Red Reposter - 8/12/09
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT
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This is what I am are going to miss when Hal McCoy rides off into the sunset
"Justin Lehr was in more trouble all night than little brother playing in big sister’s closet, but the Cincinnati Reds pitcher was a marvel to behold, an execution of escape by legerdemain." Funny how you only really start to appreciate something when you find out you wont have it forever. -
Joey Votto has been slumping lately
just 1 for his last 15 going into last night's game (though he did have a single and a walk last night). He wont admit it because he's like that, but as Dusty Baker said "Last weekend was the first anniversary of his father's death and he lost a little bit of his concentration." In all seriousness, I would say it is damn near impossible to find an athlete more worthy of my adulation right now. -
The Fayplacement calls Justin Lehr "the new ace"
Of course, it's only halfway tongue-in-cheek. The interesting part is what Dusty said after the game though: "You’ll take any lift you can get," (he) said. "When you’re trying to salvage a season, every win is important." I know this has been beaten to death, but why are wins important to the Reds right now? Of course it's important for the player's confidence and everything, but it's really only an excuse for Dusty to play the likes of Gonzo and T-Virus. And I know I'm going to be angry when Ramon Hernandez comes back off the DL and starts 6 games a week. -
Redleg Nation takes a look back at the events surrounding the Ken Griffey Jr trade back in 2000
I had forgotten that they got Dante Bichette that winter as well, so they basically gave up Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, and a few spare parts for a pair of terrific All-Star outfielders. -
THT takes a look back at the 1997 Baseball Scoreboard
when they took a look at what the chances were of certain players reaching certain milestones. I always like to look back at stuff like this, and this part about knocked me over:
"One thing is clear: the hitter who makes a real run at [Hank] Aaron will need to crank out 40-homer seasons year after year. There are only two hitters in the game who have even a 10 percent chance of maintaining that pace long enough to break Aaron's record: Albert Belle, at 15 percent, and Ken Griffey Jr., at 12 percent. Belle's career total is 100 homers behind Aaron's at the same age, but the formula recognizes that Belle may be the one hitter in today's game with the ability to produce enough 50-homer seasons to actually make up ground on Aaron."
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You can't get mad at Dusty
He has to play the MVP on a regular basis when he gets back. It’s foolish not to.
I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.
by chazerize on Aug 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Today is the 15th anniversary of the 1994 baseball strike
As Jonah Keri puts it, nice to see all of the issues that caused the strike have been resolved.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers have demoted JJ Hardy to Triple-A
’nukkah’s getting giddy!
I’d take Hardy in a heartbeat. The only thing I don’t like about his numbers this year is the declining line drive rate. I think everything else leads to a correction back to a 4 WAR player.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Bill Hall has been DFA’d. Him I do not want.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bill hall only plays well against one team--the reds.
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give him an ST invite
trade him right after the first few intersquad games.
Problem solved!
by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want either Hardy or Escobar this offseason
Get it done, Walt!
by Brendanukkah on Aug 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are the only types of players that I would trade Harang for
A major upgrade at SS would do this team some serious good.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how could it be an upgrade if we lost Gonzalez?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ Hardy's been working at it
And is now able to play all nine innings.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy would be kind of nice...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Aug 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Yunel Escobar, but I would take Alcides Escobar too
by Brendanukkah on Aug 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was thinking Yunel
but I wouldn’t hate Alcides. I doubt the Brewers would give him up though since he’ll only cost around $400k for 3 years.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me Hardy
im sure he would come pretty cheap, since the Brewers seem to be frustrated with him. it’s precisely the kind of buy-low move the Reds need to be making.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he has options left next season
If not, the Brewers may have hurt his trade value by using one this year.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you include Alonso in a deal for Hardy?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Brewers want Alonso, for one, when they have Prince Fielder?
And CS said “buy low” i.e. “don’t give up a top prospect”
but you’re probably doing that satire thing
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd want for precisely the same reason they drafted LaPorta
You wan the best prospects you can get and then you figure out what to do with them after that.
I’d consider Alonso plus an insurance prospect for Hardy. I don’t think that’s too much for the Reds to give up.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with his value so deflated by being bad at the MLB level lately?
