They see me Rolen, they hatin'
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
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Out: Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Zach Stewart, Robert Manuel
In: Scott Rolen, Wladimir Balentien, Chase Weems
So, uh, how do you guys feel about the new-look Reds?
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Wow, that's an awesome commentary .... NOT!! If you don't have anything to say about the article, stay off of it! This "1st" BS is just immature. YAWN
by SuperNeil58 on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He better not go to KSR then.....
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You joined RR just to say that?
First is something that we do that is usually reserved for game threads. I’ll give GrooveLeg the benefit of the doubt on this one, just because it’s a continuation of another thread, but from now on, game threads only.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a brave new world, Reds fans
That has such lineups as these:
Lineup tonight
Sutton LF
Rosales 3B
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Gomes RF
Nix CF
Gonzalez SS
Hanigan C
Lehr P
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CRAZY liuneup
if it works, I’d be surprised, but I;m glad to see Sutton get a start (even if it’s at the totally wrong position)
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bruised labia
forrestgriffin’d
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome back from the dead
it has been a while since i’ve seen you round these parts.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at the line up for tonight
It will make you cringe
by fourrunhomer on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its not any worse than every other night
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think it kinda is
Who knew?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
World series here we come.
Will Rolen be available to Pinch hit / take oer for Rosales’s terribleness?
Has Sutton ever played professional LF?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont get why Balentin
isnt playing.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't paid his dues yet.
Dusty’s daughter aint gonna date herself!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Flights from Russia are a bitch
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
No hatin’ on Rosie!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong site. I can't help it
but I like you, so I’ll keep it to a minimum
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im with chazzilla on this one
"I piss excellence"
by obc2 on Jul 31, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well hey,
we’re only 5 quality players and a 20 game win streak away from contention!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we win 20 straight
we would still be 3-4 back, lol
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FML
i hate this deal… i liked it better with Alonso a part of it.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why is the new guy from Seattle not starting?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since we know they hate math
They probably consider the idea that the team is a 44-20 run away from the playoffs as the turf of “stat geeks”
by bobestes on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey it worked for the rockies...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jul 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great thread title
don’t want to hate, but I have afeeling it might be necessary
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that has to be close to one of the worst Reds line ups ever contsructed
in my memory
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what about the ellison/coats lineups?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you
I hate that shit Total Recalled away.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue sky on Mars...
That’s a new one.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even they
aren’t as bad as this strikes me.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with the top of this lineup, actually
Might as well let the young guys start, and I’d rather see them leading off than the Virus. Sutton especially, and Rosy to an extent, are still relatively unknown quanitites, and we know Taveras sucks.
I’d like to see Wlad starting and Gonzo sitting though. Play Wlad in left, Sutton at 3rd and if you must, Rosales at short.
by ThePensive on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense to chazzila, but Rosales has never been one to take a free pass
He is what he is (heck, he’s only four months younger than the player they just “gave up” on) and a second hitter on an MLB team he is not
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they had a decent 3b/ss combo
and some one with some pop in the OF didn’t they?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Very Very Very interesting lead-off hitters
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More on Peavy (MLBTR):
4:12pm: Peavy’s agent, Barry Axelrod, told Tom Krasovic that his client accepted the deal because there was no guarantee that the Cubs and Dodgers, Peavy’s preferred teams, would have made a move for the righty in the offseason. Axelrod knows Peavy’s contract no longer looks like a bargain, so he says he wasn’t expecting a deal.
“Frankly I am flabbergasted that the White Sox would want to make this deal with him in his physical condition,” Axelrod said.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why trade for an outfielder
and not play him? That’s crazy talk
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Day sent me this tweet
JimDayTV: The Reds may regret trading Stewart, life in the Big Leagues. There’s $ coming from Toronto to compensate Rolen contract
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got one from him too.
JimDayTV: Roenicke is no longer looked at as a prospect, he’s MLB ready and many clubs wanted him. Draft picks this year will fill void
That’s after I asked him why they gave up Stewart, because he’s a better prospect than Roenicke is.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teh fay is sayin
Walt wants to keep rolen past 2010-kills my theory that they’d move Frazier back to 3rd.
Sheldon says EdE was pretty upset when he was told.
Here’s to you Edward Encarnacion—I wish you all the best.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We too. What you think of this temporary Hawaii guy
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate it
Way too much to give, and shows me those in charge don’t know what this team really needs
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
farewell, Edward!
