18 game capsule, take 6
On July 28, shortly removed from a difficult road trip, the Reds dropped a 3-2 result to the lowly Padres. The loss knocked the Reds to 8 games back of the Cardinals, and officially kicked off Buckeye season. Knowing that no one was paying further attention, the team then lost seven more in a row. Meanwhile, GM Walt Jocketty awoke from a three month nap, mistakenly thought he was leading a team in a golf league where low scores are good, and made his move for the stretch move. The following stats are through Friday’s games.
2009 Reds, Capsule 6
Overview:
Wins/Losses: 4 - 14 (PSA), 47-61 (YTD)
Strength of Schedule: .489, YTD (14th most difficult in NL; 28th most difficult in ML) [Prev: .487 YTD SOS, 16th most difficult in NL; 30th most difficult in ML]
RPI (ESPN): .476, YTD (14th best in NL; 27th best in ML)
[Prev: .484 YTD RPI, 13th best in NL; 25th best in ML]
Baseball Prospectus playoff odds (based on team stats, YTD): 0.0% [prev: 2.2%]
Baseball Prospectus playoff odds (based on ELO concept): 0.0% [prev: 2.8%]
Baseball Prospectus playoff odds (based on team stats + PECOTA projections): 0.0% [prev: 2.2%]
Offense:
- Hitters performed at rates of .200/.266/.350 for the period, compared to league averages of .266/.335/.432.
- The eight "regulars" with the most plate appearances this period were Hanigan, Votto, BP, Gonzo, Eddie, Nix, Willy, and Gomes. Four of them had PSA OPS levels below .502 (the usual two, plus Hanigan and Nix).
- T-Virus watch: 62 plate appearances in the period, one extra base hit, one walk. However, his .203 batting average for the 18-game stretch was better than the rest of the team.
- Joey Votto finally played some team-ball and hit his first sacrifice fly of the season. Votto turned in his worst period of the season (.262/.319/.538), but was still the best hitter on the team over the stretch.
- Newcomer Wladimir Balentien has taken a "get on base" approach to his craft, reaching base seven times in his first 17 plate appearances. Indoctrination typically takes some time.
- An interesting line for the period from Jonny Gomes: 53 AB, 10 hits, 6 HR, 3 BB, 20 K. Adam Dunn says "Kudos, sir."
- Playing amateur statistician here...if we take the six distinct 18 game periods, and line up the RC/G for each period with the corresponding "HAVOC rate" (SB + CS) / (1B + BB), there is a correlation of -0.49. Correlation is not causation, of course. I would guess as the Reds grow more hacktastic, the desperation on the basepaths grows. In this last period, the most pathetic offensively to date, the Reds attempted steals on a staggering 14.4% of "opportunities". Incidentally, the Reds have been successful on steal attempts at a rate slightly worse than league average.
Pitching:
- It gets worse. The team ERA for the period was over a run worse than league average (5.47 vs. 4.32).
- Home runs were a significant problem for the team in this latest stretch, giving up 1.8 HR / 9 IP, against a league average of 1.1 HR / 9 IP. Four of the starting pitchers (Harang, Cueto, Owings, and Bailey) allowed taters at a rate of 2.0 HR / 9 IP of higher.
- One pitcher who did shine was Justin Lehr, who threw a complete game shutout en route to a 1.93 ERA in his first 14 innings on the year. Unfortunately, impending doom is impending: 7 walks and 4 strikeouts in that span, and a BABIP of .178.
- The starting rotation had been viewed as the strength of the team coming into the season. At this point in the season, the four full-time starters have ERAs of 4.23, 4.52, 5.10, and 5.35. The league average is 4.22.
- As a composite staff, the numbers are all generally about average, with the primary exception of HR allowance (at a rate about 25% higher than league average). The park presumably makes up for some of that, but only some.
- The defense is regressing ever so slightly (YTD DER now at .700, compared to .701 at last glance), but this is still an upper echelon defense (4th in the NL, 6th best overall).
The next 18:
- 7 games at home, 11 on the road
- 9 of the 18 against divisional opponents
- 8 of the 18 against presumptive 2009 playoff teams
- .471 average winning percentage (2009) for the teams in the next 18 games.
