Soy un perdedor. So are the Reds, 5-3.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
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I went to go drink to help process this day. At the bar, the air conditioner was busted, there were four taps, but only one was connected to anything and that was connected to Bud Light. And then that tap broke. Seemed like a reasonable metaphor for the Reds organization.
Anyway, I watched the game, but left after Votto and Phillips hit back to back jacks. I knew that would be the high point. I still cannot believe Walt didn't move Weathers at the deadline, and it came back to bite us in the ass tonight. Tip of the cap to Justin Lehr and Adam Rosales for (barely) keeping us in it during the early going.
I don't have any humorous or interesting tidbits to add. My heart is not in it right now. But if you need a place to discuss the game (the game thread's a little full), here you go.
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Give this man a fucking award.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
they give awards for that?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If you're any good, you should be given one.
/Lewis Black’d
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to go through customs to get it
Joey Votto already has them all and is hoarding them in Canada
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
Times are tough, but Scott will get us Rollin'!
I don’t feel any of the optimism that subject implies. This is the bleakest I’ve ever seen this team.
The Reds lost. No surprise. Tomorrow may be better.
In other news, I may be the only person who can injure himself in a lazy river at a waterpark. I’m a moron.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
hahaha, I think we need details on this
FTH did you pull that off?
"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"
Stupid innertubes
I sat in a tube, ready to start my leisurely ride around the lazy river, when I noticed that I wasn’t positioned entirely correctly in the tube. I was wondering to myself, “Isn’t there anyone else we could have thrown into the deal besides Stewart?” and wasn’t really paying attention to what I was doing while I shifted. Anyway, I overshifted, and got too much of my weight toward the front of the tube (where my head was.) I flipped over backwards, and whacked the top of my head on the bottom of the river. I don’t think any serious damage was done, and I don’t have a concussion, but man, that hurt my head (and my ego.)
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Trying to figure out the exchange rate?
Hopefully, flipping Marty and Cowboy off on his way out of town
I really hope he ends up hitting .300 and belts 30 HR next year...
Just to show how terrible our coaching is…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
New hitting coach: Hi Edwin, I'm the Blue Jays hitting coach
Edwin: The Blue Jays what?
by Brian B on Aug 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
from where i was sitting...
body language and appearance showed my Laynce and A-GOnz would have rather been somewhere else tonight….i’m sick of the deuce playin short…cut him now..
Yeah, Gonzalezes are a dime a dozen
We have a talented enough fielder in BP to handle SS easily. I would rather see Brandon play right over top of 2nd base and field both positions, AND get to bat twice, than have Gonzo slot around the infield with a tired and apathetic look on his face.
"Taco fillings!"
by Lucky Pierre on Aug 1, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Wishing Gonzalez were somewhere else
I’ve had that same look on face ever since the Reds signed AGon
by Brian B on Aug 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i went down to the game tonight
i had a rain check from the first week of the season. This was the first time my heart wasn’t in a Reds game I was at. I was actually rooting for the Rockies because as I’ve said before Aaron Cook’s mom was a secretary at my Dad’s office, I never met either Cook, but still.
I wasn’t real upset when Lehr struggled, and I wasn’t happy when Votto and Phillips hit their home runs, and it wasn’t the normal dagger through my chest when Weathers gave up the back to back job in the 8th.
I remember feeling like this when the 2003 team was dismantled, but I came back and remember watching Sarafeni start, and what not. I don’t know if I will bounce back.
Bloop
Break it on down.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Aug 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sprechen sie deutsche, baby.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Aug 1, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
One of my top 10 albums ever. No bullshit, brilliant stuff.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Aug 1, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What's crazy is the team isn't being dismantled per se
But a bunch of random, contradictory moves are being made.
Why deal Cherry for basically nothing if you’re going to turn around and add a ton of salary in Rolen?
Also, even if Rolen comes and plays like a 4 WAR player next season (fangraphs top end estimate if he stays healthy) this mngmt is fucking clueless if it thinks it can run Taverases and Gonzos out there hitting 1-2 and this team will score runs. They just don’t get it, and now with Volquez’s future in doubt we really could’ve used Stewart next year as starting pitching depth. Now we probably can’t trade Bronson even if someone wants him cause we’ll probably need him next year, which means with Rolen’s salary there probably won’t be any money to improve the team, so we’ll be running the exact same shit out there next year.
I’m sad
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 12:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
yep
I think that’s what it means
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Aug 1, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, Drew Stubbs' AAA line through about 400 PAs
.281/.368/.378. 40 steals in 46 attempts
Not much power but he’s getting on base, stealing a lot and successfully and playing GG level CF defense.
What the hell are they waiting for?
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by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 1:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i guess at this point it isn't wise to start the clock when the season has wasted away
imagine this.
The Reds drafted Lincecum, didn’t trade Hamilton for Volquez. Hamilton plays center, with Bruce in Right, and a tandem of Dickerson and Gomes in left. Even better the Reds kept Dunn, and he starts in left. If you put an outfield of Dunn, Hamilton, and Bruce, that makes this a scary line up.
C-Hanagain
LF-Dunn
1B-Votto
CF-Hamilton
3B-EdE
2B-Phillips
RF-Bruce
SS-Janish (with the other 7 players, they can take the hit on offense)
P
Rotation:
Lincecum
Harang
Cueto
Arroyo
Bailey
FUCK YOU KRIVSKY. I have been a real Wayne appologist, but not drafting Lincecum hurt ALOT. I realize the draft is a crapshoot, but that was something that looked bad at the time.