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Frazier can play 2B
which would move BP to SS, finally.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what would become of Gonzo?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my problem.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be a gimpy, but smooth Luchador named Cajones del Oro!
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for what it's worth, it killed me that I was working on Lego Rock Band for the last year and couldn't share that with you guys. :P
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll miss Edward
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me three
i always felt like he was just around the corner from being a terrific hitter.
july’s ops+ of 153 was pretty damn sexy
by onemoreredoctober on Jul 31, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor EE
He must have been expecting it though, surely?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind this trade
Ede was going nowhere fast… and prospects are prospects
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jul 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And 34 year old 3B are 34 year old 3B.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hopefully we'll get a couple of good years out of him !
34 ain’t old… especially when your 41
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*you're
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
34 is old when you are an mlb player with shoulder and back problems
his shoulder problems have sapped him of his power.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd.
And remember.. 34 is the new old.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen's salary scares me
not that we would have spent it wisely elsewhere
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we're not paying it!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we are
next year
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's important that his salary is not in a vacuum.
EdE would have made millions next year, too. It’s the differential in salary that’s more valid. And with cash perhaps coming in from Toronto, that will help further offset this differential…unless that cash comes in Canadian dollars.
As you know, the Reds only accept Bluebacks.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your optimism
except that 11 million minus 4 is still one good player
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i am guessing that EdE is a more efficant player than Rolen
i am guessing EdE will have a better VORP/$ ration than Rolen through out the rest of Rolen’s contract.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects are the key.
Maybe Edwin needed a change of scenery, but Roenicke has the best stuff in that bullpen and Stewart is the best pitching prospect in the organization. That’s too goddamn much for Scott Rolen.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think we gave up too much.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Can anyone explain how Jocketty won a world series in St Louis?
I’m not being a smart ass – I legitimately want to know how that happened.
by bobestes on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the genius of Tony LaR
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Duncan
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They squeaked through a very bad year for the division,
won it a few games over .500, and then happened to be hot at the right time in the playoffs. They were everything but the best team in baseball that year.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Suppan won some series award along the way
that truly is having the stars align
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, they lost something like 8 games in a row to end the season
Most fans didn’t think they’d make it, and kept saying they didn’t deserve to be there. I hated them for that talk then, and then they won a World Series. It didn’t make me feel better.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
They averaged 95+ games for 6 years prior to the 83 win champions.
by Red Menace on Aug 1, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who? Pujols?
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALBERT FUCKING PUJOLS
That was the easiest answer ever.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So
Long story short, Jocketty lucked into the best player of the last 20 years, and rode it to a world series. Which is the baseball equivalent of hitting a number at roulette.
by bobestes on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Votto+Bruce+Rolen=Pujols = World Series WOO HOO!
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by trading for scott rolen
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom roasted
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that MLB Trade Rumors article about him
that has since been removed suggested that the other teams have caught up to him, and he’s not able to screw them over on trades like he used to.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well they were really really good in 2004, but the 2006 World Series was luck
in 2004, a lot of things feel into place, he had some luck with Chris Carpenter, it was right before Morris feel off the cliff, plus Suppan and Woody (can’t thing of his last name), held it togeather.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you have to remember that the 80-82 Reds were in contention until the final weekend that season
the Cardinals weren’t even in the top 8 teams in baseball that year.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Rolen deal...
would’ve liked it better 6 weeks ago…no hard feelings toward EE, just like the veteran prescence and the .300 avg. I hate to see JR go, thought he’d be closing games for us soon…hope we find a SS soon, maybe the moves aren’t prefect but its something…i respect that…hope springs eternal! heading down to the game…GO REDS!!
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They did the dumbest possible thing they could think of
Pick up salary, and trade away tons of young talent for an old player.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know they picked up salary
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's owed $11 M next year
They picked up salary.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have one question
Why did the Reds do this?
I can understand dumping Encarnacion (even though I don’t like it), but why Zach Stewart and Josh Roenicke? How does this help the team to get a 34-year-old oft-injured 3B that costs a lot of money?
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they shouldn't have lost 8 out of the last 9 games if they wanted to win
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might have required someone in the organization to recognize
that the current lineup and strategy is ASS.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really a great strategy.
They’re so busy trying to prove to the fans that they want to win, that they’ll never actually win.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if they try to prove to the fans...
That they want to lose? Perhaps that would work better?
