Red Reposter - 8/28/09
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
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Did you know Bronson Arroyo has been the best pitcher in the majors the past month?
Yeah, it's a small sample size, but I bet there are a number of teams out there that wish they had ponied up the cash and a middle prospect to get him for their playoff run. That's fine though, I'm happy to have him. -
Speaking of Goodroyo
Take a look at this. He wants to stay in Cincy and go to the playoffs next season. That's a good thing. I wouldnt want him to say otherwise, of course. But then he says, "Let’s see if we can get into the playoffs, man. We’ve been trying since I got here in 2006, and I would like to give it one more try," Arroyo said. "The thing is, if you really look at it, I’m the only guy on this team that has taken the ball every time, every turn, and I’ve never been on the disabled list. If you really want to win, you have to have that consistency in your rotation. So to me, there is no reason to pick up Scott Rolen if you are going to ditch me," he said. I am so glad that he's our pitcher and not our GM. -
Just as we expected
The Reds are trying to keep the Louisville team intact until their playoff run is over. And Jocketty is confident that Mike Leake will pitch in the AFL. He says the rosters were set before he was signed, but doesnt the same apply to Steven Strasburg? Sounds weird. -
Matt Maloney will come up from AAA to pitch for the Reds tomorrow
which seems a bit strange to me. I thought we were trying to keep the Bats together for their playoff run? And what's so wrong about Micah Owings getting the start? I'm so tired of being constantly confused by this team's course of action. -
Scott Rolen is feeling physically better after his concussion
but in the batter's box he's still trying to get his timing down. "His stroke is getting better and better every day. His timing is getting better," Reds manager Dusty Baker said. Probably not cool to talk about a concussion victim's "stroke", but Dusty Baker has always been his own man. -
THT takes a look back at the SI MLB season preview to the '07 season
They had a feature on the young players who would be making an impact in the near future, and if you remember, Ol' Hoss Homer Bailey featured prominently. 'Course, things havent turned out as well as we'd hoped for him. They suggest a move to the 'pen, like the Yankees did with Phil Hughes. Because Homer will be out of options next season and he cant seem to master an offspeed pitch, I think the move could be good for him. -
And so begins the end to Drew Stubbs' once-promising baseball career
Asked if Stubbs might be trying too hard to make an impression, Baker said, "I don't think so. He is taking too many pitches, taking too many fastballs. That puts you in a strikeout situation. Everybody talks about getting deep into a count, but that's not good for everybody. If you get deep in the count, you have to be a pretty good two-strike hitter." -
The Rockies DFA'd Matt Murton the other day
If we didnt already have Wladimir Balentien wallowing on the bench, I'd say he'd be a nice player to have wallowing on the bench.
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I wanted Homer in the 'pen in '07!!!
I have ZERO data to back this up but I have always felt that guys with Homer’s pitching makeup seem to fare relatively well in the pen and it helps them out as starters down the road. It gives them an adjustment period. However I hate the back and forth between being a starter and bullpen pitcher. I wanted Homer in games in the 7th and 8th inning when it matters some trying to get guys out for a season, then the next year stretch him out to be a starter.
I was wondering do we have enough on HB to get some players to compare him to? Stuff, career path so far, etc. Also what the hell can he do about his pitch counts in the bigs? Is that a fixable problem that others have struggled with but over come or is this something he will deal with forever? His count seems so high because he doesnt seem to throw many strikes. Is the Kzone that different in the bigs from AAA or does his stuff just translate poorly from the minors to the bigs.
i feel like making him the setup man will stunt his growth as a starter
he will get comfortable down there, and he won’t have a need to work on his secondary pitches. I want the Reds to just leave Homer in the rotation, and let him sink or swim in 2010, especially if they fall out of the hunt. The only way he will learn is through both success and failure.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes, it feels like Dusty can't really do much damage...
but that statement about Stubbs makes me wish someone with actual power could tell him to STFU.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
ESPN Insider: Baker's job appears safe
Dusty Baker’s job as Reds manager appears to be safe, according to the Columbus Dispatch.