That seems like a lot to give up right now for Hardy.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of thinking that too
While Alonso is certainly good value for Hardy, I’m wondering if we could get him for cheaper than that with the year he’s having and Alcides Escobar waiting in the wings. With that insurance of a cheap shortstop that they seem to like, I can see them wanting to get rid of Hardy before he goes to arbitration, no?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
If we were to deal Yonder + insurance prospect for a SS, I’d want it to be someone who has higher current trade value than Hardy.
I don’t think it would be a bad trade, because Hardy is likely going to be a fine MLB player and likely much better than we have at SS now. But I don’t think he demands that kind of return given recent performance and the Brewers’ weak bargaining position.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not current value that matters as much as current demand
Assuming the trade happens in the off-season (the Brewers would be foolish to try to deal him to whoever picks up his waiver at this point), there will be some serious demand for Hardy. If there isn’t, then MLB teams aren’t as smart as I thought they weren’t.
Plus, I think you guys are overvaluing Alonso a bit. A 26-year old shortstop who has averaged 3.5 WAR per season for the last 3 years is definitely worth an all-hit, no defense 1B who is currently out with an injury.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Alonso is currently deflated, too.
That throws a wrench into it. But I just have a hard time parting with our top prospect if it doesn’t net something nicer than Hardy. A look at some of the deals done at the deadline this year featured non top prospects being dealt for top talents.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In large packages
I wouldn’t give them two of our top 10 prospects, but I’d give them Alonso and another throw in.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you not rather give up Alonso and another top 10 guy for something better than Hardy?
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who?
I don’t believe there is something better than Hardy that is available.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we're assuming Hardy is available
though today’s move indicates that he is.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this is the most important aspect of the situation
and i think you arent appreciating it as such. it seems to me (though i could be wrong) that the Brewers are frustrated with Hardy. they have a guy they love in Escobar to take his place. while i agree that, all things being equal, Hardy is definitely worth Alonso, that is not the situation right now. he’s having a perceived down year and they just sent him to AAA. i would bet they are very hesitant to pay him the 5 mil or so he’ll make next year and are willing to deal him for a few mid-level prospects. but of course, im assuming a ton here.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he got lucky his first 2 years,
his value can’t be THAT depressed. Maybe you don’t give up Alonso – but then again, he’s not my favorite top 10 organizational prospect we have.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im saying i'd give up Alonso for him
but i dont think the market conditions right now justify that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say they love Hardy as well
its sort of the reality of being midmarket. When you have a great replacement, you take that because it means 6 years of cheap production. They’re sticking him at AAA because the team is stinking it up.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but Hardy would also be worth more to the Reds
than say, the Yankees because the Reds are in desperate need of a SS that won’t break the bank. I think that fact at least brings his trade value back into a normal line with what it would have been.
That is to say, the Reds will want to offer more because it means more for them to get him.
Plus, I still think Alonso is being overvalued.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair point on the desperation factor
but why do you think Alonso is being overvalued? is it because of his D?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and because of the injury
and because he has 288 career PAs as a professional.
I’m not saying he’s not valuable, just that I think he’s worth a player that could very well put up 4 WAR at a position of need.
I think the extra prospect would be needed because of Alonso’s injury.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
i can see Alonso turning into a hitter like Joey Votto. the injury complicates things, sure, but hamate injuries are rarely serious. and his skills are such that his bust potential is about as low as it can get for a prospect.
im not so sure that Hardy is worth him, though. Hardy will be a FA after next season, so alls we’ll get him for is one year. and while his potential is as a 4 WAR SS, his numbers this year arent. like i said, i’d probably make the deal, but i think the Reds could get him for less.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they could get him for less
I’m talking about what I’d be willing to give up to get him.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
dammit. i think we agree again. this is boring.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way, unless Votto is killed, that Alonso ever plays in a game in Cincinnati
Trade him high and get me the SS this team needs and has not been able to produce
by timb116 on Aug 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess he's been available
for a year or so. I could also see them holding him through the offseason if the offers aren’t good.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Gamel going to stick at 3B?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
org says "think so"
and are proceeding with that and the fanbase is obsessed with moving him to a corner OF along with Weeks in CF. All that grew out of dipshit in his mom’s basement gets a gig for a couple years – er, I mean the likes of Keith Law talking blather.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i'd say it's worth it to see if he can hack it
if he cant, you can always move him to RF. but you cant really move him back the other way. not as easily, anyway.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think were overestimating Hardys trade value
Yonder is a top 20 prospect in baseball. A lesser prospect + a couple insurance guys just got Holliday. (I know, only for half a year, but still.)
