Alex Gonzalez traded to Red Sox
via MLBTR. No word yet on who is coming back, or more importantly, who is going to play SS for the Reds now. The time is ripe to see if Brandon Phillips can make the move across the keystone.
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Who cares who's coming back?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 14, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Gotta admit, it never crossed my mind that we'd be getting anything back
I’ll say this for Walt: He’s pretty damn good at moving big, ugly contracts.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what big, ugly contract has he signed since joining the Reds?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He didn't sign those deals, besides taveras, which isn't actually big
he acquired them, and had them greatly reduced based on money change hands and such.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I think we did
plus the Reds removed the $4M in salary owed to Ryan Freel.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
So how much of this year's payroll is being paid by other teams' money?
Or money saved from contracts moved? This is getting too convoluted for me to think about / maintain interest in
Hernandez cost 2.5 mil net
8.5 mil – 4 mil for Freel – 2 from Balt = 2.5 mil
by Dave from Louisville on Aug 14, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
if you want to play the semantics game
walt didn’t dump a big ugly contract, either. we still gave boston 1.1 million and only saved the $500K buyout.
that looks like fun
Not meaning to argue with you, just pointing out that perhaps the best thing Jocketty has done is not lock the Reds into any long-term money.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Let's not forget Mike Lincoln
2 years, when 1 was plenty….
We’re paying T Virus 4M next year….
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He's moved Hairston and Encarnacion and Gonzalez and Weathers
Saving about… 4MM this year? Maybe 5?
Acquired Rolen, who will cost us something unknown because we don’t know how much money we’re getting from Toronto, still. Has not moved Harang or Arroyo’s contracts.. So.. who are you thinking of?
At the end of the thread, someone mentioned we gave up 1.1MM in the deal
i.e. saved little to no money
I'm thinking of Griffey, Dunn, and Freel
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What was Freel's contract like?
We didn’t save that much money on Griffey or Dunn unless money changed hands that I’m not remembering.
He was at $4M for this season, not sure about buyouts
But since he bounced around to 4 teams this year and is now pretty much out of the league, that’s a lot of money to be paying to someone with no value. Walt was able to parlay that into a decent catcher. Even though Hernandez has been hurt, win for us.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Zippidty fucking dooda!!!!
Who fucking cares! I could kiss every last one of you RRs . . . With tongue, so happy.
/queue those who will argue that Alex wasn’t as bad as we made him out to be . . .
by Brian B on Aug 14, 2009 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he was good in '07
that was a long time ago.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
!
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
this is the most heart-felt rec ive ever given
you deserve a Pulitzer MM, for so capturing the heavenly adulation of the moment.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he posted this when we got rid of Corey Patterson, too
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
and the mike stanton thread
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
or i'm just coasting on old material
which gives me even more in common with pulitzer winners
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
did you know
that the girl didn’t know who the guy was who kissed her? There was a story on it a while back in NYT…
it was discussed in the Patterson thread
http://www.redreporter.com/2008/10/7/630142/corey-patterson-ain-t-comi
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the Red Sox boards,
a bunch of their fans are thrilled by this deal. Go figure.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
a bunch of their fans molest collies
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm recing the fuck out of this.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd by me as well
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that?
Gary Busey wearing a Celtics jersey?
by Highlifeman21 on Aug 16, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
they loved him when he was there in '06
just like Lindsay Lohan, just wait til they see who he is now.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've only caught a few Red Sox innings this year,
but Nick Green looked bad at short. Rosales-bad. I think they were desperate and fondly remember Sea Bass’ year in Boston, where he was lauded by everyone as being a defensive whiz.
he is a defensive wiz
Compared to Nick Green.
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Holy shit.
Pray tell who will play shortstop now?!?!?! There is no one else!?!?!?! ZOMG!
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Who?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly really did forget about Janish
I kinda feel bad now
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
rec that too
I’m so happy I’d even rec a picture of Michael Vick right now
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
I can't see the pic, but what the hell,
REC’D
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
and failing...
my picture wont post… oh well
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Appreciate it
I must be doing it wrong
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I just realized this was posted in the reposter
Here I was thinking I was original…….originality fail.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Did someone say Michael Vick?
