Friday Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
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In the absense of the Reposter the past few days, these threads have been pretty lively. The Reds havent been so lively, with only one minor move so far, but there have been some pretty big rumors swirling around them. It looks like they may still be in the hunt for Scott Rolen, and they could potentially trade a pitcher or two. My source tells me the Reds are still trying to make a big play for Hanley Ramirez, but the new word is that the Reds are hestitant to take on his salary with no clear position to play him. Alex Gonzalez is deeply entrenched at short, you know.
I personally will be pretty frustrated if they fail to trade David Weathers for the 3rd straight year. Arthur Rhodes seems like a name to watch, and possibly even Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo, and Francisco Cordero. Of course, the non-waiver deadline probably wont be much of an obstacle for the Reds, as most of these guys (Rolen, Harang, Arroyo, Cordero) will likely pass waivers if they want to make a move in August. So today will probably be a bit disappointing for those of you looking for sparks to fly.
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I'm intrigued by the LAA rumor in fanshots.
I hope that catches us by surprise and happens.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What if..
..they got Rolen and Hanley?
I have to admit that would get my attention, regardless of how unwise it might be.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my sources say that it won't happen
but my other sources claim that it’s a possibility.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Around the infield..
Votto, Phillips, Ramirez and Rolen..
Well, would you look at that! We got ourselves a ball club!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Analysis of the Wladamir Balentin trade:
Yay Bleacherreport
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting
Paul Janish’s fastball is faster than Robert Manuel’s. How can Manuel have such success with an 86 mph fastball?
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by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
movement and location
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christina Karl from BP thought it was a great trade
Not that Balentin is going to become a star, but taking him away from canyon and placing him in a gazebo, she felt, will turn a lot more of hits in to outs. I get the feeling that he’s a guy who cannot take a slider low and away, but then again, when I was 15 I stopped playing because I couldn’t stop falling down every time I saw a curveball aimed at my head so who I am to throw stones
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see we have a capable outfielder as a transitive result of the Paul O'Neill trade.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dresses in women's clothes?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Scrabbles on this one, Weathers and / or Rhodes have got to go.
There’s just no sense in keeping them for this year.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rhodes would be useful next year maybe.
But as Slyde pwn’d me yesterday, relievers shouldn’t be judged on yearly performances due to low IP. IDK what the hell else to judge them on though :)
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Weathers is the one I really think needs to be dealt.
Nothing against the guy, it just makes sense. Get something and move on.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Weathers is more likely to go in August than now
Same with Arroyo. I see Harang and Cordero as having no shot at getting traded.
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by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Rhodes at 2 Million
is a bargain IMO. The guy has been rather dominant this year.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"rather dominant"
Kinda like “somewhat conclusive.” :)
But that is a good way to describe a good bullpen pitcher on a losing team.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably hands down!
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most likely without a doubt!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no question.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is
do we expect him to be dominant next year. The money is cheap, but all that means is that the Reds could absorb an implosion by him at very little cost. However, right now they may have the opportunity to get better by taking advantage of a team in need and turning Rhodes into a player that could potentially be more valuable to them. It’s not a disaster if Rhodes isn’t traded, especially because we don’t know what is being offered, but the worst thing to do is be overly enamored with the recent performance of a 39-year old reliever who has 70 total innings pitched in the last 3 seasons to the point that you make him untouchable.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the "worst thing" would be to give him a contract extension.
(I should not have even typed that.)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he should be untouchable, either, don't get me wrong.
But if I had to pick between him and Weathers, I’d rather see Weathers go. It feels like Weathers has been getting lucky for 3 years..
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but will he be this dominant next year
or is he pulling a Rheal Cormier? He is old, and the bottom could fall out, especially with the heavy work load he has endured this year. I want him gone.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to project a relief pitcher
look at Ks, BBs, HRs, and BABIP. That will usually give a good idea of whether or not he’s been lucky or good. The problem with the small sample of innings is that it is hard to differentiate between luck and truly good performance.
Another rule of thumb, always use “might” instead of “will” with a reliever. It covers your ass. :)
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So thinks like FB, GB, defense-independent ERA are also useful?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
defense independent ERA is made up of SO, BB, and HR typically (depending on the formula), so they’re kinda the same thing. The key is to focus first on the things the pitcher can control and monitor how those are doing. If they are dramatically out of line with historical norms, then there might be reason for concern one way or the other.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
Where can I enroll in Stathead 101 – prof Slyde?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since there is no Reposter
Poz takes on Dusty’s lead-off lineup.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This made me so mad to read.
How is someone so dumb a professional manager?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Joe Posnanski
The thing that irritates me is that no one in the local media will take Dusty to task for this shit. I know guys like Fay and Hal have to stay relatively unbiased in their reporting, but they are allowed to write columns, expressing their opinion. Are they afraid they’d be shut out if they’re too critical of Dusty?
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by cesarhernandez on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,
who does that leave to question him. Doc? Yeah, right.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doc's too busy blaming the fans
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And wanting to trade every Reds prospect he can think of
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by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could use a little more of that
As the Balentin trade makes clear, prospects are not science. Balentin was a fabulous power prospect at one point. the fact that he can’t stop striking out every 3rd AB led to his release.