Bloop
those are 2 things that could have changed the direction of this team
The Reds could have afforded Dunn (lets throw everything else out), given the money the Spent on Willy T, and Rhodes, take that out and they are well on their way towards Dunn’s contract.
Bloop
Don't forget
We could have bought out Gonzo, not wasted $ on Hernandez, and not extended some worthless fuckers like Weathers and Lincoln.
Honestly the Reds have more than enough assets to win right now, they just do everything so fucking wrong time and time again, costing them.
I don't hate the Stubbs over Lincecum deal
But it does hurt. However any franchise can do that in the draft and said we should have taken this guy or that guy.
However You could add in that Lincecum over Stubbs and Gordon Beckham over Yonder and give us a bonafide starting SS currently.
True
However, I feel like it was a consensus on draft day we were going to take Stubbs, yet not many of the pundits criticized the Reds heading into the draft and not many felt like it was that bad a bad choice. Many felt like Stubbs wasn’t the upside guy but I understand the Organizations thinking since we had be burned on that type of upside pitcher before. i.e. Gruler, Howington.
Its deff not the worst draft mistake of the last 10 years either. In 2001, taking Sowers when we knew he wouldn’t sign over David Wright and not signing Nick Markakis to a deal are our biggest blunders of the decade.
or Chris Grueller over Kazmir
or completely missing Jeter (I know more than a decade ago, but still).
Bloop
Whether you like the Rolen deal or not,
you have to realize a better GM would have been able to get Rolen for a lot less. Reports have come out that Rolen requested a trade, so JP’s hands were tied, yet we gave up a very good package for him. I see clearly that we said we will sell you Zach Stewart for about 4 million dollars and the Jays jumped on it, rightfully so. Walt’s a fucking joke.
Lets face it, the guy was available to the Reds for a reason. Not many World Series winning GM’s are fired a little over a year after they win the damn thing! I would venture a guess that Walt was just a name with the GM label while a good coaching staff, scouting department, and other parts of the front office ran the show. Rumor has it the guy did nothing and even LaRussa wanted him out in StL. So yeah I’m not shocked he is fucking up our organization, the guy was a castoff and merely took a ton of credit where he obviously didn’t deserve it, because had he deserved it, he wouldn’t have gotten shitcanned.
A contrarian point of view. He'd been there for a decade, building a team that was in several NLCS's before
he won the Series.
Many of the folks I read before and during the season (national folks, not Reds folks) said that Stewart’s ceiling was as a middle reliever/set-up man. You may not remember that TJ Matthews was supposed to be the crown jewel of the Cardinals’s staff prior to him being traded for McGwire.
See, Walt has a history of trading for veterans and giving prospects who do not ever come close to filling their alleged potential.
This move cannot be judged at present. It can be judged first in a few weeks and then in the off-season and finally in about two years. If Rolen stays healthy and his shoulder is actually fixed from the surgery last season, then this could be okay. If the Reds whine about not having any money and, as a result, fail to fill the holes at CF, LF, or SS from within the organization or outside, then it’s terrible. If Edwin continues to be a spotty, inconsistent hitter with a terrible gove, then it’s a winner. If Rolen gets hurt and the Reds are left with Rosales/Janish at third for long periods, then it’s a loser.
In the end, I’m betting we’ve see the best Josh we were gonna see AND Stewart makes it to majors as a bullpen cog and nothing more and Edwin slightly improves, but finds himself playing DH, and lastly, that the fans of Cincinnati and Jasper, Indiana love watching Rolen play the 20 games he plays this year and the 80 he plays next year and the move fails.
But, I’m a pessimist, just not as big a pessimist as many people writing this morning.
Unfortunately...
If we lose more than one of Edinson/Micah/Homer and/or trade either Aaron or Bronson, it doesn’t really matter if Stewart is a legitimate major league starter, since we’re just going to be trotting out the next-best cheap replacement we can find—which will almost certainly be worse than Stewart.
We weren’t dealing something expendable here, and we made sure we wouldn’t have the money to pick up a good replacement when we need another starter. So yeah, it doesn’t really matter if there’s a good chance he’s more of a middle reliever.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm really angry
like i would have been kinda okay if it would have been EdE for Rollen straight up. It would have clearly been Toronto dumping salary, and the Reds dumping EdE. I wouldn’t have been happy about it, but it would have made some sense.
But to package 2 touted pitching prospect plus EdE makes me think that Walt over valued Rollen. I read all about the value he will add in leadership. Wouldn’t a good manager and coaching staff negate the “leadership gap”?
FUCK YOU WALT!!!
This is why i may be done with the Reds. I was okay in 2001-2003, 1999 didn’t feel too long ago then. I realized in 2004 and 2005 that the farm was dry. In 2006 i started to see hope with Bailey and Cueto, that hope built in 2007. Last year I started to realize that this team will make bad decisions. This year I realize that the reds will squander the window of opportunity they have with Bruce, Votto, Cueto, Bailey, Volquez, etc.
Bloop
JP just killed Walt
gotta believe he identified Stewart as the one player he wanted from the Reds and waited and waited till Walt folded. And then to pull down Roenicke also is a little ridiculous. Like you said it should have been a straight salary dump EE for Rolen and the Reds take the hit on the salary difference.
And if the money difference was too much- dont do the trade. But as it is Walt sold a top 5 prospect for less than 4 million. Huge mistake.
