CTR interviews Ken Griffey Jr. about the past, present and future
If you haven't heard, C Trent Rosecrans and a couple of others are starting a new website for independent sports journalism in Cincinnati. It's called CNati.com, and honestly, I think it's an excellent idea that will hopefully bring us additional outlets of Reds news beyond what the Enquirer and MLB.com will provide.
One of the first things on the site is an interview with Ken Griffey Jr that is enlightening, funny, and a tad bit snarky. Definitely worth the read. Here's a small excerpt:
CTR: It's funny, some people said that about you in Cincinnati
KG: That I was the divider? Yeah. What can I possibly divide? I'm the one trying to get everyone to hang out and go play golf and things like that and be a team. The funny thing is, have you heard a player say something bad about me?
CTR: Only one...
KG: Who?
CTR: Brandon Phillips...
KG: He said something about me?
CTR: Two years ago in Milwaukee, when he said the thing about not wanting to be known as someone who didn't run hard all the time "like other people on this team."
KG: Well, it's a little different. I think he understands now better than anybody that it takes a lot to be the man of the team.
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um, I believe there is a history there
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Yeah, BP refused C Trent an interview one time
So ever since, he has bashed BP every chance he could.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I actually like that he asked that question
Honestly, it beats the same canned question-response crap that we see everyday.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
How about Griffey doing his best to not just come right out and shit all over the town of Cincinnati?
“Do I have to answer that? …I live in Florida and let’s just leave it at that.”
by Brendanukkah on Aug 27, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a lot different than "Well, I'm finally home."
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Fun interview and interesting
but that bothered me a bit. I’m not even from Ohio either!
I find it amusing that he texts Dunn about hitting homeruns. Sounds like those two really are good friends.
I like that Ichiro calls him "George."
by Brendanukkah on Aug 27, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Grif and Dunn are tight
I see them a few times out here in Los Angeles during the off season. And when they were both with the Reds they were always together away from the park.
sure, if he writes an article that basically destroys a player's career
all he did was ask a question about a quote (granted it was a quote from 2 years ago), but it’s not like he’s making sure that BP gets denied credit on a new loan.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I like C Trent
and I’m not saying he should lose his credentials or be reprimanded, but his behavior is pitiful
Yeah, he needs to let it go
Personally, I think C Trent is a giant douche sandwich with a side of turn sauce, but to each his own……
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
turn=turd
I can’t even type correctly when I am bashing someone…….sigh….
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
It sounded like a good idea for a cookbook
“To everything, turn sauce! Turn sauce! Turn sauce!
by Brendanukkah on Aug 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to like Trent
But his inability to let go of a grudge clouds his objectivity. Still, CNati.com sounds promising.
Of course
Players are completely excused from giving interviews to writers they don’t like. Got it.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Where did he say that?
A journalist’s objectivity and a player’s obligations to the media are different subjects.
Fine
But CTR isn’t paid to be objective (of course, in his new gig, he may not get paid much at all); he’s paid to “tell it like it is”. And if he thinks BP is a pissy little girl (which I don’t disagree with, given some of his quotes), then it’s his job to explain that.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Players don't have the same set of ethics.
Journalist ethics are supposedly well-defined.
Plus, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Like I said, I don’t mind C Trent, and I think he should be the “bigger man” right now.
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yeah, CTR clearly doesn’t like BP, and although this was a really interesting read, it definitely felt a bit like CTR kissing JRs butt a bit.
Also, it sucks to root for a team that overvalues crappy players and hates on their good players, but I get tired of the “no respect” thing from Junior. During the last 7 years of his contract in Cincy he was worth a total of 5.2 WAR for a value of $14.8 million, yet he made $73.3 million over that span, so you can take your deferred money and shove it, Junior. (Dunn, on the other hand, was worth $75.3 mil over that span but only made $36.7 mil. The hate for him is truly inexplicable)
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
this is great
i miss having good players
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 27, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
Dave Williams!
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 27, 2009 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i miss having good players as well
but griffey hasn’t been one for a few years
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Yeah, You Guys Wouldn't Be So Quick to Defend Phillips. . .
