Reds Acquire Wladimir Balentien from the Mariners for Robert Manuel
by Slyde on Jul 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT
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PrintThe Reds have made a deal with the Seattle Mariners, acquiring outfielder Wladimir Balentien for RHP Robert Manuel.
Here are Balentien's numbers for 2009:
Not that impressive, eh? His overall minor league numbers are much better, so there is hope. In just over 2400 career minor leauge PAs, he's hit .273/.345/.526, hitting over 20 home runs at three straight levels.
Honestly, I like this deal. Balentien was at one time considered untouchable. The fact that the Reds managed to get him for Manuel, who is good but not outstanding, is a good sign. Balentien just turned 25 and has the potential to provide the Reds with some right-handed pop that they need.
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Paul O'Neill for Wladimir Balentien sounds about fair
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
His wikipedia page is kind of concerning
“On July 25, 2009, Balentien was designated for assignment by the Mariners after struggling to make consistent contact. He hit .213 with 4 home runs and 13 RBIs in 155 at bats to that point in the season.”
Mariners clearly trying to rid themselves of unusual names.
First Yuniesky, then Wladimir.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
Don't forget...
Chris Jakubauskas.
by coocooforcocoapuffs on Jul 29, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 29, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My parents got a dog with two different colored eyes and named it Bowie
Who knew my parents were hip?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
why are you trying to bait people into getting ban'd?
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Jul 29, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like it
I don’t think Manuel has MLB stuff. His fastball was just mid-upper 80’s. Good move.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
I don't hate it either
It gives us another OF on the 40 man too, and maybe GABP will be beneficial to him. Plus he’ll have all kinds of teammates that are hitting in the .220s right there with him!
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he was like the rosales of the pitching staff
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think she was ashamed to be with Pete, what with those old woman
glasses and awful hat.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't pronounce either one of those
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
I assume it's
“Vlad-a-mere Bal-en-teen” that’s how i’m gonna say it anyway
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
no its nnot
its WLAD a mere Bal en teen
Fuck the haters!
by bigdickwillie on Aug 1, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but those Curacaoans fatten up once they hit 30.
Look at Andruw Jones.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
Not really
Balentien is a former prospect who failed with the Mariners and Manuel is a non-prospect.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i didn't mean to say either one team lost, it's just so small compared to the grandeur of the deadline.
i like it though. low risk, potential for high reward
eh.
If by “high reward” you mean Wlad might actually contribute at the big league level. And if by “contribute” I mean “get more ABs than Bob would have IPs.”
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Will the announcement of this deal also include the number to call for playoff tickets?
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 29, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'll be more inpressed when they trade for Igor Ivanovic
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
guy was a top prospect last year
He could be the next Brandon Phillips, BP was a former DFA Top Prospect when we got him.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
^ Wladimir apologist
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
this time next year
Slyde will no longer be a Reds fan, if he is a man of his word.
Colin Auscapee: RR Emeritus Par Excellence, OB-GYN Esquire III
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
All I've committed to is not following them in the detail that I do now
I doubt I’ll drop them all together.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
well, I am salty
I really wasn’t trying to make any comments that were not “twss”.
And here now, I have made two.
Colin Auscapee: RR Emeritus Par Excellence, OB-GYN Esquire III
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Cube says he has a low contact rate but a TON of power.
IMO bench bat. Matt Stairs type… potentially high ceiling? No idea.
Did you know that Matt Stairs is the 174th greatest home run hitter of all time?
He’s almost as good as Tim Wallach.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can deal with it
Manuel seemed like, at best, a mid-level bullpen kinda guy. Hopefully Balentien can do something
"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford
No shit Pete
did anyone spell check Wladimir Balentien /
did we also get a bag of bats and balls and a free toaster…
Prospects are just that …hope they can keep him away from Jacoby.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I prefer when he's selling tacos (this commercial is the sole reason why I want to go the Blue Rocks game)
And seriously, Ohio needs a Taco Johns
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There used to be a Taco John's in Athens.
I think I ate my first munchies there.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate Taco Bell ... Taco John's is just better.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Never tried it
But a good buddy of mine from college is the Taco John guy in the commercials. I live no where near one, so I’ve never seen the commercials except on the website.
by Brian B on Jul 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Taco Johns is still there
doing battle with a plethora of burrito options including the buggy, chipplote, taco bell and big mammas. How much drunk food does one town need? I for one don’t believe in an answer to that question.
