Worst loss in Reds history
Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Cole Hamels. It's easy to look at all the runs Philly scored and give credit to one of the offensive players (Shane Victorino, Greg Dobbs), but don't forget that Hamels did what he usually does against the Reds: dominate them. Seven innings of one run ball, giving up only three hits. He also only struck out two, but he had a good day at the plate as well, going 2-4 with two runs and 2 RBI. Subtract away everyone else, and Hamels still would have single-handedly beat us.
Key Plays
- Jonny Gomes hit a home run in the second inning.
- Trying to mount a 21 run comeback in the ninth inning, the Reds got runners on second and third with no outs and Votto, Janish, and Gomes coming up to bat. They did not score.
- Every other time you turned around the Phillies were scoring three runs. Except for when Jayson Werth hit a grand slam. Then they scored four.
The FanGraph is posted in Game Thread 2 (thanks, BK!), but suffice it to say it was at 100% Philadelphia victory after Johnny Cueto gave up 9 runs in only 2/3 innings.
Other Notes
- This was the largest margin of defeat in Reds history. Remember how far back that goes.
- Johnny Cueto's ERA went from 2.69 to 3.45. Paul Janish's ERA went from 45.00 to 49.50.
- Every one of the Phillies starters had a hit and everyone except Ryan Howard scored a run. Howard was removed in the fourth inning.
- Only one of the 22 runs was unearned.
- Tip of the hat to Carlos Fisher and Josh Roenicke. Between them, they pitched three scoreless innings, giving up only three hits and striking out four. Roenicke still hasn't given up a run in the majors. In the search for a silver lining, let's remember that yesterday Roenicke came in against the Cardinals with the bases loaded and no outs, facing Albert Pujols with Ryan Ludwick on deck. He surrendered zero runs. No one really made a big deal of it in the game thread, but that was badass.
- Back to the carnage. Jay Bruce went 0-3 and made an error in the outfield, calling Brandon Phillips off a pop up then letting it drop. Not a good day for Jay. A day off couldn't hurt things.
- The Reds now have a -43 run differential. Only four teams (Washington, San Diego, Baltimore, and Kansas City) have worse run differentials. Arizona also has a -43 run diff. Philadelphia now is at +40, the only team in the NL East with a positive run diff.
- Johnny Cueto gave up 9 runs in .2 innings. Is that worse than Arroyo giving up 10 runs in 1 inning against Toronto?
- It bears repeating: This is the largest margin of defeat ever in Reds history.
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I blame this loss on Jerry Narron
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i blame this loss on Johnny Almarez
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame this loss on Madville
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame popped collar.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 7, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame my wife
for not beckoning me to the bedroom.
by fourrunhomer on Jul 7, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is quite a rough patch
I had a softball game tonight and got there when it was 4-0. I wasn’t too bummed out though ’cause it was early. After my game, I got back in the car and was pulling out when Marty said 16-1. My jaw dropped and I just sat there and almost got rear ended. Are things really this bad? The only silver lining I can come up with is the all-star break next week.
by coocooforcocoapuffs on Jul 6, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two games: 32-2
the find news way to fall apart every year, don’t they?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
on MLB Network, Mitch Williams just said that Ryan Howard is affectionately called, “Big Donkey.” Really?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more he talks, the more Williams sounds like an idiot
somebody put him on ESPN please.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 6, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Louisville won 15-1/ Carolina 8-1
so it all evens out. Drew Stubbs had the bizzaro Taveras line 0-1 with 5 BB.
by davidmac84 on Jul 6, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for stealing my Farmers Only headline :)
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 6, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chone Figgins had a similar line last night I believe
by Brian B on Jul 7, 2009 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Which is worse
this loss (or one of it’s ilk) or the stomach-punch Pujols grand slam game?
by Red Menace on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this one
at least homer put up a great game. This one was just miserable.
by thevole on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, for exactly those reasons.
This was a blowout from the get go. That one we haaaaaad…
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking history into account
i was happy at the end of that game because finally, homer had a good start, no matter what the final score was. At least something positive came of it. What can we take away from this one, other than a broken bullpen?
by thevole on Jul 7, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying, but it's still the other way around for me.
I went through the seven stages of grief after the Pujols grand slam on Friday night. Tonight’s game was a laugher, for me, at least.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Jul 7, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Ash
Friday was a gut punch to end all of them. We would have won that series with the Cards. This was a chin shot, nevertheless.
I hope that loss and the Pujols grand slam wasn’t some kind of poison arrow that will reveal it’s deleterious effects as the season wears on
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may be the antidote
If this loss doesn’t get them motivated, then nothing will. If Dusty can’t use this to motivate the team, then his contract should be terminated with cause.
I’m not going to panic, though. It was one game. If you’re going to have a huge “run differential”, isn’t it better to get it out of the way in two games than to spread it out over a bunch of them?
by Deker on Jul 7, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stomach punch, by far
athletes shake off blowouts as anomalies.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Motivation
I’d rather see it as a source of motivation for the team.
But, it does feed on itself. You’re down 10-0, there is a tendency to give up on the game. Would they have played the remainder of the game as poorly if that first inning hadn’t happened? Probably.
by Deker on Jul 7, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been thinking about that
The Yankees fell behind 7-1 today, then clawed back to fall just short, losing 7-6. Game ended with the Jays’ closer clearly tiring, a man on first, and the hot-hitting Hinske at bat. I think that was worse than just being blown out starting in the first inning. The last and most terrible evil released from Pandora’s box was Hope.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least this year the reds aren't whispering to us to go away; they're yelling
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 6, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't know what to say.
I cannot freaking believe the shame I feel with this team right now. .
