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If Dickerson Goes on the DL, Who Should the Reds Bring Up?

Since Jay Bruce went on the disabled list, the Reds have been playing somewhat thin in the outfield.  Dusty Baker has been splitting time between Jonny Gomes, Laynce Nix, Chris Dickerson, and Jerry Hairston Jr. while Willy Taveras plays center field full time.  Now that Chris Dickerson is injured, and potentially going on the DL, the Reds should look at adding an outfielder to the roster. 

The problem is that there are no other outfielders on the 40-man roster.  The current crop of outfielders in Louisville consists of Drew Stubbs, Daniel Dorn, Chris Heisey, and Darnell McDonald.  Dorn hasn't shown any indication that he is ready to be called up, plus he hasn't played in 5 days (injury?).  McDonald is having a very good season (.312/.343/.550) in Louisville, but he looked dreadful in the Majors and really isn't much of a prospect.  I know he has just as good of a chance at being called up as anybody, but can anyone honestly say they'd be excited to see McDonald again?

That leaves us with Drew Stubbs and Chris Heisey.  I've noticed a fairly even split on the site between who should get the call up, so I figured it would be good to break down the discussion a little more scientifically.  Here are some arguments on either side:

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Stubbs
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Heisey
For:
  • First-round draft pick in 2006
  • Gold Glove level defense in center field. Considered by some to be the best defensive outfielder in the minors
  • Never posted an OBP below .360 in an entire season
  • 37 stolen bases this season with just 6 caught stealing
Against:
  • Slugging just .366 this season in Louisville and has never slugged over .421 in an entire season
  • Has struck out 413 times in 403 career games in the minors
  • Highest batting average in a season is .277, career average is .269
For:
  • Second highest OPS (.960) in the organization for 2009 behind only Joey Votto
  • Excellent defense at all three outfield positions
  • Numbers have improved at every level in the minors
  • Has only 230 career strikeouts compared to 158 career walks in 418 games
Against:
  • Just a 17th round pick in 2006, only recently became identified as a real prospect
  • Just over 500 plate appearances above A-ball, including only 110 in AAA
  • His 2009 are much better across the board than his previous seasons, which could be the result of a small sample

The hard part of this conversation is that these guys have different styles of play.  Stubbs is looking like he will fill the role of lead-off hitter well, while Heisey is probably more of a 2-7 hitter.  This makes it harder to compare them on the surface because when you look at the numbers (after the jump), Heisey is clearly a better hitter than Stubbs.  On the other hand, though, Stubbs might be more ready to fill his projected role immediately.  That is to say, Stubbs could possibly come up and play center field today while posting a .350+ OBP and stealing a few bases.  He's not going to hit for much power or drive in a ton of runs, but if he can get on base, that's a big step up from what we've been getting in the lead-off spot. 

You could make an argument that Heisey's bat shows more offensive potential and therefore he may need more time in Louisville to keep refining his skill.  Jay Bruce showed us this year how hard it can be in the Majors if you have flaws in your approach.  Ultimately, it looks like a decision like this is going to come down to the scouts' opinions of where each player is at. 

Or the Reds will just punt and call up Darnell McDonald.

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Drew Stubbs BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  
4 Seasons  .269 .366 .405 .770
Rook (1 season)  .252 .368 .400 .768
A (1 season)  .270 .364 .421 .785
A_adv (1 season)  .261 .366 .406 .772
AA (1 season)  .315 .400 .402 .802
AAA (2 seasons)  .273 .359 .387 .746
Chris Heisey BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  
4 Seasons  .303 .375 .462 .837
Rook (1 season)  .286 .362 .400 .762
A (1 season)  .289 .350 .436 .785
A_adv (2 seasons)  .292 .382 .438 .820
AA (2 seasons)  .340 .409 .554 .963
AAA (1 season)  .316 .352 .500 .852

Data provided by Baseball-Reference.com.

