that pitch floats back into the strike zone . . . look out. We cannot have that type of pitcher on the team, and certainly shouldn’t be pitching in th 8th inning.
Christ, this is a relief. Please Walt don’t re-acquire this boob in the offseason.
by Brian B on Aug 9, 2009 5:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I always liked Weathers
He and Rhodes were especially good this year until things began to completely fall apart with the starting rotation.
i am glad that he was traded the timing is right. good luck to him. I’d love to have him back as a coach.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
the same boob with the 3.53 ERA
Honestly, I can’t say I agree with you with often, Brian, but this post is over the top for being abrasive for a guy doing his job year after year. You think you’re mad at for the Pujols homer? His replacement likes to juice straight 94 mph heaters down the pipe to Manny. I can’t see how this does except save the team money. I’ll miss David for his fothright comments and his ability to somehow get three outs with sinkers and changes.
Add that to the list of differences between you and me
Weathers = your team. Nothing personal.
by Brian B on Aug 9, 2009 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
God I hope not
although David might take offense if he took the time to read the blog instead of packing! Since that won’t happen, I think we’re safe.
the guy who was the only redeeming factor in the 2007 bullpen
wow you are very harsh. This guy was a horse for the Reds, was he Rivera or Hoffman? No, but he was a steady and fine relief pitcher, the Reds are right to trade him, because a 39 year old relief pitcher is not what they need, but he was more than serviceable. Weathers put up an ERA+ of 113 with Cincinnati. Take Weathers out of the equation and 2007 would have been even uglier, after the dreaded 8th inning ended, there would have been the dreaded 9th. He had a fucking rubber arm, every bullpen could use a David Weathers.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it almost has to be a PTBNL
If they name him now, he has to clear waivers. Which is unlikely unless they are really expensive or really awful.
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Yep. It could be someone on the DL, but
unlikely. Brewers currently on the DL are Hart, Weeks, Suppan, Riske, McClung and Bush. I don’t see the Brewers dealing any of those guys, although Weeks might be fun if the Reds are serious about moving Phillips to SS. Most likely a minor leaguer with some tools but not a top prospect.
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 9, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
fire!
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Aug 10, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hell, I'd take any of them including Bush or McClung
but there’s no way, a two month rental of an average reliever earns the reds anything special. Personally, I hope Weathers inspires the whole Brewer team to come back and beat the disgusting Cards and Cubs.
Wasn't Owings' trade delayed initially because he was on the DL?
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by PeteyHendrix on Aug 10, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there isn't much to say about this deal.
Reds dumping some salary and saving a few bucks, he won’t be missed in the bullpen this year with the team out of the race, and he was probably gone after the season anyway, but now we don’t have to pay his buyout. Happy trails, Stormy.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
I liked the part about the youngsters getting to play
Now, we’ll see if nutDuster lets it happen.
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I think it's a good moved
but now I’m bummed out by the comments, sound slike he liked it here. Leave it to Weathers to not let anything be easy! I hope everything goes well for him and his family up in Milwaukee. He’ll visit Cincy more often than he probably wants to anyhow on roadtrips.
What I have to say about Weathers
He’s better than most at his job, given his age that’s a hell of an accomplishment. I always respected his honesty in his comments to the media.
1. Reds should have traded him last year at the dealine or the year before that.
2. Reds should have not offered him arbitration. At 39 the best he was going to get was 1 year 4 million.
by Dave from Louisville on Aug 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions
If they couldn't have worked out a trade
I would bet given our bullpen depth, they would have let it be a straight claim.
The PTBNL gives GM’s a discrete way to dump salary, because you can’t judge if it’s a salary dump or not until later.
by Dave from Louisville on Aug 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
It doesn’t matter what we get in return, because this deal is an obvious salary dump. The Brewers give the Reds some salary relief and in return get a veteran reliever. That’s the deal, the PTBNL is irrelevant.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 9, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But it could be like going out without jch and obc and having Slyde pick up the check
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I am in favor of this scenario
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Hey - we'd not go out without you and obc - it was just a misplaced metaphor
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George Carlin
I don't think you can say that conclusively.
As someone else mentioned, every waiver trade is a PTBNL because that guy has to clear waivers too, right? Wasn’t that the deal with Owings?
I don't think they have to clear waivers unless they're on the 40-man
someone correct me if I’m wrong.
or, since its near the end of the season
the Brewers wanted him really bad for the postseason run, and they’ll figure out the rest of the trade later. It’s just important to them to get the bullpen arm NOW.
The Reds tried this a few years ago with Estes and Dempster, fwiw
They're more in contention that the Reds are.
I’d rather be there than here as a player if it’s my last season.. It’s a no-lose for the Reds, regardless.
