I would hate to play Walt in poker
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT
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What the hell is he going to do? Buy, Sell, or play 3 infielders in the outfield. I am convinced no one has a damn clue for one reason. Castellini. He is so sick of losing so much that he might add Rolen or Pierre just to have a shot at .500. One thing is absolutely for sure, Walt is pretty good at not tipping his hand. We are the only team this far back in the standings there is even a question whether we are buyers or sellers. I think that is impressive, although I would be alot more impressed if we had a winning team on the field.
Facts are facts, this is not our year. If you would have told the RR crew that Volquez, Bruce, Encarnacion, Votto, Gonzalez, Owings, and Dickerson would spend time on the DL...and EV, JB, EE, and JV would be gone for over a month.....we would have said come on Bryce Harper the next Cincinnati Red! That being said, the interesting thing about Bob's crazy and Walt's poker face is that this does give him room for negotiation with all party's (buyers and sellers).
I can see a situation in which the Reds get Pierre and Rolen(both with cash), and still be in great financial shape for 2010. Its all about how much money is exchanged and if it turns out to be a cheap add for the future. It really comes down to alot of tough decisions. Trading Cordero, Trading Arroyo(maybe with $), Trading Harang (maybe with $) and of course the prospects. Personally I think prospects are currently overrated, but that's my opinion.
One thing I am absolutely certain about.... Walt is a good poker player, and he is the type of person I want as GM. The type of talent he acquires, and means of which he obtains it will always be debatable (saber vs. traditional, etc.)....but I want this kind of negotiator running the show. (example everyone knew Krivsky wanted to trade Dunn and Griffey every fucking year, but he gt shit offers because he didn't play his hand correctly)
Thoughts on our current situation as sure fire losers:
1. Thank you Joey Votto for showing some god damn heart and getting kicked out tonight. As a former coach of high school sports, I think it is absolutely essential to know when as a coach you need to motivate the team and get yourself kicked the fuck out of the game. A confident good coach knows that he hired good/loyal assistants that will make calls 90% the as same as yours, so when the ump/ref makes a shitty/borderline/game changing call its time to man up have a little fun. I think its a little ridiculous that Dusty is such a fucking hippie when is comes to arguing calls, AND ITS THE COACHES FUCKING JOB TO MAKE SURE HE GETS KICKED OUT BEFORE THE PLAYER! JOEY VOTTO WINS GAMES NOT DUSTY FUCKING BAKER!
2. There is no way we are making the playoffs. Therefore every deal must make us better for next year. And yes I like Scott Rolen for 2010.
3. Walt is alot smarter than we all think for not getting Stubbs on the 25-man until rosters expand. This keeps another option year, which makes him more tradable(especially if you have concerns), and lets him develop more. And besides what's another month, we are still going to lose.
4. This is the worst Reds offense I have ever seen in my lifetime.
Peace out I am going to bed, later.
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How old are you?
This is not nearly as bad as some of the teams I’ve seen the Reds put on the field.
The late ’50s blew chinks as did the early ’80s
Bob Boone Makes Dusty Baker look like a genius…you prolly don’t remember players like Don Blasingame or Eddie kasko or Chico Ruiz..let alone the naleless wonders that have passed through the Red’s clubhouse doors in most of the ’80s and 90s.
Right now we got a bit of offense with Votto, BP and Gomes…EdE has the fear of Rolen in him so he’s starting to hit. Hanigan can fucking hit. Wily’s picking up some hits, it is looking like an offensive contagion is about to spread through this team…Nix will get in on it and maybe even Agon (although I hope he gets his butt traded)…
Anyway I’d love toplay poker with Walt. He’s old and in the way now..hell he’s older than I am…Bob Castellini is in over his head – but don’t count that nasty fucker out…he got the city to buy his land for the stadium, got the city to build his stadium and has a lot of his money on the line…Bob just fuckin’ hates to lose…He has played the game according to the accepted ‘way to win at pro-baseball’….he’ll start jumping the traces pretty soon..in fact he may be behind the not bringing up anybody except Sutton and Manuel..becuase he is not a dumbass..he can’t help but see the stats…he’s businessman and businessmen exist or die wiith the correct use of statistical information regarding their companies…
This game ain’t over…I have more faith in Bob than I do Walt.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
30
The offense is horrible, and I would bet is it arguably the worst. I think we are just a little more optimistic about their production because they are young.
Dusty’s not that bad, (besides the sub 0.300 OBP hitting 1 & 2) but I just think he’s too much of a pacifist sometimes.