If we really were in that much of a bind financially
First of all don’t do it
But if you decide you just have to, dump some salary instead of literally selling part of the farm. Bronson for a crappy minor leaguer or two with a little upside but don’t eat any salary. It would have given us this as a net:
Bronson and EdE for Rolen and a crappy minor leaguer. I honestly could have lived with that.
I think that is one problem
Walt couldnt move Bronson- probably couldnt move Harang.
Just doesnt seem to be the market for teams to take on 10 million dollar plus contracts unless they are an elite pitcher.
But if you dont have the finances dont use probably your top pitching prospect to get the deal done.
Doug at RML is saying
Walt had them moved but Bob wouldn’t eat any of their salary. THAT is frustrating
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by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can we also remember Riccardi isn't actually a genius
ask BJ Ryan and the one season he got from AJ Burnett and how Adam Dunn hated baseball. His track record is not exactly good
Yep.
That’s basically exactly what happened. Walt decided that he’s in love with Rolen, and JP took advantage of him like a drunk girl on prom night.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I also have grown to hate Marty and Cowshit
They criticize the players for not playing fundamental baseball, and not being focused, but they constantly suck Dusty’s, Jacoby’s, and Dick Poles Cock, and than swallow all the bullshit. Remember in 2007 when Marty said it is a shame that the Narron was being run out of town.
How can you say that about the players, and not naturally question the management? FUCK YOU!!! I want Marty to retire, tHom, Cowshit, George, and Chris all fired, and I want some bland announcers like Steve Stewart.
I dont’ feel like i’m going to be spending much money on the Reds. I probably won’t get MLB audio or TV next year, even though i will be living in Chicago, i may take in a game when i visit cincinnati in the summer, but I won’t break my back to get down there. I’m so angry with this team, its managment, ithe front office, the management, that i can’t believe i spend any money to see them.
Bloop
Doug over at Redsminorleagues.com
Has a good post up about our salary commitments for next year. Basically, we have over 70 mil committed with no bench and no starting SS. (and Willy T in CF)
Basically, we’re fucked.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
ugh
That really is ugly. They’ve got to move Arroyo, Harang, and/or Cordero. Or Bob’s got to increase the budget. Or Paul Janish will be our starting SS next year.
On the bright side…after last night’s Yankees game, Cashman might be willing to pay more of Arroyo’s salary.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
But Arroyo
Like that's going to worry the Yankees
Giambi, Clemens, A-Rod, Pettitte…the Bronx is Juice Central. I think they’ll love his “do everything you can to win” attitude.
And the Yanks are stuck. Mitre is not cutting it as a fifth starter. And there’s nobody left in Scranton except Kei Igawa – and they really don’t want to resort to him. (Seriously – Scranton is so depleted of starters the bullpen is a regular part of the rotation. They patch together a start out of three or four relievers.)
Worse, Joba Chamberlain is on innings limit this season. The Yanks are not only going to have to find a fifth starter, they’re going to need a fourth starter, too, before the season’s over.
Deadline’s past. They’re not going to get a bargain, because anyone who’s a bargain won’t clear waivers.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I bet Bronson is looking better and better to the Yankees
perhaps Jocketty and the Yankees have already had these discussions. Bronson could still end up in teh Big Apple. I’ll miss the PED sampling, guitar playing towhead.
One thing I will add
despite the dismantled lineup and the the awful losing streak, I didn’t see the total apathy I witnessed on wednesday. I can stomach this team as long as they don’t utterly give up.
Yep.
Consistently 97-98 with the fastball. Cordero is the only other guy in the organization that can do that.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
this team will have to win 5 times a week until october for me to give a shit about next year
it will also help if we dump salaries in waver trades because we’re fucked if we wait til the offseason. right now, bob and walt look like chumps. these trades seem so random and reckless. i wanted to sleep on it and wake up with a different attitude, but that didn’t happen.
i’m still going to follow the team but it will take a lot for me to feel optimistic about next season.
I bet he's feeling just fine...
He’s freaking ecstatic to get the hell out of Cincinnati.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
hope he destroys the Rangers whenever they play against Toronto
i also hopes he becomes a fucking all-star next year. I also hope the Reds lose 100 games next year, forcing Walt and Dusty to be fired.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
No
He was reportedly very upset when he was told he was being traded, poor guy.
I’m sure he’ll get over it, though, and see the bright side.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I don't blame him
They’ll probably say that he’s a jerk or immature or an egomaniac, but I don’t blame him. It’s a bad enough situation without having to talk to the press about it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
According to (I think it was) Chris Welsh yesterday
He came out of Dusty’s office after being informed with a smile on his face and apparently pumped his fist in the air. As Chris told it, he didn’t want to talk to the media in an apparent “Fuck You” (my words, of course) kind of move.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So sayeth the media.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about the Rolen trade the less sense it makes.
The more I think about being a Reds fan, the less sense it makes.
yeah fuck it
i’m a white sox fan now.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
until a few years ago
Red Sox fans fretted about living an entire lifetime and not seeing a WS championship club….but they were damn loyal and passionate. i admire them for that alone.
im a little sick of folks saying they are going to give up being Reds fans.
"I piss excellence"
by obc2 on Aug 1, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah I'll stick around
I have ‘99 to keep me hopeful lol. My hope is that Rolen is incredible, hits .400 never gets hurt again and plays another 10 years. Not to mention top plays every week. I wish Edwin all the best, but that doesn’t mean I need to hope Rolen fails.
Amen obc
I mean, yeah it was a retarded move. But that doesn’t change anything. The Reds were a crappy team when I fell in love with them, why would them still being crappy change my mind? It’s not like we’ve had a legitimate shot to win anyway.