Also, just because were desperate for a SS and Hardy would be a 6-8 WAG (wins above Gonzo) player, it doesntmean others value him that highly (including the Brewers)
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
there is a shortage of quality SSs
Why wouldn’t the people who need a SS think about trading for him? Do you really think they’ll say look at his down year, the guy isn’t very good?
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His career numbers are obviously too good for that.
I just looked at them and didn’t realize he was good last year, too. I’d give up Yonder + throw in for him.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete, all this time I thought you were a Reds fan..
What’s the best NL Central blog?!
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
diehard brewers
but love baseball. This is the most enjoyable NL central blog, at least for me.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince
next year is year 5. He’ll be dealt eventually.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you think the Brewers would expect to receive in a deal for Hardy?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have talked about getting a #1 or 2 pitcher
and it hasn’t happened. I don’t really know and maybe someone who is a nice 1st base prospect would work, but they have a swarm of quality pitchers in the lower levels and nothing much happening at the top. They need pitching for a couple years.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Stewart! wait, damnit.....
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
They'll let him walk?
I really don’t like how few baseball players stay true to one team their whole career anymore. I think something should be done to address rapid turnover in baseball. I dunno if there’s an answer that isn’t “salary cap” though and I don’t want to get into that.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's "cheap" now at 10 million/year
that didn’t even buy his last year of arbitration. His agent is Scott Boras. His fielding is greatly improved. His hitting has as well. I see him wearing a Red Sox uni.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize he was represented by Boras.
Yeah, he’s a goner.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't they already have like 6 1B?
I bet he ends with the Angels.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Prince to LAA
Unless it’s as a DH, Kendry Morales has really played well for them this season.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Scocia says everyone in the organization expected this of Morales.
Although, Kendry has experience in the OF, and Vladamir is aging.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with Baltimore
I can see them making a splash after so many bad years and some younger guys finally contributing. Though iirc there’s a lot of bad blood between Baltimore and Boras.
by ken on Aug 12, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last study I read on the subject showed that turnover in baseball is just a little worse in the free agent era
than pre-1976. There were a lot more trades in the day
by timb116 on Aug 12, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yunel Escobar would be a huge boost
he’s a very solid player with some impressive numbers all around. It would probably take a fair bit to get him.
by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think he's available
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think he’s an “out of the question” type right now
by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can't pry these two
or Cabrera away from other teams…I wouldn’t be opposed to going after Bobby Crosby…he’s a former first rounder and has been pushed into part-time 1B/3B work in Oakland..I think he’s gotta good glove and can be a decent hitter..but as i used to say back when I was pushing for Los Manos Oros to be the starting ss, if everyone else hits, you can take a .225 in the eight hold…maybe i’m reaching, or maybe i’m just this sick of Gonzo…hope he gets deported
by Lookouts00 on Aug 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby has a lot of issues
He hits about as well as AGon, his defense has been rated about average for the past 3 seasons, and he is constantly injured. Basically he would be a cheaper white AGon.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was amused
to come across an A’s message board where Oakland fans were kvetching about how bad Bobby Crosby was, and saying they wished they had Bubba Crosby instead. They were serious.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy has one year of arb left, right?
holy moses, this situation is almost too good to be true. Walt has to do this.
hmm, and the Brewers fired their pitching coach and Dave Weathers’ BFF Bill Castro. sucks for him.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if so, then Doug Melvin should be drawn and quartered by the Brewers fans
or Hardy is injured.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Walt is a genius!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't eliminate the fact that Melvin would be an idiot as well
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure, more than one of those could be true...
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hardy is the PTBNL, then I think we have to give Walt a pass on the Rolen trade
The only way that happens is if Walt pulled some Evil old GM Jedi mind trick on Melvin. But, it’s always nice to dream.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney is Palpatine
have you seen BBT lately?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 12, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I have not!
