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Red Reposter - 8/19/09

  • Slyde linked to this in the game thread late last night
    but it definitely deserves front page treatment. Here's what Hall o' Famer Hal (God bless that man) has to say about Willy Taveras:

    "Pinch-hitter Freddie Lewis hit a ball to dead center. As he has done so often this year, center fielder Willy Taveras broke poorly on the ball, running laterally to his left before realizing the ball was over his head. It fell for a double. He doesn’t get on base. When he does he doesn’t steal when it is needed. He was brought in to be a leadoff hitter and couldn’t do it and is now batting second. And he is below average in the field. What can Taveras do? He has a nice stereo set in the clubhouse that plays loud, headache-inducing salsa music.

    And holy cahooties. Taveras just hit a ground ball to the mound and trotted toward first base. Didn’t run. Jogged. Stopped before he got to the bag. Manager Dusty Baker immediately yanked him from the lineup, replacing him with Laynce Nix. The Reds later announced that Taveras has a strained right quadriceps muscle. I don’t question the injury, but it was awfully convenient.  As far as I’m concerned, and many other fans are concerned, Taveras can rot on the bench the rest of the season. I’ve seen nothing to merit the millions the Reds have flushed down the toilet when they brought this guy in. Baker said Taveras hurt himself early in the game when he bunted and dove head first into the first-base bag as the ball rolled foul. He stayed in and couldn’t run the next at-bat. "I knew something was wrong when I saw him not run, because that’s not Willy," said Baker."

    Woah.

  • Brewers GM Doug Melvin says he'll likely have a deal in place to move Bill Hall before Friday
    And the Reds are at the eye of the storm on this thing. Adam McCalvy of MLB.com says the Reds have both Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo, who they've been trying to deal for some time. He says the Reds may be in for a contract swap.

  • Dugout Central thinks the Reds would only be continuing their pattern of nonsense
    if they pulled the trigger on this proposed salary swap of Bronson Arroyo for Bill Hall. I'm not sure how this rumor came about, but it just sounds far too ridiculous to be true. I mean, the Reds could just wait a few days and pick up Hall for the league minimum. Why would they give up a perfectly serviceable (if overpaid) pitcher for him? This is just crazy talk, right?

  • When pondering Walt Jocketty's Plan, remember that Jim Bowden had a plan all the back in 1998
    (hat tip: Mo Egger)

  • Another outing, another almost-quality start for Homer Bailey
    After sailing through 5 2/3 innings, it came unraveling for him in the 6th. "Sixth inning, two outs," Bailey said. "I tried everything I could. It didn’t work." I like the progress I've seen from Homer this season, but he's gotta get it right soon. There's less than a month and a half left in the season, and if he doesnt prove he's a major-league quality pitcher in this stretch of time, then the Reds have a serious decision to make. Homer will not have any options left next season, so if he doesnt get it right by then he will likely be trying to get it right with another team.

  • Brandon Phillips is all right by me
    BP's wrist is still sore, but he's gonna soldier on and finish the season. "It hurts," Phillips said. "But if I can play with a broken thumb, if I can play with an injured finger, I can play with an injured wrist."

  • Hal says he thinks Mike Leake and Brad Boxberger will be on the fast track to the big leagues
    "They are quality pitchers from quality college programs (Arizona State, Southern California) and they should be able to move up quickly," said Jocketty.

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I'll admit it.

I cheered when Taveras came up lame out of the batter’s box. That doesn’t really make me a bad person, does it? He’ll continue to make millions for not producing this year and the next whether he’s injured or not. I’m just tired of him hurting this team, and Dusty’s determined to play him if at all possible.

The best thing that could happen for this team right now is for his injury to stick.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He got booed really, really loudly.

For a long time. I really just cannot understand, at all, Dusty’s obsession with this guy. He defends him with a bogus injury claim for walking to first base but pulls Brandon Phillips for a similar offense? Except BP is actually good at baseball, and Willy isn’t?

Honestly, Dusty’s been in pro baseball for a long time. Does he really not realize how bad Taveras is?

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, so you're telling me that this man will get paid, regardless of whether or not he performs on the field?

He’ll even get paid if his performance while he is on the field is detrimental to the team? He’d get paid, even if they brought in someone – even someone within the organization – to play his position and perform better than he would?

Wild.

They oughtta have a snappy term for something like that.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 19, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

You know I’ll be teaching this concept in 201 this semester.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but I hear your text book prices are outrageous

I’m soooo dropping that course for intro to French.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey

text book prices are only outrageous because the publishers have a stranglehold on the market and are artificially inflating the prices. you cant blame the professors, and you surely cant blame the bookstore.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think that is completely true

there are some profs who work to find inexpensive books. Now that isn’t always possible, but I know there are some profs who are more concerned about the cost of their required texts than others.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Aug 19, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you cant blame the bookstore though

those people work so damn hard. and look good doing it!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't blame the people in the book store

i do blame the university for being part of the conspiracy.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Aug 19, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's part of it...

but in many subjects, all of the available options are exorbitant.