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It can't possibly work worse...
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they tried that
If this is too obnoxious (big) i wont’ be offended if it is deleted, but it proves a point.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
does this deal improve the Reds now? or more so for 3-4 years down the road
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the deals show
Jock thinks he can have a real winner in the next 1-2 years..
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very marginally now, and hurts us badly in 3 years
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like dealin the young guns
but ya can’t keep everybody…there Reds farm is still in good shape I think..but i see your point and bid you touche
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good shape
for us is mediocre to the rest of the league.
by bobestes on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe for position prospects
But with Kyle Lotzkar being injured, J.C. Sulbaran is really the only legit pitching prospect we have in the entire organization, since Leake hasn’t been signed yet. This concerns me greatly.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, shit!
You just got served, BK!
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast, Dude
I like Travis Wood, and I’ve been pretty bullish on him most of the season, but I’m beginning to lose a little bit of optimism because of his stuff. Starting pitchers that have fastballs that don’t hit 90 don’t tend to pan out well in the big leagues.
Unless Wood is the next Tom Glavine, I’m not ready to count him as a legit prospect. I need to see something first.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well look at home much not sining sowers hurt
oh, right
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kip wells
recalled! yeaaaaaaaaaa
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team
is awe-some!
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're ready to win, now!
Kip Wells will save us
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the hand of bob
the Reds are run by a 14 year old boy.
by bobestes on Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jackson's last date is running the Reds?
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
alright, I'll rec it
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trades have changed my outlook on the Reds Organization
Before I wondered, “Are these guys crazy?”. Now I just wonder “How crazy are they?”.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
toronto sending us the 4mil owed to rolen this year
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank God....
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn ... make that some of the 4mil
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Christ
So… We’re paying his entire salary next year
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
by chesirecat on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE'RE PAYING HIM ALL 11 MILLION??
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This means no more offseason acquisitions.
Awesome!!
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
by chesirecat on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we dump Cordero, Harang, and/or Arroyo..
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forget
Jim Bowden no longer has a job
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
by chesirecat on Jul 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You must have missed it in the other thread, he was fielding offers all day today.
Despite not having a team or budget.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that seems to run counter to the move to contend next year
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure does look that way, doesn't it?
Again, I really think the Pirates have a better idea of what they’re doing organizationally than the Reds do. And that fucking sucks.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This HAS to happen in the offseason now.
Bronson should be as good as gone, but is anyone want to trade for him now that he admitted to PEDs?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It’s net’s out to be 6.25 mil on next year’s budget
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are also not paying EE's 4 mil
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do make really good points you do.
What about the $11 million next year?
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EE next year = 4.75 mil
11 – 4.75 = 6.25 mil
Also we clear Weathers 3.7 mil
Gonzo 5.375 mil
Ramon 8 mil
So I think they will still have room for upgrades.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless they pick up weather's option
which if Walt thinks 2010 is the year, he probably will.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what...
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why God?
Why did my dad have to go to the last game at Crosley field and then become a Reds fan for life?
There are no positives here people. We’re fucked. Game. Set. Match.
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
by chesirecat on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're only fucked till we get a new owner..
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought that when uncle carl owned this team
he was too hands off and cheap, bob is too hands on, and doesn’t understand.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was really fuckign selfish
he got the 70s, he should have sacrificed the seasons he watched the reds, so you could have a winner.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we fire Dusty....can we Fire Walt too?
They just gave up their 2 best minor league relief pitching prospects (who are both major league ready) for a 34 year old 3B who has only hit above 0.265 once in the last 4 seasons, and has only played more than 115 games over those same 4 years!
by ephram on Jul 31, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im tellin ya
its Dusty/Patterson all over again
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was Dusty/Willy then?
(snort!)
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the same
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preaching to the choir, brother.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre in the choir?
fag
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The preferred nomenclature is "foot fairy"
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually go with
light in the loafers
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer "American Idol" viewer.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point of Parlimentary Procedure!
Are you allowed to post batting average numbers here as a basis for argument? Cuz I’m pretty sure that’s almost as bad as mentioning he-who-shall-not-be-named-but-porked-Dustette Jr.?
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
voldemort porked dusty's daughter
does she have special powers too?
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and rolen asked to be traded for "personal reasons"
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only "some" of the 4 million
according to MLBTR…
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are we short on players tonight then?
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes.