The Dispatch says the Reds’ ownership group is not inclined to eat Baker’s contract that will pay him $4 million next season. In addition, Baker seems to have the support of principal owner Bob Castellini.
Baseball Prospectus
Eating Baker’s contract may be best
“The Reds have an enviable nucleus of young talent, but Dusty Baker’s work this year suggests he’s hardly the man for the helm. His handling of the team’s precious young pitchers raises some eyebrows; from losing Edinson Volquez to Tommy John surgery to pushing Johnny Cueto past 100 pitches four times amid a six-start, 10.64 ERA span and ultimately to the DL. The fates of Mark Prior and Kerry Wood continue to linger. Furthermore, the Reds are scoring less than four runs per game despite playing in a hitters’ park, largely because Baker batted Willy Taveras in the first or second lineup spot 93 times in the team’s first 118 games. That’s despite Taveras producing the lowest EqA among any hitter with at least 300 plate appearances.” – Jay Jaffe
by kennythered on Aug 28, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Strangely
I feel like calling Dusty a player’s manager in a lot of cases is a copout for allowing his players to do what they want and that doesn’t help us win. I want a manager that is smarter than our players and goes out to the mound and looks at Volquez, Cueto, Harang and so on and says “too fucking bad if you want to finish, its time to get someone in thats more effective.” It just feels like Dusty allows these pitchers to do as they please because he is a “players manager”, or better known as a pussy, and can’t tell them what to do.
by kennythered on Aug 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Dusty kept copping to
“He said he felt fine” in the case of Cueto. That’s unacceptable. You have to be a lot more intellectually curious than that, analyzing change in mechanics and asking the right questions. While I don’t think there’s any compelling evidence of abuse in the case of Volquez or Cueto, there’s also no evidence of any value added by Pole or Baker. Any close observer of the Reds knew Cueto had a problem early into that stretch and there was no adjustment made until he was DLed. I think the test for Dusty and the coaching staff is whether they make Stubbs, Homer, Bruce and Cueto all into league average or better next year. It’s no coincidence they’ve all floundered under the current regime. If you can’t sheperd at least one #1 draft pic and one of the most highly-touted young arms in the majord into becoming productive major leaguers, you’ve failed on a very fundamental level.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a suggestion, Bob
STOP PAYING ASSHOLES $4 MILLION PER YEAR TO GIVE YOU A LOSING TEAM.
Eat that, jackass.
Geez.
BPro is still riding the “Baker Killed Wood’s and Prior’s Careers” train (while conveniently ignoring Carlos Zambrano); they’re also still hammering the “100 Pitches is the Worst!” meme. Wood averaged just under 103 p/g in ‘02 and over 107/g in ’01 (throwing fewer than 100 in only 4 of 28 starts, and only 3 of 5 after going on the DL); in Dusty’s first year there, he averaged just over 110/g, but it sure looked like he could handle the load. Wood also wasn’t exactly young – he’s already started 110 games and thrown over 690 innings before he ever met Dusty. Prior had also pitched quite a bit the year before (103/g). Zambrano, the youngest of the 3, threw over 106/g in ‘03 yet this will be the first year since that he hasn’t started at least 30 games. The list of injured pitchers who’ve never met Dusty Baker is quite long; so is the list of pitchers who throw 100+ pitches/game who’ve never been hurt.
It’s interesting that it’s one of the veteran pitchers for the Reds that is the one most likely injured by Dusty overusing him.
Now – all of that being said, I don’t think anyone can disagree with any critique of Dusty’s lineups.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Jaffe's crazy
As if there were some better option than batting Taveans. When there was, es Dickerson, Dusty often led him off. Point is then and now is that there are not any hitters on this damn team. Even if Jaffe’s unnamed and unknown star would lead off, how many more wins would that be worth? 2, 3? This team is nineteen games out of first. I fail to understand how Willy’ suckiness keeps them from the poistsreason!