Why didn't they do it at the deadline then?
To give us less in return? It’s baffling to me that we moved Weathers now. If he was in demand, why not move him when more teams wanted him?
It's arguable that more teams wanted him now
since the number of relievers who can be traded now is probably fewer (Heath Bell, one popular target of rumors pre-deadline, for example, has probably no chance of clearing waivers)
Because he was never in demand
Not this year, not last year. Playoff teams are looking for more than just smoke and mirrors down the stretch.
by Brian B on Aug 10, 2009 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Reds didn't want Weathers to return
if he hit free agency a year prior, he would have received a better contract from another team, than he received from the Reds in arbitration. He was a victim of the economy, teams realized they can’t afford to give a guy like Weathers $4-5M.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 10, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I still say walt will end up taking cash
No way any of the players on the list are prospects
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by nycredsfan on Aug 9, 2009 9:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Since Weathers had to clear waivers...
This means that the Brewers value him significantly more than anybody else does, right?
If I’m thinking about this correctly, any other team could have picked him up for the salary due, but the Brewers are giving up that, plus a player or salary. Why do they want him so badly?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
hmmm
This means that the Brewers value him significantly more than anybody else does, right?
Not necessarily. Other teams may have been interested, but if was a straight waiver claim, the team with the worst record would get him. If you’re not the worst team, you have to offer something.
Though it’s likely the Reds weren’t really going to release him. You can put a player on waivers, then pull him back. The Red Sox used to do that with Manny.
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I mean, 3.32 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
The dude ain’t shabby. And if you’re a team that has ~150IP from Carlos Villanueva (6.05 ERA), Seth McClung (5.03), and the one, the only, Mike Burns (5.89), Stormy doesn’t look too bad.
Anyone else upset that our Reds are now looking up at the FUCKING BREWERS for Christ’s sake?
Mike Burns is still in the big leagues?
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure is - I just got his latest bobblehead
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Only NL teams with a worse record than Milwaukee passed on Weathers
The order is first league of the posting team, then record. So a better NL team or any AL team may have put in a claim, but we don’t know. For 1.4M (about 1M salary for the rest of this year and a .4M buyout on his 2010 option), Weathers isn’t a terrible gamble. He’s gotta be better than the worst reliever on most teams.
Agreed about Weathers
Not a terrible gamble. Better than a lot of major league pitchers. Yet not quite good enough to get much in return this year. Shoulda dealt him before both of the last two trading deadlines.
"He didn't look right"
Whatever that means. They put him back on the DL.
Speaking of which, I just saw Fay’s post about Rolen. Jeez. You gotta wonder if they know what they’re doing. They said he didn’t have a concussion…now he does.
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They have no fucking clue.
They should have DL’d him and gotten the diagnosis right the first time. I guess they only get how to use the DL in the minors.
What happened?
I wondered why Janish was put in. I thought he was a LIDR.
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NVM might be wrong...
They were talking about “strange” ejections.. someone got ejected in the field today right?
They did show the A-Gon ejection
which was lackluste rcompared to the last Weathers ejection, or the last Votto ejection which was exciting.
I heard Karl Ravitch yesterday say
(after 15 minutes of solid 8 hours too early BoSox/Yanks pre-game…I mean it was 11 am EDT for God’s sake) “When we come back from the break, we check into the rest of Majors, because there are other teams in the League.”
I was shocked. i had no idea anyone at ESPN knew that. I suppose he meant the Mets and Dodgers, but, hell, progress is slow and steady
You ever try to explain GWAR to a person
who has no idea who GWAR is? It’s probably as close as you’ll get to speaking in a foreign language while using English.
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by Man Mountain on Aug 9, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that some kind of newfangled sabermetric stat?
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by BK on Aug 9, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, that's what I thought at first too
Then I remembered my best friend in 2nd grade loved GWAR. Didn’t realize then how odd that was.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 9, 2009 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is he in jail right now?
That’s fucked up man.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
Probably
Last I talked to him was like 12 years ago in HS marching band—he played the euphonium, and we all know where that usually leads
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by nycredsfan on Aug 10, 2009 12:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My sister saw them live in 2007(?) and got to be eaten by the World Maggot.
I was totally jealous.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 10, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
J.J. Hardy
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 9, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah right
I’m telling you, it’s going to be some low-a starter or just the cash
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by nycredsfan on Aug 10, 2009 12:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its got to be something more than just salary dump
Stormy was going to be a type B free agent , possibly an A with his numbers. So isn’t it logical that we could demand AT LEAST what we could get as draft compensation?I think that we could get a prospect in return for him.
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Thank the good Lord
He may be a nice guy, but I was sick and tired of watching him.
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
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