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Now that's funny.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
even if it's just a burned copy of the latest Nickelback CD
i’d be thrilled with the deal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but wouldn’t it make you even happier to get a player back?
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
in fairness, we didn't give up a player
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Anyone seen President Obama's new health care initiative?
Get pregnant by Rick Pitino and get free healthcare for life!!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
I've been told I'm task oriented.
Hence the comment during work hours.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's not initiative to get pregnant by Rick Pitino, I don't know what is.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Just, holy shit
If we get anything of value back for him, I’m going to be thrilled.
It’s hard to hate on Walt too bad when he pulls off stuff like this. If he can get rid of CoCo’s salary too, I’ll be thrilled.
Also, this just confirms to me that Dusty is the real baseball moron and Walt actually knows how to value players a bit better.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
But Walt is being very diplomatic. And sneaky.
Taking Dusty’s toys away…Hairston, Gonzo…next maybe Taveras…
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Speaking of which, I bet Dusty is despondent right now
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Dusty's Post-AGon Protest Lineup
Hairston RF
AGON SS
Hairston LF
Patterson CF
Perez SS Also
Macias Wherever
Rosales Wherever
Hanigan C
P
Phone's ringing, Dude.
I don't think that lineup would win a single game
.7 runs a game, maybe.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd feel really bad for Hanigan.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Aug 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hariston's talented, apparently
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But not fast enough to also play CF
He can just catch the corners
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously Janish would be pitching
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
With Harang and Volquez in the bullpen.
by Brian B on Aug 15, 2009 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
An allegory for our times (in less than 40 seconds)
Kiefer is Walt Jocketty, the guy is Dusty Baker, and the woman is Theo Epstein. Enjoy.
Loud music warning.
Because I hate everything...
has anyone else considered the possibility that we’ll get a crappy player in return, who Dusty will then play every day for the rest of the season even as he hits .150?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I doubt we'll get anyone MLB ready
One, Walt probably doesn’t want the salary, and two, noone could possibly think Gonzo’s worth it.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
Yeah, likely a minor leaguer
of little or no consequence for this season. That’s OK, too.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We just needed to clear space for Hanley.
Later Yonder. You always were meant to be in Miami.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
Come to think of it,
It’s slightly amazing that the Bill James advised Sox GM wanted Gonzo.
On what level is he worth anything?
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
/drinks a beer
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
True, but at 2 p.m. on a Friday in August, it works as a crutch for my alcoholism.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we get...
a high ass?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The newest via MLBTR:
1:20pm: Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Red Sox are sending minor league shortstop Kris Negron to Cincinnati in the deal. The Red Sox selected the 23-year-old in the seventh round of the 2006 draft and he’s now hitting .264/.338/.347 with 20 steals in high-A ball.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
Call him up!
He can’t be any worse than Gonzo
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here is his MILB Profile
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502117
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Scouting report from SoxProspects.com
Speedy infielder plays 2B, SS, 3B, and all three OF positions. Top notch glove with excellent range. At the plate, Negron gets on base at an okay clip, but the hits just aren’t there enough. He has a good eye at the plate but still hacks on pitches out of the zone on occasion. Exceptionally fast down the line to first, and quick on the basepaths. Negron would be a prototypical leadoff hitter if he could make more contact.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That's (uncomfortably close to being) racist!
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
according to the box scores
he committed his 20th error of the season last night.
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I don't think he'll amount to anything
If the Red Sox thought that he would then they wouldn’t have traded him in the first place… at least not for AGon
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
23 y/o struggling In high A is def not a prospect
Wait a sec…. Who cares?!?
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably not.
But Boston has a lot of young shortstop depth. They could afford to move Negron.
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Negron has potential to be a late bloomer.
He heavily concentrated on his defense as a youngster, to the point of neglecting his hitting. He originally went to Cal-Davis, then transferred to Cosumnes River JC, from where Boston selected him in the seventh round of the 2006 draft. He signed for $105,000.
There were doubts if he could stay at SS because of his arm, even though he has excellent range. He is versatile, however, with ability to play SS, 2B, 3B or any OF spot, particularly CF. He takes a line drive approach. Negron has plenty of speed and is intelligent. He is 6-foot, 175 and an above average runnner with good instincts.