But I will watch it ASAP to evaluate your claim.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if Hal was 'a little brother' as a kid
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor Votto
It seems everybody in the world knows his father passed away around this time of year, and his performance, good or bad, is going to be associated with it. Maybe he needs to just silently deal with his emotions instead of a sport always being associated with something so devastating for him.
"Taco fillings!"
by Lucky Pierre on Aug 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, why is this still a top 5 story on SI?
Oh.. because the Yankees may be a fit? I get it now.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and congrats to Caleb, who is going to be a grandaddy again next March
(and congrats to JD too)
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting an new part to the discussion...
I had no idea Hardy’s defense was so good. He’s been worth over 40 RAR during his career.
On the other hand, his wOBA has only been above average 2 of the 5 years, and his line drive rate has steadily decreased every year he’s been in the pros. Taking out his great year last year, he has been significantly below average offensively. I know you can take that from a good defensive SS, I’m just saying he’s no Derek Jeter :)
Having said all that, I’d take him in a second, I just think the fact that he got demoted right before his 27th birthday and the down year this year, and the fact that the Brewers clearly see Escobar as their SS for the future means his trade value isn’t as high as a normal league average to above average SS. I also don’t think Cincy’s desperation should matter much in the discussion, because if Walt is good at his job at all he can play it off as just testing the waters. (Not sure Walt is good at his job though)
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
since we're starting a new thread
Would you trade Stubbs or Heisey as part of a package for Hardy?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of them, sure.
But it better be the one that isn’t as good as the other in the pros, damnit.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he about to turn 35 and always hurt?
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He turns 27 in a week
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heisey yes, Stubbs no.
Stubbs fills a key role for the Reds as a defensive guy who can hit for a high OBP, bat leadoff, and steal bases for your team. Heisey hits for more power, and I think is expendable with Bruce, Balentien, and Gomes competing for outfield spots.
If the Reds offered Arroyo, Valaika, Heisey, and 4 million for Hardy, which side doesn’t do that deal?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'you think we'd have to throw in the cash?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 12, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo makes $11M next year, I'd think we'd have to chip in something
I’d be fine with that not being the case though.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that deal in a second.
Valaika is looking more expendable with the emergence of Cozart and the possibility of Frazier at 2B. Heisey could be good but is still very unproven, and SAYONARA ARROYO.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The way I see it, the Brewers get a decent starting pitcher (a cheaper, better version of Jeff Suppan, who they gave tons of money to), a solid utility prospect in Valaika (a cheaper replacement for Bill Hall, who they just DFAd), and a promising outfielder in Heisey. The Reds get their SS of the future and shed some of Bronson’s salary. Which side doesn’t take this?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the brewers
I don’t believe that trade really gives them what they want. It seems like a quantity over quality deal.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I seriously hate those people.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wrote "assist craftsman"
as in the two outfield assists Gomes had last night.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 12, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, already writing off Jay Bruce after one bad season at age 22
Nothing like the Fayblog to make you appreciate RR even more.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because they gave too much to Suppan
doesn’t mean they don’t know it. Sometimes I think Melvin has an affection for soft tossers like Arroyo with Suppan and the devotion and flowing love for Dave Bush. Can the Reds trade any starting pitching? Fans might want to see him gone, but aren’t they going for it next year? Unless Rolen signs a team friendly extension or they at least have talked about it, I’d guess that was their plan.
They have a couple solid utility prospects which they’ll lose if they’re not on the roster next year.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen is signed for next year already
and I would hope that the Reds see a serious need to improve at SS. What I don’t know is if they would value Hardy enough to deal for him without getting some salary relief. They have to know that they aren’t going to get as good of a player as Hardy on the free agent market, especially not for the money.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy is cheap
I don’t really follow the rest. They might like Arroyo, but they might be gagging on junkballers. Suppan, Bush and Arroyo back to back to back?
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I mean is if Hardy makes ~$6.5M next year
the Reds won’t get any real salary relief if they are sending $4M in a deal with Arroyo as well. That basically only saves them $1.5M for 2010 and $2M for 2011. Given that Hardy isn’t signed for 2011, they really wouldn’t be saving any money in the long run.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer your question Slyde
I’d trade either, especially if that’s all it took (it’d take more, though)
It would hurt a bit to lose Stubbs, but would be worth it, especially since Heisey is capable of playing CF and we’ve got Dickerson too.