The Reds should be aggressive about trading prospects they have doubts about for guys that can help. Otherwise, next year the outfield will three guys who were all heavily lauded and there’s a distinct chance all they will be able to do is play defense and K (an OF of Stubbs/Balentin/Bruce).
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, you're not in favor of prospects?
when did this happen?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I told you that i love you?
Seriously, you want to compete with in 2010? You are in awe of the Astros or at least cannot, like me, figure out how a team so top-heavy can sort of win?
Cross the threshold, Slyde, and join in me in the “not all prospects will be major leaguers” side! Together, we can construct a winner. You know, like Marge did when she had winning teams and no scouts and terrible drafts. Done properly, we could even maintain a decent farm system……let’s call it the Walt Jocketty/Cardinals philosophy and together we can experience greatness or at least the playoffs led by a pitching staff of Adam Wainwright and three castoffs with no upside. I’ll hold one corner of the Series banner and you can hold the other, while John Sickels grinds his teeth
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
join in me in the "not all prospects will be major leaguers" side
I don’t get the impression that that is where you are. You seem to be down on prospects pretty much across the board.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
I would put Drew Stubbs in CF tomorrow just for the defense and OBP skillz. I would sign Jay and Joey to deals locking in their arbitration years. Middle market teams like the Reds have to be built around a young core, which is then supplemented with organizational products and free agents. Surplus at one position allows the GM to flip players to fill weaknesses. In my opinion, second the salary and field operations, the farm system and scouting of any franchise must be Braves/Twins caliber. Identify value, keep it. Trade hype for proven veterans.
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and one last thing. I have watched the minor league system and scouting department produce
Bruce, Cueto, Volquez, Hamilton, EdE, Votto, Phillips, Bray, Burton (and probably another couple that I am missing) in just the last three years and I think that is extraordinary. It’s also a lot to ask, so with the memory of D’Angelo Jimenez and his guaranteed great MLB career fresh in my mind, I say “let’s make some deals.”
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish our farm system produced all those guys,
but they didn’t. Our minor league teams have nothing to do with Volquez, Hamilton, and Phillips. Everyone but Bruce, Votto, and Cueto had significant time in another team’s system and was drafted/signed elsewhere.
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by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that would be why I threw in the note about the scouting department
because without scouts you don’t take Hamilton in the Rule 5 draft, you don’t deal a nobody for BP, and you don’t realize that Texas has soured enough on an ace that you can get him for an oft-injured guy with a lot of tools.
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's infuriating....
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by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this comment from Brent on that post
The 1961 Yankees are a famously good team. They won 109 games, Mantle and Maris took a run at Babe’s HR record. Their 3rd string catcher hit 21 HRs. They hit 240 HRS that year.
And yet, with all that greatness, their regular leadoff hitter was Bobby Richardson, .261/.295/.316. Their regular 2nd place hitter was Tony Kubek, .276/.306/.395.
Sure it would have been weird to have their starting catcher of the day hit 1st or 2nd (Howard had a .387 OBP, Blanchard a .382 OBP), but just think how many more runs they could have scored had Mickey and Roger actually came up with runners on base in front of them.
So yeah, shit like this happens and then it gets entrenched as “the way you play baseball.” And someone mentions later on that the Yanks’ leadoff hitter that year scored 80 runs. With Mantle and Maris hitting behind him. Outliers are infuriating sometimes.
by Cy Schourek on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another link for the semi-Reposter
Despite not talking to Cincinnati papers about PEDs, Bronson Arroyo has no problem talking to the Boston Herald about them. Oh yeah, and he casually mentions that he did andro and amphetamines until they were banned.
The only reason Arroyo stopped using andro was because he heard through the grapevine that, because of lax production standards, some andro was laced with known steroids, such as Winstrol.
Fuckin’ fuck, dude!
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by BK on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Bronson's on roids?
And he’s that fuckin skinny????
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the roid make his hair grow out the way it is?
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by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains the tiger eyes
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the teeny-tiny balls
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Boston will take him back
I’m really sick of Bronson, he seems like a total douche.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems like is a total douche. Fixed.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never met him, so I wasn't sure
Thanks for the update!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big deal
Andro wasn’t even illegal at the federal level at that time, and it fucking worked. I took it in college and gained about 10lbs of muscle, pretty impressive.
My take on it is, if it is not illegal by the MLB and the federal government(controled substance) and it makes you better, then if you aren’t taking it then you are not trying.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you understand the risks better than your peers.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Risk is relative
Do you drive faster than 55 mph on the interstate? Of course you do, but that doesn’t mean you don’t understand the fucking risk.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
risk = threat * magnitude * probability
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or is it threat = risk * magnitude * probability...
I guess I’ve been away from school for too long
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in the classical sense risk is just magnitude times probability.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's something that distinguishes risk from threat though, I think you're right
Just don’t remember it anymore
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Risk decision based, threat is an event that occurs
I agree with andro
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand risk pretty well
and I also said that poorly. I was contesting your claim that failure to take these drugs was a demonstration of a lack of passion for the game.