Poll
Who should the Reds call up to replace Chris Dickerson if he goes on the DL?
Chris Heisey
144 votes
Darnell McDonald
69 votes
Drew Stubbs
167 votes

380 votes | Poll has closed

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What no boobs?

I voted for McDonald. Kind of like a vote for boobs?

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by chouteau on Jul 27, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

it's important to keep in mind the wording of your question...

as much as it makes me cringe, i think Old McDonald is the guy they should call up. in all seriousness, he’s made the best of his situation at louisville and has really put together some nice numbers in a pretty short time. his .894 OPS is nothing to be ashamed of, and he’s hitting .354 with RISP.

I know he has just as good of a chance at being called up as anybody, but can anyone honestly say they’d be excited to see McDonald again?

no, i’m not excited to see McDonald. but to weigh it against having Stubbs and Hi-Z thrust into a situation they clearly aren’t ready for, i’d err on the side of caution and go with the guy who has at least some experience at the big league level. i voted for Old McDonald.

by GrooveLeg on Jul 27, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted stubbs because I'm a dreamer

but I’m with you on this. No need to throw good prospects at a losing team when they should spend more time with the bats and develop.

by thevole on Jul 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

me, too

For similar reasons.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got Stubbs

and I aint talking no genitalia.

Wear something sexy to my funeral.

by Pops Daniels on Jul 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

i voted Heisey

and im a little surprised with myself. i think it comes down to the fact that he’s hitting like a maniac so far this season and perhaps he can just keep on rollin’. Stubbs is more or less a known commodity now. he’ll play great D and OBP around .350. that’s valuable, but not exciting. Heisey could light the team on fire. at least that’s my dream. it’s all i have left.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I would like to see Heisey

Stubbs isn’t hitting for power, or an average I would like to see in AAA before coming to the MLB level. I know he is our best defensive outfielder not named Bruce he projects to be better in CF than Jay) and that has a high value, but until he brings up the power or average some, I think you have to leave him at AAA.

Problem is, I think we will get McFlurry.

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by MixFMKyle on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

O/T

but Im too lazy to build a FanPost, and honestly, I don’t have 300 words to write about it, but if Selig re-instates Rose, do you think Castellini hires him for an Eric Davis type role, or maybe even to replace Jacoby? I know it would be risky, but this team could sure use his fire right about now. Maybe the game has changed to where he wouldn’t be effective.

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by MixFMKyle on Jul 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted Stubbs

But I’m sure that Dickerson will not play for a week before they do something with him, while the outfield of Nix, Tavaras, and Hairston just sets the world on fire……

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by btcoop71 on Jul 27, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted for Stubbs,

but it really doesn’t matter. Dusty will play either Stubbs or Heisey about as frequently as he plays Janish. If McDonald gets the call, he’ll play every day.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jul 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

It makes me sad to know that this is true

However, if McFlurry plays on the big league club like he has for the Bats, then it wouldn’t be so bad. I just don’t see him coming up and tearing the world apart though.

I really think that the “coaching” staff in Cincinnati is just not able to work with young talent the way that the staff in the Ville can.

by wishfuldrifter on Jul 27, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm biased (I like C Dick)

but I don’t see how Stubbs isn’t a slightly worse hitting, slightly better fielding, and faster (parallelism error!) version of C Dick. As much as I want more havoc, gotta be Heisey right? Arguments against him are basically that he’s come out of nowhere and needs more seasoning, but fuck that. This is a dead season, let’s see what we got in the kid.

Of course, I’m stoked to see McFlurry inevitably starting tomorrow.

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by chesirecat on Jul 27, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll go with consensus

Player I really wanna see – Stubbs

Player I think makes the most sense – Heisey

Player who will almost certainly be picked – McDonald

Which means Willy T cements his spot at the top and Hairston/McFlurry probably bats second. Poor Votto.

by bengalred on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Four OF is enough...

