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101 Damnations. Reds lose 7-4.


Final - 7.30.2009 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 RHE
San Diego Padres 1 1 0 0 4 0 1 0 0 7 11 0
Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 4 9
0
WP: Tim Stauffer (1 - 2)
LP: Johnny Cueto (8 - 8)



Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game

Will Venable.  Venable went 4-5 with a run and four RBI.  His three-run homer in the fifth proved to be the margin of victory.

Key Plays

  • The Reds first inning woes continued when Johnny Cueto walked Luis Rodriguez on a questionable fourth ball.  Adrian Gonzalez's double moved him to third where he scored on Kevin Kouzmanoff's sac fly.
  • The Padres doubled their advantage in the second inning when Kyle Blanks led off with a single.  Will Venable hit a ball that Brandon Phillips couldn't come up with, and Blanks took third.  He scored on a double play ball hit by Henry Blanco.
  • The Reds threatened to make it interesting in the fourth as Joey Votto and Phillips led off with consecutive doubles.  Jonny Gomes walked to put runners on first and second with no outs, but trade rumor subject Edwin Encarnacion showed how much he liked playing in Cincinnati by grounding into a double play, and Laynce Nix grounded out.
  • Still, a 2-1 game was pretty exciting!  And of course it didn't stay that way.  Luis Rodriguez singled to lead off the fifth for the Friars, and was replaced on the basepaths one out later by a Kevin Kouzmanoff force out.  Cueto might have escaped, but why do that when he could just let the wheels fall off?  Chase Headley doubled, scoring the Kouz, and Kyle Blanks was hit by a pitch.  Dick Pole whispered some sage advice to Cueto, who then promptly gave up a homer to Will Venable.
  • Headley, Blanks, and Venable provided the Pads' final run in the seventh.  The first two walked, and Venable singled.  7-1 Padres, and it seemed like a bad game was about to be reapeated.
  • Okay, only mostly repeated.  In the ninth inning, the Reds attempted a rally.  Encarnacion, in perhaps his last at bat as a Red, singled and Laynce Nix walked.  Pinch hitter Adam Rosales then stepped in and cranked a three run homer of his own (Suck it, Venable!).  And then the Reds still lost by three.

 7-30-09_medium

via FanGraphs

Other News

  • This was Tim Stauffer's first win in three years.
  • The Padres have won three in a row, their longest winning streak this season since they won ten in a row from May 15-25.  That streak, of course, started with their sweep of the Reds.
  • The Padres finished the season 6-1 against the Reds.  They're 35-61 against everyone else.
  • Positives... positives... oh!  Craig Tatum had two hits, raising his average to .150.

 


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I heart my misery

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Pops, Pete has an idea worth considering
the paper bags over the head seems to get regular media coverage

by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT

Slyde or BK should get another RR gathering at the next available Red’s game and we could all wear paper bags (over our heads)…and then save them for later in the year when the Bungles start their regular season of losing.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up.

Had me laughing and crying.

Why couldn’t my idol as a kid have a friend who was a Cardinal fan. I could their games in indy on mlb.tv, I would never have heard of George Grand or tHom, I would live without the ghost of scrappy, under-.400 slugging hustle being the franchise archetype, and I could taste what winning feels like.

Still,. for all that, this write up is a bit of lemonade from the lemons the Reds handed me

by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

One message for the Reds. from a Canuck no less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHl4OmRpq8M

I didn’t sample the Jocketty/Castellini Kool-Aid, but we have Adam Rosales to carry us through the rest of the season

by Red_Poodle on Jul 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I love this team.
* This was Tim Stauffer’s first win in three years.
* The Padres have won three in a row, their longest winning streak this season since they won ten in a row from May 15-25. That streak, of course, started with their sweep of the Reds.
* The Padres finished the season 6-1 against the Reds. They’re 35-61 against everyone else.

Goonight Irene indeed.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Regarding on all this Rolen nonsense

It’s obvious that Jocketty has a serious mancrush on his boy Rolen, and it looks inevitable that the Reds will get him somehow.

Resigned to this fact, I’m actually OK with getting Rolen under the following conditions…

1. The Blue Jays eat a huge chunk of money
2. The Reds keep Edwin and stick him in LF
3. The Reds don’t trade Yonder for him. Trade Yonder next season for something better when the team is hopefully in contention.

"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

There's no way the trade happens

and all three of those conditions are met.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, so I'm going to hate it

My attitude is this. If the Reds don’t like Edwin, fine. But don’t go and trade him for an older more expensive 3B. Trade some middling prospects for Rolen and cash, then ship Edwin off in another trade to address some other team needs.

"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

what else am I supposed to do with my cake?