Yes, I liked Roenicke. Yes, I thought Stewart was a stud. But regardless, the trade was made and there is nothing we can do about it. I’ll still go to games and I’ll still enjoy watching my team. It’s baseball, it should be fun.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen (that I remember) a WINNING Reds ballclub.
It’s hard to be loyal to 10 years of losing baseball. And right now, it’s at the lowest of the low.
Agreed dude...
Let’s give this deal some time before we get too upset. What if Rolen goes two solid years? Although I would like Dusty gone, I’m not giving up on the team.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
why should i continue to get excited about a team
that continues to make terrible decisions? A team that wasted several good years of Adam Dunn, and will do the same with Aaron Harang. Maybe it just isn’t interesting anymore.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not really on the brink like that,
but the Reds have now traded my favorite player two years in a row. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to feel a little wary about continuing to put my heart into cheering for the reds.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
sorry 'bout that
its a bummer when your personal favorite ballplayer leaves the organization, i get that.
i differ from many on the site and believe that a championship ballclub needs leaders, not just stat guys. EE and Dunn are stat guys and merely complimentary pieces on a winning ballclub. Unfortunately they were main cogs in Cincy due to a lack of overall talent elsewhere, therefore, they were expendable.
"I piss excellence"
I don't ask for much
but please make Willy Taveras your new favorite player.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
Would rec if I could
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by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
from Joel Sheehan form BP's trade breakdown
Biggest Head-Scratcher
The Reds had slipped nine games behind the Cardinals heading into last night’s game, and with one of the game’s worst offenses backing a disappointing rotation, seemed like a seller. Then they completed a deal with the Blue Jays to acquire 34-year-old Scott Rolen and the last $15 million (less some undisclosed amount that the Jays are paying) left on an eight-year deal he signed before his body broke down. Rolen is having his best season in some time, and brings a strong glove; however the Reds can’t leverage his talent this year and are unlikely to in 2010, because they simply won’t be good enough. As I put it in chat, it’s as if Walt Jocketty thought, "Hey, the last time I traded for Scott Rolen, my team won the World Series a few years later." It’s a bad deal for a team that seems to not understand where it is in the success cycle.
The Reds seem to think they can be competitive next year
Most everyone else doesn’t.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I think it depends on Dusty- Even if we manage to field the entire NL All-Star team, with Dusty at the front, then they are poor
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
i agree.
dusty does catch shit for some things that aren’t his fault, but his ability to write lineups with what he’s got is absurd. a good lineup can make a difference. i highly doubt TLR would bat those guys 1-2 given the rest of the team.
But even when there is
He still bats Taveras and Gonzo 1-2.
Hanigan has never hit above 7.
Maybe it wouldve only made a 1 or 2 game difference, but Dusty clearly has no idea how to put a lineup together or even what makes a valuable player.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
im not a Dusty apologist
but im much more critical of Walt for the poor roster construction than I am of Dusty for butchering the batting order.
"I piss excellence"
As Slyde has pointed out, a computer can set a line-up. Most of what managers do is behind the scenes
Who was he supposed to bat lead-off? Did he have two .400 OBP guys he neglected to put at the top? The closest thing he has is a 28 back-up catcher who hits for no power, but has taken a lot of walks. So, who does he bat second. His 2nd baseman with the .320 OBP? Gomes, Gonzo? Nix?
He has nothing to work with. Hal wrote an entire article about this yesterday.
Dusty’s weird line-ups are not the reason this team sucks
the problem
with Dusty batting Taveras and Gonzales 1-2(2 of the worse 5 NL starters) and also 2 of the worse OBP- dramatically illustrates he has no clue on how a team scores runs.
He really doesnt care about getting on base. This is a manger that gave over 500 PA to Niefi Perez/Corey Patterson. In short- Dusty as a track record of giving both an inordinate amount of PA to some of the worse offensive players in the last decade- he often will bat them in the 1 or 2 slot in the order.
And although the Taveras debacle is ultimately on Walt- I would be willing to wager Dusty was also a prime mover in bringing Taveras over.
And likewise the organization now devalues players that derive offensive value by have strong plate discipline ie Stubbs and Dickerson.
he's done that seven times, quit acting like he's done it everyday
Dickerson DID bat first or second and play almost everyday until he was hurt. And, Stubbs is still at Triple A, because they want him to hit for power.
Dusty is weird, but the idea that he hamstrings a terrible offense with terrible line-ups is not accurate. The team stinks.
You can't say that Dusty's lineup decisions aren't his doing.
Don’t think that he doesn’t have any say on the players he has on his roster, because he definitely does. Walt isn’t picking up guys like Taveras and Patterson without Dusty’s encouragement. Walt’s done his fair share too, bringing crappy players on, but to absolve Dusty of not putting the best team possible on the field isn’t right either. Both of them are to blame.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, correct me if I'm wrong ...
but Dusty doesn’t HAVE to start or even play certain guys. Correct? Yes, they may be on the roster, but this isn’t the All-Star game.
Just look at Janish.
And then, ask yourself this (prior to the trades): What’s keeping Willy from being Janish?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again, Dusty told Walt to go out and get him Willy Taveras
solely because he wanted him to lead off. I’m not putting all the blame on Dusty (because Walt’s a bitch for giving in to him), but that’s why you have the leadoff hitter you do.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Walt is not finished
Its the waivers game now and I’m betting that we’ll see some more changes before Sept. 1st.