Slyde’s referring to a bit of stupidity unique to my class. The bookstore for some reason ordered the old edition of the textbook, which then somehow retailed for $182.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For my next DMA class I had to buy 3 books, 2 of which were paperbacks

These are not special textbooks, just general music ed. texts that are probably used all over the country. I searched for a long time to find them cheap and ended up spending $185 on the three. The most expensive was one of the paperbacks, 465 pages, $75.

I know what I’m going to do when I get this degree……write a textbook.

(agree that you can’t blame the professors in most cases. If you really really like to teach out of a certain book and think it is the best one available, you should be able to use it regardless of cost)

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The annoying thing for me

as I looked for a book for this class is that there are dozens of introductory microeconomics books. They’re all about the same price.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the books themselves are more or less interchangeable...

yet somehow competition doesn’t bring the prices down.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, rules of economics don't seem to apply here

since the prof chooses the book, demand is set and fixed and so prices can do what they want.

It’s like a Commie Russian bread line!!!

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but as a prof

there’s little reason for me to choose one book over another—they’re near-perfect substitutes. So why don’t they bother to compete on price?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd bet that for most profs and most textbooks they don't see them that way

People get attached to certain ways of doing things and using certain texts. There might be one chapter in one book that has some really good stuff in it so the prof swears by it and won’t use anything else.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I get that.

In a lot of fields they are less replaceable. But most introductory textbooks are interchangeable, and yet the high prices persist. Sure, there are barriers to changing, but there’s enough turnover in faculty that this shouldn’t be a huge issue.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, and I've never understood why more textbooks couldn't be in paperback

I bet it allows for higher margins for the publisher if it’s only in hardback.

It’s like in my neighborhood, all of the buildings being built are “luxury”, meaning they spent an extra $20,000 on fixtures and appliances and can then charge an extra $80,000. I don’t need a Sub-Zero fridge, damnit!

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The great thing about this $182 book?

It’s paperback.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont count on retiring on all the cash you make writing your textbook

unfortunately, the author gets screwed about as much as the student does in the whole process.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

my neighbor works for a textbook publisher

I feel like I should go kick his ass

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

as cartoonish supervillians of American industry go

textbook publishing companies should be right up there with healthcare industry execs.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sort of brother-in-law

was an art director for a big textbook publisher – got laid off a couple years ago when they moved a lot of operations to India

by ol Pete on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering about that

So, let’s say for my $75 paperback, you figure it costs a couple dollars to produce, who is getting all the profit? I assume bookstores aren’t marking things up that much because there is competition there, so are the publishers taking all that profit?

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Production costs have gone up a lot as paper

costs have risen significantly, but that still doesn’t explain those incredible prices.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

publishers take about 65% of the cut. that goes toward printing costs, editor’s fees, marketing, etc. bookstores take about a 23% hunk on the book, which goes mostly toward labor and rent (universities charge unfathomable amounts of money to have a brick-and-mortar store on their campus). authors take away maybe 10% if they are lucky.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So this book's latest edition was published in 1995

that means that for the last 14 years each author has gotten $3.75 for each book sold, which probably numbers in the upper hundreds each year. I’d take 5-10 grand as a supplement to my salary every year.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

*for doing nothing

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, and textbooks are a bitch to write, I understand that,

but if you can find a niche that needs to be filled, put in a year or two worth of hard work, it could conceivably pay off really well for a long time.

(I’ve already got a great idea….muahhahahaha)

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the real racket is in new editions

some of these textbooks i sell are on their 13th or 14th editions. the publishers make new ones every 2-3 years or so to keep the used text racket under wraps.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, that's kinda what I meant, the 1995 one is the 5th edition

original publication date, 1970

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

my undergraduate advisor just finished

this book. It fits what you want, it is a niche book, that a lot of libraries will probably want to buy.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Aug 19, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The important question here is:

What is your cut?

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robbery

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We trade Arroyo for Hall

and I’ m fucking done. The End.

You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?

by chesirecat on Aug 19, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

oh oh oh

Taveras for Hall. yes please!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

we've got C-Pat

“flirted with cycle” last night

by ol Pete on Aug 19, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

great trade

incompetence for over-the-hillness

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if it's

Arroyo and Taveras for Hall and Hardy? Not that that scenario makes any sense..

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I take it back.