/Carlin’d

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlin? Is that where I got that from?

Fuck. I thought I made that up. But I’ve seen all his performances and read his books, so I must have stolen it along the way.

by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Perhaps we can convice Rolen to retire, and he can be the hitting coach.

Two birds, one stone.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin would definitely be included

Which might be ok with me if we don’t give up prospects or take on much salary. What worries me is giving up prospects and taking money.

Regardless, it’s so galling that with all of the areas of suck on this team, they consider 3B an area of need. They’ll probably get Rolen then re-sign Gonzo and Nix.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gonzo has an option

and don’t think they’re not considering picking that baby up.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't say I don't disagree the opposite of you're argument

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*your

Beat you to it, Gray

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was intentionally confusing

I have no clue what they will do with him. I’m baffled as to why he is even on the team as we speak.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

Could ESPN be any more somber about the Ortiz/Manny leak?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366683

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

And are we really surprised?

The only person that would truly sadden me to see implicated is Junior.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 30, 2009 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i just dont think it's that big of a deal

for anyone. it wouldnt surprise me at all for Jr or anyone to have done it. and if they did it would not bother me at all.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just want Larkin to get into the Hall

and I’d hate for any implications to prevent that

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

am i alone in thinking that the HOF is kind of a joke?

i’d like to see Larkin inducted, but if he isnt im only going to be angry that a bunch of dimwits dont see baseball like i do. he’ll still be my all time favorite ballplayer irregardless.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are so alone

but not about this. I won’t be broken if he doesn’t get in, but I’d love to see him celebrated for the great player that he was. I think he was underappreciated for his generation.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be mad

He’s one of the greatest, most complete shortstops of all time. He deserves to be in.

And he’s my favorite baseball player ever.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell- same here...

Gotta love number 11.

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irregardless is not a word sir, and the next time you use it I will coming to find you and steal my bobblehead back.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

irregardless of whether or not i stole your bobblehead

i will continue to use the word.

and my Firefox spell check didnt correct “irregardless”. i know it is not a word, but why dont they?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My phone tried to correct "regale" today

One of the suggestions was “regaled”. Amazing.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

believe it or not

its in some dictionaries – misuse a word long enough and it becomes accepted

by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lance Armstrong's ego?

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

every language is like that

any language that doesnt evolve is dead

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think it's about evolution of the language

it’s about the word being illogical. the prefix ir and the suffix less are both negatives, making the word a double-negative. it just doesnt make sense.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some argue

that it doesn’t not make sense.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

it doesnt matter

lots of current english words are mangled versions of their old selves and/or make no sense at all.

and for the record, when “irregardless” appears in the dictionary, it is noted that it’s essentially incorrect. In Webster’s NW Third, "irregardless is defined thusly: “REGARDLESS: A non-standard or humorous usage.”

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's pretty funny

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want mine encriptive!

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

double negatives were a cherished and useful feature of English

until the Enlightenment gatekeepers purified the language

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on Jul 31, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Larkin

and I hate to say it, but I don’t think either was clean.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to see that.

Why would you type that for me to see it?

by DocRam on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

cuz I'm a grade A Dick

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

USDA certified?

"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, that's small

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right? Only 21K for a pic that big?

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Junior's clean

And Jeter. Everyone else is suspect.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly. He can flat-out steroid free hit

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jul 30, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Words can't describe how much I want to see him and David Eckstein on that list

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be rather epic

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jul 30, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

God love you. As we speak, Hal, sMarty, tHom, and Keith Olberman are standing at the "Moral Outrage Machine" and priming the pump for one more dose

of ignoring “players’ coffee,” greenies, cortisone shots and the million other ways players use substances that are forbidden by the actual rules. They plan on driving the Machine around the track for a once more ritual run of sack-cloth, teeth-gnashing, and “what will the children think.”

meanwhile, I think it’s more clear what the phrase “That’s just Manny being Manny” meant, i.e. “who know what any of us are capable when we’re hopped up on that many ’roids.”

by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love everything near me, too.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was just pointing out that they're red sox fans

and did all they could to promote boston to be america’s Team B.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was SHOCKED to hear that

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but nobody’s talking about it

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh!

It’s like fight club!

The first rule of the rolen trade is that you don’t talk about the rolen trade

by thevole on Jul 30, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more like experimenting in college

it didn’t happen.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

or maybe it's like Reno

It’ll be the biggest little mistake the GM has ever made!

by thevole on Jul 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have met you in college

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody's got a man crush going on

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lurv me some Jo-eh

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

i was talking about brendan :-)

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I lurv him too, especially after meeting him

He looks like he’d perfect to cuddle up with on a cold December DC night.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Brendan.

I shuttered and laughed all at once.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Exactly.