Just Rolen. Bench is Tatum, Balentin, Janish, & Taveras. I know, the Rockies are scared fucking shitless.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who takes jerry's spot
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he is having a solid season as well
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a WHIP of .84 in 25 innings
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya never know..
I once went to a game where the Reds rode Eddie Taubensee, Curtis Goodwin, and Prime Time himself to victory!
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key word in that sentence
is “once.”
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so does LLM
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Wily Mo..
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just don't mess with the canadian softball team
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Wily Mo.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling about the same
We upgraded at 3B. I never was an Edwin fan or hater but he never seemed to pan out. He reminds me of a younger and more skilled Bill Hall. Idk know anything about Stewart but we will see what happens.
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by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you shouldn't be dissing your future SS
and I’m guessing they’re around the same age and Hall can pick it.
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't hall hitting like .100?
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by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been bad
he’s tuning up for you guys in AAA
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have upgraded at 3B
On the days when Rolen is actually healthy enough to play.
We have downgraded at pitcher, potentially, for the next four to six years.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take your word for it
Once we traded Dunn last season. I pretty much have not followed the Reds.
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stormy just said on WLW
that the Reds need to get a SS next. LOL. I bet Gonzalez feels the love.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the talks
about the Reds trying to get Hanley Ramirez were legit today?
by Lookouts00 on Jul 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering we made that up, no
No I don’t think they were legit.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what? that was made up here?
i’ve been telling everyone i know! i look like such a fool!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Why would they pick up Nick Johnson if they were selling? That is a good move for them as well. Cantu is back on 3B for them…why did we get rid of Cantu again was it because of Votto?
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by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was because Cantu was arbitration-eligible, a potential PED user who had peaked, and was voted by his peers to be the worst defensive player in MLB.
And he didn’t like the looks of Dusty’s daughter.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, we meant Zach Stewart for Scutaro
Send him down, please.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welp, that's it for me spending money on this team this season.
I feel like this is a shit the bed kind of move, as a lone transaction. Fuck off, mgmt.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there is some trippy weirdness when Rolen plays the Cards
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been spoiling to see Jonny Gomes get in a fight
So now I’m hoping for a bench-clearing brawl when they play the Cards. Rolen’s gonna go straight after LaRussa and put him in a headlock.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he will go pedro/zimmer on him
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dustbag says rolen will hit fifth
fay says toronto was in oakland so rolen will be rollin in tomorrow
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing like making your mind up about shit
before you really think about it.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's had a month to think about it
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see him hit 1 or 2.
Dusty Baker is a huge idiot. I can’t believe he is still employed. He doesn’t believe in OBP, you know.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between this
and reading that they wanted to keep Rolen past 2010 I have pretty much given up on Walt and management. I was hoping this move could mean getting BP out of the clean up spot because we would have a “veteran bat” for the spot. I was okay with this move as long as Rolen was batting 5th with BP leading off or batting 2nd. (I know he has a bad OBP but a .330 OBP looks great compared to what we have had there for the past 3-5 years.)
Also, the loss of EDE and Roenicke doesnt set the team back at all. The only player we will miss out of these guys is Stewart, because he looks like a legit front end starter and he would have been ready for the bigs next year. However, if the Reds were just going to leave him in the bullpen, then I dont care about him either.
by CamIam on Jul 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I'm actually pretty pissed about the Hairston trade too.
That C prospect is going to be a AA-lifer.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hairston was an expiring contract
him leaving means pretty much nothing
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or less than
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but who really gives a shit about Hairston. I never wanted him re-signed. Adios.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't that I liked Hairston.
But what’s the point? If you want to dump him, I’d rather see you straight sell him for cash than pick up a shitty prospect.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you told us what the point isn't
but you couldn’t provide us with what the point is?
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we got cash AND a prospect
well, not a prospect exactly but a warm body
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got cash?
We dumped salary, I didn’t know we got cash.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dumping salary is the same as gettish cash
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have rather gotten an additional 500k than the prospect is what I'm trying to say.
We could have used cash for a productive player in the off-season. This catcher is going to be a piece of shit.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt the yankees would give us an additional $500,000 for hairston
they’d be paying him more than a million dollars for a spot they could fill from the organization for like $150K
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get the gist of what I'm saying though, don't you?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i do
we’re not far off. i dont have a problem with getting a shitty prospect. he has pretty much no chance of helping the major league club, but there’s something to be said for organizational depth at catcher.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The catcher is 20 years old, and one of our scouts must have liked him.
