Dusty Baker has no idea what the hell he's doing, the bullpen loses this one 7-4
by BK on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT
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Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
The obvious choice here would be Albert Pujols, but you know what, I'm going to say it's Homer Bailey. Homer went 7 1/3 innings, and left the game with a goose egg on the board before the manager decided he didn't deserve to win. His line showed 2 runs, 2 walks, and 5 strikeouts, but it doesn't do his performance justice. After putting two on base to start the game, he put down 13 Cards in a row before hitting Joe Thurston by a pitch, and retired the next 7 before giving up a double to Yadier Molina. He had all three pitches working well, with his fastball getting up to 95 consistently and his new splitter working as advertised. He deserved this one.
Key Plays
- After letting the first two runners on, Homer struck out Albert Pujols to start a string of 21 batters without giving up a hit.
- In the bottom of the inning, the Reds struck quickly with Chris Dickerson leading off with a double and an error on a Willy Taveras bunt driving him in to take an early lead.
- With Homer rolling in the 6th inning, doubles by Brandon Phillips and Jerry Hairston, Jr, gave the Reds a 3-0 lead. That should have been enough.
- After Homer had two runners on with one out in the 8th, Dusty brought Arthur Rhodes in to pitch, and he walked the bases loaded.
- The next move is completely inexplicable to me. Despite being 9-for-18 against Pujols with 2 home runs given up, Dusty brought David Weathers in to face him. As one could have predicted, Pujols hit a 2-2 pitch over the fence for a grand slam and a 4-3 lead for the Cardinals.
- In the bottom of the inning, a little small ball helped the Reds tie the game, with Ramon Hernandez hitting a sac fly to drive in the tying run.
- In the 9th, Nick Masset got the first out before taking a liner off his pitching arm to get taken out of the game. Daniel Ray Herrera then gave up the leading run after the slick-fielding Paul Janish makes an error that could have got them out of the inning. Carlos Fisher was the next pitcher brought in to face Pujols, who doubled to make it 7-4. Meanwhile, the Reds' best reliever, Coco Cordero, got to the final boss playing Guitar Hero on his Nintendo DS.
- In the bottom of the inning, Edwin Encarnacion, who wasn't starting the game because he wasn't ready to play in the majors yet, hit a double to start a rally. With two outs, Willy Taveras hit for himself while the Reds' two best pinch hitters, Micah Owings and Jonny Gomes, played Go Fish on the bench. Despite Dusty's best efforts to lose right there, Willy inexplicably drew his first walk since May 23rd and brought the tying run to the plate.
- Joey Votto walked, and Brandon Phillips struck out with a swing that blew out some poor kid's sparkler out in West Virginia. Game over.
Other Notes
- It's a really tough night when one of the team's best strengths throughout the season ends up beating them. Nobody in the bullpen had a good night.
- I'm still wondering what Dusty's thought process was bringing in David Weathers to face Pujols in the 8th. if anyone can explain this, I'd love to hear it. 9-for-18 with 2 HR is not a recipe for success, no matter how good Weathers has pitched this season
- There's still the argument that they should have intentionally walked Pujols to avoid pitching to him, but hindsight is 20/20. I think it would have been a risky move, and there's no telling what Ludwick does after him.
- This is arguably one of the biggest "stomach punch" games for the Reds so far this season. They were rolling until Dusty made some questionable moves, and it's hard to argue that using the roster efficiently doesn't give the Reds a better chance to win tonight.
- I would imagine fan confidence would be at a season-long low at this point. Friday night, sold out crowd, against a division rival, and they blew it. In the long run, it's only one game, but the effect of this one will be felt much harder than the increase in the "L" column alone.
- The Cardinals are one of the few teams in baseball with one player that can singlehandedly beat you on any given night. A good manager doesn't let that guy drive in 5 runs in the final two innings of a game where they've only scored 4 runs. Period.