Then I typed a massive typo.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Then I ____ a massive ____."

“Typed” and “typo” wouldn’t have been my first guesses, had we been doing a madlib.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our great war is against getting on base

We’re just finding out that Alex Gonzalez is still on the team and we are VERY pissed off about it.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLBT: Reds "back off" Rolen trade
ESPN’s Peter Gammons says the Reds “backed off a potential deal” for Rolen. The Reds are actually hoping to move some contracts, and will listen on Bronson Arroyo, David Weathers, Aaron Harang, and Arthur Rhodes. Plus there’s the issue of the Jays not wanting to trade Rolen if they keep Halladay.

Link

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I like reading that second sentence especially

I still want to see Harang here next year, but I’m teetering. I think his exasperation with being a member of this team alone might set him up to fail in 2010.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I think if he comes out and goes 5-0 because he’s got a decent offense behind him, he might get over it. :)

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the hope

but if there’s ever a candidate for a change of scenery, Aaron’s it.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slyde, what kind of weird pitching stat is that..

..with the five where the three goes and the zero where the six should be?

"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think Harang is pretty much done here. The lack of run support and the shellacking he’s getting from some of the local media over his win/loss record (the same ones that don’t have the balls to call out Dusty on his bone-headed moves) pretty much seals it.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was most disappointed to see Mo trashing Harang because of his record today

There are arguments against Harang, but if you are going to start and end with his record, you’re an idiot.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is clearly true

Harang has lost games, or got no decisions in games, where he only allowed 2 runs. On a team with a mediocre offense, that would be a win

by Red_Poodle on Jul 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that Mo piece really set me off earlier

But I’ve seen a few other members of our media spouting the same nonsense.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

what bugs me is that complete misuse of stats is Lance's schtick

if Mo picks it up, there will be no differentiation between the two.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't think they really buy that crap either

It’s just kicking a guy when he’s down is just too darn tempting for them.

by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEVER take sports talk radio seriously

SRSLY.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Adam from Milwaukee?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've never heard

of Adam from Milwaukee?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont throw peanuts

unless you’ve got your shirt off. Got it.

by Excalib8 on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My shirt stayed on, thankyouverymuch

Well, I think so.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know at least 4 of them intimately...

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah there are those guys

but the sports talk guys… the post game show has a loud screaming near midget whose partner is blind and goes on endlessly about how things “look.” They both want the team to make a big trade no matter what the price and they scream it. I call Sparky, the little guy, Squeaky. The ESPN affiliate has an old guy who sounds just like Grandpa Simpson and is about as senile. The program director was on the local cable channel access show and he’s evolving into Captain Kangaroo – that is looks wise. Why anyone would do that I don’t know. I could go on.

by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well that's two shows

and I was trying to find a picture of Captain Kangaroo and it turns out its Craig Karmazin who I assume is the son of Mel who is some world media honcho or somesuch. Turns out he used to have a show in Cleveland.

I couldn’t find a small pic of Squeaky and the guy who will tell you why guys like Hardy “look” bad, but here’s the page for their show if you’re curious.

by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a former employee, I have to rec this

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

erm, a former RADIO employee

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So are we all just hoping for an 11th hour surprise?

If I were GM and witness to this excrement pile, I’d know my offseason team-building was cut out for me.

Prescriptions:

- Get some salary relief for Bronson, however possible. He’s got a negative WAR this year.
- Get whatever B-level prospects you can for Weathers, preferably at SS and OF
- Salary dump on Rhodes, prospects if you can get them
- Listen to anyone who would consider taking on half of Cordero’s salary
- Maybe even consider trading another bullpen arm if you only can swing deals on one of the vets. More OF or SS prospects for Masset or some package of our other remaining MLB-ready arms, excluding Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Wood

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you going after 85+ wins in 2010?

Without Cordero and/or Rhodes?

"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't do all of this

I think you dump both Rhodes and Weathers if you can. Not all three and not both Cordero and Rhodes.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd keep rhodes

dump weathers. dump cordero.

by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep at least one of them

But Rhodes has the most value + trade-ability. You’ve got to make something happen. It’d be nice if Walt could swing a trade similar to what the Pirates just did with Grabow. (Rhodes or Arroyo) + (Masset or Roenicke) for the Angels’ Sean Rodriguez + B-level sleeper OF prospect.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just flashed up on MLBTR

Angels are still interested in Weathers and Rhodes. I say give them both if you can get a S-Rod and another prospect.

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they stick the q-tip in you?

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about?

sicko

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone's obviously never been to the free clinic

(me either, but I know people who have. Really.)

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds awesome

actually it sounds like i might as well visit you

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have some beer here that has your name written all over it

See here.