Let’s let him reach age 22 before we abandon him.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/alreadyabandon'd
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They give you cash.
Which is just as good as money.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gilbert Gottfried'd
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston was a nice guy. I thought Dusty over used him.
He was a better Ryan Freel.
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by Zach K on Jul 31, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least he tried his dick off every game
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that must've been frustrating
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and circumcising
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Era????
Umm, I doubt this is the final move for the Reds..I’m hoping they are putting themselves in a position to make a run at Crawford or something similar for the lineup. We still need a POWER right handed bat. I’d love to land Hanely Ramirez because I know the Marlins won’t be abel to afford him before long. We’ll need one more pitcher too if we are going to contend with the Cardinals….Bedard is an injury risk, but maybe he’d hold up enough for a season or two here. Well, here’s to 2010….
by bengals4eva on Jul 31, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to RR.
Kirkendal has some recruiting to do.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jim day is tooling it up on twitter today
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now mlbtr is saying toronto will pay all of his 2009 salary
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they can deal Rolen for 2 top-15 prospects, EdE, and only have to pay 4MM..
Why couldn’t we have moved Arroyo/Harang for 1-2 prospects and pay 4MM?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because walt has a plan
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
now if they would just pick up ’10 as well….
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they took all of EdE salary
for this year and next then the trade was basically salary neutral from the Reds perspective. Im still not okay with losing Stewart I would have been much happier if it was Maloney.
by CamIam on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow night is Victor Martine Bobblehead night in Cleveland!
dempster’d!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
/dumpster'd
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats some shitty planning right there ... perhaps they can send them to boston too
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man ,, chisox have a sick rotation now that they have peavy
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sick is right
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hanley Ramirez...........
I’m hearing more and more that the Reds are looking to do just what I said earlier. Yonder Alonso along with another prospect or two for Hanley Ramirez after the season. If you ask me, I’d do that deal any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Ramirez and Rolen on the left side of the field is a HUGE improvement…hope they get it done.
by bengals4eva on Jul 31, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im sure they will
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way the reds would do that deal
too much to give up
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to sources anyway
they say it’s most likely too much without a doubt
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sources say its true
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit i just checked some sources and it turns out you're right
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm beginning to think my sources are not very good
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what happens to people who don't have good sources at RR?
/pronto’d
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll come back
i have firefox it scrambles my ip address, i’ll have 20 accounts and you won’t know any of them are me! I’ll blend in and still post, and I’ll openly brag about it, because I am brilliant!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hearing from where? around here?
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez for Alonso.........
Votto has 1st base and they have been dangling Alonso for some time now. My guess is that they will lock Votto up by the middle of next year with a big deal, which I agree they should, which makes no room for Alonso and you all know what a bad idea is to hold on top a prospect for too long. Ramirez wanted out of Florida to begin the season and wanted to stpe in to Barry Larkin (his idol) old spot. It not only makes sense, but it makes the only logical spot for HanRam to come to. The Reds were also talking about him in the Spring due to the fact that he wants to wear his hair a certain way that is not within the Marlins standards. The Reds wouldn’t give a crap if he had the biggest afro as long as he played for the team. So, keep your ears to the ground…should be an interesting off season.
by bengals4eva on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+9000 Points
For the headline of this post. The greatest thing I’ve seen so far today, and I just watched Midnight Run on cable.
Just sayin.
by Obi Juan Kenobez on Jul 31, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm glad he didn't go with the rollin' rollin' rollin' limp bizkit song
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just stole his headline for one of next week's game wraps
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or "Everybody, Everybody Get you Rolen"
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or the "Proud Mary" line "rollin' on the river"
because the river is visible form the park! lol
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or the Rawhide Theme Song
Keep them doggies Rolen.
by Obi Juan Kenobez on Jul 31, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Master Genius Walt
My conspiracy theory of events to come is playing out!
1. Walt trades for Scott Rolen
2. Dusty continues to makes horrible line-ups and gets roughed up with our tough second half schedule
3. Walt fires Dusty at season’s end
4. Hires LaRussa for 2010
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Except I don’t think LaRussa would ever leave Prince Albert.
Therefore:
5. Trades Pujols straight up for Darnell McDonald
by Obi Juan Kenobez on Jul 31, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only...