Again,I am happy to have Rolen, I don’t think we gave up much at all for him. He’s still hitting and playing at a high level. Neither Josh not Stewart are ever going to be all that good.Josh certainly hasn’t been anything to write home about.
If we could just rid the team of Gonzo and Taveris…heal up the pitching we’d be ok…Jay Bruce and Homer are big keys for the future of this club. way more than Ede.
the trade has been transacted on with the game!!!
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
you don't know that josh and stewart won't be that good.
if you throw out the unknowns (potential of success of the young guys, health of rolen, etc.) then this is a great deal. if you throw out the knowns (performance, level, status, money, age, etc.) then this is a horrible deal.
you know that all the best players in the game were once prospects, right?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
no shit
but you cant always dismiss prospects like they’re non-helpful entities. Every player in the majors was once a prospect. You’ve beaten that drum so much that you’ve lost sight of the fact that teams actually need prospects to continue to grow. that’s like cutting out all the buds from a plant and saying “they’re just seeds.”
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Actually, I do find this inaccurate portrayl interesting, but, as I explained to Slyde yesterday,
it just ain’t true. Many of the folks here worship prospects like they are guaranteed linear progression future stars. I love the folks here, but prospects are things you use and things you trade, not things you worship.
Ask Jay Bruce. He’s can’t miss, except he has twice. Not saying he stinks or we should trade him, but the idea that prospects are more valuable than average major leaguers is just not accurate. A balance needs to be struck.
Somehow, because I hold Heisey, Frazier, and the rest in the same esteem every national publication means I don’t like prospects. Untrue, but, hey, at least I can say the site’s not cliquish!
dude
you’re the one who keeps saying “prospects are prospects” as if everyone isn’t aware of that. you’re being paranoid if you think anyone here “worships prospects like they are guaranteed linear progression future stars.” No one said Stewart is guaranteed to be a star major leaguer. But there’s a much better chance he’ll contribute more to the Reds in 6 cost-controlled years than Rolen will in 1 season at 11 million and 35 years old.
That’s the reason prospects are so valuable to small-market teams; you can have a bunch of them play at once. If you draft smart, trade for top prospects and build your farm system correctly, you can sow a bunch of those guys at low prices and have a better team. You can’t do that with free agents or established former All-Stars unless you have the funds to bankroll something like that. The Reds cannot go that route, so they have to invest in lots of prospects or they will fail.
And no one said there’s anything wrong with trading prospects. If you have them to burn in certain areas, of course you should flip them for organizational needs. But the Reds traded a still-cheap third baseman who still has some upside, a high-ceiling starter with 6 cost-controlled years left and a flame-throwing reliever with 5 cost-controlled years left for a past-prime former all-star with 1 more year on his contract. It’s not just trading subway tokens for a mazerati.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
actually Doug at RML, who nyc pointed at, said Stewart would win the AL Cy Young
And, I dispute the idea that a middle reliever cost controlled for six years (on a team with depth at middle reliever and “average arms”) is more valuable than an All-Star position player on a team with no offense for two years.
Lastly, boobs, you’re accusing of liking this trade when I can produce the evidence of me hating getting rid of EdE when there are actual holes on the team unaddressed. I don’t like this deal because of the MLB talent traded, not the idea that Zack Stewart has crazy value. I, in fact, have the first comment on Fay’s blog, hoping Rolen would deny permission for the trade. It was a stupid trade, but not because of Zack Stewart and Josh Roenicke, but because of the MLB player the Reds acquired and the china doll they received.
In a million years I would have never made this trade in the situation. However, I would have traded Zack Stewart in a heartbeat
But that's kind of the point though
If you say you’d trade Zach Stewart in a heartbeat, what would you trade him for? There isn’t one universal value for prospects; some are worth more than others, and that differs from one organization to another. For the Reds, Stewart is the best starting pitcher in the system, and should have been virtually untouchable. Doug at RML and I don’t agree on everything prospect-wise, but I’m totally with him that I’d rather have seen Alonso be the one traded over Stewart and Roenicke.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't argue with the numbers Wood's put up this year
But he doesn’t have even close to the stuff Stewart has.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, for the most part
But he’s been starting most of this year, and doing very well with it. I would think the Reds and the Jays both look at him as a starter prospect.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Aug 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say you liked the trade?
I’m just annoyed by the strawman arguments and your failure to acknowledge the value of cost controls and the importance of contracts. Were out of it this year. This was a trade to get rolen on the team for 2010. One year. For that we gave up 6 years of one of our two best starting prospects and five years of a guy who is proven to be at the least a serviceable reliever and who could turn into a very good setup man. Even with the risk inherent in their prospect status, they’re still more valuable than one year of Edwin at five and a half million dollars. I like Edwin too, but for 2010 we definitely got an upgrade at third base. What we lost was a net 11 years of Stewart and roenicke. Yeah, Stewart hasn’t proven he will be a top starter in the majors, but the odds suggest he will be much more valuable in six years than rolen will be in one.
That’s all I’m trying to point out. If you want to get on Doug for saying he thinks Stewart has cy young talent, then go to his blog and tell him. This notion that everyone over here is worshipping unproven prospects is bogus. We just see value in them, which you apparently can’t.