Lastly in an attempt to totally mangle a causal vs a correlative relationship, allow me to point out that when this team was at .500, Willy was the lead off man. Put that in your pipe, Mr Dusty ruined Mark Prior’s achilles tendon (or is Jaffe unaware that Mark’ arm did not bother him until after his Achilles was hurt?)
by timb116 on Aug 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If a team wants Arroyo
They could still get him, if they ponied up the cash. He cleared waivers, and I bet the Reds would trade him, if they didn’t have to pay any of his salary. That was reportedly the stumbling block before the waiver deadline.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Why trade him now?
He still has Goodroyo in him, and you know what you’re getting with him. It depends on the return, but, I dunno if I’d want to trade him.
You won't get dick for him if you make the team take on all his salary
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Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Um, anyone else lose the entire pane on the right hand side with the Fanposts?
It’s just gone. Weird.
If I can't see the FanShots, I might have one!
It’s caused I think by some funky setting on my computer at work.
dude, its fanshots
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"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
It's funny how that Arroyo quote is so similar to what BP always says.
In that they both happen to think that the most necessary talents for winning are the skills they just happen to excel in.
And man, Arroyo really had to dig deep to find one.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
Fya asked what we would think "if the Reds came finish strong"...
and I guess I have a different definition of a strong finish.
I would consider the rest of the season a success if, whatever happens, neither Dusty nor Willy returns next season. I don’t really care if that means losing every remaining game and a career-ending injury for Willy (though I’d prefer for the team simply to cut both of them). Those two things will help the team much more than anything else I can come up with right now.
Sure, I’d love to see more stable production from the outfielders and Janish, but that would just be gravy.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Does anyone else think Owings might be done as a starter?
I don’t understand the way he’s being handled. Perhaps it’s a partial shutdown – or they brought him back prematurely off the DL.
I could see him becoming the long man next year. I think they want Homer to be in the rotation next year and Owings might become the swingman. There’s not necessarily a better option available for #5, but maybe they think Lehr could become a Steve Parris type. I’m not holding out hope that Travis Wood cracks the majors any time soon.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
I like Owings in the bullpen
maybe even converting him to set-up duties.
For the rotation, use Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey and pitcher TBA. I would love for the Reds to somehow acquire a veteran lefty, through trade or free agency.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Aug 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That is to say, I don't think the money's there to
acquire anyone better than Owings. And it would be extremely ill-advised to make another Rolen-style trade when the odds of competing next year aren’t great. If Owings goes to the pen, you’re going to get Maloney, Wood, RamRam LeCure, Jukich, Fisher auditioning next year. That said, I don’t put it past them to acquire someone like a Brandon Backe, who would probably end up becomingJosh Fogg.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Backe
Ouch. He’s terrible, and would fit right in with the Reds business model!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Aug 28, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, a veteran lefty.
If by that you mean “a non-rookie lefty who doesn’t suck,” then no, that’s not going to happen.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I know it won't happen.
Because a nonrookie lefty who doesn’t suck would cost too much for this organization. Only way to make it work is try to shed some payroll (Cordero, Phillips) first.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Aug 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
What’s wrong with Arroyo’s quote that you’d say you’re glad he’s not GM?
The only way the Rolen trade makes sense is if they think they can win next year; if they think that, they also need Goodrroyo (along with Good Harang, Healthy Cueto, and ’08 Volquez).
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Aug 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually, '08 Volquez ETA
is April 2011. If Edinson pitches at all next season, it would likely be a few bullpen stints in Aug-Sept. He probably won’t be fully back until the following spring.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Aug 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
my problem with Arroyo is that he's over-valuing himself
sure, he’s a valuable player, but i think he thinks he’s the best player on this team. he doesnt say as much, but he comes pretty close. so i dont want him to be the GM because i dont think he’s very good at talent evaluation.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
should be "my problem with what Arroyo said is..."
i gots no problem with the Tiger Eyes.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 28, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
EDSBS mentioned Yacht Rock,
making its world and RR’s that much closer together.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
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