The Trade: Rolen for Encarnacion, Roenicke, and Stewart. Ignoring the two pitchers (and the concussion) for a minute, was this an acceptable deal? I tried to look at this through a semi-old school way, using Bill James's old career projection model known as Brock2. There are better projection tools available now, and any proper analysis should take salary and defense into account, but I like Brock2 because it allows a broad view of a player's career arc. Things to consider: at the time of the trade, Scott Rolen was on pace for his highest ever batting average and to tie his career high in doubles. On the flip side, his walk rate is at an all-time low, and his HR rate is very nearly at a career low, continuing a recent trend. Rolen will be 35 next year, and Brock2 sees Rolen's 2009 performance as a last hurrah of sorts. Projections for 2010: .260/.324/.394. To speed this along, Eddie's 2010 projection is incredibly rosy: .282/.375/.541, primarily driven by two factors: a) hitting the peak age of 27; and b) dramatically improving his walk rate this year. While there are many factors at play with EE's 2009 numbers, and I take these projections with a grain of salt, Encarnacion is vastly more likely to post better numbers in 2010. And he costs less. And Roenicke was a very serviceable bullpen arm. And Stewart has torn through the minors. Not good.
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But they don't take into account the "veteran leadership" factor.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention Rolen's proximity ot his childhood home
which was brought up often in favor of the trade and apparently matters for some reason.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Aug 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They expect an attendance boost.
Jasper, Indiana, is a booming metropolis of about 13,000 people and dammit, they’ll travel for all of Scott’s 35 games he’ll play next year.
Look how happy they are: CHALK WALK!
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 10, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
jokes on them
rain is in the forecast for tomorrow
by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 10, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Also depressing is knowing that the season is only 2/3 over
by riverfront76 on Aug 10, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha
you have 3 more of these to do
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Is my contract up yet?
I’m running out of things to say about certain lead-off hitters.
by riverfront76 on Aug 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the bright spot- Rosales
he actually has been very solid with the glove aft a rough 1st 2 weeks.
And has been hitting well since his demotion. He actually hasnt been bad all year except for one historic, horrific June where he actually had a negative OPS+.
So I wouldnt mind Adam getting a little more run at 3rd base while the Reds witchdoctors work on Rolen.
Well, at least one wish this year will come true
Face it, next year’s team has to know if Adam can back up third for extended periods, because Rolen will take extended vacations.
I didnt think about that
Adam’s minor league record is better than what I thought. Is big problem 2008 was his walk rate took a dive but it has rebounded nicely this year at AAA/MLB.
So I 2 headed 3rd base monster next year Rosales/Rolen- 5-6 WAR Baby.
since coming back up July 12
he’s hitting .316/.333/.605/ for a .939 OPS, making just about everyone begrudgingly accept that obc may be correct.
Are you serious?
I’m not accepting anything based on just 39 PA. His previous 40 PA he batted .086/.175/ .086. Neither of those is right.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 10, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying I expect him to put that up over 600 PA
I just think that it’s more likely for a good player to put up a crappy 40 PA than it is for a bad player to put up an atmospheric 40 PA.
If Rosales gives the Reds 2-3 years of 100 OPS+, I’m a happy man.
Right, but neither of those 40-PA stretches
gives you much reason to suspect that he will ever have an OPS+ of 100 over any reasonably long period.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
but with his minor league track record,
put together with his hitting since being recalled, makes it seem more likely that he’s average than terrible. That’s all I’m saying. And I sincerely miss bashing Rosie, more than most, I would say.
I'm not trying to bash Rosales
just saying that I wouldn’t put anymore weight on his recent stretch than I would on his previous stretch of terrible hitting. I’d still guess that’s he’s at best around a 90 OPS+ type of player.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
40 PA is nothing
take away a HR and a triple and his line is .263/.282/.421. Not saying he doesn’t deserve the numbers that he’s put up, but all I did was remove two hits and suddenly he’s very pedestrian. I don’t think 40 PA say anything particular about a hitter.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I agree, you really can't look at such small samples and draw any meaningful conclusions
I will say that Rosales has looked better at the plate since his return, which I’ve been saying since before his recent hot streak began. He just looked lost at the plate before he was sent down.
"Even if he is average, I’d still take him over Willyevergetonbase Taveras." - Randy in Chatt on redsminorleagues.com
by RedsMasochist on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Slyde. i still he's terrible. But, they need to know before they count on him to play
the 50-60 games Rolen will miss next year
I still "think"
That’s not what Syde said, so the relation between those two sentences is more precarious than usual
plus i just dont like his face
http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/5/52/Player_profile_Adam_Rosales.jpg
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"

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