Also, I hope I don’t come across as an asshole. I like you as a commenter and think you’re one of the best new voices here. I just think you have a tendency to get stuck on these contrary ideas (prospects are just prospects, it’s not dustys fault, etc) and lose Track of big-picture logic.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Aug 1, 2009 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's the real fun of deals...
will rolen perform – stay healthy
will those young pitchers develop
will EdE suddenly become league average…
But when you are wheelin’ and dealin you gots to be taking some risks…
No such thing as a sure bet.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
great point
its more important to delete Taveras and AGon than moving Arroyo or Harang. if V needs TJ surgery i think you stand pat with the current rotation for 2010.
"I piss excellence"
No one's gonna take AGOn or Taveras
Luckily Agon’s contract is off the books next year, I’d almost give away virus
Exactly
the trade has been transacted on with the game!!!
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
oh my fucking god you are walt
when the front office is “quiet”, it is really because you are on a drinking binge.
Bloop
Ash's boobs?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
To Jim Day, boobs are like
“bags of sand”
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!
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-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
BP 2003 top 20 MLB prospects
1. Mark Teixeira (hit)
2. Hideki Matsui (Japanese import, not relevant)
3. Jose Reyes (hit)
4. Victor Martinez (hit)
5. Jose Contreras (Cuban import, not relevant)
6. Brandon Phillips (eventual hit, one organization gave him away for peanuts)
7. Hee Choi (fail)
8. Jerome Williams (fail)
9. Joe Mauer (no brainer)
10. Chris Snelling (fail)
11. Jason Stokes (fail)
12. Rich Harden (hit, but health issues)
13. Jesse Foppert (fail)
14. Marlon Byrd (fail)
15. Michael Cuddyear (decent)
16. Shin Soo Choo (late bloomer)
17. Aaron Heilmann (meh)
18. Brendan Harris (meh)
19. Kurt Ainsworth (fail)
20. Travis Hafner (4 years good, then severe decline)
So thats the Top 20 prospects in all of baseball that year. Lotta misses, no? (i just happened to have the 2003 BP within arms reach). The Reds didnt trade a top 20 overall prospect to the Jays and Walt is getting slaughtered for giving up too much.
"I piss excellence"
I'm not seeing your point.
That list isn’t exactly full of people who have excelled at AA and AAA.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Leadership notes
teh Fay has a post up with his views aboujt the trade (sorry no link I don’t know how to downsice it). He is skeptical of the move, as most here are. His discussion, though, brought he question of leadership to mind. I suppose this means that BP and Votto are not considered leaders for this team anymore? That would be a strange and sudden shift. I’m doubtful it will work, either, given what many here have aid about Rolen’s attitude.
Then again, from what some of the Blue Jays players said, it sounds like he was a decent leader. We’ll find out soon enough.
i really doubt hte need for leadership
i would really like to have a roster of 25 selfish players who all have an OPS+ or ERA+ over 100 than 25 over the hill fading leaders. Fucking hire ED to lead.
Bloop
Baseball is not really a team sport.
It’s a sport where almost without exception, if everyone acts in his own interests, the team excels. Sure, there are times when people need to work together, but those are rare.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You mean last year's Yankees?
Turned out well for them.
The Rays, however, had a young team with talent, but it wasn’t until they added some veteran pieces (Percival, Baldelli getting healthy) that they turned up the heat.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
How about the difference bewtween the 1990 and1991 Braves
Terry Pendleton, some left-handed starter I can’t remember
Ow, just ow
The guy’s name was Charlie Liebrandt and I saw the Braves win at Homecoming the year after I graduated college…..damn, I’m old and the Reds have sucked since I was almost young
i dunno.
the braves added pendleton, sid bream and rafael belliard. the first two were big pickups (pendleton was an MVP, though he didn’t deserve it), and though belliard never could hit shit he improved their infield defense significantly. The Braves also added a closer (juan berenguer) who had a career year, steve avery turned 21 and went from 3-11 to 18-8 and tom glavine turned 25 and added 10 wins to his 1990 total.
i dont know what the point of this is… i guess just to say that the braves weren’t really the same team, and i wouldn’t chalk up their worst-to-first effort to leadership. i’d say the kids blossomed and they made significant off-season upgrades.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
also, their bullpen had one of those magical years
where everyone seems to click at the same time. In addition to Berenguer, Mike Stanton, Kent Mercker and Marvin Freeman all had sub-3.00 ERAs and really low WHIPs. (Stanton was a call-up and Freeman came over from Philly in a 1990 deadline trade for Joe Boever, their previous closer.)
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I hate the leadership argument
Thin,k Dave Justice needed leadership? Glavine? Bullcrap, good players don’t need people to tell them to be good.
I watched part of the game tonight and am just annoyed over this trade. I hate that my team will suck until 2011 at the earliest
me too Justin - well said
On the other hand i’d rather have a proven MLB 3B who’s hitting well and has a strongOBP than continue to wait and wait for Edwin to ‘blossom’
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
That was a good post by Fay
and I generally agree. He also raises the payroll issue.
The most discouraging part of it was when he said that Bob will never go all in on rebuilding, which means we’re going to be stuck with moves like this and CoCo’s contract as long as he’s the owner.
The one positive was that Walt mentioned Rolen, Votto, BP, Bruce, and "the outfielders in AAA as something to build on next year. He didn’t mention Taveras and he did Stubbs and Heisey. That’s hopeful at least.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
look on the bright side
at least we’re not Pirates fans.
by onemoreredoctober on Aug 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Volquez to have surgery
Can’t link, but check out Fay’s blog.
Not saying if it’s TJ or the prognosis.