Negron generally has a good eye at the plate, but has lapsed into chasing breaking balls out of the zone from time to time. He is a very good base runner and a high-energy guy. He realizes there is more to stealing bases than mere speed. he has strong makeup. Early in his pro career, he drew comparisons to Freddy Sanchez.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if they took all the salary
Sadly, any payroll savings this year won’t necessarily be transfered for use next season
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by RedinWrigleyville on Aug 14, 2009 2:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What's the corresponding roster move for the big club?
Someone coming off the DL? Someone coming up?
Micah might come off the DL
But then we have a short bench again… I can only hope and pray that it’s a call up.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of a six man rotation til the end of the season
but they really need someone else who’s SS-capable besides Janish. And it seems unlikely they’d shift BP over now.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no idea
maybe Dusty can coax Walt into signing Neifi Perez
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That's not even remotely funny
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe dusty
can coax Walt into signing the other alex zonzalez. the one from his cubs days. the one he thought was on the team until about may of this year
6-2, 185
"There's only one Alex Gonzalez" - Dusty
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There are no more position players at AAA on the 40-Man
Fransisco and Yonder are the only two in the minors not on the 40-Man. Of course we have a few openings now as well.
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Negron
Hahahahaha. We just traded for Willy-Taveras-the-infielder! Hahahahahaha. Eh, no loss. Gonzalez wasn’t going to fetch a draft pick anyway because we wouldn’t have offered arbitration. Funn.
Negron actually walks once in a while
So he can’t be Taveras.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference is
He’s in A ball, and there’s no pressure to bring him up. I, for one, could care less if he ever sees time in a Cincinnati jersey. Addition by subtraction, my friend.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't have gotten a draft pick because
He’s not even remotely close to being a type a or b FA
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by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally
after reviewing all options, I feel you got to let BP try his hand at SS, and call up Frazier. Let Todd, Sutton, Janish, and Rosales handle 2B & 3B.
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I
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Aug 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to see Phillips finish the year at SS and Frazier come up to cut his teeth this year at 2B
We all know that won’t happen, though. I know that Frazier’s not ready and it starts his clock, etc. but I just would like to see that.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
I also found this funny and apologize if it's been posted elsewhere (via MLBTR):
By placing Austin Kearns on the DL earlier in the month, the Nats missed the chance to shed the $3.4MM remaining on his salary, according to Tom Verducci of SI.com. An unknown team claimed Kearns when the Nats placed him on waivers, so Washington was in a position to shed the remaining $2.4MM on his 2009 contract and avoid the $1MM buyout for next year. However, they placed him on the DL, meaning he could no longer be claimed.
Verducci hears that the $3.4MM won’t be the difference between signing Stephen Strasburg and failing to, but as one source says, saving the money “couldn’t have hurt.”
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
sad thing is
I imagine it was us that claimed him. I know in STL Walt had a huge man crush on Kearns.
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Either the Nats are insane, or ...
Rizzo has a conscience and wouldn’t allow another team to claim an injured player. Can anyone imagine the Nats sending and injured player to another team?
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You got to love the Natinals
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
so is juan castro available? maybe we can get kepp back.
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
Just got in from running errands
I’ve never seen so much green in a thread about a trade. Methinks y’all are in a good mood.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 14, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Aug 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll refer you to that Corey Patterson thread, linked up the page
Everyone gets rec happy and the end of nightmares.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
technically, Patterson was released
I’d really like to see the same happen to Willy.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I would love this...
but I don’t think it’ll happen
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The best thing about this deal
is now I can rest at night without worrying that the Reds will pick up Gonzalez’s option.
I can’t believe that Walt was able to get a living, breathing person in return. I would have accepted a corpse, or maybe a box turtle or a collection of cherished teddies.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Hey, we can never have enough turtles around here.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cherished teddies
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the direction I would have gone
But we’re (evidently) a family site, so good man.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll leave the other images to Mads
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, the ESPN story on Gonzo
is suggesting Hardy is going to be put on waivers soon. Hopefully Walt doesn’t fuck this up.
They did not put in a claim for Washington’s Cristian Guzman, and Milwaukee’s J.J. Hardy has yet to be placed on waivers.
I could be speculating but ESPN thinks he’s going to be on waivers soon, and most players are put on waivers each year.