- Okay, enough ranting. Jerry Hairston, Jr. was 3-for-4, which is great to see. With his game, and Paul Janish probably earning himself another month in the doghouse, we're going to be seeing a lot more of Cherry.
- Brandon Phillips had two hits, as did Willy Taveras. Taveras got on base 3 out of the 5 times he was up, buying him another two months in CF batting leadoff.
- Who the hell wants to see fireworks after a loss like this?
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That graph really visualizes how much that game sucked
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, fangraphs, for that beautiful, mathematically accurate pictograph of my misery.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 3, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty Baker is a whack job...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Jul 3, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to say
that Pujols said some halfway decent stuff abotu Homer:
Easy to say stuff like that AFTER you win. I didn’t like the way he acted tonight (as I have already vented).
This game has really crushed my fan-ness, and my dog is sick. Just great. The bullpen lost this game, and they shoudl apologize to Homer Bailey.
I will convince myself that Owings, Votto and Taveras will all have multiple homer games tomorrow and Pujols will strike out looking at least twice and make five hideous errors.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 3, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't count that amount of times!!!!!
That Dummy Dusty Baker would bake up some hair brain idea for a game that would end up back firing on him from the start. God I wish we had any of our previous managers from the 2 years before Dusty came to town.
I’m sorry to say this but the Reds are not going to make it to the playoffs. You wanna know why !!!! Dusty Baker !!!! is a dipstick.
I didn’t mind too much DB taking Bailey out when he did.
This is what I wanna know why did Nick Masset who has done wonderful this year not get to pitch and don’t tell me the numbers game cause that is crap.
Fine Herrara comes in and it was bad luck on Herrara getting hit. The game is tied who cares bring Coco in. At least your giving it your best shot to end the rally. Coco has not been used that much lately let him pitch 1 and 1/3 or 1 and 2/3 innings its not going to kill him.
I turned the game on in the 6th and things were going well. Man I hate Baker.
I didn’t mind who he chose to continue after Homer
Supposedly Pujos was 2 for 4 against Rhodes and that is why he put Weathers in.. Ok Weathers has had a pretty decent season to date but his luck seems like it is running out.
Jason King
by JayTheRed on Jul 4, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Masset pitched to one batter
Jason King
by JayTheRed on Jul 4, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that was Dusty's reasoning behind taking out Rhodes, then he really has a screw loose.
2 for 4 (.500) is the same thing as 9 for 18 (.500), just not nearly as bad in terms of complete dominance.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Jul 4, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am filled with rage. I am going to the game tomorrow. If they lose
like this again, I’m leaving all my crap to you. Because there’s no way in hell the cops are taking me alive after the rampage I’ll go on.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of right now
there are 89 F-bombs in the game thread. That’s gotta be a record.
by Red Menace on Jul 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
90
Natch.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 4, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The collective number of f-bombs from around
the stadium, all of Cincinnati, RR, and Reds fans all over the country and world as a result of today’s game has to be enough to kill a fairy or a small child or something.
"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"
by Ash on Jul 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dropped way too many myself
And I’m strating to feel vageuly bad for the hideous things I said about Pujols, Weathers and Danny Herrera. I know those were unearned, but he needed to get an out! I was dissappointe din myself, though, that I couldn’t come up with an appropriate name for Janish when it counted.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm visiting friends in Columbus over the weekend
We went to Otie’s in Hilliard for beer and wings, and before I went out on the porch, I checked the score. 3-0 good guys! All right! We left about 20 minutes after that, and I checked the score again. 4-3. FML.
Oh, and very well done on the game recap, BK.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 4, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
a LOT of F-Bombs, including 50 from me. Personally, I would have used Masset vs. Pujols in the 8th. You needed a ground ball, and I think Massett’s sinker would of been more effective than Stormy.
Great game for Homer, he deserved a win, he pitched his ass off.
Terrible night for Janish, Rhodes, Herrera, and Weathers.
Another move I didn’t like, but I know why we did it, was the Bruce bunt in the 8th. Let you HR leader try and park one in the bleachers.