. . . if you knew what a two-faced, hyper-sensitive MF he is. You wanna know why Josh Hamilton was run out of the clubhouse? Brandon Phillips. You wanna know how many friends he has on the team? None. You wanna know who the most selfish crybaby is when he’s not going well but the team is? Brandon Phillips. You wanna know who draws rolls of the eyes when former Reds are asked about? Phillips.
But he goes out in public, signs your autographs, wears a cheshire cat’s grin, and you eat up that slop like pigs in a trough.
Funny, how some of you beat on Rosecrans because of Phillips, who has also denied McCoy, Fay and Sheldon when he doesn’t like something that is written, like when he loafs. Why the selective memory? Phillips is not easy to get along with and McCoy flat out told him he wasn’t necessary to write his stories. When McCoy ignored him a few days, Phillips apologized. Still, how many times do you see Phillips quoted by McCoy?
It would not be a shock whatsoever if he’s dealt in the offseason, and it won’t have one thing to do with his baseball ability. The man has quickly become isolated in a clubhouse he laughingly wants to lead.
i dont think anyone here is defending BP
im pretty sure everyone is aware of how big a cad he is. but that doesnt make CTR an honorable man for holding such a grudge. everyone knows BP is a whacko, so it just makes CTR look like one too the way he goes out of his way to tell everyone how big of a whacko that Brandon is. i think most people just roll their eyes at him, and CTR should just start doing that too.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 27, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the Hell Are You Talking About?
CTR: It’s funny, some people said that about you in Cincinnati
KG: That I was the divider? Yeah. What can I possibly divide? I’m the one trying to get everyone to hang out and go play golf and things like that and be a team. The funny thing is, have you heard a player say something bad about me?
CTR: Only one…
KG: Who?
CTR: Brandon Phillips…
KG: He said something about me?
CTR: Two years ago in Milwaukee, when he said the thing about not wanting to be known as someone who didn’t run hard all the time “like other people on this team.”
KG: Well, it’s a little different. I think he understands now better than anybody that it takes a lot to be the man of the team.
That is really simple comprehension of the written word. Nothing more. Where do you intone a grudge? From what here do you see a sidebar? You don’t. Ask and answer.
Why is that so hard?
Why is it you read this but come up with Rosecrans having a grudge? Where is he being unprofessional? Where is this an ethical issue?
Ask and answer.
Ask and answer.
Read it, comprehend it. Godalmighty.
you act like this is an isolated incident
CTR has on numerous occasions intimated at his strong dislike for BP. i never said it was unprofessional or unethical though. just that it’s one of his favorite drums to bang. and the song gets old.
and dont be a dick.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 27, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I AM SPARTACUS
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Where's the Bang being Drummed?
I’m being a dick because you’re being stupid and reading into something that may—or may not be there.
Griffey asked the question.
Rosecrans answered.
Griffey answered.
The end. Not . . . very . . . hard.
He's talking about stuff Trent used to post in his blog
You know, the stuff about how nobody would bring BP his glove after he made the third out and that kind of thing. And how BP wouldn’t give the time of day to journalists unless they were TV people.
Personally, I thought that stuff was fascinating.
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Excellent Point About TV
See it all the time. Went through it for years with Darrell Green of the Redskins. Little Darrell. Big smile, everyone loves him, champion of God and goodwill. TV cameras are on, whatta guy. Cameras go off, big ef’n phony, cheapskate, unliked by most teammates, stiffed many a business partner. Guys like these always get theirs,usually when there’;s no longer a spotlight and they have to enter the real world like everyone else.
Okay, I'll say it
Stop being an asshole. Seriously. You’re not smarter, wittier, or better looking than anyone here.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Seriously
Please stop being condescending to anyone who disagrees with you. It just encourages people to call you names.
And everybody else, please stop calling him names.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I once took out 20 or 30 fools at Turner Field with my boy
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Is There Some Part of Ask and Answer. . .
. . . written in plain English that you don’t understand either?