That’s one explanation, but I think more of it had to do with not valuing the possible gains enough to make them worth the risks. This could have come from understanding the risks better (your example of driving is a good one, since very few people think of it as being as risky as it actually is), or it could come from having different preferences in general.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he didn't take it
he had the risk of never seeing the big leagues. I don’t look down on players for using roids, because I see it as more of a cultural issue, than an individual issue, especially for marginal players. Did Bonds need steroids? No. But I can understand the middle relief pitcher who is use to the shuttle between AAA and the big leagues, wanting to be able to recover a little faster, it might have been the difference between a major league minimum contract, and a AAA contract.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not siding with those who reek of
moral condescension on this, only saying that there were multiple strategies to take. I’m sure the vast majority of players took the drugs, but nobody had to do anything.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole "100 player survey" bullshit
Nomar said yesterday that ALOT of CLEAN players told the MLB, “I’m not going to take test, but mark me down as positive.” Because if greater than 5% tested positive, then they would get a testing problem so that noone would question the integrity of the game.
Think about that. Plus this “leaking” by anonymous source is illegal and absolute crap. For all we know the anonymous source is Slyde or a ambitious reporter trying to make a name for himself.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's sexist.
/herself’d
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure...
nomar wasn’t taking steroids…right…
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong he was taking
Sdiorets!!!
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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, now you're arguing that most players were clean?
I’m not following.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm arguing that we don't know and nothing you say can change my mind
I’m a scientist so here is my comparable analogy of how retarded this conversation is:
Reporter: How many hurricanes did the Atlantic ocean have 1491 AD?
Scientist: We did not have the tools to count hurricanes in 1491 AD, therefore we cannot tell you how many hurricanes there were.
Anonymous Source: There were 17 hurricanes in 1491 AD. Including the greatest hurricane of all time a Catagory 6.
Newspaper headline: Greatest hurricane ever in 1491 AD………………anonymous source confirmed.
Scientist: Fuck you Reporter.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hurricanes only go up to category 5
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's how B.A. that hurricane was!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The anonymous leak is my hero.
He/She is a guardian watching over us from above. When he/she visits with a gift, it’s better than Christmas.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tough spot is when you understand the risks and do the drugs,
and then someone who may not know all the risk – and who isn’t risking their health with the drugs – suddenly needs to do those drugs in order to compete, and that trickles down through the pro levels, the college levels, and even to high school.
Anybody in here want their son to use dangerous supplements to “keep up” with Bronson?
Anybody? Crolfer?
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree. Why taking something that is allowed is suddenly beyond the pale is weird to me
but then I’m not a sports writer
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm impressed
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's such an awesome name for a steroid.
Winstrol.
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by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what are the chances that Ol' Walt actually does something today?
Anyone else have the feeling that we have so little that others find valuable that we are don’t get a single trade in today?
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're sellers!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said "seller" not "cellar"
no more pics of you in your basement, ok slyde?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he awake
or is he napping with John McCain?
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MrPoynter: “Walt Jocketty is manning the phone today big-time. I haven’t seen him all morning.” Dusty Baker about Reds GM trying to make a trade.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong
Wasn’t the Griffey deal a last minute thing? Don’t most big deals happen at teh last minute?
If Walt doesn’t make a deal today then they weren’t offering what he wanted. I thought the Dunn. Griffey, and Freel deals were really brillent. He turned 3 guys that were not going to help us in 2009 and turned then into useful pieces of the 2009 team….which still sucks, but thats not Ramon’s/Masset’s/Owings fault.
I really like Owings and Buck, and barring injuries I think they are going to be a big part fo the future of this team.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Griffey came up kind of randomly and out of the blue
Dunn was after the deadline though.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Buck can regain that fastball. If so, that trade was such a winner
and I applaud the correct use of Masset. The White Sox had no idea how to use a guy with a mid-90’s fastball and no movement (hint: it’s not in the rotation) and outside of one fastball to Manny, I think Dusty and the Reds have gotten more value from him than anyone expected.
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
Masset was a huge surprise to me. I remember reading about him being included and thinking that he was just a throw away piece. He has definitely been a huge surprise for me.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember when RR wanted him to DFA'd
what a clique.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's coming back to Earth
and demonstrating the wonders that a small relief sample size can do for one’s stats.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we'll lock him up in the offseason for too much $
and he’ll suck in oh-ten
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades seem kinda slow today across the board
It seems like this time last year, things were hoping.
I was at work being trained and paying absolutely no attention because I kept refreshing MLBTR.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR reporting Washburn to the Tigers
Via some Seattle radio guy
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by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually they are reporting Washburn to Tigers from Tigers
I wonder how long it takes to fix that typo
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's already fixed
I saw that too
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From FoxSports
The Tigers have agreed to acquire left-hander Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners in exchange for Luke French and another prospect, a major-league source has told FOXSports.com.
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by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which, I still think it's a crock of shit that he wasn't the ROY last year.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, can't agree with you there.
Soto had the same offensive year at a MUCH more valuable position.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does that matter?
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche. Viva la Votto.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention it looks much more like Votto is the real thing
Assuming he doesn’t fall apart next year, he is a legitimate superstar.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I feel that makes a difference.