Taco Johns should deliver
It’s too far of a walk from Court St
by Snake the Jake on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sickels from his 2008 Prospect book
Last year I called Balentien a Curacao version of Rob Deer: tons of strikeouts, some walks, a low batting average. Moving up to Triple-A in ‘07, he made a concerted effort to improve his plate discipline. Although his walk rate actually dropped, he cut his strikeouts by 30%, and as a result he added some 60 points of batting average. If the strikeouts remained steady, I’d write the batting average increase off as a fluke/good luck/Pacific Coast League effect, but having seen him play in person, it sure looked like genuine improvement. He was no longer trying to pull everything, and was more willing to go with the pitch. He didn’t look at all like the same player I saw swinging from the heels in Double-A. Balentien has always had a strong throwing arm, and he’s polished his outfield defense. His running speed is average, but he gets good jumps, reads pitchers well, and should be able to contribute some steals at the major league level. Given his erratic track record, this is a tough grade. If he sticks with the all-field approach and doesn’t try to pull everything, I think he can hit .270-.280 in the majors, with plenty of power and a good on-base percentage. If he goes back to his free-swinging ways, his career will be more Deerish. I am going to give him a Grade B+, because I think his progress was real. But there is risk here. He’s capable of being Rookie of the Year. He’s also capable of hitting .178 and getting stuck in Triple-A for a while.
I like this kind of acquisition for a marginal minor league reliever.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Isn't this more of a 2011 or 2012 move though?
Not that I’m complaining. It’s a good trade, but 2010 is put up or shut up for the Reds…
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
I'm viewing it more as a
We need an outfielder right now with a little bit of pop move…
It could help out more in the future but as long as he fill in for a while now, I’m cool with it.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely a long term decision
but not anymore than than bringing up Stubbs or Heisey would be. If you are going to go young, have some volume so that you are more likely to have something flush out.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I honestly like this
at least something is being done. And it seems like a very low-risk for a potentially high reward kind of move.
"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford
Yeah at least we made a move of some sorts
I really do think this could help us out too… he isn’t going to be a world beater, but neither was Manuel.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Im always in favor of buying low on a busted prospect
Balentinen has far more potential to be of help to a good Reds team than Manuel. At worst, I think he can be a decent RH power bat off the bench.
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
If he doesn't get robbed on the way to the stadium
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
Nope, Rob Butcher says he'll join the team tomorrow or Friday.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense
I would assume he is just now leaving Seattle
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes with the Reds.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
he’s out of options.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He was very recently
I don’t remember if they sent him back down or not though
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he was just called up
when Owings went on DL.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Yep.
Balentien will probably take his spot on the roster, with a starter (Lehr?) possibly taking Sutton or Rosales’ spot on Friday.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You think they'll give Lehr the call?
Or is Fisher going to be the guy? He hasn’t pitched in a while.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not in the starting lineup
7-29 Reds Lineup
Taveras CF
Hairston LF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Gomes RF
Encarnacion 3B
Gonzalez SS
Tatum C
Harang P (via @CincinnatiReds)
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Wow
Gonzo got moved down for once… it only took half the season…
Really wish they would do something for Hanigan though.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like pop up showers all evening
But nothing too severe
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
jokes on me
i got tickets. I was at what was supposed to be Johnny Cueto’s season debut, that sucker got banged.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
TWSS
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2008, Wladimir was highly regard
Baseball America had him listed as the Mariners’ No. 5 prospect.
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
regarded that is
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jul 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This is coming from ESPN
“It’s a little surprising that the Mariners would just give up on Balentien, but he had fallen out of favor some time ago and was out of options, thus the DFA. The team will try to trade him in the next 10 days. He would be better off with a new organization.”