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by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would like to have that beer

very much

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That shrewd ol Uncle Walt - backing off from the Rolen trade

The Jays are shaking in their boots….
What if we don’t get Peter Bronson and Edwin Encrustation and those 4 suspects..!!!!!.

Yeah right…more likely:
The Jays are backing off as the trade ending date approaches and the real offers start flowing in…

I can’t imagine that the Red’s ownership/General managership won’t fuck this deal one way or the other. The Reds have so little leverage right now that it is pathetic…and Walt has to know that.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

The Fay says

It’s Lehr.

Which is about as astonishing as the news that Big Papi was on ’roids.

(Somebody’s already grabbed the Boston Roid Sox domain name.)

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

My simulated Reds team in OOTP baseball is 71-31

Acquired Jacob Elisbury and dealt Weathers for a younger reliever..

Getting really good years from Bruce, Encarnacion, Dickerson, and all the pitchers

So a little unrealistic – and lucky with injury

But fun :)

by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of astonishing

The sighting of JD at the last RR game was was almost more than I could bear. there He was not 10 feet from me…me, just an old blogger…a wishful drinker with an occasional moment of coherency…10 feet away from Him.
Gray looking away, hoping not break the spell of greatness which descended upon us all…
Gray the chosen one..sitting His left hand…Caleb the Lawgiver, at the right…pretty exciting stuff for this old man.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/jch24/gray-and-bigfoot.jpg

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

and me and my GF!

thanks for the background old man.

by Excalib8 on Jul 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

My most serious apologies...Ex...

I was so taken with JD’s countenance that I failed you and your GF….
It will prolly happen again…hey I’m old but don’t rub it in..someday you’ll be told to ‘go take a walk’ by some wishful whippersnapper!

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Fay

thinks the Reds want to make a move, but nobody’s interested in their players.

He think something could happen after the deadline, though. Because of their high salaries, Arroyo, Harang, and Cordero would likely clear waivers, allowing a deal to be done after the deadline.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

this is a most like scenario

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greatest picture ever?

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the sexy ass curl peeking out behind the ear

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by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

This one is.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that one's very good

but we need it in full douchebag color

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, serious question time

Many of us here are Yuengling fans…would you be interested in a RR eyewitness report from the brewery?

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by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

yes'm

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck. Yeah.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Done then

Expect it sometime in September or October at this point.

"I'm going to become rich and famous after I invent a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet"

by jch24 on Jul 30, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.

We might be busy with other things in September or October.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hal McCoy

Did any catch the line is his latest blog entry about last night’s lose…“The Reds must be Latos intolerant”

That was hilarious.

by Dave from Louisville on Jul 30, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The fact that David Weathers is still a Red at this moment is criminal

So fucking mind boggling. Really? No one ha any used socks to trade? Every team in the league is looking for relief pitching, and you can’t get a hold of anyone, Walt? Do your stinking job, old man.

by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah

he has been a must-trade for 3 straight Julys. i like the old guy, but it’s just bad baseball.

i just had a chilling thought: ive been holding my breath until the deadline hoping that this Rolen deal doesnt happen, but i just realized he will likely pass through waivers. July 31 means nothing to Walt. fml.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This thread is very interesting, and strange

Now for a question. My bro informed me that Joey Votto was signing autos at Florence Mall. Is that true? Because if so, I totally missed the opportunity to have him sign my Canadian 5 bucks I haven’t used. It might be worth 5+ then lol.

Then again, my bro is known to fabricate and impersonate Jeff Brantley. I can’t miss a Brantley auto signing. If that comes up, someone needs to make a fanshot so I don’t miss it!

by Red_Poodle on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would someone have him sign a car?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hoped he was talking about brantley

and he wasn’t joking

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's too much even for this blog

we’d have to petition for a ban

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he's an admin

can he really be banned? who watches the watchmen?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know who can ban him

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i would toss him through a high rise window like he was the Comedian. that would be so fucking sweet.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

a plan!

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I nearly had a heart attack!

then I realized he menat Brantley, but Brantley would take the car out first

by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, he was there

I meant to post it on the site, but I did post it on twitter (technically I retweeted it).

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the confirmation (bro not a liar today lol), obviously I should be following on twitter

I haven’t really made much use of that site yet. Kind of a sucky time to have to sign autographs for him. I’d probably be in a mood after a game like that.

by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Votto was at cardboard heroes in the florence mall to sign autographs July 30

i knew he was going to be there, and I knew the date, but it just occurred to me that today is July 30 :-(

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh sorry you missed him

good thing i already have his autograph. twice.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

one on each butt cheek?

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

mr. votto

do you mind signing my balls?