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider Rolen and LaRussa had a huge falling out
that doesn’t quite work. He needs “Loggins!”
by Red Menace on Aug 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from Jim Day:
“We have bad news to report on the Volquez front, tune in to Reds Live in 10 minutes for video and reaction.”
shittles.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ill go with tommy john
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Im going to New York...
where we have a chance to win"
-Jerry Hairston Jr., when asked about his trade
That says it all.
by ritalin on Jul 31, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heyman on MLB network
says Castellini has a relationship with Rolen as well as Jocko.
by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Could be worse….Could be Cleveland fans… Tomorrow night is Victor Martinez bobblehead night..LOL
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
marcus mcbeth
called up by the Red Sox for tonight….only 2 be replaced by V Mart tomorrow..
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
Am I the only one who like this deal? Everyone is talking about Stewart like he’s the next Homer Baily. No one knows what he is going to do. I’d bet on Rolen’s shoulder before Stewarts career.
by JPGs on Jul 31, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, I really like the trade. The usually even handed Mr. Gray at redsminorleagues.com
thinks that Stewart is a future Cy Young. Not sure about that.
by mdccclxix on Jul 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say he's a future Cy Young
But he was the best pitching prospect in this system. That’s not the type of player you throw in to a deal in which you’re already giving up too much to acquire a player you don’t need.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BK
I read your famers only report every day… so you probably know a lot more than I do. But I still want to win in ‘10 and I think Rolen gives us a better chance than Stewart and the other two do. Didn’t Stewart start really low this year? I doubt he could ’08 Volquez us next year, possibly ’08 Cueto.
Anything can happen with pitching prospects, Rolen is more of a better bet.
by JPGs on Jul 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my two cents
im not thrilled with the trade (roenicke and EE are minor pieces, imho, but stewart was a bad loss) i do think this is kinda like the Reds picking up Gary Vaughn back in the late 90’s.
i dont know if Rolen is a Leader with a capital L but I do think it takes some pressure off Joey V as the “leader of the pack”. He wont be the guy statistically but i do think he brings a measurable veteran presence (sorry, gang) that is sorely lacking currently. Rolen, Bruce, Votto, Phillips, Dick/Gomes is a decent start.
Big hole at SS/CF still.
"I piss excellence"
by obc2 on Jul 31, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Vaughn?
Are you talking about Greg Vaughn in ‘99? This is nothing like that. Nothing at all. The Reds weren’t 10 games under .500 and in 5th place when they picked him up. This has got to be a move for next season, and considering we’re paying his entire salary (amongst other things listed previously all over the site), it is a questionable one.
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by Ash on Jul 31, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure its questionable
and it sure as hell isnt about this year. 5th place clubs dont leapfrog 4 teams this late in the year with their #1 SP on the shelf and Jay Bruce on the DL.
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by obc2 on Jul 31, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Volquez has TJS it isn't about next year either
2011 things may turn around.
CATCH THE FEVER!
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by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this move does help the Reds out in 2010
As long as Rolen doesn’t break down. Replacing Roenicke should be possible in the bullpen too. What concerns me is the salary they’re putting on the books for next year without taking any off, and what happens beyond 2010. Cordero and Rolen are likely gone then, and you don’t have Roenicke to plug into the closer role. Stewart would likely be ready by then too, so that’s another spot you need to replace.
Stewart rocketed through the system this year, starting in High-A Sarasota. He was in the rotation and earned callups to AA and AAA, where he was moved into the bullpen to keep his innings down and has continued to dominate. I doubt he would have been able to come up and dominate right away, but he was the best arm in the system. After him, you have Travis Wood, who is putting up numbers but doesn’t have stuff, Kyle Lotzkar, who still hasn’t pitched this season due to injury, and J.C. Sulbaran behind him. After those guys, that’s it, until Leake or Boxberger signs. That’s my problem with the deal. You’re using the biggest weakness in the farm system right now to acquire someone who doesn’t fill a major need.
Now, if part of this plan is tanking to get Strasburg in the draft, then I rescind my criticism and will start buying playoff tickets.
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by BK on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Really. Wow. You guys need to step back from the ledge a bit.
First, if the Jays are paying all of Rolen’s salary this year, that means it’s really only costing about $1M because EdE is still owed about $750K this year. For that $1m, the Reds are getting a major upgrade both offensively and defensively at 3B. Second, while Rolen hasn’t been healthy the past couple of seasons, he has been healthy this year (he’s been in 88 of Toronto’s 102 games).Third , Zach Stewart wouldn’t be considered so highly in any other system; it’s more a testament of the Reds’ minor league pitchers that he’s the best than it is a positive reflection on him.