Being the “real thing”, and a “legitimate superstar” is reward in and of itself, and he’ll (hopefully) be rewarded for that in the future. Rookie of the Year is just about who had the best rookie seasons. Lots of ROYs go on to be scrubs.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Todd Hollandsworthless was a ROY
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was karmic payback for '88 when Sabo won it and Mark Grace finished second
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabo had an INSANE amount of XBH that year.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And played gold glove defense at a MUCH more valuable position. :P
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fewer HR, lower avg/obp/ops, fewer games, fewer PA, worse hitting peripherals suggesting more luck...
Soto was in a better line up with more protection..
etc. etc. etc!
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yes, very similar offensive seasons. I'd argue Joey's was slightly better.
And slightly more impressive.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HR, obp and ops are close enough that they are pretty much identical
(23/24, .364/.368, .868/.874). I wouldn’t even call those different. Fewer games and PA are all a result of Soto being a catcher and thereby adding far more defensive type value.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really just joking.
I was digging for any stat to indicate Votto was better enough offensively to merit it… and I think he was much better offensively, despite the stats that the media actually votes on, but he plays 1B.
On the other hand, the lineup thing rings very true to me, as Soto has struggled this year while Votto has flourished.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, it's cool. I firmly like Joey Votto more than Geovany Soto.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I heard he said that you guys were jerks.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the tank for Votto
so naturally I’d say he deserved the ROY more, bnut I think an objective case can be made. This year, clealry, he has gotten even better, but hindsight is 20/20.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about it more
it’s obvious, even when they voted, that Votto would be a central piece for the following year (and even was last year), while the Cubs were loaded with other offensive players. I don’t know if that sort of thing enters into their voting, but I think it should have. In short, I think Votto is far more important to this organizatiuon than Soto is to his. I don’t follow the Cubs that closely, but I think that is fair given how much we already depend on JV.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think ROY really takes things like that into account
it’s really just “who had the best first season?” and the answer is Soto.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a coincidence and irrelevant.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jul 31, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Halladay moves, then we will get Rolen
If not I doubt it
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That seems to be the consensus from JP
I don’t think Halladay moves though. JP seems to be asking for a everything he can think of for the guy.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should just get both
then there’s no reason for a Reds Hoit Stove league. The 2010 Reds will be complete on August 1, 2009. It’s a grand scheme
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the Red Sox
If they can makes trades to get guys like Adrian and Bay and Beckett, and Halladay every fucking year, then I hate them.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and still produce things like Ellsbury, Buccholz, Pedroia, Youklis, etc
They are a very well run team and they spend a ton of money outside of salary to keep it that way.
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.. Big IF on the Gonzales and Halladay moves
If they get both Adrian Gonzales and Roy Halladay though, and don’t have to give up any of their MLB roster, that’d be pretty impressive….
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate them just because they have enough for competitive offers
I am leaving work, you guys take it easy
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Red Sox piss me off because they're a team that spends a ton and does all the scouting
legwork every team should. They’re having the best of both worlds. The Yankees, too, really. Teams like the Reds on down can only scout and hope their efforts combine all at once to an affordable championship. Bullshit. That’s what it means to “buy a championship”, it’s not that the Sox and Yanks don’t scout and sign great players, they just buy what they need when their prospects fail.
The Reds? If Jay Bruce fails, what the fuck do they do? Fire, gut, and restart again?
by mdccclxix on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you guys ever talk about how much jarrod washburn looks like roy halladay? i think its pretty close
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all the time
In fact, my other blog is http://damnjarrodwashburnlooksjustlikeroyhalladay.blogspot.com
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OH NOEZZZZ!!!!
It’s down!!!
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it got hacked by some hater who's jealous of how awesome a blog it is.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had to take it down to update the picture fo washburn
now that they are both Blue Jays, they REALLY look a lot alike.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Washburn went to the BJs.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
my excitement overwhelmed me
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tiger eyes!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon Tweet
All remains quiet with #reds on trade front. Jocketty still working the phones but good chance it stays quiet through 4pm ET. #mlbtrade
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is maybe the funniest thing I've ever read
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that earlier today
It’s pretty hilarious
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Focus on pitching
yes and wrong. The Reds put together a good staff but forgot about offense. You need a little bit of that too :) I think pitching is paramount, but a lack of run production can sabotage the best of a pitcher. I don’t think many athletes can keep up their performance when they don’t get support. Look at Harang. Let’s go after Rolen and try to bring a balance to this currently woeful team.
by cincyblue on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Rolen brings:
(1) veteran presence, and
(2) balance.
Interesting.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What balance? The number of players on the DL versus the number of players healthy?
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I didn’t think about that. But, even if we had the players off DL, would it make a difference? I haven’t done the stats so I don’t know. My gut tells me no. But I could be mistaken. Rolen is hitting 320. And let’s look at this season. There’s still an outside chance we can make a run. I’m tired of “building for the future”.
by cincyblue on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way this team can make a run.