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to botox the wrinkles out of 'em first.

Otherwise, it will look weird.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife works at the Lady Footlocker that is directly above that CBH

She was pumped that Jo-eh was going to be in the same mall as she was. Apparently Old Man Weathers frequents the mall as well.

by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have seen weathers there three times

he’s always with a large group of people that i assume to be his family…

next time I’m at the mall (tomorrow) i’ll go to lady footlocker and say which one of you is wishful drifter’s wife?

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cumb'd.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

least surprising news ever

you at a lady footlocker? nahhhhhhh.

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by obc2 on Jul 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

like you've never been

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

oddly, i havent

spent a lot of time at Gymboree, Children’s Place and that damn Dino play area. but its been years since i actually went to y’all mall. weird, no?

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're missing out

cardboard heroes carries some quality UK gear

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of dont want to tell her about this

Just to see how she would react, or if she would even know what you were talking about

by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...i'm most likely not going to do it

 but chan is planning on getting some running shoes this weekend…

RR Discount!

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Jim Day

but not to sign autographs

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful, Poodle!

Don’t want to get Joey or yourself in legal troubles for defacing the queen’s currency. If you get caught, a mountie might hunt you down and very politely ask that you not do it again.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no idea!

You’re right, I better be careful, however, I have been intent upon seeing a mounte for osmetime now so this might be the best way to bring it about lol

by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's a good idea.

I’m sure Votto would get a kick out of it.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Sell High Reds:

Brandon Phillips
Joey Votto
Cueto
Rhodes
Weathers
Masset
Hanigan
Gomes
Bailey
Roenike

These guys don’t suck and aren’t expensive. Who should we be getting rid of now before we hate them like we hate Harang and Arroyo? This list doesn’t include Bruce, Volquez or Dickerson who are injured.

We need a frickin SS, SP, and LF besides any holes created by any departures. Honestly, at this point, if I’m GM I’m listening to all offers. Yes, even Votto.

Remember, we’ve learned that you can’t sell what you don’t want for more than it’s worth. However, it’s easier to sell what you value for more than it’s worth, if you know what you’re doing.

If you’re Walt, 4pm Friday isn’t your deadline. It’s February 2010.

Get it fucking done Walt, DO SOMETHING.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

we are not the Pirates

because we actually have some valuable talent at the major league level. they have no talent at any level, so they have to blow the whole organization to holy hell in order to completely rebuild. we arent 1 player away from contending, but we are 3 or 4.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since last year:

Jason Bay
Xavier Nady
Freddy Sanchez
Jack Wilson
Grabow
LaRoche

Have been traded – and then some. Why do all these contenders want their players? Of course they have had MLB talent. Just in the wrong spots. Probably needed 2-3 more pitchers to win, but Snell bombed and so did Gorzo. My fear is that the same thing will happen with Cueto or Volquez. You don’t know. But if you sell high, you lose some risk. The Reds have until Feb 2010 to THINK BIG.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

each and every one of those guys you just listed

is a touch above league average at best. they are all complementary players, not a single cornerstone (like Votto, Bruce, Cueto, Volquez) among them. while they had value, i mean, other teams did trade for them, they werent long term pieces to the Pirate puzzle.

the Reds arent in the unenviable position the Pirates were in, but you are right that they have to start making the right moves.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you say cornerstone, I question that now.

Because what is really a cornerstone for the Reds right now? If their organization is a building right now, it’s a 1945 3 bedroom in Cheviot. Votto is proven. I’m barely ready to say that. Bruce, no way. Cueto, not really at all. Volquez, injury concerns. This year has really taken place, and the unfortunate result has been awful for 2 or 3 of the cornerstones. If you start to see signs before anyone else, perhaps it’s not imprudent to start unlocking the case and dealing. No way all our pieces rise to dominance.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet!

My friend sleeps in Joey Votto!!!

/seriously, he owns a mid-40s 3-bedroom in Cheviot

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what you're saying.

But the Reds have enough pieces in place to consider adding two or three or four more for a run at 85-95 wins in 2010. And then we just have to hope that Walt makes a trade down the stretch and we have to hope that the Cubs and the Cards and the Brewers kinda stand around and see the little Reds Engine That Could sneaking past them.

I know that doesn’t inspire much confidence and it certainly isn’t a recipe for any type of “dominance” but that is where this team is and it is what we are right now.

(BTW.. Then we have to hope that Harang outpitches Hamels in Game 1 of the NLDS.)

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't follow you.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just comparing our line up with the top teams is a promising dose of reality.