It sounds to me that atleast a few people think this guy could still be really good and if he isnt we gave up an ok right handed middle reliver to get him not a very hard position to come by
Even if he busts
We didn’t lose much. I’m good with him being a candidate for BP syndrome.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
great band name
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Definitely
It’s a low-risk, high-reward move. The kind I’m just fine with the organization making.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it shows that Walt might actually have some sort of plan
I’m liking this deal more and more
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not that confident in Walt's decision making
The way I see it, this is another OF to throw at the wall to see if they stick. With Balentien, Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, and Dickerson, if three of them pan out into good everyday major leaguers, we’re in good shape.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the kind of shrewd pick that marked the best of krivsky's tenure, IMO
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I was thinking the same thing
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Since he is out of options we have to keep him on teh 25-man, correct?
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
this year is a good time for that. I’d stick him in RF for the rest of the year and let him show the Reds what to do with him at the end of the year.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
i agree with that
let bruce heal all the way there is no need to rush him back i mean this team isnt going anywhere
agreed
One of his problems in Seatle was regular playing time, with Bavasi having first hand knowledge of this hopefully teh Reds will not make the same mistake.
A guy named Brandon Phillips had the same problem
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets just hope Jacoby doesn't ruin him even more
And lets hope Dusty is smart enough to give him a legimate shot
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the only thing I don't like is that the Reds have a questionable ability to help a guy fix his "plate discipline" problems
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
What does it take for Jacoby to be let go?
Honestly, our guys could really benefit from a different batting coach. I know its hard to see something that behind the scenes kind of guy does, but when your team is stinking it up as bad as we are, something has to give.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pete Rose's reinstatement
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB network and ESPN showed him at the game last night
he’s got that permanent frown thing going – I don’t know why, but they didn’t show his lady friend.
She looked like a hooker.
That’s probably why.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think she was ashamed to be with Pete, what with those old woman
glasses and goofy hat.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lousy this year
Don’t have the numbers handy but in 2008
275 plate appearances in AAA
20 2Bs 18 HRs 55 RBIs 32 walks 49 Ks
.266/.354/.584
260 plate appearances in Seattle
13 2Bs 7 HRs 24 RBIs 16 walks 79 Ks
.202/.250/.342
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
Not awful, to be honest, for a young guy.
How old is he? He just needs time to adjust to good pitching and continue to work on plate discipline.
just turned 25 at the start of July.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
can we retroactively add him to the roster
to pinch hit for tatum last night???
"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09
by RedinWrigleyville on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Done...
He struck out though, so it didn’t help any
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
dangit
"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09
by RedinWrigleyville on Jul 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be great if he started crushing it when he gets here
I’m with most of you that it’s a good deal considering that Manuel is pretty mediocre
if it was fisher or roenicke i'd be a little more wrapped up in it.
but even if that were the case i’d probably be ok with it.
Stiff nexts don't heal overnight.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Too bad Cherry isn't in at SS
Taveras CF
Hairston SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Gomes RF
Encarnacion 3B
Nix LF
Tatum C
Much better to let Nix play a few more games and try to get him in a groove
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
OK
so losing Manuel…does this mean perhaps Weathers or Rhodes are staying put??
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
It will still be a failure if we don't trade Weathers
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope not
This deal will have no effect on other deals the Reds would make.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so
what relievers are next to come up? Kip Wells…? scares me.
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 29, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
he’s here..i think cuz of Burton to the DL
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
For next year, we still have Roenicke, Burton, and Bray
Zach Stewart will probably be in the mix too.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
man, it's weird to think we still have bray
haven’t seen him all year, and he’s actually one of the longest-tenured Reds on the team
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Pedro Viola still needs to get a shot
Ramon Ramirez is probably in the mix in long relief, and if they’re really desperate, Kip Wells. They could also take a flier on Zach Stewart, but I doubt they’ll do that.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Reds
make Stewart into a reliever after what he has done this year it will be a bigger failure than anything they have done in the past couple of years. He was a stud starter at 2 levels this year and should be back in the rotation in AAA next year.
I hope he gets a Sept call-up
They switched him back to relief to control his IP
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
He’s already been pitching in the bullpen for the last month in Louisville, presumably to keep his innings down. We’ll see if they move him back to the rotation next year, but for now, it looks like he’s projecting to be a stud reliever.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not worked up in the sense that I think this makes them a good team
I’m just excited because I think it’s actually a smart deal.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I guess that's true
It does seem pretty smart, no matter how it all turns out.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean on Twitter?
