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Red Reposter - 8/15/09

  • Yesterday was Jonny Gomes Day at the ol' ball orchard
    His 3 home runs punctuated the best game the Reds have played this season in this humble blogger's eyes. "It was emotional for me," Gomes said. "Let’s not forget, I was in Triple-A when we started this thing off."

  • Bronson Arroyo will likely be called into the principal's office for his comments yesterday
    MLB wants to sit him down and talk to him about what supplements are approved and such. He cant really be disciplined, as he didnt really do anything wrong, but they will probably try to coerce him to not talk so openly about this stuff. Personally, I think he did a service to MLB. The sanctimonious sports writers have controlled the conversation for too long, and it's refreshing to hear a player get on his soap box for once.

  • I think Aaron Harang understands the profound ubsurdity of the Win stat in baseball
    "You're going to have your ups and downs," Harang said. "I could go out and throw like crap and get 10 runs scored for me and still win, and then throw awesome and have no runs scored for me and lose, 2-1. I think the biggest thing is to go out there and keep us in the game."

  • Edinson Volquez thinks he might be ready to pitch sometime next season
    TJ surgery usually means 12 months before returning to the majors, but Volquez says he may be ready to go in May or June. "They told me most guys who have Tommy John can't straighten their arms for a long time, but I can straighten it right now," he said. "And no more swelling and they took the stitches out (Wednesday)." He watched his surgery on a DVD that Dr Kremchek made for him and wasnt amused.

    "That's crazy stuff, first time I've seen something like that," he said. "I wanted to see what they did to me. Unbelievable when they pulled that tendon out of my knee. They just pull it out. I was mad when I saw that on the video. I wanted to grab a knife and go back to the clinic and show Dr. Kremchek how to do it on him, do it exactly to him what he did to me." Or maybe he would just get Maceo to go down there and scare the bejeezus out of them.

  • FanGraphs runs down the list of the best rookie pitchers in the NL this year
    and oddly enough, Edinson Volquez got two 2nd place votes.

  • Brendan Roberts at ESPN thinks the Reds have a few good young infielders on their hands
    He has a fantasy-centric bent, but he thinks Drew Sutton and Juan Francisco could be something someday. Here's what he says about Sutton: "This great all-around player hasn't been as impressive this season, but he hit .317-20-69 in Double-A in 2008, with 39 doubles and 20 steals. With Jerry Hairston Jr. gone, Sutton is the team's top utility player. If he can garner a starting job, look out." Sutton hasnt gotten any real steady playing time this summer, but I still have my doubts about the kind of player he would be if he did. His minor league numbers point to him being a decent major-league 2nd baseman, but unless the Reds move Brandon Phillips to SS that aint gonna work.

    Roberts also likes what he sees from Juan Francisco: "Adam Rosales will man third base with Scott Rolen out, but Francisco is the future at the position. Francisco has been hot at Double-A and now has 22 homers and 74 RBIs in 106 games. The only problem: His defense. Like recent examples Ryan Braun, Mat Gamel and Jake Fox, the Reds aren't sure he can stick at third base, although they've left him there for now. I wouldn't be surprised if they call him up in September and see how he does." I like how he thinks Francisco's only problem is his defense. He still doesnt get on base nearly enough, though he has improved a bit in that department. I would be very surprised if the Reds bring him up this September because he's still really raw.

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I was at the game last night

I was planning to go for just a few innings by myself after work given the beautiful weather… that’s it… just a few innings. But I couldn’t leave. Despite the fact that I was watching two dismal teams, I was pretty much spellbound. It was such a fantastic game. One of the best I have seen in person (the best was Joe Randa’s Opening Day). The Reds played great baseball for nine innings straight. It was very strange.

"I never should have given up the animation rights."

by BobbyO on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think anything the Reds do surprises me anymore.

I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.

by chazerize on Aug 14, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

i just peed a little

the Red Sox may want Gonzo as an insurance SS (HT to MLBTR). i would absolutely flip if this turns into a David Weathers situation. please please please let this happen.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

You've got to stop this, it's too much to hope for.

They could trade him, move BP to SS for the rest of the year, and call up Frazier to try him at 2B. I would be so happy I’d pee a lot

Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry

by nycredsfan on Aug 14, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

or why not try Sutton at 2B?

i think he could be a decently average 2B. through the minors, he’s always had good walk rates and he doesnt K too much. if given a shot, he could be the 2-hole hitter that Dusty wishes Gonzo could be. and it would be cheaper.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Boston

"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com

by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I forgot to add this link from the Boston Globe

It’s official?

"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com

by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad Dusty

"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com

by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Dusty

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Aug 14, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

Rec’d

This deal makes me so freaking happy… I feel as giddy as a school girl

by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

A dedication to AGone

Shipping up to Boston

"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com

by RedsMasochist on Aug 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty must be crying

First Cherry, now AGon…

Maybe the Brew Crew will take T-virus for Hardy and make us all super happy!