This sucks and probably ends talk of a Bronson trade.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A pasting of my prescient comment. Good for me
Volquez will be having surgery on his ulnar collateral ligament in the next 6 months
or my name is not Tim. A year without him? That is gonna suck big time. Might as well point our I have no inside knowledge of these things, just the experience of watching tendonitis become a torn ligament as more test and rehab continue.
The most unfair part, besides him not being around for most of the 2010 season, will be the blame Dusty gets for it. He has been careful with both of his Dominicans, but he’ll get blamed for it.
Mark my words
by timb116 on Jun 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
First one ever
Makes me weep. The return from TJ surgery is now 9-10 months. Volquez could have been ready to go around May next year.if the damn surgery was done in June of ’09
It does suck
Volquez is dominate. I just hope that he can come back next year after the surgery and pick up where he left off.
He has to, he’s my favorite player!
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
weird
They won’t say if it’s TJ surgery.
A prognosis for recovery will be determined after Monday’s surgery, the Reds said.
That’s kind of weird. Usually they know before they go into surgery…
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On WLW and during the Reds TV pregame, yesterday, they continually said that
EV’s issue was with his back and shoulder and not with his elbow. Day (FWIW) said on two different accounts that it had nothing to do with his elbow.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr. Timothy Kremcheck, ladies and gentlemen
Give the man a round of applause.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and walt
this same shit happened with carpenter in 2007, so he lost all of 2008 too.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they know whether it's frayed or torn and to what extent they will have to correct the problem
It’s almost like exploratory surgery
in that it is exploratory surgery
maybe they will get in there and discover it is just bone chips.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 2, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
just to be clear i'm not predicting bone chips but is a posibilty
Apparently MRI’s don’t tell the whole story. They opened up Dempster thinking he had bone chips in his elbow in 2003, and discovered his tendon was torn, and judging from the scare tissue it had probably been torn for quiet a while.
I guess if it TJ, if we see Volquez at all next year it will be in relief (if the Reds are smart).
Bloop
Lineup just posted on Reds intern blog
Sutton 7
Gonzalez 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Rolen 5
Gomes 9
Nix 8
Hanigan 2
Bailey 1
Can we please call up Stubbs? I’m so freaking sick of this team letting injured players just sit around when we have the ability to replenish our bench with someone from AAA.
Why is Gonzo again in the two spot...?
It’ll be two out, nobody one with Votto up for the millionth time this season.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
I'm wondering that too
The guy has to play as some point… why not see what he can do in a full game?
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I honsetly think the middle of the lineup looks pretty phenomenal
There is definitely some potential for RBIs there…
Lets hope that Homer has a great outing tonight.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Why not call up Stubbs and see how he does in the lead-off spot? He can’t be worse then Sutton (no offense to the guy he just hasn’t been hitting very well). But I agree with the middle, seems pretty decent.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
Prolly not but wht would you bring a guy up and watch him fail?
Wadmore – whatever his name is should be in there along with Nix and Gome let em play for Christ’s sake…I don’t want to see no kids until september.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
He's a bench bat!
Dustbag has his roles. Taveras is the leadoff hitter. Hanigan is the backup catcher. Cordero is the closer who can’t possibly be asked to come in during a jam with 2 outs in the 8th inning (he hasn’t pitched more than 1 inning this year, and did only 3 times last year, once because he blew the save and stayed in for the 10th, during the infamous game where Harang pitched 4 innings in relief).Gonzo is the starting shortstop.
There’s just so much inertia with Dusty when it’s blindingly evident to everyone but him that changes need to be made. Now, I don’t know that he’s put Balentin in the role of backup outfielder already, but to not play him over Sutton (in LF? leading off?) is not a good move.
Sutton must be fast
Shame we don’t have any OFers in AAA to call up
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa
Why is rolen batting sixth? Dusty has no clue who this guy is. He hasn’t been a power hitter in five years. He’s now a contact hitter with the second-best obp on the team. It’s not a big deal, it’s just proof that dusty has no clue what’s going on in baseball
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Aug 1, 2009 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't he 5th?
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
Yeah your point still stands.
I guess he first game as a Red doesn’t matter that much. I just want to see how he does and then position him.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
Meant that as a positive.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
yeah
as uncomfortable i am about the trade, i am excited to see rolen in the lineup tonight.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I am as well
I’m hoping that he will make the team more fun to watch. As I said earlier, we can’t change the fact that the trade went down, might as well enjoy what we received.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And to be fair
He’s batted no lower than 6th for Toronto this year, and for the past month and a half has been batting 4th.
Dusty said yesterday
That Rolen would be batting fifth in his lineups.
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You know it's killing Dusty to bat his CF 7th
But at least he’s got an outfielder leading off, and the shortstop batting second. The way Baseball Jesus intended.
I really wish there was a way we could just smack Dusty
They should just let RR determine the lineups, we’d be in great shape!
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone think there is a chance that Sutton gets replaced later in the game for Wlad?
I really want to see this guy play.
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just browsing the depth chart for some unknown reason
Has anyone noticed that Sutton has replaced Cherry in every category? Apparently he is now our utility guy.
Cherry
is in the Yankees lineup today. He’s playing LF and batting 8th.
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Welcome Scott Rolen
Hopefully you are healthly, hit .320 the rest of your career and retire a Red ( with a discounted contract extention)
That is one thing about the Rolen deal noone is talking about…..He wants to be close to home (Jasper, IN) and Cincy is about as close as you can get. (besides St. Louis) This is important, if he stays healthly Walt will sign him to a largely discounted extention and him will likely retire a Red. I like knowing Rolen, Phillips, Votto, and Bruce will be providing stellar defense the next several years.