I really don’t think Janish belongs on a MLB roster. He is not in the majors on ANY team that wants to contend. If the Reds want to improve, they need to find a SS. I would not want to count on Gonzalez. A move needs to be made.
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by MixFMKyle on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about the decision in the 8th
That’s the thing that really pisses me off, that he used the worst possible person for the job. Masset has the best stuff in that pen other than Cordero, and Pujols has never seen him. I would have taken Coco’s 3-for-8 or Rhodes’ 2-for-5, and Herrera and Roenicke retired him the only time they faced him. Weathers is the only guy in the pen that’s allowed an average over .500, with over twice the sample size of anyone else, and the only one that’s given up one home run to him, let alone two. Same with walks.
But what does Dusty do? Puts Weathers in to face him the first time, and Fisher the second, despite not having the stuff Roenicke has.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 4, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that too
And I can’t blame Weathers. He doesn’t have the stuff to miss bats and that’s what you need there. I really felt like the result was inevitable when they brought in Weathers, showed Pujols’ numbers vs Weathers, Pujols’ numbers this year with the bases loaded, Pujols’ career numbers with the bases loaded…
by Red Menace on Jul 4, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully disagree with all the complaining
Dusty’s weird with line ups, but his bullpen management has been excellent. You guys should be blaming Weathers for not doing his damn job (since Pujols was 0 for his last 7 against Weathers) and stop blaming Dusty for sticking with his plan. All season with best bullpen ERA in the NL, bhe has gone starter+Rhodes+Weathers+Cordero = win. Why would he change and bring in Masset’s straight as an arrow fastball?
That game was lost by Rhodes, Weathers, and Herrera, not by Dusty, although why he ALWAYS plays for one run is baffling (bunting with Jay? Just a lack of confidence in the young ’un)
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure where you found your 0-for-7 stat
Weathers has gotten him out the other two times he’s faced him this year, but Pujols hit him in his PA before that.
2001: 0-0, BB
2002: 1-1, HR, BB
2003: 3-4
2004: 0-1, reached on E
2005: 1-4
2006: 2-3, including a walkoff HR
2007: 1-1
2008: 1-2
2009: 1-3, grand salami last night
Total: 10-19, 3 HR, 9 RBI
That’s pure and carnal ownage. A pitcher with that track record, and as RM said, a guy with not the best stuff in the bullpen is probably the last guy I want in the game.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 4, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weathers made one mistake
his first 4 pitches to Pujols were actually really good. He was riding the outside part of the plate, down and away where Al couldn’t do anything with it. Some of them went for strikes, some for balls. So be it. If you can get him to dribble one, great. If you end up walking him, fine.
It looked like the right strategy to me, and Weathers was executing, until he left one up where Pujols could destroy it.
by bbjones on Jul 4, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively
Janish is Major League quality, last night’s error notwithstanding. It’s unfortunate that his error happened when it did, but he’s still good enough defensively to play every day. Offensively is a whole other issue though. On a good team, Janish would be an acceptable backup shortstop. On the Reds, he’s just another sub-600 bat.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 4, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a tough error
but I think that, unfortunately, the way that ball is hit, it results in an error half of the time. It seemed to just take an odd hop. He may have been a bit too conservative in not throwing to first because of the men on base, but that wasn’t a horrible error otherwise.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 4, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cut him up like you cut up Rosales, folks
be consistent.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jul 4, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Not gonna trash a player over one error. That’s just silly.