I felt bad…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
yeah
that was stupid.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I posted this
There is definitely a rumor about Hanley Ramirez to the Reds going around the internet.
People started asking for a link. I felt bad for getting their hopes up.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
That's just cruel Slyde
Though I was going to ask you to post a false rumor earlier so we would have something to talk about… so there you go.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
technically, I didn't post anything that wasn't true
I was careful with my wording.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
You're a jerk.
If only because I wish I’d thought of it.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
there probably was a rumor to that effect going around, without a doubt
i even read it myself!
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
The whole "high reward" talk seems overly optimistic to me
I like the deal, but any kind of Brandon-Phillips-like productions seems like a stretch.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not BP-like production..
Just BP-syndrome – i.e. top prospects improves (illogically) upon arriving in Cincinnati.
why isn't it the hamilton syndrome?
or is that another name for crack addiction?
by Snake the Jake on Jul 29, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a Jeff Smoker joke in here too ... I just can't figure it out.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Him too ...
but no, I meant Jeff Smoker.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
WORLD SERIES!
How much longer til Dusty's gone?
by in_Votto_We_Trust on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we have control of Gomes next year?
I know he signed a minor league deal, but I read somewhere that he was arb elligible the next two years. Someone please explain
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
He might want to go DH
"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford
I've asked the Reds, Fay, and Sheldon on Twitter
If I get an answer, I’ll let you know.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Got a message back from the Reds
The Reds do control Gomes for 2010 and he is arb eligible.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Depth a RP at AAA/DL
Bray
Burton
Ramirez
Roenicke
Thompson
Stewart
Anyone else? We are DEEP with MLB talent at RP. When is the last time we could say that?
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
He wasn't doing too bad before getting sent down
and since getting back up, he’s obviously been injured or sick with something.
"Life is the curse. Sleep is the remission. Death is the cure."--Denise Mugford
Why give up on Burton so quickly?
As erratic as relief pitching is in the first place, I’d sure give a pitcher with Burton’s past success more than 36 innings to pitch himself out of the Majors.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He's been AWFUL this year, man.
Velocity down. Location bad. Almost every time he pitched, it seemed, he gave up runs. Then he bitched about being sent down due to bad performance. I don’t like him.
I haven’t given up on Bray – Dave, and Chaz – but I thought he was dealing with serious arm injuries??
Maybe he's been hurt all year?
I’m just saying that judging a reliever on one season is a good way to make a mistake on him. They don’t pitch enough innings to tell their true level of talent.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
if Burton really has had a resurgence of asthma
it could explaoin alot of his issues. Maybe if he gets that under control his strength will get back to normal. It’s worth seeing what happens aftr he’s treated for that, I think.
If he's been hurt, then I rescind my comments.
But I maintain that he’s had a shitty attitude and he’s been pitching BP this year. I don’t like him right now. I just found out I had asthma after years of not knowing and tripled my running endurance.. so it could have a big impact, and he was great last year. I’m willing to give him time because he’s youngish, has options, and we’re out of contention this year. But that’s the only reason. He doesn’t CURRENTLY, given recent form, belong on a competitive MLB roster.
i don't know
i think i’d be okay with being Dick Pole, my last name isn’t that much better, and plus I’d get to live the big league life style.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But definitely not "Sucka"
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
or BJ or North….get it NORTH POLE
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or insert the word Huge
at the beginning of my name when signing autographs.
by fourrunhomer on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever
Last year Burton and Bray were our studs.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So, is this deal
a precusor for a bigger deal or just or just pre-curser for no other deals getting done?
I'd go with the latter
Unless someone steps up, I don’t see any other moves being made
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
You mean that Arroyo/Stubbs/Heisey/Bailey for Halladay deal that I heard about isn’t gonna happen? Dang.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
how about
Stubbs/Bruce/Bailey/Alsono/Frazier/Veirka/Roinekie/Votto/Dickerson For Halladay?
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't trade Verka, he's somewhere in Europe or Latin America or something.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
as close as they were to take Dunn last year.
remember how much Ricciardi loved him?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
/Brees'd
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This trade really excites me. NOT
by Why did the chicken cross the road? on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
This suit is black.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
racist
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
racist
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that we got this guy, I hear the Reds have put all their other OFers on the trading block.