If you quit playing Hairston at SS…I’d just call up Sutton, and let him and Janish split SS for awhile…I expect D-Mac to get the call, and although I’m not excited to see him at all, the way the seasons going, I think it may be better to leave the ‘spects on the farm so they don’t end up on the DL. I’d love to see Stubbs come up and show why it’d be just fine to release Willy T this winter, but I doubt it’ll happen. I personally wouldn’t mind seeing Wes Bankston gettin the call…I’m really not sure what the point of having guys like him, Barker, and Lehr at AAA. They’re not prospects, and they’re aging quickly. Why not call them up in times like these? Just a thought…

by Lookouts00 on Jul 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait, so the reason not to call up prospects

is that they’ll get injured in the majors?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 27, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The probability of Janish getting playing time is very low

For whatever reason he seems to be about 5th or 6th on the depth chart at SS. Sutton would probably be the same way. I think Dusty hates them enough that if Cherry were in the OF and Agon was injured, we’d just play without a SS.

by wishfuldrifter on Jul 27, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys like Barker and Lehr should be seen as last resorts

They get the call up when everyone else at the position is injured, and they don’t have any prospects to call up to fill the void. The Reds don’t have that problem right now, with Stubbs, Heisey, and Frazier able to come up and play the outfield in the big leagues. Now, if Votto gets hurt again (please no), expect to see Wes Bankston or Kevin Barker, because there’s no prospect 1B in AAA (Yonder is hurt and not ready yet anyway).

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 27, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The latest from mlbtraderumors
It doesn’t look like the Reds will acquire Scott Rolen, now that they’re nine games below .500 and in fifth place. A few weeks ago the Reds wanted to trade for Rolen, but asked the Jays to pay half of his $11MM salary next year.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 27, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

So that means we will aquire him

And the way that this front office is we’ll pay all of his salary plus some next year…

The more you pay a player the better they get right?

by wishfuldrifter on Jul 27, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

While Darnell McDuck has done a good job at LVille (and will most likely be called up) he is not the 'future'

This situation is a good chance to see how Stubbs would fare against MLB pitching. Bring him up and give him the RF job and just let him play. My guess is that he’ll play himself into oblivion a la Paul Jannish. I see Stubbs as a slightly less productive Chris Dickerson and therefore a #4 at best on a contending team. But I’d like to see him get a shot.

Now Dusty could start playing an OF of :
Gomes LF
Wily CF
Nix LF
with Cherry as the back up and if thats the case I’d bring up Darnel and let him sit on the bench as opposed to Stubbs. Hi-Z doesn’t need to be seen until Sept.

Plus it looks like we’ll need another pitcher too,

I’m in favor up blowing this thing up now, trading prospects and MLBers for FA’s or other availabe players now. Why not start the rebuilding prodcess in august instead of April 2010. I know that there are contractual and money issues to be solved but Christ on a ping pong table isn ’t that why Bob brought in big Walt – to make some great deals?

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be ecstatic to see either one (or both, for that matter)

But I think Heisey’s the guy. Bigger bat, and is better suited to take a corner outfield spot. Even though he’s cooled off some, he’s still tearing the cover off the ball. Stubbs would be great too, but I think Heisey’s better right now.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 27, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

this was my theory

Stubbs is probably seen by the front office as a CF only, and since Taveras obviously has that on lockdown, Heisey is a corner outfielder, and thus will get the call.

I would prefer to see them both come up, but, well, that’s not happening.

by Cy Schourek on Jul 27, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we call someone up for Baker????
How about GOD, is he available?

by slikrik78 on Jul 27, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Cool God has abondoned us...

Hell even gay jesus has gone to greener pastures

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 27, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who f'in picked Drew Stubbs? The guy isn't ready. And Dusty is going to play Tavares no matter what.

Bring up Heisey. Atleast he has some pop in his bat and doesn’t K that much. This is a no-brainer which proves some on here don’t have a brain.

by Dude Rock on Jul 27, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

What makes Stubbs not ready, in your opinion?

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 27, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I could have said that better......

