Thursday Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 10:04 AM EDT
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We've got an early game today, so I'm going to go ahead and throw up a quick trade thread, though if something goes down with the Reds I'm sure it'll get mentioned everywhere.
The biggest rumor so far today is that the Yankees are looking at Corey Patterson. Yeah.
Post any new rumors or talk about whatever. Game thread will go up 30 minutes before game time.
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Elliott adds that the Reds “met last night to decide to come up with a package to land third baseman Scott Rolen.”
I think this makes me sad.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what does it even mean?
Did they meet to decide they were going to meet again to decide who do trade, or did they meet and decide who they were going to trade for Rolen?
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the latter
Either way, I think it’s moot at this point. We’ll probably land Rolen and lose someone that could actually help us next year.
I’d much rather see a rumor of a new coaching staff coming in.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when we were going to get Scott Rolen and then didn't and then St. Louis got him and won a World Series?
WHY NOW FOR FUCK’S SAKE?!
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I thought that title was directly attributed to David Eckstein.
He must be winning somewhere! Let’s get him!
…what’s that? He plays for the Padres? Oh.
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by Ash on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the point?
It’s not worth the money.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why they aren't going after Scutaro
as long as they’re intent on getting a veteran player who can contribute right away. Maybe the Twins have the edge of him, but my guess is that they haven’t even considered it.
They’re pursuing him because of that .320 batting average aren’t they?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why else?
I mean his defensive is impressive, but we see how well this speed, pitching, and defense thing has gone.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's a free agent.....or there's an option
Certainly, he’s never hit .320 before and he’s 32
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad idea jeans
Reason we should not pursue: He’s not that great.
Reason the Reds aren’t in pursuit: He’s not Walt or Dusty’s lovechild.
by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Patterson?
Nooooooooo. Bring back Bubba Crosby. Heck, bring back Kevin Thompson or Bronson Sardinha. But no on C-Pat!
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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that anyone really cares
but if they go and get Rolen and do nothing else, I’ll quit all of this fanboy shit for the season. No money to the ballpark, no merch, nothing. I’ve had it with these stupid assholes.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they get Rolen, I don't think it'll be their only move
Solely because they can’t afford it. With the money they’re taking on, either Harang or Arroyo has to go too, right?
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by BK on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope so
but I just don’t see the interest out there for either guy with so many others out there dangling. They simply cannot be stupid enough to think that winning this season is in the cards.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both those guys would be gone right away
There really isn’t much on the trade market for starters and the prices are high. The question is always price.
by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah to get Rolen
you have to trade one of Arroyo, Harang, or Cordero to someone. Otherwise those 4 would represent something like 65 % of the teams total payroll.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean I'll never see you again...
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
you haven’t seen me yet.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm with you...
i’ll probably watch on TV and listen to WLW, but i won’t be going to any more games. i’ll just save my money for football season and concerts.
i have a feeling we’re going to give up Alonso or Francisco for Rolen. somebody worth a damn. at which point i’ll facepalm except palm = brick wall.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid of that too
At this point, I’ll be surprised if we DON’T land Rolen. I’ll be even more surprised if someone actually takes Arroyo or Harangatang.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'll add this for the millionth time
but Alonso was drafted and signed to be traded. Votto is the first baseman for the Reds and should be here for awhile. Alonso is DePorta from last year. It’s the right thing to do. You draft the best players and then flip them later to cover organizational weaknesses.
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B is most definitely not an organizational weakness
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Damn skippy it ain't, but I was speaking generally, not Roeln specific
I remain against that trade
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess EdE is going the way of Dunn
“Much maligned and undervalued player gets run out of town” Both were the top 2 in HRs for the Reds next year and Rolen is not going to hit for a ton of power next year.
This move is a net loss. Even if they were going to trade Harang or Arroyo, they’re going to have to ask for salary relief , which means the return in prospects is going to be meager.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
Thanks to our dedicated, hot-stove obsessed readers, MLBTR set a personal traffic record yesterday with over 1.3 million pageviews.
that’s a lot…
by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't "hot stove" allude to the doings of a baseball team in the dead of winter?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno if you guys have already read this:
Harang hopes the Reds don’t rip up the roster because, “We’re not out of it. We can make up two or three games in three days. We lost six in a row on the road and lost only two games. And we have enough games against teams in our division that we can shift things around in one weekend.”