We can just wait 3 days and get him for league minimum!

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he waits 3 days

then he might not get him. I realize that that would be fine with RRs, but there are several teams that would take a flyer on him like the Giants or Twins.

by ol Pete on Aug 19, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont really get the disdain for hall

in his two full, healthy seasons, he’s been awesome. and he’s only 29. is there a concern that he cant stay healthy?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he ain't exactly trending in the right direction

wOBA the last 4 years:
.369
.317
.297
.269

I won’t hate the Reds for signing him for the minimum, if that were to happen, but I don’t believe he is worth giving up any players of any sort.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

except, of course, Willy Taveras

but I still don’t want Hall’s salary.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know, but thats my point

he’s been hurt the past three years and has played just 136, 128 and 76 games, respectively. and those are in his age 27, 28 and 29 seasons, when he should be peaking. it seems to me his inability to stay on the field has been the issue, and not a diminishing skill set. seems worth taking a flyer on, even for more than the minimum.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and my point is that this organization shouldn't be taking chances on injury plagued players who are bad when they are playing

I don’t believe there is anything smart about acquiring Bill Hall for more than the minimum.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i get that

it just seems to me like he has a fairly high upside. when i say more than the minimum, im talking about 2 or 3 million a year for 2 years or so. that wont break anybody

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

unnecessary

he’s making $8.5M next season. let him be happy with that.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yessss

i win!!!!!

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I don't think he has that much upside, offensively or defensively

he really only has a lot of value at SS, where he is increasingly going to be a liability, and at age 29 there’s not much reason to believe he’ll suddenly figure it out and revert to his age 26 form.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

is he not worth a flier for a stopgap for next season?

who else are we going to get to play SS? if he comes cheap enough, he should buy us some time til Cozart is ready or Valaika figures it out. or they could just move BP over. duh.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, he's worth the league minimum and no players

But definitely not a starting pitcher

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he can really play short,

I’d take a chance. But he hasn’t played their regularly in some time and he’s definitely on the wrong side of the defensive ageing curve. I wouldn’t be surprised if his injuries have accelerated his decline.

I guess I’m more afraid of how this team would overuse him, going off memories of him killing us in 2006.

by ken on Aug 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say his defense this year was his best

I wouldn’t worry about his glove or his arm, but range is another question. Wherever he goes, and I think Twins and Giants could be good fits, the question is whether he hits. He’s going to have power so he doesn’t need to have a high OBP, but he can’t be grimly bad the way he was this year.

by ol Pete on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You keep defending him, and I recognize that he's not as bad as we're making him out to be,

but you can’t ignore the steadily, sharply downward trending numbers the last 3 years. He’s 29 and has gotten steadily worse since he was 26. This is not a guy you give up anyone of value for. He’s a league minimum utility guy at best.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

God hates Reds fans too much for us to get rid of Tavaras like that

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Harang or Arroyo even be traded?

If they’ve gone through waivers, I thought they couldn’t be put through again during the season.

by ol Pete on Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Since they've been through they can be traded to any team at any time

They don’t have to go through again

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish Hal didn't have to retire

You all have got to get him to write a column a month on here, dude is the best.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's see if Slyde's got a little extra moolah in the RR coffers

and maybe get ole Hal McCoy a job.

imagines Slyde has a big vault full of money like Scrooge McDuck

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

McSlyde

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hal's Not Going Anywhere

If anything, you’ll be seeing more of Hal, not less. He’s got so many options he can’t them on one hand.

by Mr. Redlegs on Aug 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's my favorite newspaper guy, regardless of sport

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi Mr. Redlegs,

What’s your opinion of this Stubbs rumour?

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks Legit

Came from the Louisville Courier-Journal. I sent a text to a scout and he said he knew it was going to happen but surprised this soon. The plan was to keep Bats in tact as much as possible for their playoff run.

So my guess is they will DL Taveras after his wondrous quad pull last night and call up Stubbs.

But again, there’s no official word yet and clubhouse doesn’t open til 3:30p

by Mr. Redlegs on Aug 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Came from the LCJ?

I don’t trust those guys.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Call

CJ is just another run-into-the-ground Gannett rag.

by Mr. Redlegs on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sypher'd

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

60 day DL?

Stubbs is not on the 40 man.

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

they could put Volquez, Lincoln, or Richar on the 60-day

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. plenty of options there

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm telling you

DFA TAVERAS!!!

He’s going in the trade for Hall and Hardy!!!

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, DFA Makes Sense

There’s bags of balls and buckets of catfish to be bantered in the offseason.

by Mr. Redlegs on Aug 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmmmmmm, catfish

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Aug 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems pretty plausible

That pulled quad is just as convenient as Gonzalez’s injuries earlier this year.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew Stubbs getting the call?