Doug Melvin has been adamant that he's not putting Hardy on waivers
not that it won’t happen, just that I’m not sure why ESPN speculates that.
I think they’ll trade Hardy after the season, when they get more bidders.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
If Hardy stays in AAA for 3 weeks, he won't be eligible for free agency till 2011 instead of 2010
Making him more valuable in an offseason trade.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish an official statement would come from the Sox or Reds on this.
I’m getting nervous that the Globe just fucked up or something.
dude, it's all over twitter
is that not official enough?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
dude, that's the bengals
their reports are wrong. Not the Reds
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I struggle to think of a recent example of a Reds trade report that was incorrect.
So, ok.
Maybe the Bailey for Dye thing that didn’t happen.
Um, Yonder in the Rolen trade?
Gulp.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm feeling better about it
because BOston.com has some quotes from A-Gon’s agent, saying he will join the Sawx Saturday night.
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Apparently, the Cubs just need the Pirates to come to town to win
12-0 in the second.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't see it mentioned yet
But the Reds are also sending over $1.1 million with Gonzo.
$500K buyout on his option next year
is all on BOSOX.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if that is his remaining salary for this season, or if we're at least saving a little bit.
Anyone know how much we owed him for the rest of the year?
depends on where they are in the payment cycle
based on the fact that 30% of the season is left, he’d be owed about $1.6M, but if he’s already been paid, it could be less.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
So maybe we're saving 1MM.
That’d be fine, I guess, if we’re just splitting his contract for the rest of the year.
Then again, if we’re in the red as Mr. Redlegs told us, I guess our budget next year is fucked irregardless!
well, at least we're not spending $6M on Gonzo next year
and we don’t have to worry that it might happen. Doesn’t mean they won’t make a different mistake, but at least we won’t have Gonzalez for that much money.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
My day just got better
Addition by subtraction is always a good thing.
Does this mean Janish bats second now?
"T-Virus and AGon hitting 1-2? CHILD PLEASE!"
--- Ochocinco
janish is hitting .003 pts higher than sea bass qith about the same range ...
i’d rather see him than sea bass
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
I know he's bad
That’s why Dusty will think he’s perfect complement to T-Virus in the No. 2 hole
"T-Virus and AGon hitting 1-2? CHILD PLEASE!"
--- Ochocinco
by cesarhernandez on Aug 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we probaley call up frazier
but then again well call up a guy that cant hit
Who is this Janish guy.
or maybe it’s a soft J, like Yan-ish.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
I've never heard of the guy before.
(yes, I know. I suck at being funny.)
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
time to redo that signature
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
Yeah thats first thing I thought of
A-Gon can’t bat second any more for the Reds. I’m in mourning…
"T-Virus and AGon hitting 1-2? CHILD PLEASE!"
--- Ochocinco
by cesarhernandez on Aug 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Barker?
WTF? From Reds Twitter:
Reds trade Gonzalez and cash to Red Sox for minor league SS Kristopher Negron. Promoted IF Kevin Barker from Louisville.
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BTW
Im pretty sure this means BP is going to try SS. Sutton at 2B, Barker at Bat Bench.
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I bet we see Sutton or Rosales at SS
and BP at 2B.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Sutton or who?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
it is a skill he needs
it’s just not an offensive strategy a team needs
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
172/200/241
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
SSS
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just a career AAA type
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly man, who gives a fuck about winning right now?
The only other guys they would have called up would have been a waste of options, not MLB ready and exposed before their time, and starting their MLB service time clock before it’s necessary to do so
Generally agree
as far as IF is concerned. Valaika, Cozart etc. aren’t ready. But for Heisey and Stubbs – aren’t they too old to be worrying about the service clock? I was never clear on how much it mattered whether they were called up before September or not.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 14, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There's just not a strong enough argument not to wait until Sept for those guys.
They’re not going to benefit from riding the bench behind Dusty’s veterans. Might as well save time and money and give them a look in Sept and ST.