Absolutely no way. Not only that, but while it’s probably true that Rolen would be an upgrade over Edwin, there are still gaping black holes in the lineup at SS and CF. Trading for Scott Rolen doesn’t help that at all. 3B isn’t a position of weakness for this team, so why focus on it?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should ask Mo Egger
He seems to think that Edwin is a waste of space.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That line he had the other day is still bothering the hell out of me
The “if a pitcher fails the eyeball test and has a crappy W-L record, he’s a bad pitcher” garbage. What about when Travis Wood went 0-3 through April with a 0.83 ERA? I need to stop getting worked up over this, but did Lance take over his blog for a day?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and after listening to him explain to me why wins, losses, and salary are he needs to know about a pitcher's value
he owes the radio I punched. What a jackass.
“Aaron Harang needs to be traded because he’s 5-12 and makes too munch money!” Outside of the wrong analytical tools, his conclusion is okay, but, if he thinks Harang sucks for the money, why the f*ck would anyone trade anything for him?! A point that remained unaddressed in the “run Aaron out of town” segment.
I turned the channel to Michael Savage, because, strangely, his delusions made more sens than Mo’s
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Bengals...
I see your point — just hopeful. Then let’s move on to football. And when the Bengals let us down we move to basketball. Holy mackerel, we’ve got a new cycle for the seasons. No sarcasm, meant. It just seems to be the way this town goes with sports. Maybe I should root for the Steelers (forget I said that, I’ve got to go throw up).
by cincyblue on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Reds need to fire
Dick Pole and Brook Jacoby. Players are taking a step back not improving.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the party
I think just about everyone here is on that band wagon with you
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's just scapegoating myself
I personally cannot see a world where Joey Votto can’t hit, Coco Cordero can’t throw a fastball, or Alex Gonzalez and Willy Taveras CAN hit and Danny Ray CAN throw a fastball. Garbage in, garbage out. Talent in, talent out.
Short of Dave Duncan, I don’t see how coaching helps 30 year olds. Either they can or they can’t.
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it almost always helps to have someone who knows what he's talking about
providing another perspective on what you’re doing. It’s not likely to turn mediocre hitters into superstars, but it can help get guys out of slumps or help them identify ways they could improve.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man... the Pirates are nuts
According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Pirates are “probably, but not necessarily,” done dealing. The writers suggest the Bucs will listen on pitchers Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, and Matt Capps, but are not shopping them.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
Duke and Maholm are young and good..
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume
That they probably won’t trade them, but that they just really are open to starting completely fresh.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting fresh...
with what?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outsourcing their pitching.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 31, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you figure by the time the Pirates are ready to compete
Duke, Maholm, and Capps will be too expensive. I can see that, if they get big time prospects for those guys.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers & Angels Seek Relievers
Did we talk about this?
Posted: 2009-07-31 16:31:29 UTC
THURSDAY, 5:13pm: Even after adding George Sherrill, the Dodgers are looking to add relievers, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. They’re interested in adding a right-handed setup man. Teams in conversation with the Dodgers say they have interest in Mark Lowe, David Weathers, Matt Capps, Arthur Rhodes and Jason Frasor.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rhodes and weathers for kemp.
i’d be alright with that. do it, walt.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just alright?
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was mentioned, I believe
and this follow up from a few minutes ago:
FRIDAY, 11:30am: A deal between the Dodgers and Jays for Frasor is unlikely, according to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
So there’s one of their other options down.
by ThePensive on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So 3 hours 10 minutes remaining
Let’s go Jocketty, trade something. We need some more stuff to talk about here.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thoguht it was 4ET?
In which case, 3 hours.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm illeterate when I don't eat.
And I haven’t eaten since Wednesday.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half smokes and chili cheese fries!
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I might be a little later, but I’ll give you a call.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how 15 minutes can be the difference between not close and very close to a deal
11:56am: Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle says Cabrera to the Twins is “very close.” Slusser says Valencia is not part of the deal.
11:41am: La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune doesn’t see the Twins as close to a deal for Cabrera. The A’s apparently want third base prospect Danny Valencia. Neal wonders whether the Twins might go after David Eckstein or Kennedy instead
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It got a LOT closer.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
conflicting sources!
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by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rays are looking for arms
12:24pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark: "The Rays continued to talk with Cleveland about Martinez Friday afternoon, but clubs they’ve spoken with say they’re more focused on “under-the-radar” bullpen arms." San Diego closer Heath Bell is among those names, but the Rays didn’t like the price.
Are Weathers, Rhodes, Masset, anyone else, considered under the radar?
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't know about under ...
but rhodes and weathers might be considered older than radar
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bo diaz is under the radar
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boobs, your joke was given a poor reception.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved it.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw this and nearly choked on Diet Coke. Too soon?
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's up Boston? (MLBTR):
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really wonder what the Tribe got for that one
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Clay Buttholes.
say it right, dammit!
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love finding new, good restaurants.
Best thing? Discuss imo.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's too quiet
Does that mean Jocketty has everything on lockdown and working the phones?
Or is he just taking an afternoon siesta?
I’m guessing the latter…
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Both. Which, sources say, has trade partners thouroughly confused.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's negotiating a nap?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sources say he's already acquired a nap.