My emotions got the best of me and I threw out words that didn’t convey what I actually meant. Here goes:

Dusty is going to play Tavares in CF no matter what from here on out unless mandated by the front office to play one of the rookies. Stubbs isn’t exactly tearing the cover off the ball right now as his nearly .300 average all season is down to .277 (at last look). He also K’s alot unlike Heisey. Stubbs is primarily a CFer. Heisey is a corner OFer.

Heisey has flown through the minor league ranks and hit well everywhere he’s been.

I know people will use Bruce as a negative example, but there are always the Votto’s too. Heisey may be that pure hitter with some power (like Joey) that this team lacks. He also has a good OBP and K’s very little. We need guys to atleast get on base.

Try Heisey. If he flops in August, the September call-ups will give them more options. I just think Heisey makes more sense at this point. If you’re not hitting .300+ in triple A, I don’t think you’re ready for the majors. Just my $.02 cents.

by Dude Rock on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You had me until the next to the last sentence

All sorts of MLB players never hit .300 in Triple A. Nonetheless, the basic assessment is correct. Dusty will play Taveras and Stubbs will sit. I keep waiting for Taveras to get hurt, but the baseball gods struck down Dickerson instead

by timb116 on Jul 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you that Heisey is probably the better choice right now

But keep in mind that even though Stubbs is only hitting .268, his OBP is .360, which is pretty good for a leadoff hitter (and much better than Taveras has been). If he can continue to get on base at that level, steal bases like he has, and play defense like we’ve heard about, he’s undoubtedly a better choice than Taveras in CF and at the top of the order. I don’t think that he plays everyday right after getting the call, but I think he can force Dusty’s hand if Willy falters again. We saw that happen with Nix and now Gomes in LF, and I think it’s possible if he comes up and impresses.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd vote both Stubbs and Heisey

w/ the direction to Baker that Stubbs plays CF and Heisey plays RF the rest of the season.

by rojosoto on Jul 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

sad thing is, I don't really care at this point

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by JJ on Jul 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Krivsky was always good for making some kind of move

A signing, a trade… it seemed like it happened at least once a week.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

July 2006 was the most fun month in the last decade to be a Reds fan

And that had nothing to do with the play on the field. 53 different players played for that team. 53.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fifty-three?! 53?!?

You played 53 guys?!?!

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by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 27, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We all want to see Stubbs or Heisey

which logically means it will be Old McDonald. Because we already have a leadoff hitter! Duh.

by Brian B on Jul 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

And the winner is Drew Sutton

and Robert Manuel

So as I surmised Dusty is going with T-Virus, Nix and Gomes
And that’s not terrible offensively.

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by Madville on Jul 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Kevin Barker?

Do we really need to bring up a outfielder? I know what your saying, where is Barker going to play? My answer is….Pinch-Hitter. We don’t need a starter and if Barker doesn’t play much it’s not like we’re stunting his growth, if he comes up he’ll be the third oldest batter @ 32 years old. Plus we could always throw Votto out in right field for a game if Dusty wants to start Barker @ first. He does have the best OPS on the Bats which is the best stat in baseball.
….and if that’s not enough…..It’s the man’s birthday today!
really yesterday but that doesn’t sound as convincing.)

by Red Bat on Jul 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you Kevin Barker?

I don’t think he’s worth making room on the 40-man roster to make it work. Dusty already has his pinch hitter in Adam Rosales.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 27, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why Red Bat Kevin Barker wasn’t promoted when Votto hit the DL. I think that would have made more sense than Hernandez.

by rojosoto on Jul 27, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, no I'm not Barker....

But I do see how my post might lead someone to that conclusion.
Barker is a home run threat off the bench, Rosales is not.
If the Reds start Nix and Gomes they have no power threat off the bench, is Owings going on the D.L.?
I’m not saying it’s the obvious choice, I’m just saying maybe put a forth option on the poll labeled other for Barker and Todd Frazier.

by Red Bat on Jul 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

I voted for Old McDonald

by Red Bat on Jul 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

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