Some dude in the comments on Hal’s blog sez that he’s a friend of Stubbs, and he heard from Drew himself that he will be in Cincy tonight….

It’s probably b.s., but I wish it would happen.

My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts

by cesarhernandez on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah my cousin is a friend of Bronson Arroyo

and he said that he told him that Bronson told him that he’s getting traded for Hanley Ramirez and also that Willy Teveras is going to make some extra money for the team by pulling a David Blaine and spending the rest of the season in a block of ice. It’s true because it was on the internet.

Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.

by SullivanSmith on Aug 19, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a guy who'

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

/accidentally posted

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Taveras pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Aug 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, Stubbs WAS out of the lineup last night

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Resting him for ST

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bowden '98 Plan link is a fun read

To some extent, I think he tried to follow his “plan” through trades for Konerko, Casey, Dmitri. The Bret Boone trade (a few months after the article) being another example. Bowden just couldn’t get the pitching together.

The discussion about improving the scouting is pretty rich, given the weakness of the subsequent drafts.

by ken on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, the plan makes sense

but it was doomed to fail due to Bowden’s complete inability to judge talent.

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again, a year and a half later they traded for Griffey

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a happier time

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/02/10/griffey_trade_ap/

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, I know you were being a smart ass

but I was legitimately happy that day and it seems like the last time we saw that smile from Griffey

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was euophric

I was in New York at the time and rushed to the Mets ticket office when I heard the rumor. My Reds fandom had died down quite a bit in college. ’99 plus the Griffey trade brought it back.

I’d have to look into it some more, but maybe the Bowden Plan ran off its tracks due to wildly overperforming in ‘99 coupled with Griffey falling into his lap. When those things happen it’s hard to say that your’e building for the future, a la early ’90s Cleveland. Then again, if had just got some goddam pitching it may have been a happier decade.

by ken on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

stubbs has been called up

i have “confirmation” from “sources”

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

stubbs and the bats know

but the reds have yet to release the information. so it begins

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you media types and your "insider" information

you think youre better than all of us, but youre not.

thanks for the scoop :)

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, but mean :-)

Well, so it begins, the Drew Stubbs CF era. Gotta say, I’m looking forward to watching him play defense.

Maybe this means Willy is involved in a trade for Hall?

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg twitter confirmz

Working on Katya Cengel story for Sunday about Drew Stubbs and his dream to play in Major Leagues, and, you guessed it … He got the call.

http://twitter.com/wallydempsey

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, makes way to much sense......

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next is to get rid of Dusty.....

….and then joy will occur.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

who says Stubbs will play?

“with Willy out, Dickerson is my CF and leadoff man.”

- Dusty

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm ok with that though.

just as long as Willy is off the team. CDick has been fine as a leadoff man. Stubbs is a good 2 guy. CF – Stubbs, RF – CDick, LF – Wlad???

by GrooveLeg on Aug 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rumor is sweeping Twitter

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, I hope you are right

otherwise, people aren’t going to trust my Twitter rumors anymore.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

im right

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

got it

thanks!

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

/claims partial responsibility

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

I put up a Foreigner lyric that I heard over lunch. I am not helpful.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it looks like the "friend of Stubbs"

on Hal’s blog was correct, if boobs and Wally Dempsey are correct.

My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts

by cesarhernandez on Aug 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Right

I’m an insider.

(Hint: My real name rhymes with ‘smalt smocketty’)

by thevole on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Galt Rocketty?

your name sounds like a superhero!

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vault Rocketty sounds better

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys are just making stuff up now

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

great

now I want a milk shake. thanks.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for the tastiness

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it!

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, like Vault's a real name

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry.

My “Drew Stubbs” tweet was a typo. It should have read “The Drew Sutton Era begins now.”

It’s time for that guy to start kicking some butt, right?

by thevole on Aug 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember seeing something that said

Bruce had the 2nd best outfield arm in baseball? I can’t find the link.

by jsl413 on Aug 19, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw it on Fay's blog

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't see this yet either,

I guess Dusty defended Taveras on the misplay of the double too

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Nix'd

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Laynce Nix shaves his legs

I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it was a tough play

His poor route certainly didn’t help.

by ken on Aug 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does he defend Willy, but throws Dickerson

and the like to the wolves? And why isn’t Johnny Gomes playing everyday? Wasn’t it less then a week ago that he beat the Nats by himself?

"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)

by chazzilla on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

He didn't lobby Walt and Bob to sign CDick or Gomes

He only protects “his” guys

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 19, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We might as well just hure his daughter to mange the team

or at least make out the line up card

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 19, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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