I'm referring more to back when Bruce went down I guess
Assuming a perfect world in which Dusty actually played Heisey or Stubbs, their service clocks and options don’t really matter right? Based on how old they are? I would have liked to have seen them get more of an audition this year, though having Wlad gives them a little depth.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 14, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The only owner that will sacrifice money to win is George Steinbrenner
And he’s not in control any more.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 14, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Geico have to do with this?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so easy a caveman could do it.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 14, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bronson wasn't talking about basketball, was he?
And Cuban has yet to buy the Pirates or Cubs.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
Ridding ourselves of any temptation to bring back Alex Gonzalez next year seems like a positive step. Sure, it would have been nice to bring up Valaika, but I guess I can wait two more weeks til September.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Valaika broken .200 yet?
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Barely
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't even that great in AA.
No reason to think he’d be excelling in AAA this year. He should have had more time in AA.
Maybe I'm thinking of someone else
I embarass myself when I try to talk about prospects.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Valaika ain't walking through that door
Frazier ain’t walking through that door, gentlemen. THIS is your Cincinnati Reds
Or they're rewarding a guy that has been a "Good Soldier" and has had a good year in AAA
Just like they did with Justin Lehr.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow! Great minds think alike!
So do ours!
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He has 22 HRs and I think 68 RBI
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Yep
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=150070
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
He's in his 30s...
He’s a career minor leaguer. Roster filler till Sept. Never has performed on the MLB level. Was a top 10 MIL prospect in 1999/2000 and never fulfilled his potential.
Highest OPS in the system
Check out what BK had to say about him in the State of the Farm thread from a week ago.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
it's just treading water until rosters expand
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Just rewarding Barker for being a good soldier
the last two seasons. That’s fine.
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's lineup
8-14 Reds Lineup
Taveras CF
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Nix LF
Gomes RF
Rosales 3B
Tatum C
Harang P
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Shortstop bats second
Ahh, it’s like slipping into a warm bath.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, who should bat there with that lineup
Votto, BP, and Gomes are the only real big leaguers, with Nix getting a partial nod as a 4th OF type.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
c'mon, Slyde
admit it, it’s still funny/pathetic
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no, it's still funny
and that lineup is definitely pathetic
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Get Balentien and Gomes and Dickerson in the outfield and Sutton at 3B
Then
Dickerson
Sutton
Votto
Gomes
BP
Balentien
Hanigan
Janish
Pitch
Who says Sutton's an answer? Dusty has clearly decided Adam is the winner of the
who backs up Rolen sweepstakes, but all of the sudden Drew Sutton is our pick to click?
It seems almost a random desire to criticize Dusty for anything he does.
The only player on the roster not in that line-up who deserves to be is C-Dick.
I'd like to see Balentien play too
…not that he deserves it but he actually has some potential
by Snake the Jake on Aug 14, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed there, Jake, but he's not exactly a two hitter
I agree with the fellow who notes the OF should be Dickerson, Balentin, and Gomes. Still sucks, but at least it’s an improvement over Taveras and Nix.
I believe people prefer Sutton because he has shown much better OBP in the minors
That and the whole backlash against all the press Rosales has garnered this year for his hustle.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe people pick Sutton because there's a reflexive need to bash Dusty
Drew has had two good seasons in the minors and the only reason he’s with the team at present is because he’s on the 40 man and can play multiple positions.
Maybe he can do it, but it’s not like Dusty is stupid for not playing a guy who’s hitting .172 in his 29 Ab’s
I agree - but that's a very limited sample size.
There’s no reason not to try Sutton out – he still has “prospect” potential, and I don’t think Rosales does. Why not give Sutton a tryout and let him play 2-3 games a week at 3B?
jsl, I'm not saying Sutton should never see the field, only that the rush to criticize the line-up
is premature. Sutton, Rosales, neither of them is worth a bucket of warm spit in my view.
There are a helluva lot of people in Reds country who are so convinced Dusty is evil, he could turn Nick masset into a decent reliever and change Rhodes from a LOOGY to a fine set-up man and manage to get production out of Johnny Gomes (which hasn’t happened since 2005) and no one would notice. I won’t miss him when he’s gone, but there should be a limit to our “Dusty is a dumbass” stance
But we agree that Taveras should never be leading off.
And that there is a better option SOMEWHERE for a #2 hitter. And that Balentien, Gomes, and Dickerson is our best outfield right now.