This lineup Walt sold as contenders was full of “ifs”, and our cornerstones are not “actually” cornerstones.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, I hear ya..

but regardless of what Bob or Walt or Dusty (or anybody) has said about how the Reds are gonna do this or do that and regardless of how thoroughly you examine at NL Central rosters you can’t really claim that you looked at this 2009 team back in April and thought that they were going to win 90+ games without a 22oz bottle of unicorn tears, a wink from a leprechaun and a handjob from a succubus.

There weren’t and maybe aren’t many/any “cornerstones” but there’s enough talent around to be comfortable peering into the future.

But now it’s August ‘09 and the Reds are racing the depleted Pirates to the league’s basement that the Nationals are (don’t look now.. they’re playing .500 ball!) trying to vacate. What do you do? You go back to the drawing board and this time you really do add some free agents (after you’ve traded for Rolen) and you hope that Jay and Joey are All Stars. In it at the All-Star break… Add a bat… Blah blah blah…

Yes, it sucks but it is what it is and even though it may not at all seem like it, what it is is the closest the Reds have been to October since Jack McKeon left town.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bit on the 26-20 start, for sure. Walt and Dusty were kind of

puffing their chest’s out a bit. You could hear as things slid in June that they were “sure they had things calculated correctly” to contend. The reality there was they had played the very easiest schedule out of 30 schedules.

Sell High! If you know it helps, ya know…

by mdccclxix on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya Alan but

It seems like it was only last August that we were saying the same thing about 2009

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying we weren't.

But I think Bob and Walt passed on last off-season’s free agents and I can only assume that they did it while thinking/assuming that Jay and Joey would develop into solid contributors if not All-Stars by 2010 and that Jonny and Edinson and Homer would fill out the rotation nicely and that Harang would be the anchor and Arroyo would eat innings and Cordero would be the expensive quasi-dominant closer.

And then if the team was in it in July they’d add a left-fielder. And if the team wasn’t in it they’d do something stupid like trade Edwin.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

one other thing - being a touch above average is exactly what Phillips is then.

He’s having no better of a career than Jason Bay is. Our players are not as good as we “hope” they are. I’m thinking sell high tonight.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the Bay/Phillips comparison is accurate

and i wouldnt be against trading him either. i think he could bring in the best haul of any player we have, aside from Votto of course. but that is because he’s a good young player signed to a reasonable deal, which is also a good reason to keep him.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the difference is

we have a fair number of guys who could breakout into All-Star echelon players very soon. or they could flame out, but the potential is definitely there. that is a whole lot more than the Pirates can say.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heer Heer

I’m sick of ‘nearly there, gonna break out soon guys’

that’s why I like Josh Hamilton and Dunn…
I know all the reason why they’re not here…but those are the kind of players we need to get a coupl of. Only about 1 in 50 prospects (I would guess) make it all and of those few that do only a couple turn into Vottos or arroyos.

Get us some real players now.
I’m not very interested in seeing prospects play…been watching that all year;
Jannis
Hanigan
Bruce
Rosy
Dickerson
McFuffy
The list goes on…Hanigan looks decent and we can only hope that Bruce fulfills his destiny..
Rameriz
Maloney
Homer
Robert the guy who just got traded…
Same deal…

We need some functional MLB players to go with BP, Votto and……………………………….

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, they have talent

They are just too cheap to keep their talent. Pittsburgh fans are resigned to losing their young stars.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think that is the case

they dont have a huge payroll (~50 mil this season) but theyve spent their money so poorly and developed so stupidly that they havent really had the money to pay or the talent to keep. im really concerned about where Neil Huntington is taking that team. he could do it right and they could be scary.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

on that note, kind of contradicting what I've been bitching for the Reds to do,

do you think he’s gotten enough back? Seems like they’ve kind of settled for some older prospects or at least not top tier. Not that they had Halladay to deal or anything. But it’ll interest me to see them in September. Right now I really like McCutcheon. Fucker’s fast.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i dont think they really had anything major to deal

the Wilson/Snell deal i think they kinda got shorted on, but that’s because i still believe in Snell. it’s probably an acceptable return for an all glove-no hit SS and a clubhouse cancer pitcher who was just demoted. the Sanchez deal blew me the hell away though. Alderson is a legit top 50 prospect and Sanchez is an overpaid 2 month rental.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they have about as much talent as the Reds do

But they are cheap. I don’t mind subsidizing other teams via the “luxury tax,” but teams like Pittsburgh who don’t spend the money on the team pleck me off.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah me too

but i dont think their cheapness is their biggest obstacle to being competitive. it’s the complete lack of baseball savvy their FO exhibited over the past 10 years. Huntington looks to be changing that though.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

One way to look at it is..

the Pirates are Amtrak. Without subsidies they may not exist.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have I used it before?

Maybe once?