It isn’t a trade that will make the Reds world series winners; it will make them better this year (which may not mean much to you, but if it means better attendence, that could mean more money to spend) and next, and with a healthy Bruce the Reds become a good SS and decent manager away from being very good next year. I, for one, would be pretty excited about:
Stubbs CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Hanigan C
new SS
as an opening day lineup.
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by sidnancy on Jul 31, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting that you think that Stubbs is going to be able to keep his obp at the MLB level
I like the Rolen trade
Glad to see EdE get a fresh start elsewhere
Sad to see Cherry go
Would love a new SS – maybe Todd Frazier will make the jump (if he can play MLB SS)
I’d rather keep Nix until a bonified MLB level CF is either developed or traded for
New SS
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Gomes LF
Nix CF
Hanigan C
P.
Propspects are suspect. We’ll see what happens new that we have a top MLB 3B in Rolen.
Can we dump Gonzo (and Rosy and Jannish and Sutton etc) and get a decent SS.
I’m not about to give up on BP, Joey, Bruce, Rolen,Bronson, Bailey, RHodes, DRH, even Coco..
Course we could consider moving Micah to LF during the off season and see if he could get his stroke down, he’d be a hell of a hitter.
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by Madville on Jul 31, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mads, I'm with you on Frazier, but I think he'd be better suited at 2B with BP moving over to SS
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played 3 games in the minors at 2B
I wouldn’t start penciling him in there just yet.
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by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't ... I was just saying that it is a possibility.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Frazier hasn't played minor league shortstop once this year
I don’t think we’ll ever find out if he can play Major League shortstop.
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by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll probably be promoted to play shortstop sometime next week
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or dusty will here that he played shortstop in middle school
and move him there, rather than Phillips.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comments about Zach Stewart are way off the mark.
Dude dominated every level and flew through the minors. The fact is, the Blue Jays got a steal, and the Reds should have never thrown him in. Ridiculous. Pathetic trade. Reds got fleeced as usual. Be prepared to see alot of Adam Rosales as Rolen plays about 80 games a year.
by Dude Rock on Aug 1, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ony real comp I can see
is the Pirates trading Brian Giles to San Diego back in 2003. Pirates received Jason Bay and Oliver Perez (which will almost certainly be more WAR than EE/Roenicke/Stewart project to). The ’03 Padres lost 98 games. The ’04 Padres came in 3rd in the division, but with 87 wins, and then they won the West in ’05 (albeit with 82 wins).
Giles was a huge improvement over Nady, but they also got a big boost from a rookie SS (Khalil Greene) and an insane season from Mark Loretta. That and a vastly improved bullpen was really the difference between those teams.
So I think it’s a reasonable parallel. It hinges, of course, on finding an SS like a young Khalil Greene and having a couple players play off their rockers. In other words: it relies on things you can’t rely on.
I’m very close to giving up on the Reds. But I’ll at least give it another 6 months or so. Or news about Volquez
by Cy Schourek on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why did they have to trade Zach Stewart…
That right there makes the Reds complete idiots…
Stewart would have been a great closer or even a solid #3 in the rotation for many years to come.
by J-Rodzilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This trade solidifies that Jocketty is an idiot and Castellini is a bigger idiot.
It’s easy to say I give up on the Reds. I will always be a fan, but they’ve lost my interest for the season and my faith that they can ever contend again under this ownership. They continue to prove they have no clue in terms of personnel and what to pay. Trading for an over the hill third baseman and giving up Zach Stewart, who flew through the minors this year, is pretty much unforgiveable. Plus…….it’s one lousy move that will have ZERO impact on this team. Am I finished? Hardly. But I’ve lost interest. Bring on the Bengals and Bearcats.
by Dude Rock on Aug 1, 2009 3:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
trade...stop being a hater
You got a great trade to get Rolen!!!
by Steven DRW Forever on Aug 1, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you can't defend a Reds move
it must be really bad…
by Red Menace on Aug 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't argue with that logic
you just changed my mind
by greg456 on Aug 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so I calmed down a bit...
but I still can’t get over how this reeks of a certain former GM. We:
(1) Overpaid for an organizational weakness (catcher) because, presumably, Walt thought we needed another catcher at any cost. He somehow managed not to notice that this move made us weaker at two positions—but most importantly, at shortstop. Sigh. More importantly, though, he
(2) Overpaid for a player he liked from his former team, in a way that improves the team slightly in the short term but costs a ton, gets rid of a young player who could still improve for “veteran presence,” and of course does nothing to address the more important holes. And did I mention that he overpaid?