The phone is ringing off the hook, from what I hear.
by Why did the chicken cross the road? on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
You know what? I actually like this deal.
I was getting tired of the “trade / sign a guy with potential that was another team’s castoff” but Manual was nothing special.
Here’s to more finger-crossing hope.
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
2010 Cincinnati Reds baseball
Full of Finger-Crossing Hope!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
note
The Eagles’ Jim Johnson died. Sad story, although it’s 82 points for me.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
so it has a happy ending?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
racist
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 29, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit King'd
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So does Wlad get added to active roster right away?
We already have 4 OFs getting regular time in AAA right?
Also, he hits righties a bit better over his career, to the tune of a 867 OPS (812 vs. LHP). I’m hoping this means he platoons with NIx in RF and Rosales gets sent down.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions
he has no options
has to be on the 25-man roster
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
and Manuel was on the 25-man roster
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
He was? I thought he was sent down for Burton
and then when Burton went on the DL Roenicke came up
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And then Owings went on the DL
and the cycle repeated itself.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Ok. It's all too much
So I guess the question is: when Lehr – or whoever – comes up, who goes down?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and will there be pictures?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I should've read the rest of the thread
It’s getting bloated. Set-up?
I hope it’s not Sutton – we haven’t established he completely suck yet,
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 29, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Balverine?
From Fable?
I have robot insurance.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds more like a bad Bavarian Ale
Hey Barkeep – Another Balentien for my friend Joel and hit of WindowPane for moi
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I don't drink Ale
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
What about Ginger ale
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 29, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We can use him to spy on the other teams
But beware, for the disembodied spirit of Marge Schott may use him to take control over Walt Jocketty.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
Well, we all know the Reds needed to pull some "W"s out of nowhere
but in all seriousness, I’m excited, but kind of upset that I’ll now never know why Manuel’s middle name was Mehmet.
If I had known you were curious
I could have tried to ask him at the games at citi field. You can actually go behind the visitor’s bullpen.
eh, it was just a meme here over spring training
I think everyone here thought he was hispanic, but then just confused. I think the true meaning of the name has been lost for centuries.
His parents were big Lebowski fans
or was that a marmot?
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
8 year olds, dude
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude- his name is Wladimir...
All that matters.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
we got a former untouchable for a good player
that is about what I expect from the Reds. Come on Walt make some noise. Win the fans back
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I wouldn't call Manuel a good player by any means
He’s a marginal bullpen arm, which we have a surplus of.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it
This exactly what the reds should be doing. Bottom-feed off the exhaust from other deals, until Halladay is dealt and the flood gates open for Arroyo and Harang to be packaged.
I had great optimism when we got Manuel, despite the criticism from others, and I still think he’ll be a quality pitcher in the majors. I’ll go ahead and project him for long relief, if there is such a thing anymore.
But when Balentien was designated a few days ago, I thought he’d be one of those guys that other teams would swoop in and grab. I’m quite impressed that Walt caught this one. Balentien’s ceiling is still unknown.
by Brian B on Jul 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i really like this deal
Manuel seemed like a pretty good but utterly replaceable bullpen arm and Balentien certainly still has some potential. if you can ever trade middle relievers for everyday players you do it. every time. good work Walt.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 29, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions
Manuel Dig It
We traded a pitcher tied for the major league career ERA record. That’s just ducky. At least we got Wily Mo back without having to return Arroyo
But seriously, here are the last few relievers we traded away (of course some others have been released or moved on in the free agency market):
Brad Salmon (almost done)
Ryan Wagner (done)
Calvin Medlock (AAA for 3rd year)
Brian Shackelford (done)
Abe Woody (7+ era in AAA)
Jon Coutlangus (done, what happened to him?)
Jim Brower (Japan)
Marcos Mateo (unimpressive at AA, 25yrsold)
Julio Manon (35 in AA)
David Shafer (unimpressive at AAA, 26)
Russ Haltiwanger (done)
About half of these guys appeared to have some good worth (like good mlb numbers or really good milb numbers) when they were traded and didn’t pan out. The problem is that our return value has been as bad in most cases. Dan Perales, Kirk Saarloos, Buck Coats, Jerry Gil, etc.. History is working against us in that regard but also says that we won’t likely miss Manuel in 2 years.
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