He was last seen muttering in his dreams about Yorman Rodriguez, Homer Bailey, and Albert Pujols.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
La LA land (MLBTR):
Mark Saxon of the OC Register thinks an Angels trade may be in the works, with the Halos recalling catcher Bobby Wilson and infielder Sean Rodriguez despite one free roster spot. Of course, someone could be headed to the DL.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More LA fun (MLBTR):
Heath Bell Rumors: Friday
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 1:18pm CST]
1:18pm: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, sorry.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say whoever loses the fight for Bell
gets “Stormy” Weathers as a consolation prize.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell do the Dodgers need Bell for?
Sherrill, Bell, and Broxton???
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Martinez (MLBTR):
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So the Indians took a page from the Pirates play book and gave away one of their best players...
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Theo gives CLE a nice fuckin is Bucholz isn’t in the deal.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also leaves the door wide open for Halladay or Gonzalez
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Masterson is in it
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to think
we need to hope someone from the yanks, phils, or dodgers pitching staff gets hurt in August so we can trade Arroyo or Harang. Problem is Arizon has Davis and Garland who are pitching about the same and are a lot cheaper.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the money
The Yankees would be interested, but no way are they paying Arroyo’s full salary. Cashman went over budget when he signed Teixeira, and that means he can’t throw money around now.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check it Bubba (MLBTR)
1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unknown at this time
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Tribe's plunder (MLBTR):
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More on this (MLBTR):
Gut reaction: nice haul. Mayo also says the two clubs are looking at additional names to add for Cleveland.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(MLBTR):
2:03pm: Done deal, says Nightengale via Twitter.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love that move.
cleveland should sign jack parkman.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a jerk and they'll just trade him the White Sox anyway
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got you an outfielder, he used to play for the Giants
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bat Masterson?
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
little over an hour to go
Looks like a quiet one this year.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
We will try to move Harang or Arroyo post deadline, but I don’t see that happening unless another starter get injured somewhere along the line.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm actually ok with this
and not the least bit surprised
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....what the fuck about Weathers and Rhodes?
Again, this season, really, nothing?
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats different.
i expected us to move them and we still may. at least one of them.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel to have a better team in 2010
We needed to move one of Harang/Arroyo/Cordero. UNLESS Bob give Walt an increase in payroll. Otherwise, those 3 will make about half of our payroll. Woo.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB network
quoting Rosenthal sez the Padres may send Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell to the Dodgers….Loney would be one of the players the Pads receive
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe they would trade their 2 best players within the division
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially this i would think they'd be able to afford one of them...
odd…
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this = since...
not even sure wtf i was thinking…?
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the Dodgers are only thinking about this year
they want the brass ring, and I don’t think they care if the Padres are a good team in 2011, because of trades made this year.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA is not screwing around (MLBTR):
1:55pm: From Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports: the Dodgers are making a run at Gonzalez and Bell (separately or together); they could send James Loney to San Diego in such a deal.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta may just rise again, sort of (MLBTR):
Braves Interested In Adam LaRoche
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 1:59pm CST]
First baseman Adam LaRoche becomes expendable for Boston if they complete the Victor Martinez trade; Jon Heyman of SI tells us via Twitter that the Braves are interested. LaRoche came up with the Braves; they traded him to Pittsburgh for Mike Gonzalez in ’
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
'07.
… sorry about that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yahoo says
A LaRoache back to Atlanta. Hope he didnt sign a lease in Boston.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"a" laroche?
which one?
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Bell (MLBTR)
2:11pm: ESPN’s Buster Olney says the Twins have interest in Bell, as well as Oakland’s Michael Wuertz.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is interested in Reds players. Kinda funny.
by Dude Rock on Jul 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For all we know
Walt has a huge blockbuster set up. All 30 teams in the league, and we would end up with Hanley. We’d still be stuck Arroyo and Harang though.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHERRY HUDSON GONE (MLBTR)
Yankees Acquire Jerry Hairston Jr.
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:17pm CST]
The Yankees acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A baseball bat ...
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was my understanding that Cherry Hudson Junior came with a baseball bat
Sort of a package deal.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but in return, we got a NICER bat.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the pink Mother's day ones
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some balls
This team could use a pair or two.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet deal if they pay A Rod's salary
maybe it’s Jeter
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they'd have to pick up part of his salary.
Otherwise this trade could never be done.
by DocRam on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SURPRISE!!!
Now we are stuck with A-Gon and Willy at the top of the order though.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now who's going to play shortstop
ahead of Janish?
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Janish's eyes just lit up
He moved up in the depth chart one spot… maybe
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Stormy gets traded...
he might be our go-to 8th inning guy, too.
PAYCHECK!!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Cherry of all people????
We probably got nothing useful in this deal.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cherry is the only one who saved us from a no hitter
I really don’t think losing Cherry is a smart move
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Useless move.
He’s not good, but he’s a good utility player and we’re not going to get anything decent for him.
Maybe Patterson was involved too? MLBTR isn’t loading for me.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
Didn’t see that coming. So long, outfield depth. Hello, full-time Sea Bass at SS.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And our opponents tonight made a move as well (MLBTR):
Rockies Acquire Joe Beimel
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:20pm CST]
The Rockies acquired lefty reliever Joe Beimel, according to Chico Harlan of the Washington Post.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He definitely has that "loner in a mountain cabin" look
Good move.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the deals...