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by BubbaFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he were Rosales-esque, you know couldn't hit OR field,
then I would. But, since Janish can generally catch a ball, I won’t go after him like I do other sub 600 OPS players
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give the new guys a chance too
If you want to see the real future of the team, put guys like Sutton into the pressure situations, he already proved once he can handle them. Gomes could have a real future on this team if he had a chance to put up some power numbers in Great American Small Park. Best of all, when Herrera came in tonight, why not take a chance with Josh Roenicke to see how he performs in a tight spot. His numbers (5.1 IP 0.00, 2 H, 2 BB, 4 K, .118 Opp Avg) should at least earn him a chance to get a look. Another reason Dusty has no business managing young talent
by fire2485 on Jul 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to stop ranting
But this game really kicked me in the gut. I was looking forward to see Homer succeed and he did with flying colors. Then the allegedly great bullpen blows it when it really mattered. And Janish—defensively so good thus far and a terrible error! Don’t even get me started on Weathers. He said soemthing about “you can’t win the division on July 3rd” on the Fay blog—yeah but you might be able to lose it with the momentum this creates!!!!!
Despite all that, Joey Votto is still better than Pujols (I don’t care what any Cardinal Kool-Aid drinkers say). I just hope he hits a few to Canada tomorrow.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not about to say that anyone in the league is better than Pujols right now
And that’s fine, but don’t let that guy beat you. It’s inexcusable.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 4, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. I said at the time (but not on here) I'd rather walk in the run than pitch to Pujols.
by Dude Rock on Jul 4, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
Dusty witnessed it back in ‘99 or whenever, when somebody (Showalter with Arizona?) intentionally walked Bonds with the bases loaded and won the game. I’m getting old…
by Red Menace on Jul 4, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a three run in the ninth and Brett Mayne on deck
Slightly different than the eighth with Ryan Ludwig on deck
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What???
Intentionally walk in a run with only ONE OUT, thus putting the tying run on second with two outs to get him in? Now THAT in inexcusable and no manager is baseball would do that. If it’s two out, maybe you think about walking him, but not ONE!
by Mr. Redlegs on Jul 4, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's irrational to deny Pujols' quality
but I don’t care. I’m tired and devastated. In any case you’re right, walk the jerk next time. BB or HBP no Grand Slam tomorrow Dusty/!! I do honestly think that Votto will finish with a higher average, he can’t touch thse number of homeruns, but I will grumble and call him a cheater. If Bailey is cheating becauae he struck out Pujols, then Pujols must be cheating to get that many HRs.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was sitting up behind first base and i thought it was a tough play
and didn’t think he would make it, when it took that hop. I would have given him a hit. He was coming in, the ball wasn’t hit real hard, and he was gonna to make a tough throw.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weathers kept it in perspective in the postgame........
While I hate losing that way. Gotta remember we nearly swept the Cards earlier in the season. They were on the losing end of games like this. It happens to every team. Sure feels like a kick in the gut while it’s happening though.
by Dude Rock on Jul 4, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True, but I wish Weathers wouldbreak down crying or something begging forgiveness from the fans
Then I would feel more guilty and less enraged which, I think, is preferable in this case
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's game
was the last 10 years of being a Reds fan, in a nutshell….when Pujols hit that foul ball and Votto came within 2 feet of catching it before going foul, I said out loud that he would hit a home run next. It just seems that we can’t catch a break, and it continued tonight. It’s getting old and it kills me to see my team lose like this. That being said, I will wake up tomorrow and still love the Reds and still hate the Cards!!!
That's what she said.
by adaircam4 on Jul 4, 2009 2:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Janish makes that play...you know...if he actually plays
I just wanted to add another reason to blame Dusty. Janish has played more often lately, but he can’t be too sharp given his extensive time spent locked in a secret compartment in the dugout.
I have tickets for today’s game. Hopefully, it doesn’t rain a lot. Otherwise, I see myself spending about 4 hours in the Machine Room trying to forget last night.
by Snake the Jake on Jul 4, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, now Janish is played in 4 of the last 6 games makes errors because of Dusty?!?
Look, I’m no fan of Dusty’s line-ups and all, b ut is Dusty responsible for AIG bonuses and global warming too?
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where's my pony?!?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jul 4, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jannish makees that play 99 out of 100 trys
He messed up at a very inopportune moment. It happens. I, however am not as inclined as MixFMKyle that PJ doesn’t belong on the roster. He is a hell of a good SS and left side fielder. Not much at the bat but he sure can play D. This was a game where out usually effective bullpen met up with a more usually effect Albert.