I would actually love to play him in poker, I just think I would lose…..And I would bet most other people would also.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 28, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Dusty is exactly the kind of person you want to play in poker.
He never shuts up telling you about all of his wonderful life experiences and how you can never expect the unexpected. All the while he’s.. well, no. Wait. That’s it. That’s all he does.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
More true words have never been spoken
Bob Boone Makes Dusty Baker look like a genius
Bob Bafoone has to be the worst manager I have ever seen. Jerry Narron even lookes like Einstein compared to him.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
Mads, this is the greatest typo I have ever seen
The late ’50s blew chinks as did the early ’80s
Thank you for that.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Old and in the way, that’s what I heard them say
They used to heed the words he said, but that was yesterday
Gold will turn to gray and youth will fade away
They’ll never care about you, call you old and in the way
To be fair
You’re the one calling yourself old.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
sympathize with your points but
Rolen is a marginal upgrade over Ed E at 3rd. Take that money and invest and greater positions of need (LF, SS)
"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09
by RedinWrigleyville on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
yes
the problem with the Rolen deal is that there is no way the Blue Jays do it without the Reds taking on more salary. And it seems silly to spend money on 3B when there are much bigger needs around the diamond. Now if they clear out Arroyo’s salary, then maybe it will make a little more sense.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
But whom?
What SS is out there who makes a salary in the range of Rolen? There are only a handful of SS’s worthy of spending money on, and they are generally untouchable to their current GM’s. MLB is currently full of underwhelming, overpaid veterans or young, pre-arb studs who won’t get traded.
LF, on the other hand, is where we should put some $$, but which FA fits our need? Not really anyone, except maybe Jonny Gomes….
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Felipe Lopez
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
He switch hits. He has some power. He plays shortstop AND left field.
And he’s cheap.
"Okay, it's a bag of flour but... why does a bag of flour have 'XXX' on it?'
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't wear his socks high enough
and he’s just trade fodder for relief pitching. The Reds have established this already.
by Brian B on Jul 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you can pick up a good shorstop for $6M a year
which is the difference between Rolen and EdE.
If the market is much like it was last season, I think you might get the top free agent shortstops (Scutaro and Tejada?) for that much. I think the Reds could even go heavy on defense at SS for relatively cheap and take a shot at John McDonald, or maybe Jack Wilson, though something about Wilson makes me think that he thinks he is worth more than the average shortstop. If it’s an all defense shortstop though, they can’t overspend on him because they will definitely need to get a big bat somewhere else in the lineup.
as for outfield help, if they want to spend some money, there are some older options (Vlad, Abreu, Magglio, Randy Winn, Matsui), or some younger options (Holliday, Bay) or they could take a chance on someone like Xavier Nady, who has been hurt. Ultimately, though, I bet they sign Rick Ankiel to more money than he’s worth.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Rolen can still pick it, no?
I think you can hide a worse fielding SS between Rolen and Phillips in a way you can’t between EE and Phillips. So maybe that is part of the logic.
I can see the Reds getting an Auriliesque (c. 2005/6) SS if they get Rolen. I would actually be very ok with picking up Rolen (contract is only through 2010) and someone like Swisher.
The real key for the team, in my view, is how they solve the SS position. I think there are a few different ways to solve it.
Oh, and not relying on Gomes for 600 PA of 125+ OPS next year.
And getting more out of the pitching staff somehow.
by Cy Schourek on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling, though I haven't researched it, that it is easier to find a slick fielding/no bat SS
than a good hitting/no fielding shortstop. Hell, they could do it with Zach Cozart right now probably. The problem is that the shortstop needs to truly be good defensively and not just have a good reputation like Sea bass.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I think the Reds need the latter much more than the former, though
they need bats, and I think they could hide an SS who isn’t much of a fielder (if and only if they get Rolen), as long as that SS could hit 20ish homers.
The question, to me, is who.
I think shortstop is a position where you always sacrifice bat over glove
I agree that they need a bat, but I’d rather try to hide bad defense on the corners than up the middle.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I would agree with you 90% of the time
but think that this could be a time I don’t. The Reds could just trade for Hanley instead of Rolen and make this easy on both of us.
oh sure, if they could get a "best bat in the lineup" to play shortstop
then I’m all for it, regardless of defense.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
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One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Are you serious...
In saying that the Reds should get Juan Pierre in the offseason?
They already have him. He’s that guy in center that threw out two guys last night.
Although I think Pierre’s defense may not be as good.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe if the money's right
For example if you did a contract swap with Arroyo and Taveras.