Phillips is mentioned once in a 2,000-word Q&A but an entire thread of reading-challenged people are harping on ethics, journalistic responsibilitiy and grudges.
Dumbfounding.
Did CTR have to bring up what BP said about him though?
When Griffey asked his rhetorical question, couldn’t CTR just went along with it and kept BP out of it? There was no reason for him to even bring him into the discussion. That’s what people are talking about when they talk about CTR holding grudges, because it’s fairly well known around Reds blogs that those two didn’t get along. Many people here see it as a cheap shot that CTR brought up BP and casted him in a negative light, when the interview wasn’t about him and it was pretty much unwarranted. It doesn’t add anything to the interview. He went out of his way to tell Griffey that BP said something about him. There are some here who think that was unnecessary.
You don’t agree with that, and that’s fine. But there’s no need to attack people with a differing opinion than yours. If you disagree with someone’s point, then argue the point, but don’t be condescending against the individual. That’s not the way we do things around here, and we’re not about to start.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually, brandon is used twice
phillips only once though
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by 'tHan on Aug 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nickels and Dimes
That’s what you’re talking about. A cheap shot? Where? How? Asked and answered. Again.
Nickels and dimes, it may be
But you chiding us for discussing it on this forum is only exacerbating the situation. But my original point stands. When Griffey asked if any players had said anything bad about him, didn’t CTR have to say “only one…” and then point the finger at Phillips? What would have been the harm in just saying, “you’re right, 99% of players have nothing bad to say about you”. Instead, he takes that little opportunity to bring BP into the conversation in an interview that has nothing to do with him. Griffey didn’t bring it up. CTR did.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 27, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So What?
Poor, pitiful Brandon Phillips.
If out of all those . . . er, 2,245 words that’s what you want to focus on, fine. But why should Phillips be protected since the BIGGER POINT is that Phillips, a notorious hot dog and half-asser, had more nerve than brains to call out someone else for less than 100 percent effort.
Really, you’re overlooking the hypocrite because Rosecrans answered Griffey’s question?
Wow.
You seem to be easily impressed
We’ve had a “Godalmighty”, a “dumbfounding”, and a “Wow” out of you already.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
I gotcha
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
So there's not an ethical issue if a journalist
shows continued patterns of bad mouthing a player because he happens to be a brat to non-TV media?
Why can’t C Trent be the bigger man?
why is this a response to me?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Oh no, you broke my poor little brain with your logic
You come in guns blazing, acting like you sleep on a cot in the corner of the clubhouse. When someone respectfully tries to define what people are saying, you liken “us people” to pigs and question our reading comprehension skills (talk about fucking irony). That’s what known in most parts as being an asshole.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
by jch24 on Aug 27, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh don't worry, it is
But my front view steals the show.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
I know you are but what am I?
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
I always miss the "fun" and "exciting" stuff around here
"I heard he punched Cowboy in the face, grabbed his own balls and said: 'Clutch this.'" ~ obc
"It’s funny, some people said that about you in Cincinnati"
At that point, CTR became unprofessional.
No need to bring any of that up, no need to call out BP. Is BP a douche? Maybe. Is CTR a douche for holding a grudge and not letting it go? Absolutely.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
What Charlie said
Also:
You wanna know why Josh Hamilton was run out of the clubhouse? Brandon Phillips.
Nothing to do with the Narrons leaving? Don’t oversell your point.
or maybe getting a young ace-quality pitcher?
pr’ sure that had something to do with it.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Partially
The feeling was they had to get Hamilton out of the clubhouse because Dunn, Griffey and Phillips had made it impossible for him there.
Phillips was jealous of the media attention Hamilton got, and Dunn and Griffey didn’t like him getting special privileges such as Johnny Narron being his caddy, and Jerry Narron lost the entire team over one specific episode.
You remember?
Being able to get Voltron for Hamilton was a huge bonus they could justify after he pitched like he did last year. But Hamilton was a fly in the ointment of that clubhouse, perhaps not unfairly.
i dunno who you are
but you are right about phillips not liking/being jealous of josh hamilton
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wow
Jerry Narron lost the entire team over one specific episode.