New day…new game..lets get’em today.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 4, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Janish has been great at short and defensively in general. He choked in the clutch, though, and that hurts. ’I’ll givet that to Jay Bruce. He may struggle offensively, alot, but he doesn’t choke on D. as evidenced by yesterday. I would also like to say that I’m impressed with his humility in the bunting department. A guy with nearly 20 homers doesn’t often bunt! I must admit, though, I would have preferred to see him knock that thing in the Ohio.
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poodle Poodle Poodle
there is no such thing as clutch…there is no such thing as choking in the clutch…this anti cluchiness is a RR axiom
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 4, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clutch!?
Whether or not there is one (whatever it is), Stormy would still choke in it lol
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so wrong
and you know it. You are misrepresenting the point that people make. Yes, there are clutch events. Yes, there are clutch failures and clutch successes. Only a fool would say otherwise.
The argument that you are referencing is that there is little or no clutch ability at the big league level. Players who are good are usually good at all times (over a long enough sample). Players who are average will tend to be average at all times. There is little evidence of players having the ability to “elevate their game” in clutch situations so that they consistently, over a long period, play above their level when it matters most.
Players can have seasons where they come through in the clutch an unusual number of times, and that may make them clutch in that period. But over several years, players will succeed or fail in the clutch just about the same amount as they succeed or fail in non-clutch situations. That’s the point that people make.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 4, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad there isn't a sarcasm button on this thing...
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooooh, your sarcasm got me again
I’m too tired today to catch on. Last night was just so much fun.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 4, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night is ancient history for the players
It only a drag for the rest of us.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 4, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, Mads
These young fans today…they need the perspective of us old dudes. Albert is an MVP because he doesn’t miss Weathers spinners. After all, he missed at least two Homer spinning, terriblyh hung breaking balls in the first.
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to today's (saturday) game
hopefully they will redeem themselves grumble grumble
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by xjjeep90 on Jul 4, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
after looking at the weather radar
looks like we’re going to scrap going to the game. oh well.
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by xjjeep90 on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they cancel this game
will it be a doubl header tmrw?
by Red_Poodle on Jul 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game taught me a lot
about Walt Jocketty more than anything else. It showed me that the Cards 2006 world series had little to do with his abilities as a GM. He was in St. Louis for upwards of a decade, and consistently their teams performed masterfully, regardless of injuries or roster makeup. I’m officially passing that credit on to Tony LaRussa, whoh dominated Dusty Baker in every possible way tonight.
LaRussa brought in LH to face LH, RH to face RH, even if the relievers threw one pitch. He didn’t leave Herrera in to face 2 RH bats (and give up hits) when there were 3 RH relievers left in the pen. LaRussa walked Joey Votto in the 9th to bring the winning run to the plate rather than pitch to him twice and let him pick up 5 (FIVE!!) RBIs in the last 2 innings. Dusty got smoked, plain and simple.
There are consistently rumors of LaRussa leaving St. Louis. Can we can dustbag and get him to manage, please? His decision making is normal, rational, and calculated…wouldn’t that be nice, for a change.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 4, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a crazy comment
Dusty brought in his lefty to face a lefty (even if he threw four pitches) and his right to face a righty. In the ninth, his plan for his middle reliever to finish a scoreless inning failed because of injury and he brought out his last reliever with a sub 2.00 ERA. It’s hardly Dusty’s fault that Herrera kept serving up meat pitches and Janish made an error. Possibly Dusty could not have foreseen the greatness of the Hoffpauer kid, but I’m sure LaRussa would, because he’s a genius
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty was and always will be a loser...