Of possible trades, manager Dusty Baker said, “We’ve been inquiring and search, but everybody wants our top, top guys. I’d hate to be in the AL East because both Boston and New York load up on you late.”
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised Dusty.
Usually teams only want your shitty players. Like we did with Taveras, I suppose.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, I guess they think we're suckers.
We’ll trade Heisey and Stubbs and Yorman for Rolen!
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
you are 10 under and playing worse than any other team…fuck the top guys too.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw that we are nine out
These guys are giving up and getting owned by teh Padres. Do they have any personal pride left? That quote is silly, it would take alot more than a wekeend to turn this around.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Stupid.
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Harang should be the first to go
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love the optimism and positivity...
… but there’s no fucking way he actually believes that. still, good media move.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You know in the back of his head he thinking that his run support has got to be better on just about any other team than it has the last two years with the Reds.
Honestly, what loyalty should Harang have toward the Reds?
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by jmgard6 on Jul 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, call me old-fashioned but..
..they have allocated millions of dollars for Aaron and his family.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's done a lot of charitable work around Cincinnati
I think he’s committed to the team. If his teammates would start to score, that would do wonders for everybody. Winning cures all.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is Dusty we are talking about
By top,top guys he probably means T-Virus, A-Gon, and Cherry.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have little problem with Rolen
He’s short term and if we get him we also get a true Veteran WS guy. It won’t hurt to have a guy like that in the clubhouse to offer some leadership.
EdE is what he is – a sometimes power hitter and sometimes decent defender…I hope that Todd Frazier keeps developing because we him for 2010.
Wow didn’t think that the springfield News-Sun would still be around..there are only about 1250 literate people in Springfield and that’s including the kids at Wittenberg.
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wishful Thinking...
The Yankees are looking at Patterson…perhaps they’d be interested in Taveras! He’s fast!
Phone's ringing, Dude.
by rjdio on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard we already traded him to Yanks
we received… uhh… whoever happens to be good for them.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pissed off today.
It’s gone from slow boil to kettle whistle. I think I’ll go to my last game of the season today. Walk over with the kiddies in the stroller just to yell at Dusty and up at the mgmt boxes. There will be a lot of “I know we’re not supposed to say those words, but Pops is fucking pissed. Earmuffs, little men. I’m finna tear into their asses.” I need the catharsis.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'll probably be on TV when they escort you out of the stadium.
And then in the newspaper when Dusty steps down and Castellini sells the team to Ahmad Oil Mohammed.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would not be my first dismissal from GABP
but it would be my first with my kids in tow.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it would be the best.
Because you’d change the direction of Reds history!
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more pissed today than I was last night
and I’m not sure why. There hasn’t been a single thing that has been done or said in the last 12 hours to change that, except that I had to wake up to another day of following this crappy team.
I kind of want to the Pirates to pass the Reds if only because it might drive home the point that this team isn’t right on the edge of being in it.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is 9.5 games and falling on the verge of being in it anyway?
How fucking stupid is our management?
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be more pissed as a pirates fan
starting with Bay last year, they have dismantled their entire team.
by GrooveLeg on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least they don't have the ridiculous delusion that they're still in the race
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by BK on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
feminine hygiene products indeed
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche bag
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
They knew from the getgo that they sucked.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
after 17 straight years of losing, I don’t think having a mantled team was helping them. They had to do something dramatic.
Neal Hunington is taking a gigantic risk doing what he’s doing, but it could end up being a brilliant move if he makes smart decisions on the free agent market. They have a ton of room to sign free agents now and a few decent prospects coming up. The key is avoiding any crappy contracts to bad players.
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by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I like the Pirates moves
I think they’re going in (ultimately) a positive direction. I am not going to be surprised one bit if they finish this season with a better record than us, and I think by 2011 they’ll be ahead of us and Houston in the division.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm never betting against Houston again
those guys are first class witches. They’ve got some real voodoo shit going on there.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't get it either
But the piper’s gotta get paid some time, right?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you
At least there seems to be some shred of awareness on that club. I feel like I want to wake up tomorrow morning, find they’ve finally thrown the towel, fired the entire coaching staff (maybe even bringing Mack back), traded everyone over the age of 25 and loaded up the farm system.
by RedStalk on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a rational decision. If your team cannot compete, why mess with the edges
the core of their team was entering arbitration as below aver to above guys who were about to make a ton of money. Why no deal them and start over. As long as you avoid trading the young pitching (ooops, bye bye, Ian), then you can build a team from the prospects.