I see alot of you guys bashing the “leadership” card, but it matters. It really does, if you don’t think so then you probably have never played on a good team.
Fuck you Dusty Baker. In what fucking universe is that line-up the most productive from those players.
What’s wrong with Virus?
by Dave from Louisville on Aug 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
i played for the 2004 and 2007 red sox
we had no leader and a bunch of malcontents on the team, and we won two world series. because we had a bunch of fuckin talent
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I call shenanigans
How can you say there were malcontents with the leadership of Manny stalking around?
by wishfuldrifter on Aug 1, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And you also had the 2nd largest payroll in baseball
Seriously how hard is it to win with that big of a payroll? A team with the Reds payroll can’t do that.
You must also be big fan of the Bengals.
by Dave from Louisville on Aug 1, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
just saying
talent is always more important than the nebulous “leadership”, especially in baseball
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
also, as has already been pointed out
football is a team sport. baseball is a series of individual competitions with little teamwork involved.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
The point is that all that money bought assholes
who were really fucking good at baseball. That’s what you need to win, not “leadership.”
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Because Jeter and Rivera definitely are not leaders
The Yankees’ problems have nothing to do with a lack of leadership. Cashman just keeps overpaying for pitchers who aren’t as good as their contracts, and depending on young guys who don’t have the skills yet to be a successful phenom in the largest media market in the US.
Exactly.
Again, the payroll is irrelevant if it buys guys who aren’t productive.
But if you go out and by guys who have great years, it doesn’t matter if they’re leaders or jerks in the clubhouse: what matters is their production.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'd take that wager
provided that they’re as productive as they are self-centered and jerkish.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
the big red machine didn't like eachother much
morgan is joe morgan, pete rose is an asshole, johnny bench is racist, etc etc etc…
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Leadership is iverated when compared to a stacked deck of talented vets
But when you have a bunch of kids…a little leadership can be very beneficial
What position did you play boobs?
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Here's the thing that cracks me up about all this leadership stuff
Who the fuck decided Scott Rolen is a leader?
Is it because he’s a veteran?
Is it because he has a ring?
Is it because of both?
Guess what? There are a lot of guys that have both — and no one considers them a leader.
Shit, we already have a position player like that — Alex Gonzalez
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Jesus
Yes
Yes
Yes
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In many if not most organizations, especially sports organizations
a high per centage of producers are anything but leaders.
Especially when personal numbers are involved, those numbers that equate to their pay, that is.
High Sellers sure aren’t leaders, they’d run over their Grandmother for a sale
Tell me how guys like Johnny bench and Ted Williams wer great leaders in their prime.
But as they past their prime and begin to see the end of thier career then is when a select few find the ways and means to become leaders
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
remember when Mike Stanton brought his rings
he helped that 2007 bullpen so much. Todd Coffey was great that year.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
virus isn't getting the job done w/dustybag's daughter...
He’ll play as soon as he starts putting out.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Watching the ChiSox and Yanks game
First of all… Thom is announcing and it’s very strange to hear him talk about another team…
2nd… White Sox are lighting up Burnett… 6-0 in the 2nd.
Apologies to BubbaFan and my fantasy team (proud owner of AJ Burnett), but...
It’s really good to see the Yankees get beat around every once in a while.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cherry hasn't even had a chance to bat yet
He’s up next.
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and he takes one for the team
HBP.
He’s wearing #17. Um…Nick Green’s number?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
No, it was ball 4
I thought that ball hit him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Hey, BF, where did you read/hear that Edwin was upset after the trade?
I’m just curious as to why there seem to be polar opposite accounts of what happened.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I heard he raised his fists above his head and was like "FUCK YES!"
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
That is precisely what happened, according to my sources.
Who knew he had so much passion and fire? I guess being in Cincinnati kills that in you sometimes.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until the trolleys come!!!
That’ll brighten everyone’s day.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Will they be like the trolley on Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
with the music and everything!? That would be freakin’ sweet. They might need to be a little bigger, though…
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll probably be like the one's in Portland ...
which I’ve never seen.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They have great streetcars in Toronto.
Lucky EdE gets to see them years before they’ll make it to Cincinnati!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i heard he punched Cowboy in the face, grabbed his own balls
and said: “Clutch this”.
"I piss excellence"
by obc2 on Aug 1, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for hilarity
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps he's one of those dickheads that would do that in front of everybody
just to act like it isn’t an insult that he was given up on.
I tend to believe he was actually upset since he’s got some buddies on the team.
But who knows, the dude can barely speak english and you get the impression he wouldn’t if he could.
I'm pretty sure that just because he isn't a native speaker of English
that would mean he is unable to get a point across.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I think that's it
That’s why Nate McLouth cried when he heard was being traded, when you’d think he’d be celebrating. Even if the team is bad and you don’t have roots in the city…you have a bond with your teammates. He’s been with the same team for years, spending more time with them than with his own family. It’s upsetting to traded, even if he was expecting it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Try listening to him do another sport.
Check that, dude is terrible at college football.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a fucking minute ...
How do you get that game and I have the two following:
KC @ TB
LAD @ ATL
What the fuck? Chicago is closer to me than all four of those cities.
Fuck you very much NW Ohio!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yay Cherry walked!!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
and scored
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
yup
He’s starting off on the right foot with his new team.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Cherry who?
Ancient history is he..the one who once I thought was a fine utility.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
this proves it
It’s Dusty’s fault no one ever walks.
I’m only half kidding
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Aug 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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