Dusty bashing is a separate issue in my mind
People are bashing Dusty for constantly putting Taveras atop the order and in Center field when there are better options. People wanting to see Sutton play is more a function of wanting to see if he can replicate his numbers from the minors. We have pretty much seen what Rosales can do, Sutton we have not. Sutton has gotten very sporadic playing time, so you really cannot judge him off that .172 average.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind Rosales, but based on Sutton's minor league career,
I think he could be a .250/.345/.400 guy, which is better than Rosales right now.
Why......
1) Gomes and Balentien continue to not be allowed to play in the same game
2) Dickerson is benched? Child, please.
3) Tatum again? Didn’t Hanigan just have a day off?
4) Nix hitting ahead of Gomes?
Hanigan is worn out from running around multiple bases
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Home runs will do that to a man.
I’m shocked Gomes is in the lineup at all! Dusty did us a favor by leaving him in there, even if he is hitting behind failbot Nix
Hanigan actually started hitting again
Dusty had to make sure to put a stop to it, or Hernandez wouldn’t have a spot to come back to. Plus Harang is pitching, the Reds wouldn’t want to acidentally score some runs.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillips, Nix, Gomes
that’s pure knifey-spoony
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nix did get on base ahead of Gomes twice yesterday
Maybe it’ll work again today? Who knows what thoughts lurk in the mind of Dusty?
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a huge Nix fan..
but i’m pleased with Dusty semi-acknowledging that something worked, and it going to try it again..
Yeah
But I would have been happier moving the guy who hit three home runs yesterday up to fifth in the order.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well, if he'd hustled a little more, maybe he wouldn't have been right-handed
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man
what the fuck. Why is Taveras still in this lineup? OF right now needs to be Balentin, Dickerson, Gomes.
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You knew that shit would happen
Dickerson goes 0-4 and that’s all the rope he gets.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 14, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Dusty do it?
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stocking stuffer!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
At some level, there's gonna be complaining
but who the hell should be batting second in this line-up (who is not named Dickerson)? This team doesn’t have anyone who knows how to get on base. Why not pencil in the middle third, put the catcher batting eighth, and draw the rest out of a hat?
BULL SHIT
Hanigan. All he CAN do is get on base…first base.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Aug 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Things will get better soon
Sheldon says Reds have a real interest in Bill Hall. Woo. Also, no Frazier or Valakia anytime soon. And no Phillips at SS. Fuck.
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If we got Hall at the league minimum, that wouldn't be so bad.
But for anything more than that – fuck it.
I've hated him for being a Red Killer his whole career..
but i’m not anti getting him…he’s not an answer as a starting SS or anywhere else, but would be nice off the bench next year..
I guess if they're not converting Phillips
then there’s no reason to fear them starting Hall anywhere right?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you're misreading their tendencies
they’re not averse to moving players to different positions, just averse to making moves that are in danger of giving them increased production and flexibility.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no interest in Bill Hall
His offensive numbers have been on a steady, steep decline for 3 years now. Though he does still look pretty good defensively.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I honestly don't care how good the bench is
until they fix the lineup. He’s probably comparable to Jerry Hairston. This team isn’t missing Jerry Hairston.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Jerry Hairston isn't missing much these days
by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's because he plays for a team in the Eastern corridor
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
Cherry has been awesome for the Yanks
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I think the Reds called up Barker
because Votto is about to go MIA if he has to bat after Willy T and Janish each day.
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This was exciting but I think I'm about over it..
More excited about the show down that doesn’t count in the big easy tonight!
I've been out all day only to just now hear the good news
I’d love to see Phillips finish the year at SS and Frazier come up to cut his teeth this year at 2B says 3Fast
Well,,,,although I don’t want to rush the guy…but I think that is an idea worht considering. although more likely if BP goes to short we’ll either see Rosy or Suttin at 2B…Walt be praised
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Caught and released.
Thanks for almost nothing, Sea Bass.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 14, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
wow
There’s definitely a resemblance…
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
they have about the same amount of range
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Anyone else think Negron resembles Davey Concepcion?
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/negron-kris.htm
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by Thundering Turtle on Aug 14, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
there's a word for this, but I can't seem to recall what it is.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
no worries
didn’t you think we’d already be celebrating? :)
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
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