I didn’t expect that one
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye, Jerry.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see what they got in return...
Jerry wasn’t being paid much, and was a decent IF and OF player…
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least until we sign him again in December . . . sigh
by Brian B on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE HELL?
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cherry gone really?
Can’t wait to see the garbage they got for him. I actually liked having his cheap utility ways on this team
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was probably one of the worst ones we could've traded...
He provided this already depleted team with a little depth and utility… I think I’m a little saddened that we no longer get any Cherry Hudson, Jr. time.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at first glance,
this move is so off the wall it appears they actually have a plan
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they just wanted to trade someone..
We’ll see who they got.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get ready for a Rosales trade
something big is brewing…
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosales for A-Rod after Cherry for Jeter?
I think we win this time, Yankees.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
the Yankees admired the hustle
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not very Yankee-like... but I'll take it!
Shrewd trade, Walt.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't "working the phones" all week for nothing!
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Yankees also recognized
great talent when Jerry Hairston made Latos look hittable
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first I thought you misspelled Latinos
Since he’s half-Mexican and all. And you wanted to punch him.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL no
I liked Cherry, I’ll be sorry to see him go
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just wanted insurance in case they were in a no-hitter situation.
Stick Cherry in to pinch hit in the 9th and he’ll save the day.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think that but you forget...
this is the Reds.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Hairston was about #14 on who I wanted dealt today
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
word is Dusty wont come out of his office
he’s locked himself inside in protest.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That means we can win!!!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky us.
Hopefully he kept the lineup in there with him.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's getting traded too!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T JINX IT!
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty's Protest Lineup
Hairston CF
Hairston SS
Hairston LF
Hairston 2B
Hairston 1B
Hairston RF
Hairston 3B
Hairston C
Janish P
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This made me laugh
Rec for you.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this helps Dusty-proff the roster. i thought it was what so many of us wanted?
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Maybe T-virus and Gonzo are throwins for the deal
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cherry is really going to the Yankees the good news is
Bubba can watch him on the Yankees too lol
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
30 more minutes to trade:
Arroyo
Harang
Weathers
Rhodes
Rosales
Gonzales
Hernandez
Encarnacion
Taveras
Let’s send them all, and cash, to Tampa for Longoria!
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Noooo not Rosales...
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
REALLLLLLY
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does this love for Quad A players with occasional power and no glove come from?
he sure seems like a nice kid, though
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea lol
I just want him to do well.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
he seems nice and lovable. Never looks like he’s given up. AND he is a great source of comedy
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we will make a few more moves in the next 30 minutes
I’m really anxious to see what we get in return for Cherry though
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am too, I can't believe of all people HE was traded. I kinda liked him.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to get someone whose name Grande can mangle just as badly
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Hariston?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last time please...
Would someone be kind enough to post “Cherry Hudson Jr. with a baseball bat”
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So we save.. 700,000?
Depending on what we got? Which might have just been some bubble gum or toothpicks? Maybe a new bed for uncle Walt?
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Cherry’s batting .254 and about 5th on the team and is currently the only one hitting. And plays every position on our injury-prone team. Awesome. Wladimir better be ready.
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Wladamir the new LLM?
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Diver!
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here he is getting ready for his Reds debut
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can still see it when I close my eyes.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is his new punch line.
When he comes in to pinch hit, over the loud speakers they play…
“I am Wladamir… I am always ready”
He will then proceed to hit a HR… every time.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theme from Rocky IV every time he bats
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is very bad to steal Wladamir's rum.
Is very bad.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we're not the Yankees...
From what I read on the internets, Yankee fans hate this deal aside from the fact that it ends the Cody Ransom experiment. They want a big move.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I always knew the Marlins were quitters (MLBTR):
Marlins End Pursuit Of Nick Johnson
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:37pm CST]
2:37pm: Rosenthal and Morosi report that the Marlins are no longer pursuing Johnson or Heath Bell.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
theyre focusing all their energy on moving hanley to the reds
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't grab a Johnson, which meant the Bell end.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit Rolen to Reds
mlbtv is reporting it
by GrooveLeg on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No fucking way
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you joking?
I can’t tell on the internetz
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CRAP ROLEN
is coming…
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not possible, Hairston was their trade bait.....
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox just dumped LaRoche to the Braves.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Braves', uh, scalp, for LaRoche (MLBTR):
2:38pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says LaRoche could be swapped for Casey Ko
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That should say
Casey Kotchman.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The Reds acquired third baseman Scott Rolen, according to SI’s Jon Heyman. The next step is Rolen approving the trade.”
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG Jocketty what are you doing to us?!
This is an emotional 20 minutes!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FROM THE BEGINNING
HE WAS ALWAYS WITH THE CARDINALS STILL!
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK IT ALL (MLBTR):
Reds Acquire Scott Rolen
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:40pm CST]
The Reds acquired third baseman Scott Rolen, according to SI’s Jon Heyman. The next step is Rolen approving the trade.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh God...what was swapped for him..
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edwin cut his simulated game short.
Bad news on elbow sure to follow, says Fay.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edinson?