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snell was a different beast
he was clearly disgruntled and wanted out.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slyde, why didn't he want to be a Red?
I WANTED him to be a Red
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But their team was shitty
So dismantling only improved them. I cannot for the life if me understand that town’s love affair with Jack Wilson. Ridiculous.
by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not pissed
i’m indifferent, as i’ve been all season
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
running this site makes it hard to be indifferent.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but contributing to this site
There’s the ticket!
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you aren't pissed about the reds
you’re pissed you have to do stuff involving the reds
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
though I am pissed about the Reds. I mean, I like talking about them, but I hate the shitty stuff that they do.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel exactly the same way
I know I shouldn’t be so upset over a game, but c’mon this is ridiculous.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanigan out again today
Theyre not doing to DL him are they? I know they’re up against it with three catchers going down, but have some pride yeah? Paul Janish would really become the poster boy for this surreal season if he had to spell Tatum. The fact that you can’t PH for him his bad enough.
I guess Dusty is sticking to the tried and true “Always have at least two guys who will not get on base in your lineup.” He likes “negative space.” He’s a very aesthetically-driven manager.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God, could you imagine being Joey Votto?
He must be real frustrated.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he and Harang don't have a "punching wall" somewhere in the clubhouse
I will be shocked.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it's whatever wall Dusty is standing in front of.
Seriously, somebody go Shea Hillenbrand on his ass.
by Geki on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im interestred
to see who gets Victor Martinez. V-Mart shouldn’t catch more than 3 or 4 days a week, probably is ideal in the AL so he can DH some, and he can play a decent 1B.
This is way outside the box, but I think he would be a great guy to go with Hanigan next year, at 7.5 Mil. Move Votto to LF, sign a veteran 1B on a 1 year deal and go with this:
Taveras/Stubbs CF
Phillips 2B
Votto LF
Martinez C
Encarnacion or Rolen(haha) 3B
Bruce
1st Baseman
SS
Pitcher
Hanigan can start 3-4 games a week, then V-Mart plays 1st. Get it done, Walt.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as you're fantasizing
Why keep Taveras in there? Just to “keep you in the game?”
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
cause if we make all those other moves, no way Walt eats Willy T. Plus for some reason, Im not sold on Stubbs yet. I hope he gets a chance to prove me wrong.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a guy named Jocketty in the Reds front office who isn't either
you guys should together and have a beer. Treat him George Costanza treated Steinbrenner during his job interview.
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so in this fantasy world
Taveras doesn’t completely suck? Cuz even if you’re not sold on Stubbs, I can’t abide a lineup that bats Willy first next year.
Seems more worthwhile and cost-effective to add by subtraction in CF, let Hanigan play and spend that V.Mart – and Rolen money – where it would make the most impact.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasizing also involves Stubbs as more than a back up OF at the MLB level
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a more positive note
I thoroughly enjoyed the post—game show. Well done, gents. Fun having the proverbial veil lifted on the mods.
Question for thevole: Do you ever call in to The Best Show on WFMU?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did! Once!
And I was so tanked I slipped up and used a bit of toilet talk and got dumped. That was several years ago and I haven’t called since.
by thevole on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forget where I read this
But, there was some quote from an NL unnamed front office guy where he said: the reds are offering everybody, but honestly we wouldn’t want their players or their contracts.
Ouch, we can’t even have a decent fire sale
by timb116 on Jul 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that quote seems like the truth
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading that too
Makes you sad doesn’t it?
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be the case
I think you have to take whatever salary relief you can get on Arroyo and shop the bullpen arms.