Arroyo – 2010 – $11 mil, 2011 $2 mil buyout
Taveras – 2010 $4 mil
$17 mil total
Juan Pierre – 2010 $10 mil, 2011 $8.5 mil
$18.5 mil total
And have the dodgers throw in some cash. I would make that deal.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why spend that kind of money to basically get the same guy you already have?
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierre is a much better player than Taveras
career OBP of 0.350
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be slightly better, but he isn't $12.5 million better
Which is the difference in salary between the two for the next two years.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
it's just money
and the dodgers could pay some of it.
(Not that I’m advocating trading for Juan Pierre)
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
just money kills a lot of deals involving the Reds
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
The same thing was said by Countrywide.
We all saw how well that went.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 28, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Taveras has a career OBP of 0.324. Wow. A whole 0.026 of difference.
So is Juan Pierre a “much better” player than Taveras? I would say that Jayson Werth is a “much better” player than Taveras. Juan Pierre is a “marginally better” player than Taveras, offensively.
With a salary difference of about $12.5 million, that means you would be paying approximately $480,000 for each point of OBP difference, and I think Taveras is the marginally better defender of the two.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not advocating for it, but I'm just saying
If they threw in enough money it could work.
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Well, then I’m just saying that if they threw in about $12.5 million, it would work.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
At 24 Stubbs hasn't shown himself MLB ready at the bat.
Until he starts hitting, just let him play at AAA
OBP is nice but OPS is more telling
I now live in a world of lettered references
AA
AARP
AAA
AAAA
BA
OBP
SLG
WTF
OPS
By the way did you folks see that one of America’s greatest coreographers/kinectic artists Merce Cunningham died today age age 90. Cunningham, Cage, Rothko. Rauschenberg, Sgt. Bilko – these were the artistic heroes of my HS years.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
I care less about OPS for a lead-off hitter
all I care about is OBP. SRSLY.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
BOHICA
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I read Walt
He’s selling, but also wants to sell tickets. Bronson could go as could Aaron. I don’t see the Rolen deal happening without other player and money movement.
yeah, I subscribe to the idea that they are playing dumb and pretending to still want to win this year
so they can keep their price up on the trade market and convince fans to keep buying tickets.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Pete, I don't think these guys are trying too hard to sell tickets
Bob and Walt know that winning is what is going to really sell tickets.
I’m sure there’s some moderate promotional BS going on but nobody, esp. the fans are buying it.
BTW who would want to play strip poker with Walt….not I
Anyway tonights the night when the big streak begins…I for one can barely ‘barely’ wait.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
yeah
speaking of promotions… I was at the milb page and clicked on upcoming promotions and some minor league team is having a monkey rodeo where monkeys in cowboy outfits do who knows what while riding dogs. Yeeeeha!
Where is this?
BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE THERE!!!!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Friday baby – be there or be square
Check out the front page story. I wish I could link to the photo, but its a stupid flash thing. If someone knows how to, share. But Biden, monkey rodeo and Sgt. Slaughter whoever the hell he is, is a great photo.
Monkey Rodeo was my fantasy football team name for a while
I sucked.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
At Monkey Rodeo or Fantasy Football?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fabulous Mrs. m and have Monkey Ro-Day-O every other Friday night as the MadsMansion.
Some times we do it alone 
SOMETIMES WE INVITE OUR FRIENDS!!!
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Speaking of Dance
Not much commentary here at the bog about the passing of Merce Cunningham, the Babe Ruth of modern dance.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Is that the second time you've brought it up
by Dave from Louisville on Jul 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
At RR we've talked about everything from Fellini to Concrite from McMurty to Stravinsky
I might just bring it up again.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Merce Cunningham... *shudder*
torturer of my childhood.
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
After seeing what he is capable of
I’d fucking love to play Walt in poker.
You ever been to the South side of Milwaukee?
Should Baker be fired?
Let’s start a poll to see how many fans believe Baker should be fired for total incompetency, for his total lack of understanding of how to use pitchers, for not preparing his players to play the game, for making dummit comments, ……………………….
If Baker can do all of these, we might as well get the equipment manager to run the team and pay a lot less?
What about any of the co(ckro)aches that Baker appointed to his staff? Why should any of them be retained? Hitting – team averages dropped with these fungo bats; Pitching – team ERA is rising fast. Probably only one pitcher (Bronson) with double digit wins this year, the least for any team in the majors in history. Base running (1st base/3rd base) – just check how many players get picked off and got caught stealing. What do we need these coaches at the corners for? Execution – just check if the Reds are leading the majors in errors and have the least double plays. How about the high LOBs? ……….
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