This team needs a big change made. What happen to Cueto tonight man.
I kinda feel like the players are just giving up on the season all of a sudden. There does not seem to be that spark or drive that we had early on.
Something has to change. and soon or forget this season .
Jason King
by JayTheRed on Jul 6, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i really would like to see Harang take control of things tomorrow
and throw a complete game shutout. Alla this game. For those of you who don’t remember the day before the Reds were shutout 11-0, and in this game Harang replaced and injured Eric Milton on three days rest
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would not surprise me.
My only question is: “Is Dusty manager enough to turn this into a season-changing motivator?”
If not, then it will be a steep decent.
I’m looking forward to the All-Star Break, if not exactly the All-Star Game. If the NL loses again, I’m officially ending the tradition of watching the game with my friend from Boston, as it will officially be a jinx.
by Deker on Jul 7, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved it when Harang injured Milton
that’s why he’s my favorite pitcher after Joey Votto.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 7, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he did it on three days rest.
If he would have had his normal four days rest he might have run him out of town sooner.
by fourrunhomer on Jul 7, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game made me feel like crap
so bad, in fact, I think I feel like that dog in the cymbalta ad and I’m not really joking
I hope Harang can stop the bleeding, but he hasn’t had much run support lately
Complete game shutout would be nice ith a par of grandslmas by Votto and Gomes. That will provide me with sweet dreams this evening I hope lol
by Red_Poodle on Jul 6, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
this team isn’t much with the run support these days, no matter the pitcher.
by thevole on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is really depressing is if Johnny put up his more typical 7 inings of 2 run ball
they still lose.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 7, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I told my bro that we lost after that first 2 run homer
which really was a dissappointment—bright spot, Votto’s hit streak continues
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
janish can pitch back to back days
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 7, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about our hard throwing Short stop
his ERA wa sbetter than Cueto’s thisgame
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Janish not play any position for several weeks
His arm hurt the last time he pitched, and I can’t imagine it’s any better after last night.
by Brian B on Jul 7, 2009 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to chalk this up to the cascading effect of
getting roughed up in the first inning. Cueto dug himself into a self-defeating hole. Phillies hit with more confidence. Subsequent relievers weren’t motivated to blow their arms out in a 10+ run pasting – with the exception of the two guys who are least established in the bullpen. Remember, six of the runs of those runs were scored on Janish.
I’m hoping this defeat – by virtue of it being so outrageous – forces some kind of knee-jerk move. It’s an embarrassment for the franchise. A purge of the entire coaching staff would be fantastic – but I would settle for any personnel move that evinces any kind of shame.
My willingness to devote time to this team as a fan is predicated on knowing that those in charge are actually trying to think critically about improving the product on the field — ie getting paid to do all of us are doing for free because we’re devoted fans. Evidence of this is sorely lacking.
The paramount value of not making outs is almost completely ignored.
Jay Bruce flounders with no apparent adjustments to his swing and plate approach.
Phillips gets complete deference, staying at 2B and perfecting his “fadeaway” swing.
Inferior veterans chronically block the PT of superior younger players
I don’t care if your payroll is $30M, no team in MLB should be starting Willy Taveras nor batting Taveras-Hairston 1-2.
No MLB team would let a legitimate ROY candidate rot on the bench
I could turn the page easily on this loss if I know this organization was finally on an upward trajectory. Despite the talent they have, I have little confidence they’ll stop spinning their wheels and start getting serious about understanding baseball. Here’s hoping someone is throwing bats into the showers, telling Bronson to cut his hair and stop dicking around and waking up to the startling realization that you have to acquire the best players you can and then play them instead of instituting some ill-begotten seniority system.
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 7, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’d rec it, BUT THERE IS NO MOBILE REC’ING!!!!!
C’mon!
by Brian B on Jul 7, 2009 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The mobile site is very much bare bones, even for the mods
I like it that way. Less time sitting and waiting for javascript to load.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 7, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah
This shit sucks. My favorite team, the team I’ve loved my WHOLE life, is left in the incapable hands of a Mr. Dusty Dumbass Baker. Pompous Dusty, fine yourself for being an awful choice for the Cincinnati Reds.
by ryaneversole on Jul 7, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
been reds fan my entire 35 years on this earth
and the last 2 games have been the WORST I have seen in a LONG time…this team continues to flirt with turning the corner only to fall off the cliff in July. looks like the same thing now.
by celticinorlando on Jul 7, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Friday's loss was the worst fo the bunch
I can tolerate a loss like last night because it was a freak occurrence. Friday night was a game they should have won but blew it.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 7, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I feel
we were ahead going into 8!! It was horrible and I don’t even want to think about pUjols’ grand slam right now
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're agreeing with me?!?
welcome to the world of enlightenment
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston is ahead of us!?
I just looked at the standings. This better be a wake up call to the Reds. They can’t keep saying “it’s just a loss” when their genuine shot at the division is lsipping away
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston is tied with the Reds
both are 3.5 back at 40-41.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did it
The Reds managed to find a way to make studying for the bar even worse.
Poor Johnny, I hope he’s able brush this aside like he should.
by teb7 on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When I saw Harang pitch against the Phillies this year
he looked dominant. Maybe Harangatan can shut these guys down tonight. Whoever said we need to hit Werth is right. Showed no love to poor Paul Janish out there on the mound hitting that grand slam. He needs a grand slam in his back tonight.
Even if the Reds can’t scare them with their pitching and offense, they can scare them with their petty, yet painful retaliations. I know it’s unsportsmanlike, but it would make me feel better
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poodle bares her teeth!
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 7, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grrr!

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I love that pic. We’re gonna get those Filthies tonight!
by Red_Poodle on Jul 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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