At this point, it almost sucks NOT being the Pirates. They had some attractive players at good prices. They’ve made mostly good deals in the last two seasons. I don’t see how their pitching isn’t going to by great by 2011.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what you're saying is
That this season isn’t just a train-wreck, but a train wreck carrying nuclear waste and noxious chemicals that not even a haz-mat team wants to deal with.
by RedsMasochist on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It feels like i'm in a draft day war room here
the phones are ringing off the hook because of this cash for clunkers deal
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What'll you give me of an '09 Willy Taveras?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to trade in the clunker
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought you meant "off" not "of"
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CLUNKERTALKFAIL
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you a '79 Pinto
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by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've stopped taking the deals
The boss and I were worked for 5 hours yesterday trying to submit our first deal – computer problems, lack of instructions, incomplete paperwork. While the next deal won’t take as long to submit, he’s a little (OK, very) nervous because of the tens of thousands of dollars foating around out there. Hence, he’s said “No more”.
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of people are doing that around here
we’ve done 15 in the last 2 days
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a pile of grade A crap
Rumor has it that the local Toyota dealership won’t let you take your new car home until the feds approve the deal; a dealer in Toledo is making customers sign that if the feds turn down the deal, the customer has to come back and negotiate a trade value – but can’t return the new vehicle.
I’m confident we did everything right, and that the other deals will also be OK, but it’s not my money.
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking of looking into that deal
im gonna need a new car sometime in the next few years and i figured this kinda deal would be a good idea. but you are saying it’s not so easy as it sounds?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reasonably easy here. The website and rules and regulations
are unnecessarily confusing.
We are selling new cars for as low as 4995 with a qualifying clunker. It has caused hysteria.
your car has to be built after 1984 and get 18 mpg or less to even think about qualifying
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
i was thinking of trading my Saturn to my brother for his old Ford pickup, but it’s a ’78.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would qualify
1994 Camry 187,652 miles on it
16 miles to the Gallon
whre do I sign up…
Oh wait I just saw on Yahoo that the Gov’t is scrapping the whole thing…
damn
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not from our end
We have to document (1) you owned, registered and insured it for the past year (you also sign a statement that you drove it to us – no tow ins), (2) we “disabled” (destroyed) the engine, and (3) it went to a junk yard. That’s all pretty simple stuff.
The website itself isa mess. We have to scan and submit 21 pages of documents (one at a time, each file having a particular filename) in a particular order; we have to enter the exact vehicle you’re trading and the exact vehicle you’re buying, but the way the search function works is neither usual nor explained; and then after we submit it, we wait (no one knows how long) for either an OK or something that say’s we’ve messed up. Oh, and for bonus points, our anti-spam filter doesn’t like the address from the government.
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
who would have thought a government program could be so convoluted?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In their defense
Part of it is not their fault. Car dealers will try to buck the system, as well as consumers. They’re doing everything they can to try to keep the system honest. Also, there are 20,000 dealers trying to input information (we sent 20 MB of data on our one deal) all at once, so the system should be expected to be slow.
There should be better instructions on the website, though.
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but are you letting the customer know they are also entitled to the scrap value of the vehicle?
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who qualifies? Who doesn't qualify?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically
car or truck built 1984 or after that gets 18 MPG or less.
Car traded for vehicle with 4 mpg improvement = 3,500
Car traded for vehicle with 10 Mpg improvement = 4,500
truck traded for vehicle with 2 mpg improvement = 3,500
truck traded for vehicle with 4 mpg improvement = 4,500
new vehicle can not have a higher gvwr than “clunker”
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also,
the car has to be “driven” to the dealership
the engine has to be killed
usable parts are sold off by scrap yard
rest of vehicle is crushed
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But no one is disqualified for being above a certain income bracket?
And what’s “gvwr”?
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gross vehicle weight rating
income bracket doesn’t matter
but the base MSRP of the new vehicle can be no higher than 45,000
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as little as 5Gs for a new car though
that makes me wish i’d been driving a piece of shit for the last few years.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know
i wish i could take advantage of it, but i don’t have a qualifying vehicle
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just gave away a '94 Infiniti Q45 (w/a V8)
to a family that needed a car. I don’t regret it but if I understand you correctly I could have traded it and ~$4K for a new car?
And just out of curiosity.. how long is this program/promotion supposed to last?
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
until nov 1
or the 1,000,000,000 dollars in funds runs out…
the government website claims they’ve already dished 150,000,000 in cash for clunkers rebates
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now they say 220,000,000 has been claimed
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have any mini-vans or small SUVs that get better mileage than an Accord
no? okay.