He can’t manage a club, period, last night more than proves it. I can’t even blame Weathers. This should be Dusty’s last year with the Reds in my opinion. Get a manager that can actually manage a lineup, he’s no match for LaRussa or any of the other managers in the central……….the ball club deserves better…lastly….hats off to Bailey….BRAVO…..that’s th Bailey from AAA and I hope he plays the rest of the season win or lose….
by bengals4eva on Jul 4, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, we'll ignore the World Series appearance
the 103 win season and the being five outs away from a second World Series when Mark Prior melted down. Oh, and the fact he has this miserably poor offensive team at .500
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a lot of non-regular posters in this thread
I’m glad you all have joined us to vent, but I hope you’ll stick around and hit some game threads and such. If the Reds continue to stick around, this place can be a lot of fun. At least, I think so. It’s been so long since the Reds have really been in it…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but could we move past the reflexive Dusty hatred
No, he’s not the best manager, but he’s no Ray Knight either
by timb116 on Jul 4, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty made a bad decision,
but Rhodes did the most to lose the game, in my opinion.
He’s facing some anonymous twerp making his first career ML at-bat with 2 on and PooHoles on deck. In that situation, you give the little guy the ball on a tee and make him beat you. He didn’t even give him a strike.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 4, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I for one do not want to move past Dusty's consistent strategic incompetence....he is costing this team wins.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 4, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong,
his hands are plenty dirty from this one too. But Rhodes really shit the bed on this one.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jul 4, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One bad outing is permissible
Rhodes has neen money…so has Weathers so I can’t blame Dusty for going to the well one more time….
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 5, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Weathers
I have said it before and I will say it again. They need to get rid of David Weathers. The fact that they signed him again this year is beyond me. I have watched this guy throw away games for five years now. If you remember correctly the last time we seen the Cards he was the one that gave up the lead in the ninth. Then Owings came in, hit the home run and had to pitch for four innings only to give up a homer himself.
This was a huge game. They should have just left Bailey in the game or walked in a run with Pujols. Everytime they bring in Weathers I hold my breath or turn the channel. OMG, it is like Russian Roulette. He either barely gets through the inning or leaves with a mess for someone else to clean up.
Last year Brantley made a comment about the bullpen and Weathers made a smart ass comment back to Brantley about it…
Well I have news for Mr Weathers. Maybe you should listen to Brantley. He was ten times the pitcher you are in his decline than you were at your best.
Unload this guy somewhere or pay someone to take him so we don’t lose ten more games against teams in the second half of the season…
by redfan001 on Jul 5, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in his time with the Reds he has an ERA+ of 114
remember in 2006 and 2007 when he was the only quality guy down there? When he was closing games, and doing a decent enough job of it, simply because the Reds didn’t have any better options. Weathers is not the problem. Any guy in Weather’s position will blow some games. He isn’t Rivera or Hoffman but he is a quality pitcher who gives the Reds some very good innings.
I was worried when Weathers accepted arbitration, but now I am happy he is in the bullpen again.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 5, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense redfan001...but
Weathers is pretty damn good. Yep he’s a trip sometimes but then so is Coco.
More than anything Dave Weathers is a leader. Welsh has said it more often than not…Clownboy was an incredible pitcher for a while, I take nothing away from his record. However Brantley really should shut fuck up more often than not. He’s the most annoying ’predictor’announcer I’ve heard in a long long time. I could care less what he thinks a pitcher should throw or not…just tell me whats happening in the game..Jeffy.
AS a leader Weathers is of course not going to take a negative comment from the team’s radio color guy without standing up for his guys. He and Arthur Rhodes have stepped in and done a great job while Lincoln, Burton and Bray have either been hurt or just plain sucked.I believe that those two guys have set the tone for the pen and are very much the reason that the pen has been so successful this season so far.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 5, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know i like steve stone and he is a predictor announcer
but he seems moderately intelligent.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 6, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also like The Crappy ol' Leftover...he will on occasion make incisive and salient predictor comments that makes the game more interesting.
Jeff, like fHong, has no sense of when to shut up. It is similar to sitting in living room watching the game with your blowhard uncle who played college ball.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 6, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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