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hardy could be our PTNL in the Weathers deal...
kidding…I’d love to see him in red though…
by Lookouts00 on Aug 12, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happened
I’d almost forgive Walt for giving up Stewart in the Rolen deal
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy for Weathers?
I would DEFINITELY forgive giving up Stewart. Then again, I’m pretty timb-ish when it comes to pitching prospects
by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heisey is "capable" of playing CF
but all the analysis I’ve seen rates him significantly below Stubbs defensively.
The Reds have made moves toward and paid lip service to “pitching and defense,” so they better fucking stick to it and be excellent up the middle.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
add a park effect too, NYC
Some of his flyball outs would look better in GABP
by timb116 on Aug 12, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar is their future SS
I don’t think that affects Hardy’s trade value much, it just means that he’s available. Looking at cumulative stats is fraught with danger. He was brought up before he was ready as a scrawny kid who was looked at as a all glove – no bat SS. He also had a couple significant injuries that affected his hitting and fielding. I also don’t trust BIS or STATS evaluation of the undefined line drive. The “decline” might mean he’s hitting more HRs or that the evaluator changed.
After Melvin gets off the phone with Walt who lowballs him, do you think he’ll give a call to the GMs of the A’s, the Giants, the Twins or the Red Sox to mention a few off the top of my head who might want a good SS?
p.s. I had to throw an old timey word, “fraught” in there as an homage to Fay and “legerdemain” which is more old timey, but then he’s older than I am.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was Hal
The only time Fay ever used “legerdemain” was in a post about expanding Great American.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 12, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
The only time Fay ever used "legerdemain" was in a post about expanding Great American how much he liked the movie I am Legend.
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Aug 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mobile rec'd
Baseball must be a great game to survive the fools who run it.— Bill Terry
by nycredsfan on Aug 12, 2009 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Votto is not the only one
a former Red also seems to be in an emotional slump
by jacob brumfield on Aug 12, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good lord
that’s one of the most frightening and depressing things I’ve heard in a while. Thoughts and prayers from my humble home to the Schoenweis family.
by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand privacy laws
but don’t athletes(& famous people as a whole) understand that not releasing details leads to wild speculation and rumors(see steroids)
I am dying to know really wonder what the cause of death was
by jacob brumfield on Aug 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bet it's drugs
They said they found nothing wrong, and were waiting for toxicology results. That usually means drugs. Either accidental or suicide.
And it looks like Schoeneweis is going to lose his suit. He’s already lost the first round.
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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you don't take offense to this, but it's none of our business.
On the matter of steroids an argument could be made that the public should be given all pertinent information, as it affects the game on the field. The circumstances of his wife’s death, regardless of the cause, should not be fodder for public consumption in my opinion. To publicize it in the national media is just ghoulish and reeks of tabloid journalism.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not according to longtime US law and tradition
In the US and UK, death certificates are public documents, available to anyone who asks.
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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't commenting on the legality
It was more my outlook on the morality of the situation. The public does not in any way benefit from knowing how Mr. Schoeneweis’ wife died, all it will do is likely cause him and his children more distress at a time when they really do not need it.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the First Amendment applies
Death certificates have traditionally been public information, and should continue to be. The fact that the decedent is famous shouldn’t enter into it. Just like public deed maps list the owners’ names, even if celebrities don’t like it.
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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I'm not arguing the legality of releasing the death certificate
I am just hoping that the media will show a little grace and maybe even dignity in reporting on a sensitive family matter, which would have received little or no coverage had it not been the wife of a celebrity.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fat chance
Schoeneweis is probably making it worse by filing suit. If he didn’t, it would have been a one-day story at most. And probably mostly of local interest. Trying to seal the records is only increasing interest. I suspect even if he succeeds, it will be leaked.
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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, suit or not
Schoeneweis is likely to be hounded morbid creepy low level National Enquirer types. Few things fascinate the masses more than a dead wife, especially if the hubby is famous or away from home a lot…
Dignity?
Grace?
Sympathy?
Empathy?