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by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
accords don't qualify
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit
I hate our government
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the commie driving a japanese vehicle
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
I drive a Honda.
Of course, most people think I’m a commie, so…
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i drive a nissan
and my wife drives a toyota
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
I drive 2 japanese vehicles. And my wife works for the government, so your tax dollars are helping me pay for those vehicles.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're car woulda qualified
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh!
Like i said, I don’t regret it but God sure owes me one.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
youre worried about being in too high a tax bracket to qualify and you think God owes you?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, God didn't make all that money!
(My wife did.)
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yer livin' the dream Al
/salute
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you couldn't
It wouldn’t be a “car”, it would be an Aveo.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
The Kia dealer in Toledo has you beat – they’ll sell you a new car for $3500.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
if you wanna go to toledo
and you wanna support the koreans
*pay no mind ot the fact that the aveo has been built in korea
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and apparently the clunker program is now over
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its going to end real fast...
Like most gov’t run deals this one is already a mess
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're still running ads nonstop around here
Even though the program has been suspended by the feds.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just beat me to it
unbelievable
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was announced on CNN over an hour ago
They managed to make room for it between their coverage of Erin Andrews’ 911 call and Michael Jackson’s custody case.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is gonna create a buttload of work for me tomorrow :-(
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clunk in your trunk?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
program ends at midnight
Bet a lot of people are rushing to buy their cars tonight.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the business it generated has been incredible
the angry shitstorm canceling it is going to create will be catastrophic
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i liked it better when i got 1500 for no reason
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV ain't so fast at the changing advertising, especially bulk
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s gonna cost us upwards of 100,000 in advertising
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can see the commercial that is running all weekend
it’s on the front page.
you can also see the clunker undoing i’ll have to do
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking government!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy guacamole
That’s a lot of clams.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Item!
Some “well-placed people” are whispering that the Cincinnatus Reds are offering all the members of their squad for transfer. But GM Dusty Baker says that their still in the hunt for the ML Central; C’mon, fellas, roll up your sleeves and get to work!!
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man Mountain Typo!
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should e-mail me back
if you still want a job.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if someone else wants a job?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could come up with hypotheticals all day...
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's a full time gig then?
by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What if I, Mads wanted a job?
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
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by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sent you an email last friday. did you not get it?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 30, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd do well to follow the examples of
young upstart Pete Rosales – hustler and all-around good American – and Alex “Roddy” Rodriguez – who recently overcame adversity to rejoin the team. The thin-bearded short stop was one of the few crafty enough to reach base against that inimitable Kansas City Chiefs pitching corps.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McConnel on WLW
Talking about how exciting the hit was last night. He sounded very enthusiastic.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Little know fact:
McConnel is a dickhead in real life also.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 30, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw the lineup.
It’s really quite amazing that we can take Taveras out of the lineup and yet not improve it.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's also pretty stupid
to have Rosales and Sutton up. I know Sutton gets the boot for Lehr (probably), but having JHJ as your fourth outfielder is no kind of solution.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder if Balentin
is available?
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is apparently
But hasn’t hit in over a week says teh Fay
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's playing in a simulated game with Volquez
I guess it’s excited that we’ll be getting some new (and old) blood in. But for this game Drew Sutton, Paul Somethingorother and Adam Rosales are our bench bats, back up up OFs and back up catcher.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is nice
Ryan Hanigan is better. “He was better before and then had a setback,” Baker said. “We’ll until tomorrow.”
I love it when players that can actually hit are better, but they don’t get to start. Yet Gonzo…..
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also in that Fay post
he makes the arrival of Scott Rolen seem pretty well-assured
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Fay
The Reds have had interest all along in Scott Rolen. I would not be surprised if it happened. If it does, it says that the Reds see a void in leadership. The move would be for next year as much as it was for this year.
Edwin Encarnacion would have to be in the deal. He makes $4.75 million next year. To get the Jays to take that salary, the Reds would probably have to add a prospect.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blech.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leadership?
WTF?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we tell them Willy is a prospect?
or maybe Bronson?