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I can remember it..

on the “front page” of RR (or maybe Redleg Nation?) back when I was first discovering that there were people on the internet wasting their time blogging about the Cincinnati Reds.

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

All forms of transportation are subsidized

None of them would exist without subsidies. Drivers don’t pay the full cost of roads. (Which is causing serious problems with state budgets in the current downturn.) Airports and air traffic control are mostly courtesy of the federal government. Never mind airlines, which would probably never be profitable without their long history of subsidies and bailouts.

Now, if you want to argue that Amtrak doesn’t use its subsidies wisely, that might be more analogous the Pirates’ situation.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

it’s just easier to bash Amtrak from out here in the midwest because we use cars and trucks and roads (and sometimes planes!) and that’s how we like it.

Regarding unwise use of government funding, the Columbus Metopolitan Libraries announced yesterday that all branches (aside form the main downtown branch) will be closed on Sundays starting this fall. I asked a librarian today why they wouldn’t close the branches on Tuesdays or Wednesdays when for the most part only senior citizens and stay-at-home dads use the libraries. On Sundays, everyone can use the libraries, right? He said yes, but that wouldn’t really solve any budgetary problems because CML pays its employees double-time to work on Sundays.

Wha?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds are 19th in payroll, which means they're in no man's land.

New York Yankees $201,449,189
New York Mets $149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $113,709,00
Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,046
Houston Astros $102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $100,414,592
Seattle Mariners $98,904,166
Atlanta Braves $96,726,166
Chicago White Sox $96,068,500
San Francisco Giants $82,616,450
Cleveland Indians $81,579,166
Toronto Blue Jays $80,538,300
Milwaukee Brewers $80,182,502
St. Louis Cardinals $77,605,109
Colorado Rockies $75,201,000
Cincinnati Reds $73,558,500

Most of the contenders are listed above the Reds. If Walt had 10 million more to spend it would put the them ahead of other teams in our 2nd tier pack of teams. He’d need 20 million more to start spending like a grown frickin man. Prolly can’t happen. So, the Reds are 10 million away from contending? 1 Jermaine Dye, please? Or they could tumble off 30 mill and be the Pirates in word and deed, not just on the field performance. Either way, they totally suck.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

questions

who is the SS, CF and LF of the future?

is Hanrigan the answer behind the dish? is he durable enough?

how confident are y’all with the starting pitching? has Homer arrived? is Cueto fragile? will Harang bounce back?

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

that's a lot of questions

what are you a professional questioner?

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't bet the farm on Hanigan, Cueto, or Homer. Although,

Honestly, I almost like Homer’s chance the best. Don’t think Cueto will hold up for some reason. His back worries me. Homer may not last either he torques it so hard from what I see.
Cozart is encouraging and you have to see what he can offer at SS. Valaika’s gotten many reps in AAA, perhaps he gets first crack at it. But will they stick? You can’t count on Dusty playing a guy unless he’s BA’s Player of the Year.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of the reason Cueto has been struggling is probably fatigue

the guy pitched winter ball and in the WBC. He needs to take this winter off.

"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford

by chazzilla on Jul 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope they shut him down soon

like in the next few weeks. the kid is just plum tuckered out.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no on hanigan

again

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh thank you God....

via mlbtraderumors: "4:13pm: ESPN’s Peter Gammons says the Reds “backed off a potential deal” for Rolen. The Reds are actually hoping to move some contracts, and will listen on Bronson Arroyo, David Weathers, Aaron Harang, and Arthur Rhodes. Plus there’s the issue of the Jays not wanting to trade Rolen if they keep Halladay."
That was legitimately worrying me

"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford

by chazzilla on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

When will the suspense end?

Not on Friday cause then it will be time to play the waivers game
Ownership really has to do something. Something substantial, all the Dunn haters at work are suddenly becoming strangely enamoured of ol’ donkey…why the fuck did they trade Dunn, I mean blah blah blah…

Now that Bruce is out these same idiots that were calling him the new ‘Dunn’ are all saying ‘We gotta get Jay Bruce back in the line up’

The average moron fan ( I probably come the closest of any RR to being one) only wants a winner.
Nobody cares how the hell you get there – just get there.
Make the trades, spend the money get the MLB level talent and fucking win.
Then you can fill your stadium Bob.

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George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope their soaking in this sucktitude of the 2009 products and not focusing on injuries.

I hope that’s the shit they’re feeding fans, because you know it’s BS.
A flailing Bruce (who would’ve saved some runs in RF over Gomes already I’ll admit)
A flailing Agon (who IS better in the field than Janish)
A flailing Taveras (who sucks and keeps sucking worse)
Would not be helping this team in the immediate sense. Perhaps Volquez is the biggest injury bitch, but it wouldn’t matter much if your #1 and #2 SP’s were earning their keep.