Now more than ever we need these moral characteristics to some how take root in the barren soil of media – landscape , they are nowhere to be found.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Aug 12, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misc
Hardy’s reaction to the demotion. Its interesting that he is pals with Escobar or at least that’s my impression. I think Alcides’ every day glove is one of JJ’s old ones. They are both supposed to be whizzes at table tennis and text back and forth including during the trade deadline. I’d also note that the idea that sticking him in AAA puts him on the borderline of another year of control has been floated.
The new pitching coach,
Chris Bosio was the Reds’ Chatanooga pitching coach last year. There is a Dick Pole resemblance joke here but I’m blanking.
I wonder if Docram was right that this guy could be a menace. What’s up with 2 HR games and 3 2B games?
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who has ever been demoted
and said they were excited?
Did not expect that reaction at all, handled it well. So in conclusion, Hardy cannot play for the Reds. To play for the Reds you must deny your suckitude. Maybe Hardy can get some tips from Taveras or Patterson
by jacob brumfield on Aug 12, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get everyone excited for USMNT-El Tri
by Cy Schourek on Aug 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Luckily for me, I don't know Spanish, so I don't plan on keeping the volume on for this one.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I don't get Telemundo
or Mun2….ridiculous that ESPN or Fox soccer isn’t showing the game…
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Aug 12, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i get telemundo
but apparently the wrong one. cuz i’m still getting mexican soap operas.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Mads? it would be too much work
but I could make a tape of sport talk radio today that would probably make him belly laugh. Grandpa Simpson Homer is screaming how Macha should have been axed because he is a “pitching manager.” Squeaky is talking about trading for Harang and described him as about as good as Gallardo. I think that was more of a knock on Gallardo. Et cetera. And they all hate Hardy and think he is basically warmed up trash like Kendall and Hart.
Now the local paper beat writer (not Haudricourt) is trashing Hardy and they’re discussing whether he has any trade value at all. They’re making it sound like Rosie for JJ straight up might work. Why does a paper hire a reporter who lives a lot of the time in LA, loves the Dodgers and doesn’t like the Brewers?
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow... Adam Rosales for JJ Hardy?
i thought our media was brutal…
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that many care, but Timmy Howard is good.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from ESPN about Bill Hall
The Brewers will eat about $11 million in salary to Hall, who was designated for assignment.
He is owed $2,006,557 from the remainder of his $6.8 million salary this year, $8.4 million next season and a $500,000 buyout of a $9.25 million club option for 2011.
if they think that’s a lot of money, wait til they hear what it would cost us to DFA Taveras!!!
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit.
That’s a lot of money. But he was just DFA’d maybe they’ll trade him or he’ll clear waivers and they’ll try to outright him to AAA?
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know anybody who is in need of a 3B that badly.
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess if he's that bad.
Why can’t the Reds DFA bad players..
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can refuse waivers
because of service time and I expect he would. Basically, as I understand it, they have ten days to see if anyone wants to trade for him and they will no doubt eat most of his contract, but someone can say “we’ll give you this prospect and pay X amount of dollars” and trade for him.
by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The decline of Bill Hall has been swift and remarkable
OPS+ last four years: 125, 89, 79, 59. And we hate our hitting coach.
by ken on Aug 12, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if perhaps he lost his pharmacist
it’s a shame that that is the first thought that pops in my head when someone has a serious decline.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost said something to that effect
But to give him the benefit of the doubt, Milwaukee has jerked him around all over the field. It’s possible he lost focus on his offense.
by ken on Aug 12, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
1-0
Charlie Davies
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1-1
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's here if anyone else wants to watch it
http://envivo.terra.com/deportes/live/259-eu/
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, much better quality than what I was watching.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sala llena...
porque no hay entusiasmo para futbol aqui en los estados unidos? fokin telemundo…
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Que?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the room is full on that streaming site.
the translation is:
why isn’t there enthusiasm for soccer here in the U.S.? fucking telemundo…
i realize now that i spelled some things incorrectly…
by GrooveLeg on Aug 12, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be able to tell you if it's incorrect or not.