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond belief
As moronic as the Reds are, Fay puts them to shame.
by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There are prospects and then there are prospects
I’d give up most prospects like Sutton, Stubbs, Rameriz, Yonder etc etc etc
But not Frazier or El ninno Destructor – they are two guys who appear to have a chance to make it to MLB level and be productive.
Propects are overated.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan, want to get some more Hard Times Chili before I leave DC?
I’m leaving next Sat at fucking 6:00 AM from Reagan.. that’s going to be fun.
I’ll even bring you a can or two of Skyline. This might be a double post. I can’t tell.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, sounds good
Although I would suggest hitting up Ben’s Chili Bowl if you haven’t been there yet.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh. Yeah, duh.
Is that convenient for you at all? If not, I’m sure I can find other people to go with
Maybe we can insult the Hard Times chefs by asking that they microwave some pasta with our canned Skyline on it…
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Ben's Chili Bowl is definitely convenient
Are you leaving the 1st or the 8th?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaving on the 8th
Mostly because I don’t have a place to live that week. Also because I’m ready to go home because I’m bored of this job.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout hitting up the Chili Bowl tomorrow night then?
Afterwards, U St. and Adams Morgan lie at your feet.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohh. Tomorrow is Friday.
I’ll see if my buddy wants to join me, then. Been a weird week for me… sprained my ankle hiking @ Great Falls or something like that in Virginia, crawled and limped my way out, didn’t go to work till Wednesday. So I’m all screwed up.
That sounds fine. It’s at U St. on the Redline or something like that right?
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green and Yellow Lines
U St./Cardozo/African-American Civil War Memorial stop. 13th & U.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hrmm. There's no easy way for me to get there. Maybe I'll just cab it.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just take the Orange or Blue line to L'Enfant Plaza, then change to the Green or Yellow
by Brendanukkah on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will you two get a room already?
by Brian B on Jul 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They would, but jsl can't figure out how to get there.
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by andromache on Jul 31, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan, want to get some more Hard Times Chili before I leave DC?
I’m leaving next Sat at fucking 6:00 AM from Reagan.. that’s going to be fun.
I’ll even bring you a can or two of Skyline.
by jsl413 on Jul 30, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the love of all that is Holy
12:20pm: Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal says the Reds and Jays are talking about a Rolen-Yonder Alonso swap. Say what? Alonso, who signed on August 15th of last year, would have to be a player to be named later in the unlikely event he’s dealt.
If they Reds trade Alonso for Rolen…….Holy Jesus………
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by btcoop71 on Jul 30, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait. Where did this come from?
Who’s saying “Say what?” and who’s saying that this is an “unlikely event”?
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to piss on everyone's parade
This “Scott Rolen” guy that everyone is so excited about has a full no trade clause (Cot’s, while a great site, has a crappy search feature; you need to scroll down), which means either (a) he’s not coming, or (b) the Reds are going to have to give him a bunch more money than he’s already owed to come.
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by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't you think that Rolen has already been asked
since they’ve been talking about it for so long?
And I don’t know a single person that is excited by acquiring Rolen.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could probably think of one or timb
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take him
He’s old but could provide some stability, leadership and he can still hit.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
he waived the NTC to get out of St Louis. he and Walt are supposed to be pretty close. i doubt it’s a huge obstacle.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but
He wanted out of St. Louis pretty badly. He hates LaRussa, for good reason.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but he likes Walt. probably because of his wit and charm and rugged good looks.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but larussa is going to be here next season!
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by 'tHan on Jul 30, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Why? Why in the world would any player with half a brain want to join this team if they have a choice? And no – I don’t assume the Reds know what it would take to get Rolen’s OK. The half-assed moves they’ve made over the past couple of years prove to me that Jockety and Baker don’t think things all the way through before they act.
And I was trying to be funny, but as Sarah Palin proved to David Letterman, the joke isn’t funny if you have to explain it.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Letterman offer that up during his apology but I don't buy it.
Most of the time if a joke’s not funny it probably wasn’t meant for you.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course..
Letterman’s told a few more jokes than I have so maybe he knows why the chicken crossed the road.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...to get a sandwich at the Hello Deli
hee hee!!
/adjusts tie
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey...uh...
can you sell me a hot dog?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The lotto machine is broken."
(This may go back his NBC days.)
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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