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bold prediction
If E5 isn’t in the package for Rolen, he’s a LF now.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a bold prediction
That’s a bold prediction
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean edinson
which sucks big time
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst. Day. Ever.
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, this last five minutes is the worst five minutes of the season
and that’s saying something
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what is going on any more!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds are about to make a run.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even worse then the Pujhols grand slam?
Which basically put us into the we’re fucked category?
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. Edinson.
Clearly I’m stuck on the Rolen trade.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can hear it now...
Rolen approved the trade after a long phone conversation with Wladamir Balantien…
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Saweeeeet, Rolen!!!
C’mon Scott, Cincy is beautiful this time of year!
Rolen is a Reds fan is he not?
by mdccclxix on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck
We got Rolen too. Reject it, Scott! DO NOT WANT!
by Brian B on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
FUCK FUCK FUCK
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't stop laughing.
Am I dying or going insane???
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!! ROLEN
good move walt! send e5 packing!
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
right, cause Scott will help so much when he's a cancer in the clubhouse AND on the DL and making three times the money
good move, Walt. Could you trade Cueto now for Mike Hampton
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And Votto for Chan Ho Park. Pleasepleasepleaseplease Uncle Walt?
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he can hit his weight
in batting average lolz
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLBTV commentators
are all baffled hahaha
Walt and Rolen is like Dusty and Patterson/Taveras
34 years old, 11 mil contract, injury prone
I hope Edwin starts killing it in Toronto
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll come.
Walt has almost certainly already greased the skids.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got off the phone with Ash ...
Things are dying all around her.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
she's one happy loud bitch
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN Chat:
Michael (Colorado)
Blue Jays trade. Oops, scott Rolen to the Reds. Does this move do anything, really, for either team?
Rob Neyer
(3:42 PM)
Really??? I don’t see how on earth it helps the Reds unless they flip him immediately, and I don’t know if it helps the Jays because I don’t know who they got for Rolen.
David (Chicago)
The Rolen trade clears payroll for the Blue Jays and makes it possible for the Reds to end up 9 games back instead of 10.5
Rob Neyer
(3:44 PM)
Ouch.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you gotta think
it helps us for next year, until one of our prospects is ready
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Fay an hour ago (twitter)
johnfaymanAn hour and 8 minutes to go till the deadline. Looks like the #Reds may do nothing.
He was setting us up for disappointment!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can we afford Rolen?
Surely this means something else is going down, right?
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walt is one dumbass motherfucker
Roenicke and Zach Stewart and Edwin Encarnacion for Scott F. Rolen?
FLEECED.
Sell this team, Bob. Please.
by Brian B on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we know who we got/gave up in these deals?
Fucking reporters, pick up the slack.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thi can only be salvaged if we gave them Weathers
by Brian B on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Thi can only be salvaged if we gave them Weathers
by Brian B on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
How injury prone is Rolen?
I’m very apprehensive about all this. It’s made the last half hour interesting though
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
VERY. This is the first season in the last three he's played more than a 120 games (and he hasn't done it yet)
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's 34!
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then this move really bothers me
it’s not worth it
by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Reds reporter dud knows anything. these are all out of market reports
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They have these inventions now...I'm not sure what they call them in New York, but I know they have them in Cincy
they are called “cell phones.”
You can take them pretty much wherever and call people! I know, amazing!
Wish Fay had one.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Fay has is complaints that Walt won't call!
by timb116 on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boys never call.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldn't have given it up the first night
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we gave up Alonso...
shoot me now.
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like a top prospect must have been involved unless we're cutting salary elsewhere.
Jays weren’t going to take on the money without a top prospect coming back. Talk about selling high.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
link
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fail
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
by shortstopv2 on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, not original reporting.
Fay is worthless.
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Fay just doing what we are doing and reading MLBTR?
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chatter on twitter
Is that we ended up with Austin Jackson for Cherry.
by RedStalk on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that one of their top prospects...
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranked 27 in the top 50...
He’s a CF
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea who that is...
Good or bad?
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospect Rankings*
2006 – #5 ranked for NYY
2008 – #41 ranked MLB
2008 – #2 ranked for NYY
2009 – #1 ranked for NYY
by jsl413 on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck my shit....
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)
by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's basically their Jay Bruce
If we got him, holy shit.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
That would be great!
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chatter on twitter also said we were hot on the heels of Hanley Ramirez
by DocRam on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that Steven Hawking fell off his boat.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is he? whats' he play?
hopefully not basketball
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New thread
http://www.redreporter.com/2009/7/31/969503/reds-may-have-acquired-scott-rolen
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My sources say that a new thread is a good idea
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It makes about as much sense as the Rolen trade.
by RedStalk on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we sent
Stubbs for Rolen and got Jackson for Hairston. I guess that would be ok.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
It seems like everywhere I read about Rolen, People are Bullshitting themselves. Did that really happen?
I’m going to the game today, Call me if you’re going.
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by Excalib8 on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More on Heath Bell (MLBTR):
2:54pm: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, via Twitter, says the Twins’ talks for Bell are all but dead. However, they’re in on Arizona’s Jon Rauch.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
edwin and alonso for Rolen??
prepare the tar and feathers
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
by Caleb on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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