Would the '74 Reds have won it all if the Wild Card had been in effect?
Ok, so things are kind of hard to think about right now with the current team, so here's a historical question: Would the '74 Reds have won it all if the Wild Card had been in effect?
The Reds won 98 games, while the NL East winning Pittsburgh Pirates only managed to win 88 games. This was basically the same team that won it all the next two years, but they didn't even make the playoffs in '74, basically due to some bad luck.
Possibly it all would have been moot anyway, as the division winning Dodgers ended up losing to the A's 4 games to 1, but I thought it was an interesting question. Maybe some of the old timers can chime in, was '74 as heartbreaking as '99?
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How about this
If the divisions were realigned like they are today, assuming no surprises from the expansion teams, the Reds would have won the NL Central by 10 games and would have faced Dusty Baker’s Braves in the playoffs. I imagine the Reds would have swept the Braves in embarrassing fashion, shaming Baker so much that he would never even consider the opportunity to manage the Reds when it was presented to him.
Who knows where we’d be today…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Back to back years of sub-.300 OBP lead off men have conclusively proven
That Dusty Baker is beyond all shame.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 1, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
As Posnanski put it
"I don’t care. I am who I am. And I am invincible."
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
What's wrong with a little imaginative fun ?
I ask myself – Self what would it have been like if Heather Mitts had run off to Tahiti for a couple off weeks with me in 1974….
wait was she even born then…
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Wild Cards and Pennant Races
I wasn’t around in 1974 so I’ll defer to those who were, but I remain partial to the idea that a 1-2 month stretch in which two great teams battle to the finish and only the best will do is more exciting than the post season tournament.
On August 18th the Reds were 2.5 games back from the Dodgers with all to play for, no safety net. By September 14th they were a mere 1.5 back having just taken the first 2 games of a 3 game series in LA. All year long the teams basically knew they had to top each other and for a month they had been in the final kick. Now there were 16 games left and only one team could advance. This is an excitement that was unique to baseball among all sports. Tune in every night folks.
Had there been a wild card the playoff seeds would have been essentially locked in since September. The teams would have been taking it easy, setting up their rotations for a short series in which luck would play a greater role. Yes, it sucks that the Pirates won their division with 88 games, but these were 6 team division. It’s not like an AL West winner today. At the beginning of the year the Reds knew they had to best the Dodgers over 162 games. They came up short. It was called a pennant race.
And this works the other way too. The 1976 Reds could have been bumped from the playoff tourney by an inferior wildcard team (say the 92 win Pirates—the Reds lost 2 straight to the Pirates in July of ‘76 and followed that with a loss to Montreal). I don’t think it likely because the 76 Reds were the greatest team in history, but I have a lot more confidence in them proving that greatness over 162 games than over 5 or 7.
by Red Menace on Aug 2, 2009 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I don’t disagree with you actually, the lizard part of my brain just has so much trouble accepting that a 98 win team doesn’t get anything at all to show for it. I wonder if finishing second was looked at as a pretty decent season back then, since only four teams made it to the playoffs, i.e. roughly equivalent to making the playoffs now as a Wild Card team and then making a quick first round exit.
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde
Sure, the Reds were capable of winning it all.
Likely, I don’t know. Oakland was very good and the Reds’ pen wasn’t quite as strong as it would become. The 70s were interesting in that the had it not been for the Reds, the Pirates might well have won five world championships. The Dodgers could have won a couple, too. And Cincinnati could have won it all in some of the seasons that LA or Pittsburgh took home titles.
That was a great time to be a fan, especially as a kid.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Steinbrenner
I think that Castellini is going through his early Steinbrenner phase. Think late 70s through mid 80s. Acting with utter impetuousness until he realizes that he should just let the baseball guys do their jobs, and stay the hell out of the way.
lets hope you are right Bob
because if not, its going to be an ugly 21st century
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That is really an interesting scenario
The Reds didnt lose many 3 game series that year. That was one of the remarkable things about that team. They might lose a game, but losing two in a row just didint happen with them. The team was hard to beat at positions from top to bottom, starting pitching would have probably been an interesting discussion though. Of course with Sparky that didnt matter much, but the bullpen was not as good in 74 as it was in 75-76. Clay Carroll and Pedro Borbon were good but McEnaney and Eastwick had not yet come into their own. I cannot remember but I believe that the starters were Gullett, Norman, Billingham, and I think that they platooned Tom Carroll and Clay Kirby in the 4th spot, but dont quote me on that . Id say they would have at worst taken someone to a NL final game. I know this much, they were a lot of fun to listen to, and those August-September nights on the radio were something else. It was Marty’s first year in the booth, and he couldnt contain himself some nights….lol….
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I think I would have really liked Young Marty
by Brendanukkah on Aug 2, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
he was much better
when a guy goofed up he called him on it but didn’t dwell on it and drone on and on and on. He also was very fair and almost impartial. Of course with that group you could be because chances are the Reds were going to win anyway.
I do not remember any rants against drugs using players (i.e. Pittsburgh Pirates) like he does now
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I was a 9 yr old kid who thought
the sun rose and set on Reds baseball…..the bengals were ok in those days, but Reds baseball was the beginning and end of a kids sports dreams. Al Michaels was good too, but Marty was more enthusiastic. And he and Joe fit together well from the start. There were a lot of really disappointed people in 74 who thought the Reds would be back to get it all…..73 was a nightmare, and no one knew why 70 and 72 went like they did. No experts with all of their massive amounts of data to sift through. Marty and joe were the experts and they told us all what we needed to know. Reds didnt make weekend TV baseball much back then, although Tony Kubek and Curt Gowdy called a few really good games on NBC. But they werent Marty and Joe.
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