The ENTIRE team? What incident was that, if you can say?
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Ahhh, Thanks for Asking
Remember the game where EE hit the little flare down the first base line where it was questionable whether it would be fair or foul, EE doesn’t run, gets thrown out or called out and Narron benched him?
I do remember that
Did the team think that was unfair?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Not Exactly, Until . . .
. . . a few days later, Hamilton didn’t run out a ground ball. You might remember that, too. Josh flat out loafed on the play. The entire dugout looked at Jerry Narron to see what he would do.
Would he bench his pet Hamilton?
Would he treat him the same as he treated EE and a couple of others over such?
Entire dugout went silent, all staring right at Narron, waiting, waiting. . . .
He did nothing to Hamilton, said nothing.
Boom. The place erupted with anger, especially Phillips and the Latin players.
Hamilton never had a chance after that, and Narron had lost the team.
I think I do remember that
Hamilton loafing, that is. I didn’t realize how it affected the rest of the team. Though I wondered.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I agree with you here
It was somewhat well known that the other players didn’t like that Hamilton lived under a different set of rules. Edwin getting his ass handed to him and Hamilton being given a pass was not good for anyone. But I’d be willing to bet Narron being at best a functional retard when it cam to managing played a larger part in the decision to fire him. Once he was fired it became an uncomfortable situation for Jon Narron and Hamilton both, and the best option was to move Hamilton and let his PA go with him.
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Another thing about Hamilton
Is that maybe Phillips, Dunn and Griffey all recognized what a hypocritical douchebag Josh Hamilton was.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Aug 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Question
I don’t know but don’t think so. I lot of it dealt with issues over Johnny Narron and special treatment Hamilton was getting. Jealousy, pettiness, favoritism. Really, it started with Johnny Narron overstepping his bounds, Hamilton getting a fat head about his caddy, and Jerry Narron doing nothing to address the issues. Instead, compounding them.
It was a question
framed in speculation…:)
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by cesarhernandez on Aug 27, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It blows my mind...
….that D-bags like Phillips and Arroyo are embraced by the fans, while hilarious and quotable Adam Dunn is run out of town.
by jacob brumfield on Aug 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
I just love Arroyo's douchey quote to Hal
In a story about how the Rolen trade made Arroyo want to stay with the Reds.
"Let’s see if we can get into the playoffs, man. We’ve been trying since I got here in 2006, and I would like to give it one more try," Arroyo said. "The thing is, if you really look at it, I’m the only guy on this team that has taken the ball every time, every turn, and I’ve never been on the disabled list. If you really want to win, you have to have that consistency in your rotation.
"So to me, there is no reason to pick up Scott Rolen if you are going to ditch me," he said.
Yeah, OK Bronson. So you’re basically saying that if the Reds expect to win next year, they need you? I don’t think so. Oh and “consistency” and “Arroyo” should never been mentioned in the same breath, at least as far as 2009 is concerned.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
On another note since I've not been following closely
Is Cueto going to make any more starts? Or is he being put up on the shelf like 9 to 5?
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Yeah! Rey Rey
was rockin’ the Cueto shirt.
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by cesarhernandez on Aug 27, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They're talking about him coming back soon
Which would be stupid. Will Carroll at Baseball Prospectus called the Reds out on this, saying there’s no point into having him pitch and risk further injury due to fatigue this season.
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by cesarhernandez on Aug 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i just tuned in to watch michael vick because I assumed that game would be on tv...
nope, i get the bucs vs. dolphins
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This is a baseball site, moran.
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i like to think of it less as a baseball site
and more as an everything site
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Facebook, here we come!
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Soory
facebook hear we comme lol
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his the commie?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Okay, two of my facebook friends are fans of Dane Cook
Should I defriend them on the merits of this decision alone?
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you should start repeating all of their statuses as if they are your own
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 27, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Outstanding
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"Me? What the fuck did I do to you, man!?"
Waiting…’d
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