So like that other GM, it seems like he went out with two main goals: find another catcher at any cost, and sign a player he likes for his veteranness at any cost. I guess he accomplished those, but neither really seems to fit into a broader plan.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that
I can’t believe he didn’t manage to deal Weathers. Could he really have not been worth a backup catcher? I’d have been up for paying some of his salary, even.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that the Reds may not have any money to spend unless they deal Arroyo or Harang
from a position that no longer looks like a strength or appears to have much depth since Volquez’s setback.
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by Slyde on Aug 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, too.
Sigh.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so how about this
the Reds trade Harang, Arroyo, Phillips, Coco, and Rhodes, and aim for 2013.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually be ok with this
The most frustrating part of these losing years for me is that we’ve never actually committed to it.
by Red Menace on Aug 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean if they got the right prospects in return
might as well totally reload, but they don’t commit to rebuilding or playing for now. They just keep spinning their wheels. Imagine if they would have continued to rebuild in 2005 rather than trading for Ortiz, singing Milton, Weathers, Weber, Mercker, etc.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I don’t feel like we’ve ever been truly rebuilding. As soon as they start fears of attendance woes lead to the signing of a crappy overpriced veteran.
by Red Menace on Aug 2, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Pirate way
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 2, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a point i haven't heard raised yet
I don’t follow as closely as I used to, but here’s what I don’t get:
Seeing as how this is a move for 2010, why did the Reds need to pay “full value” (read: overpay) in July rather than lowball (EdE + ? for Rolen) and hope the Jays accept, with the backup plan of acquiring Rolen in December if something better doesn’t fall in their laps in free agency?
What’s the worst that could happen? Well, someone else could pay “full value” to get Rolen. I don’t think that was likely.
Notice that the Reds (well, maybe the Mariners, too) are the only non-contenders to “buy” at the trade deadline? In general, buying at the deadline only makes sense for winners. The Reds are not winners.
by greg456 on Aug 1, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it also sounded like the Reds were the only team pursuing Rolen
yet somehow outbid themselves.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Aug 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, reminds me of a former GM...
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you believe walt if he said,
“you fans simply have no idea what it takes to run a ballclub so trust me that we’re making the right calls around here,”?
i wouldn’t and that’s the frustrating thing because i’m not a professional on these things. i still know that a small market club should never give up 2 of their best pitching prospects to a team trying to dump salary. if we were 2 games up from the cardinals or even a game or so back, maybe. but when the season is lost you just don’t do this stuff. even i know that.
by GrooveLeg on Aug 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say that Roenicke is one of our top pitching prospects
but it still blows my mind that he gave up years of cheap pitching from Stewart for this. Thinking about it now, I would have rather seen him give up Alonso than Stewart. And by no means should either have been given away in addition to a young third baseman and a young reliever…
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly what i said about alonso.
but i was afraid to say that around here.
i agree about roenicke but he was pretty high up and he’s got great stuff.
by GrooveLeg on Aug 1, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And moreover
he had asked to be traded.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Aug 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you hear walt trying to explain himself?
borderline pathetic.
and then dusty’s comments of “change of scenery might be good for edwin…etc.” while just a few weeks ago they were looking for edwin to spark the offense when he came off the DL.
contrast these types of comments against the ones from a month ago and it becomes apparent that these old men have no plan and no clue what to do. such a head scratcher.
by GrooveLeg on Aug 1, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at how the Reds have done since EdE came back.
There has been no sparking of the offense. He’s hit well, but that doesn’t a spark make.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Aug 1, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah fuck you EdE
you didn’t make the other hitters hit around you.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Aug 1, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. I thought that's what "Spark the offense" meant.
My bad.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Aug 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain that
What would be a specific example of something EdE could do to “spark the offense” other than hitting well himself. Cheer louder? Offer free batting tips? Get everyone a free whore?
by greg456 on Aug 1, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what Brook Jacoby gets paid to do, right?
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by Ash on Aug 1, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has yet to realize this.
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-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Aug 1, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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