At least it looks like the front office has finally woken up from their slumber. Who plays short full time now?

by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Janish, until Rolen's back.

Then Rosales.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Aug 14, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Francisco up next month.

I know he’s not ready, but it would be cool to see the Reds of Tomorrow, Today! And no defense lefty power hitters have always been successful in Cincinnati.

by coocooforcocoapuffs on Aug 14, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Yowzah

NJURIES: Beltre out for season?
Adrian Beltre | Mariners
The Seattle Times is reporting that Mariners third baseman Adrian Beltre might miss the rest of the season after taking a grounder to his groin in Wednesday’s game against the White Sox.

Beltre is out indefinitely with a contusion to his right testicle that might require surgery.

Jack Hannahan started at third base in Thursday’s game against the Yankees.

by kennythered on Aug 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if the AGon move is an opening

for acquiring Hardy? I know I’m probably just dreaming. But I’d love to see either Hardy come in and take up SS or have BP move over and see how we does there for the rest of the year.

by wishfuldrifter on Aug 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It all seems to add up

But I’m not letting myself imagine such a thing yet.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem I have with Aaron Harang's comment.

Harang said this: ""You’re going to have your ups and downs. I could go out and throw like crap and get 10 runs scored for me and still win, and then throw awesome and have no runs scored for me and lose, 2-1. I think the biggest thing is to go out there and keep us in the game."

The trouble is, more often than not, he goes out there an throws like crap and gets 10 runs scored on him and takes the L.

That’s the problem with Aaron Harang.

by MyScreenNameIsKevin on Aug 14, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

This comment is wrong in so many ways

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's really mostly just wrong in one way.

“The trouble is, more often than not, he goes out there an throws like crap and gets 10 runs scored on him and takes the L.”

This is not true. In fact, the Reds, in 2009 have averaged approximately 3.95 runs a game. Aaron Harang has allowed fewer than this many runs in 14 of his 24 starts. I realize both “10 runs” and “more often than not” were meant as hyperbole. But combined, you have created a statement that is very very wrong.

There is, of course, a problem with Aaron Harang’s statement. That problem is with the phrase “I could go out and throw like crap and get 10 runs scored for me and still win.” The Reds have not scored 10 runs for Aaron Harang yet in 2009. They also never did so in 2009.

Aaron Harang is not pitching like an ace, but he certainly can’t help our useless offense.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 14, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

The funny thing with numbers is you can slice them a lot of different ways, but the reality is, Harang is no matter how many runs the Reds score in his starts or how many he gives up, more often than not he is not giving his team a chance to win.

It is disheartening for a team that is as offensively-challenged as the Reds to have to overcome the early five-run leads that Harang so often finds himself giving up.

And there is one way a guy like Aaron Harang can help the offense. Quit giving up so many damn runs. it doesn’t get any more simplified than this: If you give up one run, your team has to score only two to win. If you give up five, they have to score six. And if you give up five in the first few innings, a team like the Reds just folds up its tent.

Whether you believe in Ws or not, when you look in the standings, there are only two things that matter. W and L. And right now Aaron Harang has twice as many Ls and Ws.

That, my friend, is a bad pitcher.

by MyScreenNameIsKevin on Aug 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's reverse Dunn syndrome!

Harang has given up more than 3 runs in the first 4 innings four times. If a Major League team can’t overcome their pitching giving up 3 runs early, maybe that’s the problem?

Blaming him for shitty offense when the offense is shitty for everybody is beyond ridiculous.

This is exactly like blaming the offense that led the league in scoring in 2005 for the team having a bad record. It is terrible logic.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Aug 14, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fay blog? Is that you?

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 14, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem with this argument is that there's a difference between pitcher's W-L and team W-L
Whether you believe in Ws or not, when you look in the standings, there are only two things that matter. W and L. And right now Aaron Harang has twice as many Ls and Ws.

Yes, a team’s W-L record is what counts in the standings, but a pitcher’s record has absolutely nothing to do with that. There’s so much else that factors into a game than a starting pitcher’s performance (run support, defense behind him, bullpen), that by the time it’s all said and done, a lot of the time the W or L isn’t indicative of how the pitcher pitched. Coco Cordero has twice as many wins as losses too, but nobody’s calling him a bad pitcher.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Aug 14, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really need the f-word

captioning the photo at the top of the home page? Come on, show a little class.

Where have you gone, Johnny Vander Meer?

by Joe Public on Aug 14, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I would interested to see Francisco up

I think i would lose count at the number of cuts he takes at the plate

by mrsmith35sg on Aug 15, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Francisco could start a new marketing campaign for the Reds

“Francisco at the plate! Don’t blink or you’ll miss him.”

He'll mainly be a pinch-hitter (he's lefthanded) because we're so strong from right side with Laynce Nix and Jonny Gomes, - Dusty on Barker (someone tell Dusty that Nix bats lefty)

by RedsMasochist on Aug 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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