It’s just a bad roster. I hope they really, really, really know this. I’m growing convinced we need 10 million more bucks to do business. To ensure 2010 beyond all these iffy players.

by mdccclxix on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I like controversy...

I want the Reds to get Scott Rolen. And I want them to trade EdE. It has nothing to do with stats, sabermetrics, or any of that.

No, the reason I want Scott Rolen on our roster is because we need someone, anyone, who can be a leader. Someone who has a had a taste of winning, and who can help this team to play. I don’t know if Scott Rolen can do that, but he’s got as much of a chance as anyone.

I don’t believe EdE is going to be the 3B he’s been projected to be, at least not in the Reds organization. I think he’d be better off someplace else, and I honestly think we’re better off without him. Rolen isn’t the long term answer at 3B, but he can provide some leadership while we work on finding that long-term answer.

Commence the bashing.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

you're idea is retarded

but you aren’t (‘cause that’s not allowed) :-)

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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think EE is meant to be a third baseman

I wish they’d try him in the outfield.

I don’t want Rolen. He’s too old. Ricciardi wants to get rid of him because he doesn’t think players will play past their mid-30s now that PEDs are being tested for, and I fear he’s right.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good players will just find better less detectable stuff

and stay a step ahead of the testers. And remember, they still don’t test for HGH….

"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.

by cesarhernandez on Jul 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's possible to cheat

Especially during the off-season.

But I don’t think it will help during the grueling regular season, and I don’t think they’ll find less detectable stuff.

HGH is not legal, but it’s also not clear that it helps. At least, not the way you’d think. There have been some reports that it improves your vision, which could certainly help a batter.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be OK with EE in the OF

I think Rolen is a productive player though, and will not slow up that much in one year. His OPS is .846 at 34, and that’s the highest it’s been in the last 3 years. It’s better than EE’s .793.

I also think that an outfield of EE-Dickerson-Bruce has the potential for a lot of greatness or a lot of suckitude.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen is a leader?

This is the first time I’ve heard this postulated. I usually think of him as the prima donna who bitched and moaned his way out of two cities (although he is* undeniably talented).

*was?

by Red Menace on Jul 31, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

not getting along with LaRussa

isn’t synonymous with what you said. In my book that’s a plus on his side.

by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

but is there any guarantee that he'll get along with Dusty?

I think that’s the point.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 31, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

no idea

and I don’t really see the point of the trade, but “prima donna” and bitch and moan may or may not be true. I don’t know his whole history all that well, but lots of players don’t get along with Tony.

by ol Pete on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dewayne Wise

just hit a walkoff single to defeat the Yankees.

Heartbreaking. Swisher hit a home run in the top of the ninth to tie the game, but they lost anyway. Thanks to Dewayne Wise…

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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Almost as heartbreaking as the "beer summit"

Two lite beers, a non-alcoholic and a Blue Moon.

BO-RING! BO-RING!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon Beckham

looked like a total stud tonight. And he’s rumored to be on the trading block.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what the YES announcers said

Who knows, maybe they’re full of it.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

just saw that on BBT

and I wa sthnking, after Swisher’s HR, that CHW fans would be so angry. Then I saw Wise’s hit and thought about how angry the Yankees must be. It looked like a bummer

by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was actually a pretty exciting game

Yanks made some embarrassing errors. The mood wasn’t so much angry as shocked. It all happened so fast.

The end was a kick in the teeth for Yankees fans, but I have to say, I was kind of happy for Dewayne Wise. I liked him when he was a Red.

That’s one of the things I love about baseball. Sometimes, it’s the .190 hitter who wins the game.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 31, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

it is one of the great things about it

that reminds me, if (in another dimension) the Reds came up against the Yankees in the WS what would you do!?

by Red_Poodle on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just read the Enquirer's article about the last game

and it’s just all so depressing…not only is this season just a complete bust, it feels like there is no plan, no idea, no spark, no anything. I could be massively proven wrong tomorrow or in the off-season but right now it just all seems to hopeless (especially compared to with the beginning of July)

"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford

by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

but I still love Rosales

“It’s definitely a grind,” Rosales said. “You’ve got to be able to show up every day. The key here is to stay together as a team. At the beginning of the season, the hitters were picking up the pitchers and the pitchers were picking up the hitters. That’s how it works. In order to be successful, that’s how it has to happen. We still have two months left. That’s a lot of games — a lot of opportunities to make strides.” (via ESPN)

"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." --Tommy Lasorda(on catcher Mide Scioscia)

by chazzilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'VE GOT BUTTER ON MY FACE!!!!

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by jch24 on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

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