Also, keep checking back to that site. People are popping in and out. You might get a chance to pop in.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Telemundo had the rights to this game before the Confederations Cup
I believe ESPN passed on it. Then the US beat Spain and went toe to toe with Brazil, and now everyone’s interested in them again. ESPN tried to buy back the rights, but Telemundo declined and held onto the game. To their credit, ESPN has really been pushing soccer and the USMNT, even doing a half hour pregame show to a game they didn’t even have the rights to. It’s the first time they’ve ever done that.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 12, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing what winning can do, isn't it?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but I'd love to.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-1 half
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted this trivia on Twitter
and I wanted to see if who could get it here:
Name the two current Reds players who have been with the organization longer than anyone else.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harang and phillips would be my guess
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Aug 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
misunderstood your question
thought you meant only with the big club
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Aug 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
1. Harang
2. Votto
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Aug 12, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just peeked
and am shocked at the answer.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Aug 12, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Votto is one of them, but not Harang
I believe he is the 4th longest tenured with the organization.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanigan is the other
Any guesses on the 3rd?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close
He’s 4th
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Aug 12, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tatum is not 4th, he was signed in 2004
after they acquired Harang.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BK just educated me on Twitter
Harang is not 4th. He’s 5th, at best.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Ramon Ramirez fits in before Harang too. He was signed in 2003.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should just shut my hole
The missing pieces are Camilo Vazquez and Chris Dickerson, but there are probably more.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there are any more after that
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In peeking
I also discovered that Burton was one of the Moneyball picks. Did we know this?
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Aug 12, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lineup
via the Fayplacement
Dickerson, left field
Taveras, center field
Votto, first base
Phillips, second base
Valentien, right field [sic]
Gonzalez, shortstop
Sutton, third base
Tatum, catcher
Bailey, pitcher
I guess Rosy played himself out of the lineup yesterday…
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by BubbaFan on Aug 12, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind Sutton getting a shot.
But man, gotta keep Gomes and Balentien in the lineup. Move Sutton to 2, Gonzalez to 7, Gomes to 6 and that lineup is much more intimidating.
by jsl413 on Aug 12, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Dusty has probably always thought of Gomes as a lefty specialist
And I think I’m inclined to agree with him, though they ought to just go with Balentien-Dickerson-Gomes across the outfield until Bruce is back. Balentien and Gomes are the ones that need to be evaluated for next year, whether it’s gonna be a platoon, Balentien starting or biting the bullet for a FA bat in LF.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Aug 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
and I thought Rosy was starting to look a little better out there. Sutton can switch hit, though, maybe Dusty thinks he has a better shot against Carpenter. I don’t try to understand Dusty much anymore, though.
by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's just giving him a night off
neither players are everyday starters in the big leagues.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that makes sense
Rosy has alot more starts than he was ever supposed to get already
by Red_Poodle on Aug 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I mentioned that Tim Howard is good?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another amazing save.
Ho hum.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is great.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this really the Best that Dusty can come up with?
Dickerson, left field – Good
Taveras, center field – Overmatched
Votto, first base – better at 4
Phillips, second base – will swing at the first pitch at every AB against Carpenter
Valentien, right field [sic] – Lets see what happens against a really good pitcher
Gonzalez, shortstop – So he’s finally gotten hot and dusty moves him to 7th
Sutton, third base – you’ve got to be kidding..Overmatched
Tatum, catcher – Guess Hanigan’s neck is really bothering him
Bailey, pitcher – Poor Homer, with this line up he’ll have to pitch an 11 inning no hit shut out to get the tie.
Then again I wouldn’t want to be negative…Go Reds.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Aug 12, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A couple of good bits from the Sports Pickle
Catcher accuses pitcher of throwing at him
Tony Larussa brings in Capricorn to pitch to a Leo
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was better....
Oft-injured Cincinnati Reds third basemen Scott Rolen will return to the lineup later this week from concussion symptoms where he will remain indefinitely until he his hurt again. “We will evaluate Scott on a daily basis and see how long he has to remain in,” said Reds manager Dusty Baker. “I know this is frustrating for him. He usually has definitive word on a season-ending injury by this point in the season.” Rolen says he hopes to be back to 60-percent as soon as possible
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Aug 12, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch, I didn't see that one.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 12, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap.
2-1 Mexico
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 12, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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